Comments on: More Evidence for the Safety of Vaccines

By: HN

HN — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:23:13 +0000

John Fryer, why don’t you ever post any references or documentation?

Where do you get your information? Why should we believe you?

By: Matt

Matt — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:46:11 +0000

John Fryer said “In the USA more than 100 000 infants have died from unexplained causes shortly after receiving mercury containing vaccines.”

Ah, the “muddy the water” technique.

Make bold statments. Some fraction of the readers will say, “I’m confused. I will take the ‘safest’ route. Since everyone else vaccinates, I can skip it, right?”

By: HN

HN — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:24:46 +0000

John Fryer said “In the USA more than 100 000 infants have died from unexplained causes shortly after receiving mercury containing vaccines.”

Do you have any real documentation for that statistic? Remember not to use the VAERS database, as that is just reports without any verification.

By: Matt

Matt — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:16:05 +0000

Oh no, the “mercury is toxic” red herring.

Let’s discuss the toxicity of mercury on an autism blog. That way, autism and mercury are assumed to be related. That way, you can make people look mean for defending a toxic material.

You don’t have the science to back up your real claim, autism and mercury are linked, so you fall back on the tried and true Kirby/mercury-mom debate trick.

You can spin your wheels all you want on different forms of mercury and toxicity, but it will never make up for a lack of scientific evidence about it’s link with autism.

By: notmercury

notmercury — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:58:55 +0000

John, at least try to get your facts straight. She was exposed to dimethylmercury which is nothing like thimerosal. It passed through her gloves which would never happen with thimerosal, ethylmercury, or even (mono)methylmercury. Doesn’t your title imply some basic training in chemistry?

Karen Wetterhahn’s blood concentration was something like 5,000 mcg/L which is not exactly 1ppm. Nor could you compare the concentration of mercury in a vaccine to the concentration in her bloodstream.

Would you like to argue that she died before she became autistic?

If thimerosal causes autism, because it is a brain destroying chemical, as you suggest, where is the evidence of brain destruction in autism? Where is the loss of muscarinic receptors that is nearly universal in cases of actual mercury poisoning?

By: John Fryer

John Fryer — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:21:30 +0000

Hi Toad
You think a brain destroying chemical is ok?
I am sure you don’t. But you don’t need to inject it. Karen Wetterhahn got some on her gloves and an almost negligible amount got through her unbroken skin and she was fine for months afterwards. But she died in about one year despite the chelation and monitoring of the mercury in her body.
The autopsy showed 1 ppm.
The mercury in vaccines is at 5 000 ppm.
In the USA more than 100 000 infants have died from unexplained causes shortly after receiving mercury containing vaccines.

By: John Fryer

John Fryer — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:11:49 +0000

Hi Joseph
I think I agree with your post:
0.0025 micrograms is not at a dangerous level.
But 25 micrograms is at a dangerous level and that is in many vaccines used on underweight babies at age 1 day and often not well.
This amount is exactly 10 000 times as much as you quote is a safe amount.
I don’t know if it makes a few children autistic but I am positive it kills some infants.
Harry Clark got his 25 micrograms at 4pm and was dead at 10 pm the same day. He was 8 weeks old and fit and well before the injection.
I don’t know how many examples like this it takes to prove a point?
There were 2 000 such deaths every year in the UK alone when they used mercury.
Mercifully the SIDS today is many times less and the mercury is too.

By: Joseph

Joseph — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:18:28 +0000

it is at more than 10 000 times the danger level

As explained to you previously, it’s not at 10,000 times “the danger level.”

I can assure you, 0.0025 micrograms of mercury is not a dangerous level.

By: Toad

Toad — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:38:34 +0000

“If you can’t see that the most deadly brain nerve destroying toxic chemical cannot be at fault…”

I can see that it cannot be at fault.

By: John Fryer

John Fryer — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:19:30 +0000

Hi Stephen,
I stopped at you: ‘Wanting to get it right.’
If you can’t see that the most deadly brain nerve destroying toxic chemical cannot be at fault when it is at more than 10 000 times the danger level then have a chat with me.
john fryer at orange dot fr
And perhaps I might learn how to spell your name correctly.
John Fryer Chemist