Comments on: MMR Still Doesn’t Cause Autism (and never did) http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism-and-never-did/ Autism news and opinion Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:48:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Kev http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism-and-never-did/#comment-46367 Kev Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:11:51 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=705#comment-46367 B. Campaigne: I'm writing this here as I've tried to send you mail and it just kept bouncing back. I've sin-binned you for a week. I've done this as you spammed my blog with the exact same post four times in a row. I simply can't be bothered deleting off-comment diatribes and random abstracts. Come back in a week. B. Campaigne:

I’m writing this here as I’ve tried to send you mail and it just kept bouncing back.

I’ve sin-binned you for a week. I’ve done this as you spammed my blog with the exact same post four times in a row. I simply can’t be bothered deleting off-comment diatribes and random abstracts. Come back in a week.

]]> By: Autism, Melatonin, and the MMR - Mutterings Of A Mindless Mommy http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism-and-never-did/#comment-46181 Autism, Melatonin, and the MMR - Mutterings Of A Mindless Mommy Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:15:01 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=705#comment-46181 [...] MMR Still Doesn’t Cause Autism (and never did) at Left Brain/Right Brain [...] [...] MMR Still Doesn’t Cause Autism (and never did) at Left Brain/Right Brain [...]

]]> By: Kev http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism-and-never-did/#comment-46156 Kev Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:41:08 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=705#comment-46156 Did you misunderstand the question Century? It was: _"Could you provide the quote from the paper that states that?"_ Not the opinion of John Stone. Not your opinion. The statement that kids were excluded because they had bowel issues. Did you misunderstand the question Century? It was:

“Could you provide the quote from the paper that states that?”

Not the opinion of John Stone. Not your opinion. The statement that kids were excluded because they had bowel issues.

]]> By: century http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism-and-never-did/#comment-46155 century Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:17:16 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=705#comment-46155 http://adc.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/adc.2007.122937v1#6943 http://adc.bmj.com/cgi/eletter.....937v1#6943

]]> By: Regan http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism-and-never-did/#comment-46144 Regan Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:05:46 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=705#comment-46144 BTW--apologies for typos. The short version is that I saw a survey of enterocolitis in the paper, a flow chart of inclusion/exclusion criteria and no explicit exclusion based on presence of enterocolitis, unless someone can point out from the text where that is. I have twice today in blogs read the statement that children with "bowel problems were excluded", which makes me wonder if that is going to be the new mantra about this study. BTW—apologies for typos.
The short version is that I saw a survey of enterocolitis in the paper, a flow chart of inclusion/exclusion criteria and no explicit exclusion based on presence of enterocolitis, unless someone can point out from the text where that is.

I have twice today in blogs read the statement that children with “bowel problems were excluded”, which makes me wonder if that is going to be the new mantra about this study.

]]> By: Regan http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism-and-never-did/#comment-46143 Regan Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:36:27 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=705#comment-46143 Baird, et. al. (2008). Measles vaccination and antibody response in autism spectrum disorders. Arch dis child doi:10.1136/adc.2007.122937 http://press.psprings.co.uk/adc/january/ac122937.pdf p. 2: flow chart of stratification of patients. (I do not see entercolitis or such symptoms as an exclusionary criterion in the study). p. 3: "...Gastrointestinal symptoms reflecting the presentation of gastrointestinal symptom constellations in general clinical paediatric practice were assessed using a 22-item questionnaire completed by the main caregiver. Current (in the last 3 months) and past symptoms were elicited. A "possible entercolitis" group was constructed from the presence of two or more of the following five current gastrointestinal symptoms--current persistent diarrhoea (defined as loose/watery stolls three ormore times a day for >14 days); current persistent vomiting (occuring at least once a day or more than 5 times in a week); current weight loss; current persistent abdominal pain (three or more episodes severe enough to interfere with activity); current blood in stool--plus past persistent diarrhoea for >14 days duration and excluding current constipation. p.5 Under Discussion "Only one child had symptoms of possible enterocolitis, and this child was in the control group" "... Gut symptoms were elicited, but the children were too old for accurate reporting of retrospective gut symptoms comfidently contamporaneous with MMR vaccination. A clinically relevant definition of enterocolitis based on persistent symptoms was therefore used for this paper..." Baird, et. al. (2008). Measles vaccination and antibody response in autism spectrum disorders. Arch dis child
doi:10.1136/adc.2007.122937
http://press.psprings.co.uk/ad.....122937.pdf

2: flow chart of stratification of patients.
(I do not see entercolitis or such symptoms as an exclusionary criterion in the study).
p. 3: “...Gastrointestinal symptoms reflecting the presentation of gastrointestinal symptom constellations in general clinical paediatric practice were assessed using a 22-item questionnaire completed by the main caregiver. Current (in the last 3 months) and past symptoms were elicited. A “possible entercolitis” group was constructed from the presence of two or more of the following five current gastrointestinal symptoms—current persistent diarrhoea (defined as loose/watery stolls three ormore times a day for >14 days); current persistent vomiting (occuring at least once a day or more than 5 times in a week); current weight loss; current persistent abdominal pain (three or more episodes severe enough to interfere with activity); current blood in stool—plus past persistent diarrhoea for >14 days duration and excluding current constipation.
p.5 Under Discussion
“Only one child had symptoms of possible enterocolitis, and this child was in the control group”
“... Gut symptoms were elicited, but the children were too old for accurate reporting of retrospective gut symptoms comfidently contamporaneous with MMR vaccination. A clinically relevant definition of enterocolitis based on persistent symptoms was therefore used for this paper…”

]]> By: Kev http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism-and-never-did/#comment-46140 Kev Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:38:47 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=705#comment-46140 Were they Century? Could you provide the quote from the paper that states that? Were they Century? Could you provide the quote from the paper that states that?

]]> By: century http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism-and-never-did/#comment-46138 century Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:20:27 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=705#comment-46138 "no evidence of any bowel disorders of any kind were found among the autistic kids" No, because the ones with bowel problems were excluded “no evidence of any bowel disorders of any kind were found among the autistic kids”

No, because the ones with bowel problems were excluded

]]> By: notmercury http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism-and-never-did/#comment-46137 notmercury Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:20:33 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=705#comment-46137 Hay pelo de caballo en mi cerveza! Hay pelo de caballo en mi cerveza!

]]> By: dosXX http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism-and-never-did/#comment-46133 dosXX Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:22:41 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=705#comment-46133 Dos Equis? Dos Equis?

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