Comments on: Autistic Guinea Pigs

By: The Biomed Extremists « Plant Poisons and Rotten Stuff - The Blog

The Biomed Extremists « Plant Poisons and Rotten Stuff - The Blog — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:28:50 +0000

[...] a blog post today, Leitch questions the behaviour of parents and DAN! doctors who experiment on autistic children. It is worth a read. I’ve seen stories like the ones that Leitch mentions over and over again [...]

By: Deb K

Deb K — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:46:55 +0000

HEY HEY !! I GET IT! You guys have a point buttttt dont go overboard! Some people may give up!They may read this and get fearful of everyone that does DAN! If you give up you fail! If you push to hard you fail! You have to use the brain god gave you and methodically do things to help these dammaged kids. My daughter had a DTP shot that dammaged her (docs notes made this a def). Deb K

By: cure stan kurtz

cure stan kurtz — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:14:37 +0000

Hey, Deb K!!

What many of us are concerned about is someone, like Stan Kurtz who practices medicine without any training whatsoever, will contribute toward making somebody permanently calm.

By: Deb K

Deb K — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:05:55 +0000

Hey! Hey!You ALL have to calm down!! I have seen great things happen with my girl! Do not give up on GFCF!! She got potty trained at 6yrs one month after the diet!( Spelt has gluten many foods have hidden dairy and gluten!!) She learned how to use the computer shortly after the start of the diet! low sugar also helps!!My girl also had yeast in her belly seen with an endoscopy by my gastro nystatin is what we used. I use regular docs and a DAN nutritionist!! The only one who has an Autistic son!!Shes wonderfull been such a help.You have to know your foods!Dont go to crazy with everything and have blind faith!! GOOGLE everything you can!Autism speaks is great!! Bless you all keep the faith!!

By: cure stan kurtz

cure stan kurtz — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:48:18 +0000

Stan Kurtz, who owns the mb12valtrex yahoo group, is a pathological narcissist. Yeah, I’ve met him. He’s such a flaming famewh0re.

http://www.stankurtz.org/about/experts.html

By: Tom

Tom — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:08:36 +0000

The combination of cod liver oil and Vitamin A can easily reach toxic levels and cause liver damage.

The safety of valtrex has never been established in children and yet in adults it can also elevate liver enzymes. So now we have three possible sources for liver damage.

I sure hope these people are having their children monitored.

By: MJ

MJ — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:54:59 +0000

Regan said:

“How are you isolating the med effects from those traditional education-based therapies and the contribution of maturation?”

Since what you are suggesting is not even possible I am not sure what you are asking. Assuming that some of the skills would have been learned by the simple fact that they are getting older the only way possible to separate any effect (given a single child) would be to go back and time and do something differently and observe the different outcome. So, got a time machine?

As far as measuring improvements that is being done.

The aba of course measures and charts progress in the programs being run as well as other related factors (like stims during sessions).

The biomed can be measured insofar as the underlying issues that are being targeted are addressed. For example, blood tests one year ago showed both twins to be deficient in iron and zinc (and by deficient I mean the level in their blood was below the bottom cutoff range used in the test). So we have been giving then iron and zinc for the past year. We just repeated the tests about a week or two ago, so we will know whether their iron and zinc levels are coming up into the range that they should be at.

So can I separate which part of the improved eye contact comes from mastering a specific aba program vs raising the zinc level in their blood vs simply getting older? In a single child that just isn’t possible.

And to be honest, it really doesn’t matter.

By: Regan

Regan — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:27:46 +0000

MJ said,
“along with more traditional ones such as aba we have measured and documented improvements in joint attention, eye contact, communication skills, and other key areas”

Glad to hear that those areas are improving.
How are you isolating the med effects from those traditional education-based therapies and the contribution of maturation?

By: Kassiane

Kassiane — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:23:21 +0000

Gah, the formatting here is odd. Ill is not supposed to be crossed out. I am definatly queasy over all this…

By: Kassiane

Kassiane — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:14:39 +0000

Theyre going to kill a kid. And stephens Johnson is NOT FUN. AT ALL.

They are completely going to kill a kid and call it die off reaction – ill -