re: Daubert, the normal ruling is that Daubert can be used to exclude people who claim to be experts from giving testimony. Hence, the Geier’s, Haley et al have regularly been excluded. As this is a Federal case, Daubert cannot apply in that manner although the Special Masters may choose to apply Daubert standards to the evidence presented.

Kev, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that is not true. I believe the 50% + a feather, was a Geier-ism that he put forth as distinguishing between testifying as a physician (50% + a feather) and an expert (95% certainty that ‘A’ caused ‘B’).

The Special Masters apply Daubert, though are under no obligation to do so, when considering expert testimony.

Dunno….

Your observations are correct. However, this child suffered severe reactions to the vaccines within 48 hours of vaccination. These reactions initiated what was a 3-6 month regression in both development (she lost all speech) and also resulted in a continuous chain of significant health issues.

The complete chain of illness deriving from a strong set of adverse events consistent with reactions to the vaccines (starting within 48 hours of vaccination) led to the ultimate health outcome.

In this case, it is a pretty clear that the vaccination triggered the chain of events leading to the adverse health outcomes.

My understanding is that Mito Disfunction results in oxidative stress. It is known that immune responses also raise oxidative stress. Strong immune responses can be evoked both by illness and vaccination. The combined oxidative stress is presumed to cause Autistic regression according to the case study.

That’s understandable. If vaccine court required ironclad proof of injury, no one would ever get compensation, which seems unfair. Timely circumstantial evidence plus a scientifically established mechanism should be enough.

This will probably be known sometime later. But here’s some of what the Kennedy Kriger Institute says:

“Other adverse effects of metabolic diseases include seizures, movement disorders, poor growth, muscle weakness, fasting intolerance, and disproportionate illness with simple childhood infections or immunizations. Some metabolic diseases become manifest in the first few days of life, whereas others require a stress, such as a fever or fasting during an illness, to become manifest.”

(Emphasis mine)

“If these children have been vaccine damaged, they should be compensated.”

No kidding. Never have I ever said anything that contradicted that statement.

Seriously, would you quit it? You keep adding your interpretations to what I say and it’s getting old.

...”You may not be able to see any reasons other than monetary ones for pursuing justice and acknowledgement of injury of this nature, but to me, they seem obvious.”

Once more. Pay attention please. I realize that there are parents who are sincere in thinking their kids were harmed by a vaccine. So far there is no evidence that even one has ever been made autistic by vaccines, though there could conceivably be some.

I keep saying that Hannah is not autistic because they (the HHS and with her attorneys’ agreement) took her out of the Onmibus which says that it is for vaccine caused autism and similar conditions. No one has told me, other than a conspiracy theory that this is the HHS way of derailing the Omnibus’ evidence for vaccine causation.

Now it’s possible that in the mountain of evidence cooked up by the mercury parents and their pet scientists, as well in the real evidence that they mixed in with it (you can hear some of it in the transcripts of the Omnibus so far) that there is nothing that applies to kids like Hannah. So having her in there wouldn’t apply. I mean, what were her gutter level lawyers going to do, prove that thimerosal caused her fever? Uhuh.

How? Do you really think her case fit in with the thimerosal causation bunch she was supposed to be a model for?

Now gimme a break and stop assigning to me motives and thoughts that I do not have. And admit that Hannah might not be autistic at all, but merely developmentally delayed and with parents who got sucked into DAN! when she was very very young.

I guess I’m not precisely clear as to how the determination was made that the vaccinations made this particular existing condition worse?

I realize this may have been summarized previously in the 932939 comments floating around on this subject, but lunch hour is short. Any insight is appreciated.

Take care!

– pD