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	<title>Comments on: Rodier on Bernard et al. and environmental causes of autism</title>
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		<title>By: Autism Blog - WXYZ and bad &#8220;investigative&#8221; reporting &#124; Left Brain/Right Brain</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/rodier-on-bernard-et-al-and-environmental-causes-of-autism/#comment-51762</link>
		<dc:creator>Autism Blog - WXYZ and bad &#8220;investigative&#8221; reporting &#124; Left Brain/Right Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Autism symptoms are not the same as mercury intoxication&#8230;autism is not &#8220;a novel form of mercury [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Autism Blog - It isn&#8217;t RhoGaM either &#124; Left Brain/Right Brain</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/rodier-on-bernard-et-al-and-environmental-causes-of-autism/#comment-51349</link>
		<dc:creator>Autism Blog - It isn&#8217;t RhoGaM either &#124; Left Brain/Right Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] isn&#8217;t &#8220;a novel form of mercury poisoning&#8220;. Not from vaccines, not from immune globulins, not from plumes of mercury from China. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] isn&#8217;t &#8220;a novel form of mercury poisoning&#8220;. Not from vaccines, not from immune globulins, not from plumes of mercury from China. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/rodier-on-bernard-et-al-and-environmental-causes-of-autism/#comment-50429</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 04:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah,

&quot;It sounds like if the authors of the Bernard paper were comparing two animals, they would say, “Two eyes? Present in both! Hair? Present in both! Four legs? Present in both! These are obviously the same animal!” When they were actually looking at a gerbil and a yak.&quot;

except one was a gerbil an the other was a fish.   Some of the comparisons were just that bad.

A real comparison shows that they are not the same.

It was pretty clear that Dr. Rodier has been eager to debunk this since she first read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>&#8220;It sounds like if the authors of the Bernard paper were comparing two animals, they would say, &#8220;Two eyes? Present in both! Hair? Present in both! Four legs? Present in both! These are obviously the same animal!&#8221; When they were actually looking at a gerbil and a yak.&#8221;</p>
<p>except one was a gerbil an the other was a fish.   Some of the comparisons were just that bad.</p>
<p>A real comparison shows that they are not the same.</p>
<p>It was pretty clear that Dr. Rodier has been eager to debunk this since she first read it.</p>
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		<title>By: isles</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/rodier-on-bernard-et-al-and-environmental-causes-of-autism/#comment-50428</link>
		<dc:creator>isles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 04:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like if the authors of the Bernard paper were comparing two animals, they would say, &quot;Two eyes?  Present in both!  Hair?  Present in both!  Four legs?  Present in both!  These are obviously the same animal!&quot;  When they were actually looking at a gerbil and a yak.

It also sounds like Dr. Rodier did a magnificent job debunking this POS &quot;study.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like if the authors of the Bernard paper were comparing two animals, they would say, &#8220;Two eyes?  Present in both!  Hair?  Present in both!  Four legs?  Present in both!  These are obviously the same animal!&#8221;  When they were actually looking at a gerbil and a yak.</p>
<p>It also sounds like Dr. Rodier did a magnificent job debunking this <span class="caps">POS </span>&#8220;study.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Phil Schwarz</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/rodier-on-bernard-et-al-and-environmental-causes-of-autism/#comment-50426</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Schwarz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 04:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bernard (Enayati?) paper is destined to go down in the history of autism in the company of &quot;The Empty Fortress&quot;: as a wrong turn that sets true progress and betterment of the lives of autistic people back untold numbers of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bernard (Enayati?) paper is destined to go down in the history of autism in the company of &#8220;The Empty Fortress&#8221;: as a wrong turn that sets true progress and betterment of the lives of autistic people back untold numbers of years.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/rodier-on-bernard-et-al-and-environmental-causes-of-autism/#comment-50425</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 01:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think it’s odd that the “Bernard” paper was written by Albert Enayati. In the book, “Evidence of Harm,” it says that he offered to paper to anyone who would pay to get it in to Medical Hyp, and whoever paid for it would get to put his or her name as lead author….&lt;/i&gt;

In preparing this, I called up the paper again.  As I read it, there were some strange abbreviations and phrasings.  

As an example, &quot;HgP&quot; for mercury poisoning google hgp mercury poisoning and you get almost 12,000 hits.  Add -autism and 11,000 of the hits disappear.  Almost all of the hits are based on this paper. 

It struck me that someone was trying to shave the paper down.  So, I scrolled to the end of the paper and, lo and behold, it ends at exactly the page break.  If correct (and I would welcome a hypothesis breaking test) this means that the authors likely got the proofs and saw that they had only a little bit of text on what would have been the 11th published page.  By shaving it down, they saved 10% on the page charges.

Just an untestable hypothesis.  But, it was an honest observation on my part as I read the paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think it&#8217;s odd that the &#8220;Bernard&#8221; paper was written by Albert Enayati. In the book, &#8220;Evidence of Harm,&#8221; it says that he offered to paper to anyone who would pay to get it in to Medical Hyp, and whoever paid for it would get to put his or her name as lead author&#8230;.</i></p>
<p>In preparing this, I called up the paper again.  As I read it, there were some strange abbreviations and phrasings.</p>
<p>As an example, &#8220;HgP&#8221; for mercury poisoning google hgp mercury poisoning and you get almost 12,000 hits.  Add -autism and 11,000 of the hits disappear.  Almost all of the hits are based on this paper.</p>
<p>It struck me that someone was trying to shave the paper down.  So, I scrolled to the end of the paper and, lo and behold, it ends at exactly the page break.  If correct (and I would welcome a hypothesis breaking test) this means that the authors likely got the proofs and saw that they had only a little bit of text on what would have been the 11th published page.  By shaving it down, they saved 10% on the page charges.</p>
<p>Just an untestable hypothesis.  But, it was an honest observation on my part as I read the paper.</p>
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		<title>By: culvercitycynic</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/rodier-on-bernard-et-al-and-environmental-causes-of-autism/#comment-50424</link>
		<dc:creator>culvercitycynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks very much for this Sullivan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much for this Sullivan.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/rodier-on-bernard-et-al-and-environmental-causes-of-autism/#comment-50423</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to add another observation: it is often implied by those pushing the autism/mercury hypothesis that mainstream researchers have &#039;dismissed&#039; the idea.  This suggests that a thorough analysis has not been considered.

When you have a single person like Dr. Rodier who has experience in both autism and mercury poisoning who can bring that expertise to the question, those arguments fail.

The Omnibus has demonstrated very clearly that it is the mercury crowd that has not only the shallow background expertise, but is also doing the minimal effort needed to gather data to support the hypothesis.

Dr. Rodier echoed the sentiments of Dr. Johnson who stated that the first step in testing a new hypothesis is to try to disprove it.  If there is a simple test that can disprove a hypothesis, it can save many years of fruitless effort.  Dr. Rodier suggested that the simple test that discredits the thimerosal/autism theory is exactly on of Dr. Aposhian&#039;s (toxicologist for the petitioner) favorite stories: the story of the family that ate the tainted pork  in New Mexico.  The symptoms of ethyl mercury poisoning went away as the ethyl mercury was removed from the system.  People who regress with autism after thimerosal containing vaccines do not improve as the ethyl mercury is converted to inorganic mercury.  Therefore, those with regressive autism after TCV&#039;s are not suffering from ethyl-mercury poisoning.

Dr. Mumper exemplified this trait as well.  She relied heavily on the Hornig study to form her view of vaccine injury autism.  However, even in preparing for the Omnibus, she hadn&#039;t read the Berman paper which demonstrated that Hornig&#039;s results can not be replicated (even with 10x the mercury exposure).

The arm-chair epidemiologists David Kirby and  the Geiers are also very guilty of this.  They used the CDDS data to support the idea of an epidemic, but didn&#039;t look deep enough into the data to test if the hypothesis was valid.  They didn&#039;t check how the data compared by region or by ethnicity (to name only a couple of &#039;sanity&#039; checks).

It is beyond sad that parents and would be autism-medical-practitioners go to conventions and listen to supposed experts without rebuttal.  In a real scientific conference, these &#039;experts&#039; would be subject to tough questions by the scientific &#039;peers&#039;.  Instead, 50 year old data on duck brains is passed off as profound and relevant to autism.

The best and the brightest of the scientists promoting vaccine-injury-autism are being tested and they are failing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to add another observation: it is often implied by those pushing the autism/mercury hypothesis that mainstream researchers have &#8216;dismissed&#8217; the idea.  This suggests that a thorough analysis has not been considered.</p>
<p>When you have a single person like Dr. Rodier who has experience in both autism and mercury poisoning who can bring that expertise to the question, those arguments fail.</p>
<p>The Omnibus has demonstrated very clearly that it is the mercury crowd that has not only the shallow background expertise, but is also doing the minimal effort needed to gather data to support the hypothesis.</p>
<p>Dr. Rodier echoed the sentiments of Dr. Johnson who stated that the first step in testing a new hypothesis is to try to disprove it.  If there is a simple test that can disprove a hypothesis, it can save many years of fruitless effort.  Dr. Rodier suggested that the simple test that discredits the thimerosal/autism theory is exactly on of Dr. Aposhian&#8217;s (toxicologist for the petitioner) favorite stories: the story of the family that ate the tainted pork  in New Mexico.  The symptoms of ethyl mercury poisoning went away as the ethyl mercury was removed from the system.  People who regress with autism after thimerosal containing vaccines do not improve as the ethyl mercury is converted to inorganic mercury.  Therefore, those with regressive autism after <span class="caps">TCV</span>&#8217;s are not suffering from ethyl-mercury poisoning.</p>
<p>Dr. Mumper exemplified this trait as well.  She relied heavily on the Hornig study to form her view of vaccine injury autism.  However, even in preparing for the Omnibus, she hadn&#8217;t read the Berman paper which demonstrated that Hornig&#8217;s results can not be replicated (even with 10x the mercury exposure).</p>
<p>The arm-chair epidemiologists David Kirby and  the Geiers are also very guilty of this.  They used the <span class="caps">CDDS</span> data to support the idea of an epidemic, but didn&#8217;t look deep enough into the data to test if the hypothesis was valid.  They didn&#8217;t check how the data compared by region or by ethnicity (to name only a couple of &#8216;sanity&#8217; checks).</p>
<p>It is beyond sad that parents and would be autism-medical-practitioners go to conventions and listen to supposed experts without rebuttal.  In a real scientific conference, these &#8216;experts&#8217; would be subject to tough questions by the scientific &#8216;peers&#8217;.  Instead, 50 year old data on duck brains is passed off as profound and relevant to autism.</p>
<p>The best and the brightest of the scientists promoting vaccine-injury-autism are being tested and they are failing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Clark</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/rodier-on-bernard-et-al-and-environmental-causes-of-autism/#comment-50422</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note, Dr. Rodier gave her credentials at the very end of day 9 (May 22), but the main part of her testimony is day 10, May 23.  There won&#039;t be a &quot;Day 11&quot; since that would be Monday, a holiday.  They&#039;ll start with recordings that will be labeled, &quot;Day 12&quot; on Tuesday, apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note, Dr. Rodier gave her credentials at the very end of day 9 (May 22), but the main part of her testimony is day 10, May 23.  There won&#8217;t be a &#8220;Day 11&#8221; since that would be Monday, a holiday.  They&#8217;ll start with recordings that will be labeled, &#8220;Day 12&#8221; on Tuesday, apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Clark</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/rodier-on-bernard-et-al-and-environmental-causes-of-autism/#comment-50421</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Sullivan.  One thing that kind of cracked me up was the term, &quot;progressive microcephaly.&quot;  I guess the authors of this paper were suggesting that if your kid gets a few micrograms of ethyl mercury from thimerosal that his or her head will begin to shrink.  Though I suppose it could mean that the baby&#039;s head would just cease to grow while his or her body continued to grow. Doesn&#039;t sound very typical of autism.   

I think it&#039;s odd that the &quot;Bernard&quot; paper was written by Albert Enayati.  In the book, &quot;Evidence of Harm,&quot; it says that he offered to paper to anyone who would pay to get it in to Medical Hyp, and whoever paid for it would get to put his or her name as lead author....

hmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Sullivan.  One thing that kind of cracked me up was the term, &#8220;progressive microcephaly.&#8221;  I guess the authors of this paper were suggesting that if your kid gets a few micrograms of ethyl mercury from thimerosal that his or her head will begin to shrink.  Though I suppose it could mean that the baby&#8217;s head would just cease to grow while his or her body continued to grow. Doesn&#8217;t sound very typical of autism.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s odd that the &#8220;Bernard&#8221; paper was written by Albert Enayati.  In the book, &#8220;Evidence of Harm,&#8221; it says that he offered to paper to anyone who would pay to get it in to Medical Hyp, and whoever paid for it would get to put his or her name as lead author&#8230;.</p>
<p>hmmmm.</p>
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