Show me the information on Brian Deer’s website that is false and injurious to Dr. Wakefield. To back up libel claims, you’ll need to prove that what Deer has written about Wakefield is false.

And no, you can’t go with the “there’s so much false information I don’t know where to start” retort.

Find one piece of information, one set of statements that Deer has made that you can conclusively prove to be untrue. Just one.

He’s an investigative journalist.

Wakefield’s court case against Deer/Ch4 was not about libel or about slander (which – had Brian Deer’s claims be false – Wakefield could have sued on and won)... it was a gagging order that AW was seeking… to stop the Ch4 documentary from going ahead…

Presumably because it was too near the knuckle for Mr Wakefield.

“The mercury gang (think, “thugs”) didn’t criticize Shattuck, they slandered him, they libelled him, they defamed him, they smeared him”.

– Sounds like the crap Wakefield had to go through… Your buddy Mr. Deer knows a lot about that sort of activity.

The mercury gang (think, “thugs”) didn’t criticize Shattuck, they slandered him, they libelled him, they defamed him, they smeared him. They clumsily and stupidly tried to link him to some female he worked with who had been disciplined for dishonesty. I think he’d have a good case to get NAA for defamation. If you catch someone in the act of lying and expose it, that’s legal. To falsely accuse someone of bad behavior it is libel/slander/defamation. The so called NAA tried to make it look like he had created data himself in the dx substitution paper … when… get this … the data was collected by the schools and is open for all to see. How’s he going to create it, Sue?

What I want to know is, Ms. Swe who made up data regarding family members of autistics… was she working with the mercury gang? Did the data she made up made autism look more like poisoning? Why did she make up data? Was she afraid that the real data would show no connection between vaccines and autism? Maybe not, but it would be interesting if she was a member of NAA.

It’s the mercury gang members who fudge data, look at the Holmes baby hair study, look at the Hornig study. What a couple of bad jokes. Look at the entirely imaginary “sheets of testosterone” stated to be in kids’ bodies by the Geiers. The data totally doesn’t support their conclusions. Look at the way the IDEA data and Cal DDS data is totally abused to support a false picture of an epidemic.

Talk about lying with footnotes. Good grief! I’d love to see Al Franken go after David Kirby and his oh so righteously indignant truthiness.

Sad thing is that they can’t feel good about themselves just by feeling good about themselves. But then, they know that they are wrong… but just can’t admit it to themselves….

Any news on whether Wakefield is going to get a serious bollocking from the GMC for his work?

I don’t think they’re idiots (for the most part). When they accuse others of corruption, it’s a moral re-balancing exercise to give themselves peace of mind.

It’s like how the mafia call themselves “the good people”. If they hadn’t worked out an ideology along such lines, they couldn’t look in the mirror.

Here endeth the epistle…

“Regarding Shattuck…. seems the EoH crew, or some of them anyway, don’t understand ‘Please do not contact me again by e-mail, phone, or other means,’ and kept at him anyway.”

The ignorant bastards. I can’t find a good word for that crew at all. I really think that they do not care about the damage that they do… and that is just plain antisocial, nothing else. If anyone did that to them, they’d be up in arms, calling the perpetrators all manner of bastards. But it’s alright for them to harrass people into the ground, it seems. The two-faced, ignorant bastards.

“Then they pointed list members here where he had posted..
I don’t blame him for not wanting to be attacked and defamed here too.”

I can understand that. Poor man. He tries to shed light on what he found out – in a spirit of open-ness and honesty – and he gets harrassed by those idiots for it. That’s unjust in the extreme. We should start doing it to them and see how those ignorant bleeders feel.

I wonder if SueM can justify that crew’s actions here… or if she’ll distance herself from that part of the crew which does that sort of thing.

I knew there was a large ex-pat and immigrant Finnish population in the US, but I was never actually sure where… now I know, and that good :)

I didn’t know about that Suomi College… gonna have a look at that :D Sounds way cool…

Heh… sauna and snow-rolling… yeh, I done that too :D Kyllä sisua paljon tarvitaan siihen ;)

Always nice to learn more about the Finnish diaspora. The Finns at home rarely get to learn about this. I’m a Scot living here, but my daughter is Finnish (she says so herself) and I don’t really know if she’ll ever learn about her fellow Finns around the world at school.

Thank-you, David. I also think it’s time that RR take a, well … let’s say, hiatus from his current positions within the MIND Institute and ARCA. He’s cross with so many all the time, I just think he could use the break … as it were. ; ] I know this California tax-payer would be glad of it!