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	<title>Comments on: When High Does Mean Low: Autism, mHBOT, and Dan Rossignol</title>
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		<title>By: Do'C</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/10/when-high-does-mean-low-autism-mhbot-and-dan-rossignol/#comment-45174</link>
		<dc:creator>Do'C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;OXY-HEALTH CORP. CHAMBER FOR MILD HYPERBARICS SOFT BAG&lt;/strong&gt;
 
&lt;strong&gt;Event Description&lt;/strong&gt;  
Soft hyperbaric chambers are approved by the fda for the treatment of altitude decompression illness only. This is done by pressurizing with air to approximately 4 psi over ambient pressure. The use of additional oxygen is specifically prohibited by the fda, but is routinely ignored by thousands of users in the united states. In addition, the product has not been approved by the pvho code of the society of mechanical engineers. This approval is specifically required by california and many other states. The soft chambers continued to be marketed and sold by oxy-health corp. Chiropracters in many states are some of the worse offenders by using high flow oxygen to compress, i. E. As a drug.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfMAUDE/Detail.CFM?MDRFOI__ID=726092&quot;&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><span class="caps">OXY</span>-HEALTH <span class="caps">CORP</span>. CHAMBER <span class="caps">FOR MILD HYPERBARICS SOFT BAG</span></strong></p>
<p><strong>Event Description</strong><br />
Soft hyperbaric chambers are approved by the fda for the treatment of altitude decompression illness only. This is done by pressurizing with air to approximately 4 psi over ambient pressure. The use of additional oxygen is specifically prohibited by the fda, but is routinely ignored by thousands of users in the united states. In addition, the product has not been approved by the pvho code of the society of mechanical engineers. This approval is specifically required by california and many other states. The soft chambers continued to be marketed and sold by oxy-health corp. Chiropracters in many states are some of the worse offenders by using high flow oxygen to compress, i. E. As a drug.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfMAUDE/Detail.CFM?MDRFOI__ID=726092">Source</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/10/when-high-does-mean-low-autism-mhbot-and-dan-rossignol/#comment-45143</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I wish the FDA would make a comment on the way these things are being used.&lt;/i&gt;

You mean besides pointing out that this is not approved?

http://www.fda.gov/ora/about/enf_story2004_archive/ch6/default.pdf

&quot;Zack was using the chambers to treat autistic and other brain damaged children. The chambers are not approved for these conditions.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I wish the <span class="caps">FDA</span> would make a comment on the way these things are being used.</i></p>
<p>You mean besides pointing out that this is not approved?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fda.gov/ora/about/enf_story2004_archive/ch6/default.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.fda.gov/ora/about/e.....efault.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Zack was using the chambers to treat autistic and other brain damaged children. The chambers are not approved for these conditions.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/10/when-high-does-mean-low-autism-mhbot-and-dan-rossignol/#comment-45142</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

You know what&#039;s missing on the website for that company?  Mention of enriched air or pure oxygen.

You know that oxyhealth doesn&#039;t sell oxygen enrichment equipment with the chambers?  Meybe they are just being nice to the other

So, the question being &quot;who owns the liability for use of these in an oxygen rich environment&quot; comes up again.  

It would be silly of them to not have liability insurance for the chambers--as they sell them.  $5M sounds like a good amount. 

However, it would strike me that a businessman would be just about as silly to accept liability in situations arising from connecting a third party device.

&lt;b&gt;So, are you saying that if I have an accident in one of these chambers due in part or in whole to connecting an oxygen source to it, that I can expect compensation from Oxyhealth?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>You know what&#8217;s missing on the website for that company?  Mention of enriched air or pure oxygen.</p>
<p>You know that oxyhealth doesn&#8217;t sell oxygen enrichment equipment with the chambers?  Meybe they are just being nice to the other</p>
<p>So, the question being &#8220;who owns the liability for use of these in an oxygen rich environment&#8221; comes up again.</p>
<p>It would be silly of them to not have liability insurance for the chambers&#8212;as they sell them.  $5M sounds like a good amount.</p>
<p>However, it would strike me that a businessman would be just about as silly to accept liability in situations arising from connecting a third party device.</p>
<p><b>So, are you saying that if I have an accident in one of these chambers due in part or in whole to connecting an oxygen source to it, that I can expect compensation from Oxyhealth?<br />
</b></p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Clark</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/10/when-high-does-mean-low-autism-mhbot-and-dan-rossignol/#comment-45127</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oxyhealth&#039;s &quot;insurance&quot; policy would be for use of their Vitaeris 320 (and the other bags) **without** added oxygen.  Their website makes it clear that the bags are safe for use with room air... no kidding.  

I want to know what the local fire inspector thinks about the Neub&#039;s clinic.  I want to know what home owner insurers think about people putting these things in their homes and using them with oxygen concentrators.  

If they are so safe then why are the parents all talking about having to wear only cotton clothing into the bags?  Is this just an exaggerated fear to make them think that there&#039;s a high concentration of oxygen in the bag when in fact they could light a candle inside and not worry a bit because the O2 concentration is so low with the exception of three or four inches in front of the O2 outlet?

So, Rick, there&#039;s no worry if Dad&#039;s a smoker and he stand next to the bag smoking and talking to mom and junior inside the bag?  No worry at all?  

If there&#039;s a significant amount of O2 in there and the pressure is significant then the thing is dangerous, if it&#039;s not dangerous then the pressure and O2 are insignificant... I don&#039;t think Bubba Neubrander and company get to have it both ways. 


I wish the FDA would make a comment on the way these things are being used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oxyhealth&#8217;s &#8220;insurance&#8221; policy would be for use of their Vitaeris 320 (and the other bags) <b>without</b> added oxygen.  Their website makes it clear that the bags are safe for use with room air&#8230; no kidding.</p>
<p>I want to know what the local fire inspector thinks about the Neub&#8217;s clinic.  I want to know what home owner insurers think about people putting these things in their homes and using them with oxygen concentrators.</p>
<p>If they are so safe then why are the parents all talking about having to wear only cotton clothing into the bags?  Is this just an exaggerated fear to make them think that there&#8217;s a high concentration of oxygen in the bag when in fact they could light a candle inside and not worry a bit because the O2 concentration is so low with the exception of three or four inches in front of the O2 outlet?</p>
<p>So, Rick, there&#8217;s no worry if Dad&#8217;s a smoker and he stand next to the bag smoking and talking to mom and junior inside the bag?  No worry at all?</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s a significant amount of O2 in there and the pressure is significant then the thing is dangerous, if it&#8217;s not dangerous then the pressure and O2 are insignificant&#8230; I don&#8217;t think Bubba Neubrander and company get to have it both ways.</p>
<p>I wish the <span class="caps">FDA</span> would make a comment on the way these things are being used.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/10/when-high-does-mean-low-autism-mhbot-and-dan-rossignol/#comment-45121</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick--

I am sorry.  I honestly didn&#039;t see that post.

I stopped reading your posts after you made two posts after my question, and neither one addressed the question.  When you posted this direct response to my question, I figured you were dodging.

http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/forums/showpost.php?p=21678&amp;postcount=40

You did come back 22 posts later with a response.

Would it be safe to assume it took you a while to check with the manufacturor about the insurance policy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick&#8212;<br />
I am sorry.  I honestly didn&#8217;t see that post.</p>
<p>I stopped reading your posts after you made two posts after my question, and neither one addressed the question.  When you posted this direct response to my question, I figured you were dodging.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/forums/showpost.php?p=21678&#038;postcount=40" rel="nofollow">http://www.autismspeaks.org/co.....stcount=40</a></p>
<p>You did come back 22 posts later with a response.</p>
<p>Would it be safe to assume it took you a while to check with the manufacturor about the insurance policy?</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Clark</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/10/when-high-does-mean-low-autism-mhbot-and-dan-rossignol/#comment-45120</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked Neub on the AS board if he would mind if someone called the Edison, NJ, Fire Dept. safety inspector to see if they&#039;d go check out the Neubrander clinic for safety issues.  He didn&#039;t answer, or if he did, I missed his answer.  My guess is that they&#039;d prefer that the Fire Dep&#039;t stay away from their &quot;mhbot&quot; schtick.  

The bags have not been tested for use with added oxygen, and the company reassures customers that they&#039;ll never have to deal with oxygen toxicity because the zip up nylon bags **are not supposed to be used with added O2**.

Since real hbot can kindle seizures, I would like to know what they intend to do for autistic kids if they develop seizures following HBOT or play HBOT of the kind the Neub$ offer.

I keep wondering how they can in good conscience promote the use of these things (with added O2) which are medical devices  that got approval from the FDA for use **without** added O2.

Rossignol and wife have the same problem with their consciences, it would seem... and Bradstreet and Stoller, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked Neub on the AS board if he would mind if someone called the Edison, NJ, Fire Dept. safety inspector to see if they&#8217;d go check out the Neubrander clinic for safety issues.  He didn&#8217;t answer, or if he did, I missed his answer.  My guess is that they&#8217;d prefer that the Fire Dep&#8217;t stay away from their &#8220;mhbot&#8221; schtick.</p>
<p>The bags have not been tested for use with added oxygen, and the company reassures customers that they&#8217;ll never have to deal with oxygen toxicity because the zip up nylon bags <b>are not supposed to be used with added O2</b>.</p>
<p>Since real hbot can kindle seizures, I would like to know what they intend to do for autistic kids if they develop seizures following <span class="caps">HBOT</span> or play <span class="caps">HBOT</span> of the kind the Neub$ offer.</p>
<p>I keep wondering how they can in good conscience promote the use of these things (with added O2) which are medical devices  that got approval from the <span class="caps">FDA</span> for use <b>without</b> added O2.</p>
<p>Rossignol and wife have the same problem with their consciences, it would seem&#8230; and Bradstreet and Stoller, too.</p>
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		<title>By: notmercury</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/10/when-high-does-mean-low-autism-mhbot-and-dan-rossignol/#comment-45115</link>
		<dc:creator>notmercury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, speaking of truth, how&#039;s that methylcobalamin trial going, Rick? 90+% response rate, was it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, speaking of truth, how&#8217;s that methylcobalamin trial going, Rick? 90+% response rate, was it?</p>
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		<title>By: Do'C</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/10/when-high-does-mean-low-autism-mhbot-and-dan-rossignol/#comment-45110</link>
		<dc:creator>Do'C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rick,

See post #66 of that very same thread.
Any answers yet???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rick,</p>
<p>See post #66 of that very same thread.<br />
Any answers yet???</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Neubrander</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/10/when-high-does-mean-low-autism-mhbot-and-dan-rossignol/#comment-45108</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Neubrander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Matt for misrepresenting what I said. I had to check my facts before posting a reply so as not to be trashed. See post #62 in the thread.

http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/forums/showthread.php?t=1803&amp;page=7

I can always count on you guys to tell the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Matt for misrepresenting what I said. I had to check my facts before posting a reply so as not to be trashed. See post #62 in the thread.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/forums/showthread.php?t=1803&#038;page=7" rel="nofollow">http://www.autismspeaks.org/co.....038;page=7</a></p>
<p>I can always count on you guys to tell the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Do'C</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/10/when-high-does-mean-low-autism-mhbot-and-dan-rossignol/#comment-45097</link>
		<dc:creator>Do'C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So basically, for an autistic kid living in Albuquerque or Denver, an equivalent, or even better treatment, would be to take them a few days down to sea level.&quot;

Interesting point Joseph.

Let&#039;s see. 40 hours of mHBOT with O2 enriched air, cooped up in a noisy nylon bag at about $4,000

Or

Ten full days in southern California (240 hours) with 02 enriched air, trips to Disneyland, Legoland, Sea World, The San Diego Zoo, and the beach at about $4,000 ($400/day).

If I lived in Denver, and thought the tiny increase in blood oxygen would somehow be beneficial, it wouldn&#039;t be a difficult decision in my book.

Of course missed work can be a challenge. Making it a 7-day trip would still provide 168 Hours of fun in the oxygen-rich environment and leave, about $1200 to cover for the missed work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So basically, for an autistic kid living in Albuquerque or Denver, an equivalent, or even better treatment, would be to take them a few days down to sea level.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting point Joseph.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see. 40 hours of mHBOT with O2 enriched air, cooped up in a noisy nylon bag at about $4,000</p>
<p>Or</p>
<p>Ten full days in southern California (240 hours) with 02 enriched air, trips to Disneyland, Legoland, Sea World, The San Diego Zoo, and the beach at about $4,000 ($400/day).</p>
<p>If I lived in Denver, and thought the tiny increase in blood oxygen would somehow be beneficial, it wouldn&#8217;t be a difficult decision in my book.</p>
<p>Of course missed work can be a challenge. Making it a 7-day trip would still provide 168 Hours of fun in the oxygen-rich environment and leave, about $1200 to cover for the missed work.</p>
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