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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/new-mercuryautism-paper-to-misrepresent/#comment-48782</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This paper is pretty confusing. I don&#039;t see any indication that they did anything with MeHg in this study. It sounds as if that&#039;s something they did in a previous study. They definitely did something with Valproic acid and Vitamin E. Did anybody else have a different reading?

The prior study is apparently

Cheh, M.A., A.K. Halladay, K.R. Reuhl,
M. Polunas, X. Ming and G.C. Wagner, 2007.
Trolox, a Vitamin E derivative, protects against persistent neurobehavioral disruption induced by neonatal methylmercury exposure. Soc. Toxicol., NC.

It would be interesting to see the findings of that one, what kind of dose they used, and so forth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This paper is pretty confusing. I don&#8217;t see any indication that they did anything with MeHg in this study. It sounds as if that&#8217;s something they did in a previous study. They definitely did something with Valproic acid and Vitamin E. Did anybody else have a different reading?</p>
<p>The prior study is apparently</p>
<p>Cheh, M.A., A.K. Halladay, K.R. Reuhl,<br />
M. Polunas, X. Ming and G.C. Wagner, 2007.<br />
Trolox, a Vitamin E derivative, protects against persistent neurobehavioral disruption induced by neonatal methylmercury exposure. Soc. Toxicol., NC.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see the findings of that one, what kind of dose they used, and so forth.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/new-mercuryautism-paper-to-misrepresent/#comment-48781</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To whom it may concern,
Most of your discussion comes from peer-reviewed journals.  If you do not know the system you should familiarize yourself with it before you speak about it.  Although it is not a perfect system it is the best that science can to date offer.  Most of what is published is not for public use, it is to spread information and ideas to other scientist, to improve the quality of research.  As for methylmercury, it is a very well documented neurotoxin that has developmental effects.  As for whether or not it is a factor in autism is yet to be determined.  My best advice would be to eat fish, since they are a very health part of our diet, but be careful to eat fish that are high in essential fatty acids and low in methylmercury content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To whom it may concern,<br />
Most of your discussion comes from peer-reviewed journals.  If you do not know the system you should familiarize yourself with it before you speak about it.  Although it is not a perfect system it is the best that science can to date offer.  Most of what is published is not for public use, it is to spread information and ideas to other scientist, to improve the quality of research.  As for methylmercury, it is a very well documented neurotoxin that has developmental effects.  As for whether or not it is a factor in autism is yet to be determined.  My best advice would be to eat fish, since they are a very health part of our diet, but be careful to eat fish that are high in essential fatty acids and low in methylmercury content.</p>
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		<title>By: HN</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/new-mercuryautism-paper-to-misrepresent/#comment-46624</link>
		<dc:creator>HN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a reminder:  Due to my age, and my children being born before several vaccines were introduced, my sample of disease injured children is much larger than your sample of 1 child with a bad experience with a vaccine.

But my multiple examples of kids being injured due to congenital rubella syndrome (next door neighbor), the Hib kids, and others... they are still anecdotes, and the plural is not data.  I like to rely on actual science.  Like this paper:
http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/160/3/302

and if you don&#039;t think disease acquired neural disabilities are much, there are the death lists of selected diseases:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&amp;deaths.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a reminder:  Due to my age, and my children being born before several vaccines were introduced, my sample of disease injured children is much larger than your sample of 1 child with a bad experience with a vaccine.</p>
<p>But my multiple examples of kids being injured due to congenital rubella syndrome (next door neighbor), the Hib kids, and others&#8230; they are still anecdotes, and the plural is not data.  I like to rely on actual science.  Like this paper:<br />
<a href="http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/160/3/302" rel="nofollow">http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/c...../160/3/302</a></p>
<p>and if you don&#8217;t think disease acquired neural disabilities are much, there are the death lists of selected diseases:<br />
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&#038;deaths.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pu.....deaths.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: HN</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/new-mercuryautism-paper-to-misrepresent/#comment-46623</link>
		<dc:creator>HN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you have a sample of 1.  Okay.  Just a reminder that the plural of anecdote is not data.

By the way, my son is not autistic.  More accurately he was not diagnosed with that label when he was 3, before the DSM was changed (a high school counselor before he graduated thought he might be diagnosed as such now).  He is presently 19 years old, and in community college with disability services.

He did have seizures due to a now vaccine preventable disease (Grand Mal, loss of consciousness, trip to hospital by ambulance, etc).  His neurological problems may actually be from an actual disease (and he was not vaccinated for pertussis because of neonatal seizures).  Since my son was further disease injured when he was barely one year old, you will have to argue very very hard to convince me that the vaccines are more dangerous than the actual diseases, or that delaying vaccines for baby killing/disabling diseases like pertussis, tetanus, Hib and others is a good thing.

Also, with all the attention to autism these days, programs that benefited my son are now being reduced to create more self-contained classes for high functioning autistic children.

Personally, I think that the other disabled kids should not be forgotten, and that disabilities from the diseases should be prevented.  I agree with these folks:
http://www.pkids.org/  

So where is the evidence that the DTaP vaccine is more dangerous than diphtheria, tetnanus and pertussis?  Where is the evidence that the Hib vaccine is more dangerous than Hib?  (my younger son was the first to get that vaccine, and I know of one mom whose first child died from that, and I know of other kids whose disabilities stemmed from actually getting the disease... so I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll acknowledge any of your goal shifting and other tactics to bend the data).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you have a sample of 1.  Okay.  Just a reminder that the plural of anecdote is not data.</p>
<p>By the way, my son is not autistic.  More accurately he was not diagnosed with that label when he was 3, before the <span class="caps">DSM</span> was changed (a high school counselor before he graduated thought he might be diagnosed as such now).  He is presently 19 years old, and in community college with disability services.</p>
<p>He did have seizures due to a now vaccine preventable disease (Grand Mal, loss of consciousness, trip to hospital by ambulance, etc).  His neurological problems may actually be from an actual disease (and he was not vaccinated for pertussis because of neonatal seizures).  Since my son was further disease injured when he was barely one year old, you will have to argue very very hard to convince me that the vaccines are more dangerous than the actual diseases, or that delaying vaccines for baby killing/disabling diseases like pertussis, tetanus, Hib and others is a good thing.</p>
<p>Also, with all the attention to autism these days, programs that benefited my son are now being reduced to create more self-contained classes for high functioning autistic children.</p>
<p>Personally, I think that the other disabled kids should not be forgotten, and that disabilities from the diseases should be prevented.  I agree with these folks:<br />
<a href="http://www.pkids.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pkids.org/</a></p>
<p>So where is the evidence that the DTaP vaccine is more dangerous than diphtheria, tetnanus and pertussis?  Where is the evidence that the Hib vaccine is more dangerous than Hib?  (my younger son was the first to get that vaccine, and I know of one mom whose first child died from that, and I know of other kids whose disabilities stemmed from actually getting the disease&#8230; so I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll acknowledge any of your goal shifting and other tactics to bend the data).</p>
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		<title>By: Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HN,

None of my children are autistic.  Consequently, I don&#039;t think vaccines caused any specific damage to my children.  I know of several children (one in my daughters&#039; former daycare) that had a severe reaction to DTaPHiB vaccine.  She required hospitalization after the shot, and subsequently had recurring seizures, but was not exhibiting the traits of Autism at the time.  Both of her parents are medical doctors.  I believe they decided against further vaccination, though I&#039;m not sure.  A colleague of mine has an Autistic son (he is a high functioning child) and I don&#039;t think it was associated with any vaccinations.

I had already decided long before these experiences to delay all of the vaccinations for our children, and skip a number of them altogether based on my lack of confidence in the safety testing -- not specific to Autism.

I fully support public funds to support special education needs for Autistic children.  I am against the Ontario government policy (the government is fighting Autism parents in court) of refusing to assist Autistic parents after their children reach the age of 6.  I think one side benefit of full funding, is that the government would have much more incentive to fund research into causes and treatments for Autism. 

Government funding for special education needs was gutted in the early 2000&#039;s.  This government has started to restore some of the services, but they have not fixed the fundamental school board funding formula problems, so special education needs children get the short end of the stick.  I highly value free public education, and fully support programs for children with special needs as it is pretty clear to me, that these have a lot of value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HN,</p>
<p>None of my children are autistic.  Consequently, I don&#8217;t think vaccines caused any specific damage to my children.  I know of several children (one in my daughters&#8217; former daycare) that had a severe reaction to DTaPHiB vaccine.  She required hospitalization after the shot, and subsequently had recurring seizures, but was not exhibiting the traits of Autism at the time.  Both of her parents are medical doctors.  I believe they decided against further vaccination, though I&#8217;m not sure.  A colleague of mine has an Autistic son (he is a high functioning child) and I don&#8217;t think it was associated with any vaccinations.</p>
<p>I had already decided long before these experiences to delay all of the vaccinations for our children, and skip a number of them altogether based on my lack of confidence in the safety testing&#8212;not specific to Autism.</p>
<p>I fully support public funds to support special education needs for Autistic children.  I am against the Ontario government policy (the government is fighting Autism parents in court) of refusing to assist Autistic parents after their children reach the age of 6.  I think one side benefit of full funding, is that the government would have much more incentive to fund research into causes and treatments for Autism.</p>
<p>Government funding for special education needs was gutted in the early 2000&#8217;s.  This government has started to restore some of the services, but they have not fixed the fundamental school board funding formula problems, so special education needs children get the short end of the stick.  I highly value free public education, and fully support programs for children with special needs as it is pretty clear to me, that these have a lot of value.</p>
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		<title>By: HN</title>
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		<dc:creator>HN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Schwartz said &quot; Funny how one of my kids has had a small number of vaccinations. Somehow that makes me anti-vaccine.&quot;

Is that your autistic child?  

Just curious.  My disabled child had seizures prior to any vaccinations. The history of  seizures prevented him from getting the pertussis vaccine.  Which happened to be at a time our county was having a pertussis epidemic, aided by the anti-vac contingent.  (though his last and more dramatic seizure was when he was a bit over a year old... it was while he was dehydrated during a nasty gastrointestinal episode, which may have been prevented with the newer rotavirus vaccine)

So which vaccine do you think turned your kid autistic?  The one with thimerosal (which has been historically lower in the Health Canada schedule), or the MMR (which has been in use in the USA since 1971, and in Canada not that long after)?

Would you not favor more funds to go towards educational supports to autistic children?  If not, why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schwartz said &#8221; Funny how one of my kids has had a small number of vaccinations. Somehow that makes me anti-vaccine.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that your autistic child?</p>
<p>Just curious.  My disabled child had seizures prior to any vaccinations. The history of  seizures prevented him from getting the pertussis vaccine.  Which happened to be at a time our county was having a pertussis epidemic, aided by the anti-vac contingent.  (though his last and more dramatic seizure was when he was a bit over a year old&#8230; it was while he was dehydrated during a nasty gastrointestinal episode, which may have been prevented with the newer rotavirus vaccine)</p>
<p>So which vaccine do you think turned your kid autistic?  The one with thimerosal (which has been historically lower in the Health Canada schedule), or the <span class="caps">MMR </span>(which has been in use in the <span class="caps">USA</span> since 1971, and in Canada not that long after)?</p>
<p>Would you not favor more funds to go towards educational supports to autistic children?  If not, why?</p>
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		<title>By: Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/new-mercuryautism-paper-to-misrepresent/#comment-46587</link>
		<dc:creator>Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kev,

I did answer the Azfal question.  I think I listed 3 plausible reasons that I can think of (obviously I&#039;m guessing):  

1) He knew his results were incorrect
2) He didn&#039;t trust Azfal to do the correct science or he didn&#039;t trust them to publish the results regardless of the outcome
3) He was advised by his lawyers given the extensive legal work going on in the UK to not hand anything over

I find any of those reasons plausible.  I am personally skeptical of any PCR results at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kev,</p>
<p>I did answer the Azfal question.  I think I listed 3 plausible reasons that I can think of (obviously I&#8217;m guessing):</p>
<p>1) He knew his results were incorrect<br />
2) He didn&#8217;t trust Azfal to do the correct science or he didn&#8217;t trust them to publish the results regardless of the outcome<br />
3) He was advised by his lawyers given the extensive legal work going on in the UK to not hand anything over</p>
<p>I find any of those reasons plausible.  I am personally skeptical of any <span class="caps">PCR</span> results at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/02/new-mercuryautism-paper-to-misrepresent/#comment-46581</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginger,

Firstly, even though you have made it clear I am not welcome at your blog you continue to post at mine? Do they teach manners in Maine?

Secondly, I never claimed other than what you are stating. I do believe that you and your comrades frequently moan about RhoGAM? Which is administered before (that means PRE) birth. Also you frequently whine on about teeth and filings.

Please don&#039;t bother replying. You have nothing of interest to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginger,</p>
<p>Firstly, even though you have made it clear I am not welcome at your blog you continue to post at mine? Do they teach manners in Maine?</p>
<p>Secondly, I never claimed other than what you are stating. I do believe that you and your comrades frequently moan about RhoGAM? Which is administered before (that means <span class="caps">PRE</span>) birth. Also you frequently whine on about teeth and filings.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t bother replying. You have nothing of interest to say.</p>
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		<title>By: No-ey</title>
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		<dc:creator>No-ey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.answers.com/neonatal&amp;r=67

Ginger, there you go making up stuff again.  Neonatal does not mean &quot;during birth.&quot;  You really have a college degree?  Hard to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.answers.com/neonatal&#038;r=67" rel="nofollow">http://www.answers.com/neonatal&#038;r=67</a></p>
<p>Ginger, there you go making up stuff again.  Neonatal does not mean &#8220;during birth.&#8221;  You really have a college degree?  Hard to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: NEO</title>
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		<dc:creator>NEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the mice were exposed to mercury &lt;b&gt;during&lt;/b&gt; birth, Ginger.

(Actually, none of the mice in this study were exposed to mercury at all.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the mice were exposed to mercury <b>during</b> birth, Ginger.</p>
<p>(Actually, none of the mice in this study were exposed to mercury at all.)</p>
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