Comments on: Autism amongst the Amish http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/04/autism-amongst-the-amish/ Autism news and opinion Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:34:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: HCN http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/04/autism-amongst-the-amish/#comment-38526 HCN Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:07:32 +0000 http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=535#comment-38526 On VAERS: http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=342 On VAERS:
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]]> By: Left Brain/Right Brain » Generation Rescue II - This Time It’s Vague http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/04/autism-amongst-the-amish/#comment-36873 Left Brain/Right Brain » Generation Rescue II - This Time It’s Vague Thu, 03 May 2007 23:43:56 +0000 http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=535#comment-36873 [...] Now that there’s no science to establish a causative link between mercury and autism, plenty of epidemiology to refute it and now that the first piece of science on the Amish has shown that actually they do vaccinate and that the penny has finally dropped, even for David Kirby, regarding CDDS’ inability to support the epidemic, what is the Generation Rescue position now? Lets see shall we?: [...] [...] Now that there’s no science to establish a causative link between mercury and autism, plenty of epidemiology to refute it and now that the first piece of science on the Amish has shown that actually they do vaccinate and that the penny has finally dropped, even for David Kirby, regarding CDDS’ inability to support the epidemic, what is the Generation Rescue position now? Lets see shall we?: [...]

]]> By: Phil http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/04/autism-amongst-the-amish/#comment-36604 Phil Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:48:48 +0000 http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=535#comment-36604 Maryanna is clearly delusional. Prometheus is spot on - people are living LONGER. We have an aging population in the western world - so much so in Australia that governments are deliberately preparing for it with policies aimed squarely at the elderly. I think we are dealing with a troll to be honest. Maryanna is clearly delusional. Prometheus is spot on – people are living LONGER. We have an aging population in the western world – so much so in Australia that governments are deliberately preparing for it with policies aimed squarely at the elderly.

I think we are dealing with a troll to be honest.

]]> By: Michael J. Dochniak http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/04/autism-amongst-the-amish/#comment-36524 Michael J. Dochniak Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:54:42 +0000 http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=535#comment-36524 Prometheus, I've speculated that the "scant" incidence of ASD in Amish communities is related to reduced Hev-b protein exposure. (See http://www.autismdoc.org) Specifically, decreased natural rubber latex exposure (i.e., Hevea brasiliensis ) may affect the incidence of allergy induced autism. It's well known that the Hev-b proteins induce atopy and cross-react immune responses to exogenous and endogenous proteins - The experimental evidence is very much available [e.g., latex allergy] ;~) Prometheus,

I’ve speculated that the “scant” incidence of ASD in Amish communities is related to reduced Hev-b protein exposure. (See http://www.autismdoc.org) Specifically, decreased natural rubber latex exposure (i.e., Hevea brasiliensis ) may affect the incidence of allergy induced autism. It’s well known that the Hev-b proteins induce atopy and cross-react immune responses to exogenous and endogenous proteins – The experimental evidence is very much available [e.g., latex allergy] ;~)

]]> By: Lucas McCarty http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/04/autism-amongst-the-amish/#comment-36475 Lucas McCarty Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:40:01 +0000 http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=535#comment-36475 Atually, Satanic black lines are real; they turned my cousin Paul into an alcoholic. Of course we all say it was the alcohol that turned him into an alcoholic, but he insists it was Satan. Atually, Satanic black lines are real; they turned my cousin Paul into an alcoholic. Of course we all say it was the alcohol that turned him into an alcoholic, but he insists it was Satan.

]]> By: HN http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/04/autism-amongst-the-amish/#comment-36461 HN Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:40:44 +0000 http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=535#comment-36461 Maybe Maryanna got her information from John Scudamore, the guy who runs the "whale.to" website. A site full of ancient, outdated and simply wrong data. Oh, and warnings about the Illuminati, plus how to avoid "Satanic black lines". From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-vaccinationists/Individuals: "a large and slightly sorted collection of conspiracy theory save the whale, illuminati, weird "science" COPYVIO and stuff which is not corrected to reflect demonstrated mistakes." Maybe Maryanna got her information from John Scudamore, the guy who runs the “whale.to” website. A site full of ancient, outdated and simply wrong data.

Oh, and warnings about the Illuminati, plus how to avoid “Satanic black lines”.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.....ndividuals:
“a large and slightly sorted collection of conspiracy theory save the whale, illuminati, weird “science” COPYVIO and stuff which is not corrected to reflect demonstrated mistakes.”

]]> By: Prometheus http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/04/autism-amongst-the-amish/#comment-36459 Prometheus Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:32:41 +0000 http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=535#comment-36459 MaryAnna has apparently not read the latest data from the WHO and the CDC, which show that people in the Western world (e.g. US, UK, France, Germany...) are living <i>longer</i> now than any time in history. Well, perhaps a longer life isn't necessarily a <i>better</i> life, but you'd have to say that it directly contradicts her claim that: "We are actually reversing the concept of “old age” and turning the clock back to younger and younger deaths." By that, I assume that she meant that people are dying younger, which would mean that they aren't living as long. Seriously, if you rely on faulty data, it's no wonder that you come to the wrong conclusions. Prometheus MaryAnna has apparently not read the latest data from the WHO and the CDC, which show that people in the Western world (e.g. US, UK, France, Germany…) are living longer now than any time in history.

Well, perhaps a longer life isn’t necessarily a better life, but you’d have to say that it directly contradicts her claim that:

“We are actually reversing the concept of “old age” and turning the clock back to younger and younger deaths.”

By that, I assume that she meant that people are dying younger, which would mean that they aren’t living as long.

Seriously, if you rely on faulty data, it’s no wonder that you come to the wrong conclusions.

Prometheus

]]> By: HN http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/04/autism-amongst-the-amish/#comment-36457 HN Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:26:03 +0000 http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=535#comment-36457 Maryanna and Samuel, please tell us exactly how vaccines are more dangerous than pertussis, tetanus, diphtheria, measles, Hib and hepatitis. Remember to include actual science based evidence that has been verified. Do not include "research" that was funded by lawyers (Wakefield) or pushed by quacks trying to sell their cures (Geiers). Also, Maryanna, my brother is presently working in India. He finds that conditions there incredibly depressing (the tap water is full of crap... literally), and is anxious to leave for his next assignment. Not far from New Dehli there is now an upsurge of polio because of deliberate misinformation on the vaccine being pushed by a certain group. Everywhere else despite the bad water is mostly free from polio, which is spread through fecal material... but one area that is refusing the vaccine is getting polio: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7365/617 So which is more dangerous in Northern India: the water or the polio vaccine? Maryanna and Samuel, please tell us exactly how vaccines are more dangerous than pertussis, tetanus, diphtheria, measles, Hib and hepatitis.

Remember to include actual science based evidence that has been verified. Do not include “research” that was funded by lawyers (Wakefield) or pushed by quacks trying to sell their cures (Geiers).

Also, Maryanna, my brother is presently working in India. He finds that conditions there incredibly depressing (the tap water is full of crap… literally), and is anxious to leave for his next assignment. Not far from New Dehli there is now an upsurge of polio because of deliberate misinformation on the vaccine being pushed by a certain group. Everywhere else despite the bad water is mostly free from polio, which is spread through fecal material… but one area that is refusing the vaccine is getting polio:
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7365/617

So which is more dangerous in Northern India: the water or the polio vaccine?

]]> By: Ruth http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/04/autism-amongst-the-amish/#comment-36455 Ruth Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:47:55 +0000 http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=535#comment-36455 Maryanna- Try live in a 3rd world country, without chlorine in the water or vaccines, where life expectancy is 46 years, and you need to have 4 kids to make sure at least one survives to adulthood. Then rant about how bad we have it here, living to 78, where the death of a child is a tragedy, not just an expected part of life. Maryanna-

Try live in a 3rd world country, without chlorine in the water or vaccines, where life expectancy is 46 years, and you need to have 4 kids to make sure at least one survives to adulthood. Then rant about how bad we have it here, living to 78, where the death of a child is a tragedy, not just an expected part of life.

]]> By: daedalus2u http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/04/autism-amongst-the-amish/#comment-36454 daedalus2u Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:14:48 +0000 http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=535#comment-36454 I have been thinking about the Amish and other <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_people">Plain people</a> and wonder if ASD individuals could be considered to be "plain people", but of a non-religious sort? There are of course exceptions, but in general, ASDs don't like fancy clothes, don't like fancy stuff, don't like stuff that is outside their experience. Certainly I have a utilitarian view of technology, if it is useful, I am all for it. If it isn't, then I don't bother with it. There are lots of simple tasks that could be viewed as stimming. Spinning wool into yarn, knitting, sewing, pumping water by hand, carving objects out of wood, sawing. People who stimmed by doing tasks with modest utility would be viewed as normal, or even as role models of industry, not letting idle time slip away. If ASD individuals were allowed to stim when ever they needed to, they would be a lot happier and better adjusted. I have been thinking about the Amish and other Plain people and wonder if ASD individuals could be considered to be “plain people”, but of a non-religious sort? There are of course exceptions, but in general, ASDs don’t like fancy clothes, don’t like fancy stuff, don’t like stuff that is outside their experience. Certainly I have a utilitarian view of technology, if it is useful, I am all for it. If it isn’t, then I don’t bother with it. There are lots of simple tasks that could be viewed as stimming. Spinning wool into yarn, knitting, sewing, pumping water by hand, carving objects out of wood, sawing. People who stimmed by doing tasks with modest utility would be viewed as normal, or even as role models of industry, not letting idle time slip away. If ASD individuals were allowed to stim when ever they needed to, they would be a lot happier and better adjusted.

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