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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/03/vaccines-autism-and-the-concession/#comment-47162</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much as I would very much like to Fiona, I simply _cannot_ discuss reasons _for_ the new comment policy.

That said, piccies like the nazi experimentation one will continue to be fair game. They represent how I felt about what I read, not about the actions of one person, named or not.

I speculate about the Poling case, as there is an awful lot that is not being discussed and an awful lot being presented in a way that is disingenuous. I don&#039;t think I&#039;m spinning anything but if you think I am, thats fine - but if you want to take me to task over it, _please_ be specific. The one person you (generally, not you specifically) can slag off without fear of recrimination is me!

This whole Poling situation reminds me of the early days of the MMR debacle when people were running around making more and more outlandish claims about what the implications were for autism, for vaccine policy etc and there was 99% noise to 1% signal.

What I would like above all else is to make sure that on _this_ site that we consider as many implications and possibilities as possible. You, Schwartz, pD and whomever else who disagree are totally free to contribute to that, speaking your mind. Please compare that to the Age of Autism blog for example where I am aware of at least six people who&#039;s comments are simply not allowed to be published.

I am not suggesting a cover up, more a fear of open discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much as I would very much like to Fiona, I simply <em>cannot</em> discuss reasons <em>for</em> the new comment policy.</p>
<p>That said, piccies like the nazi experimentation one will continue to be fair game. They represent how I felt about what I read, not about the actions of one person, named or not.</p>
<p>I speculate about the Poling case, as there is an awful lot that is not being discussed and an awful lot being presented in a way that is disingenuous. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m spinning anything but if you think I am, thats fine &#8211; but if you want to take me to task over it, <em>please</em> be specific. The one person you (generally, not you specifically) can slag off without fear of recrimination is me!</p>
<p>This whole Poling situation reminds me of the early days of the <span class="caps">MMR</span> debacle when people were running around making more and more outlandish claims about what the implications were for autism, for vaccine policy etc and there was 99% noise to 1% signal.</p>
<p>What I would like above all else is to make sure that on <em>this</em> site that we consider as many implications and possibilities as possible. You, Schwartz, pD and whomever else who disagree are totally free to contribute to that, speaking your mind. Please compare that to the Age of Autism blog for example where I am aware of at least six people who&#8217;s comments are simply not allowed to be published.</p>
<p>I am not suggesting a cover up, more a fear of open discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona Sacchetti</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/03/vaccines-autism-and-the-concession/#comment-47161</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiona Sacchetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kev, thanks for the slack.

My comment was aimed at everybody on the blog not at you personaly (apologies for any misunderstanding). You have not attacked me, nor has any other poster.

However, there are posts that contain speculation, fabrication and personal attack towards others on the blog. I could look them up but as you are possibly going to be removing some material from the blog due to the new comments rule, I&#039;m guessing that some of the comments I take issue with are going to disappear. I will be watching with interest to see if the images you posted of Nazi experimentation and the comparison you made to parent&#039;s of autistic children will be removed.

I logged on today and saw the new rules about comments (that they must be factual). Surely this, however it has come about, is testimony to the influence this blog has. My view is that those who post here should bear that in mind and be careful with how they present their personal interpretation of events. I think anyone who engages in the debate surrounding ASD has a duty to conduct themselves in an honourable, truthful and fair manner.

There are some posts on here that are downright offensive. I respect the right of others to express themselves in such a fashion, but I maintain the right to express my distaste of such actions.

Kev, you said;

&quot;You should know however, that my view on autism aetiology is dominated by what is factually evident.&quot;

Then why all the speculation about the Poling case? Somebody on here once said that David Kirby had missed his real calling; that of a spin doctor. When I read this blog, the same comes to mind for your good self Kev!

I don&#039;t have an axe to grind here, like you, I am interested in the truth. I don&#039;t agree with your interpretation of events most of the time, but I can&#039;t help but admire the skill you have in presenting that interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kev, thanks for the slack.</p>
<p>My comment was aimed at everybody on the blog not at you personaly (apologies for any misunderstanding). You have not attacked me, nor has any other poster.</p>
<p>However, there are posts that contain speculation, fabrication and personal attack towards others on the blog. I could look them up but as you are possibly going to be removing some material from the blog due to the new comments rule, I&#8217;m guessing that some of the comments I take issue with are going to disappear. I will be watching with interest to see if the images you posted of Nazi experimentation and the comparison you made to parent&#8217;s of autistic children will be removed.</p>
<p>I logged on today and saw the new rules about comments (that they must be factual). Surely this, however it has come about, is testimony to the influence this blog has. My view is that those who post here should bear that in mind and be careful with how they present their personal interpretation of events. I think anyone who engages in the debate surrounding <span class="caps">ASD</span> has a duty to conduct themselves in an honourable, truthful and fair manner.</p>
<p>There are some posts on here that are downright offensive. I respect the right of others to express themselves in such a fashion, but I maintain the right to express my distaste of such actions.</p>
<p>Kev, you said;</p>
<p>&#8220;You should know however, that my view on autism aetiology is dominated by what is factually evident.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then why all the speculation about the Poling case? Somebody on here once said that David Kirby had missed his real calling; that of a spin doctor. When I read this blog, the same comes to mind for your good self Kev!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have an axe to grind here, like you, I am interested in the truth. I don&#8217;t agree with your interpretation of events most of the time, but I can&#8217;t help but admire the skill you have in presenting that interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/03/vaccines-autism-and-the-concession/#comment-47055</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for letting me have the last word century ;)

I&#039;ll savour that last word as I ruminate on the irony of someone conjecturing that I&#039;m invalidly conjecturing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for letting me have the last word century ;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll savour that last word as I ruminate on the irony of someone conjecturing that I&#8217;m invalidly conjecturing.</p>
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		<title>By: century</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/03/vaccines-autism-and-the-concession/#comment-47054</link>
		<dc:creator>century</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;century I’m not going to to keep going over and over the same point.&quot;

Neither am I, so you can have the last word if you want.

The last 2 things i&#039;ll say on this topic are
1. your analogy is not valid
2. your last sentence is conjecture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;century I&#8217;m not going to to keep going over and over the same point.&#8221;</p>
<p>Neither am I, so you can have the last word if you want.</p>
<p>The last 2 things i&#8217;ll say on this topic are<br />
1. your analogy is not valid<br />
2. your last sentence is conjecture</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/03/vaccines-autism-and-the-concession/#comment-47053</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>????

century I&#039;m not going to to keep going over and over the same point. Whether Zimmerman is asking for permission or not is irrelevant. Unless he is given it, he is being constrained.

Using your argument, every Iraqi who never asked Saddam to step down approved of his leadership.

There is a difference between being actively disuaded or constrained, which I have no knowledge is happening one way or the other, or covertly restrained, which is definitely, indisputably happening now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>????</p>
<p>century I&#8217;m not going to to keep going over and over the same point. Whether Zimmerman is asking for permission or not is irrelevant. Unless he is given it, he is being constrained.</p>
<p>Using your argument, every Iraqi who never asked Saddam to step down approved of his leadership.</p>
<p>There is a difference between being actively disuaded or constrained, which I have no knowledge is happening one way or the other, or covertly restrained, which is definitely, indisputably happening now.</p>
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		<title>By: century</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/03/vaccines-autism-and-the-concession/#comment-47049</link>
		<dc:creator>century</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He cannot speak until the family give him permission.&quot;

Agreed -&gt;

see my previous post -&gt;

speculation -&gt;

end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He cannot speak until the family give him permission.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed -></p>
<p>see my previous post -></p>
<p>speculation -></p>
<p>end.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/03/vaccines-autism-and-the-concession/#comment-47048</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiona, you are new here so I will cut you some slack for your rudeness towards me. You should know however, that my view on autism aetiology is dominated by what is factually evident.

I will give you a chance to explain yourself however - what am I not being factual about? What stories have I made up? What personal attacks have I made towards you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiona, you are new here so I will cut you some slack for your rudeness towards me. You should know however, that my view on autism aetiology is dominated by what is factually evident.</p>
<p>I will give you a chance to explain yourself however &#8211; what am I not being factual about? What stories have I made up? What personal attacks have I made towards you?</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/03/vaccines-autism-and-the-concession/#comment-47045</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>_&quot;Exactly – IF&quot;_

But there is not if about it. He cannot speak until the family give him permission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Exactly &#8211; IF&#8221;</em></p>
<p>But there is not if about it. He cannot speak until the family give him permission.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona Sacchetti</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/03/vaccines-autism-and-the-concession/#comment-47043</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiona Sacchetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes but hey, why try to be factual or admit that we don&#039;t actually know, when it can be so much more fun to speculate, make up stories and engage in personal attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes but hey, why try to be factual or admit that we don&#8217;t actually know, when it can be so much more fun to speculate, make up stories and engage in personal attack.</p>
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		<title>By: century</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/03/vaccines-autism-and-the-concession/#comment-47006</link>
		<dc:creator>century</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Its a simple fact century. If....&quot;

Exactly - IF

Has Zimmerman asked permission?
Was permission granted?
Does he want to talk about it?
etc etc

You (we) can speculate all day long, but it still remains speculation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Its a simple fact century. If&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly &#8211; IF</p>
<p>Has Zimmerman asked permission?<br />
Was permission granted?<br />
Does he want to talk about it?<br />
etc etc</p>
<p>You (we) can speculate all day long, but it still remains speculation.</p>
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