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	<title>Comments on: David Kirby/Arthur Allen Debate Part I</title>
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		<title>By: Autism Vox &#187; Science and Scientific Controversy, Journalists and Parents</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/01/david-kirbyarthur-allen-debate-part-i/#comment-33310</link>
		<dc:creator>Autism Vox &#187; Science and Scientific Controversy, Journalists and Parents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 04:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Back on January 13th, a debate was held between Arthur Allen, author of Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine&#8217;s Greatest Lifesaver and David Kirby, author of Evidence of Harm: Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: A Medical Controversy. The topic of the debate was whether thimerasol, a mercury-containing vaccine preservative, had caused an &#8220;epidemic of autism.&#8221; It was a debate, that is, between two journalists on a scientific question for which there is virtually no scientific evidence. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Back on January 13th, a debate was held between Arthur Allen, author of Vaccine: The Controversial Story of Medicine&#8217;s Greatest Lifesaver and David Kirby, author of Evidence of Harm: Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: A Medical Controversy. The topic of the debate was whether thimerasol, a mercury-containing vaccine preservative, had caused an &#8220;epidemic of autism.&#8221; It was a debate, that is, between two journalists on a scientific question for which there is virtually no scientific evidence. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Left Brain/Right Brain &#187; David Kirby/Arthur Allen Debate Part III</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/01/david-kirbyarthur-allen-debate-part-i/#comment-28808</link>
		<dc:creator>Left Brain/Right Brain &#187; David Kirby/Arthur Allen Debate Part III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also in this slide I want you to notice that according to this data that Kirby is using, the numbers are continuing to climb in 2001, 2002 and 2003. However, we know from a recently discovered CDC set of meeting minutes that according to a survey, in September 2001, only 5.6%1 of all vaccines contained thiomersal. By Feb 2002, only 1.9% of all vaccines contained thiomersal. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Also in this slide I want you to notice that according to this data that Kirby is using, the numbers are continuing to climb in 2001, 2002 and 2003. However, we know from a recently discovered <span class="caps">CDC</span> set of meeting minutes that according to a survey, in September 2001, only 5.6%1 of all vaccines contained thiomersal. By Feb 2002, only 1.9% of all vaccines contained thiomersal. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Parker</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/01/david-kirbyarthur-allen-debate-part-i/#comment-28494</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;If this clown Kirby had any, he might have checked the collapsing US birthrate figures.&lt;/i&gt;

Er, not that I want to be seen as an advocate for Kirby&#039;s argument, but the figures he&#039;s quoting are rates per 10,000 children, so any change in birthrate is irrelevant.

Also, I&#039;m under the impression that the US has a relatively stable replacement rate of 2.1 (vs. an E.U. rate of 1.47) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=E1_RDPTPVJ&quot;&gt;(source)&lt;/a&gt;.

Having said that, I&#039;m not suggesting that Kirby&#039;s statements (let alone any implications in his post) are correct, but merely that he didn&#039;t fall at the first gate mentioned above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;If this clown Kirby had any, he might have checked the collapsing US birthrate figures.</i></p>
<p>Er, not that I want to be seen as an advocate for Kirby&#8217;s argument, but the figures he&#8217;s quoting are rates per 10,000 children, so any change in birthrate is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m under the impression that the US has a relatively stable replacement rate of 2.1 (vs. an E.U. rate of 1.47) <a href="http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=E1_RDPTPVJ">(source)</a>.</p>
<p>Having said that, I&#8217;m not suggesting that Kirby&#8217;s statements (let alone any implications in his post) are correct, but merely that he didn&#8217;t fall at the first gate mentioned above.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Deer</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/01/david-kirbyarthur-allen-debate-part-i/#comment-28485</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Deer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Badger,

Don&#039;t worry about your incomplete knowledge.

If this clown Kirby had any, he might have checked the collapsing US birthrate figures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Badger,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about your incomplete knowledge.</p>
<p>If this clown Kirby had any, he might have checked the collapsing US birthrate figures.</p>
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		<title>By: Badger3k</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/01/david-kirbyarthur-allen-debate-part-i/#comment-28481</link>
		<dc:creator>Badger3k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully you&#039;ll get this.  Just saw that Kirby has another screed up on HuffPo (http://feeds.huffingtonpost.com/~r/huffingtonpost/raw_feed/~3/78056942/and-now-for-something-com_b_39075.html).  I made a small comment, but given my incomplete knowledge of all the arguments I am not sure I made any points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully you&#8217;ll get this.  Just saw that Kirby has another screed up on HuffPo (<a href="http://feeds.huffingtonpost.com/~r/huffingtonpost/raw_feed/~3/78056942/and-now-for-something-com_b_39075.html" rel="nofollow">http://feeds.huffingtonpost.co.....39075.html</a>).  I made a small comment, but given my incomplete knowledge of all the arguments I am not sure I made any points.</p>
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		<title>By: Blowing in the wind</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/01/david-kirbyarthur-allen-debate-part-i/#comment-28380</link>
		<dc:creator>Blowing in the wind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Autism caused by mercury blowing from the East? 
Nah, it&#039;s aluminum in the fireworks imported from the Big Buddha. An evil Chinese plot to give our children autism.
The  slogan is &quot; A sparkler in every child&#039;s hand&quot;. (sarcasm)
Unbelievable!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Autism caused by mercury blowing from the East?<br />
Nah, it&#8217;s aluminum in the fireworks imported from the Big Buddha. An evil Chinese plot to give our children autism.<br />
The  slogan is &#8221; A sparkler in every child&#8217;s hand&#8221;. (sarcasm)<br />
Unbelievable!</p>
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		<title>By: David N. Andrews MEd  (Distinction)</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/01/david-kirbyarthur-allen-debate-part-i/#comment-28353</link>
		<dc:creator>David N. Andrews MEd  (Distinction)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the NIH already is funding research to develop a prenatal test for autism, and the research has been going on for several years.&quot;

I remember this being mooted in about 1998-9, when I was still an undergraduate at Leeds... my social and health psychology tutor alerted me to this issue.

We found it somewhat scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the <span class="caps">NIH</span> already is funding research to develop a prenatal test for autism, and the research has been going on for several years.&#8221;</p>
<p>I remember this being mooted in about 1998-9, when I was still an undergraduate at Leeds&#8230; my social and health psychology tutor alerted me to this issue.</p>
<p>We found it somewhat scary.</p>
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		<title>By: TheProbe</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/01/david-kirbyarthur-allen-debate-part-i/#comment-28344</link>
		<dc:creator>TheProbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Deer&#039;s comment, about Kirby having to find a new line of work....

Kirby for the Defense!

It is a great title, would make an excellent book, and the movie could star someone like Tom Cruise, with a little couch jumping!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Deer&#8217;s comment, about Kirby having to find a new line of work&#8230;.</p>
<p>Kirby for the Defense!</p>
<p>It is a great title, would make an excellent book, and the movie could star someone like Tom Cruise, with a little couch jumping!</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Ventura</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/01/david-kirbyarthur-allen-debate-part-i/#comment-28339</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie Ventura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, the NIH already is funding research to develop a prenatal test for autism, and the research has been going on for several years.  It&#039;s not just a distant possibility, it&#039;s real life, right now.  Take a look at this article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7013251

Scroll down to the interview with Dr. Buxbaum.

(I wrote about this in my comment to the IACC and asked them to reallocate the funding to the development of educational programs and community services.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, the <span class="caps">NIH</span> already is funding research to develop a prenatal test for autism, and the research has been going on for several years.  It&#8217;s not just a distant possibility, it&#8217;s real life, right now.  Take a look at this article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7013251" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7013251</a></p>
<p>Scroll down to the interview with Dr. Buxbaum.</p>
<p>(I wrote about this in my comment to the <span class="caps">IACC</span> and asked them to reallocate the funding to the development of educational programs and community services.)</p>
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		<title>By: meany</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/01/david-kirbyarthur-allen-debate-part-i/#comment-28338</link>
		<dc:creator>meany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Kirby&#039;s next book will be, &quot;How to cause vaccine uptake to decline, for fun and proft.&quot;

Or, &quot;How I got paid for taking revenge on the CDC, and had fun mocking the parents of autistics at the same time.&quot;  No, that one&#039;s too cumbersome.  

&quot;Look at me! I&#039;m a plume!&quot; might work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Kirby&#8217;s next book will be, &#8220;How to cause vaccine uptake to decline, for fun and proft.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or, &#8220;How I got paid for taking revenge on the <span class="caps">CDC</span>, and had fun mocking the parents of autistics at the same time.&#8221;  No, that one&#8217;s too cumbersome.</p>
<p>&#8220;Look at me! I&#8217;m a plume!&#8221; might work&#8230;</p>
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