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	<title>Comments on: Thimerosal on trial- the incredible shrinking epidemic</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Offit on Hannah Poling and the VICP</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/thimerosal-on-trial-the-incredible-shrinking-epidemic/#comment-50028</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Offit on Hannah Poling and the VICP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been carefully defining autism into sub-groups such as &#8220;regressive autism&#8221; and &#8220;clearly regressive autism&#8220;: Does this mean there is also &#8220;unclearly regressive autism&#8221; or &#8220;clearly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been carefully defining autism into sub-groups such as &#8220;regressive autism&#8221; and &#8220;clearly regressive autism&#8220;: Does this mean there is also &#8220;unclearly regressive autism&#8221; or &#8220;clearly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Clark</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/thimerosal-on-trial-the-incredible-shrinking-epidemic/#comment-50014</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very rare vaccine outcomes have been spotted in the public and the CDC has responded.  If I am reading the report correctly they could attribute Guillan Barre syndrome to vaccines in 1 in 100,000 people who got the swine flu vax in the 1976/77.  And that&#039;s in spite of the fact that unvaxed people do get Guillan Barre and they could have all said that it was the typical background rate... since they were counting carefully they could see that this was above the background rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very rare vaccine outcomes have been spotted in the public and the <span class="caps">CDC</span> has responded.  If I am reading the report correctly they could attribute Guillan Barre syndrome to vaccines in 1 in 100,000 people who got the swine flu vax in the 1976/77.  And that&#8217;s in spite of the fact that unvaxed people do get Guillan Barre and they could have all said that it was the typical background rate&#8230; since they were counting carefully they could see that this was above the background rate.</p>
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		<title>By: alyric</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/thimerosal-on-trial-the-incredible-shrinking-epidemic/#comment-50003</link>
		<dc:creator>alyric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 15:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, forgot to add that the question mark over Healy&#039;s critical thinking skills took flight after hearing her say that the public would not give up on vaccines because they knew what polio could do and what tetanus looked like.  That was a very strange conclusion to reach considering the headlines about resurgent measles and so on.  It was also the ultimate in pander.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, forgot to add that the question mark over Healy&#8217;s critical thinking skills took flight after hearing her say that the public would not give up on vaccines because they knew what polio could do and what tetanus looked like.  That was a very strange conclusion to reach considering the headlines about resurgent measles and so on.  It was also the ultimate in pander.</p>
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		<title>By: alyric</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/thimerosal-on-trial-the-incredible-shrinking-epidemic/#comment-50002</link>
		<dc:creator>alyric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems they&#039;re trying for some mileage from Dr Bernadine Healy&#039;s interview with Atkinsson and Imus - why the Imus interview I don&#039;t know.    Healy&#039;s interview leaves a lot to be desired - to the point that if we were handing out prizes for the worst pander on offer at the moment, Healy should win hands down.  Her points were political basically while claiming to be scientific.  As I recall and do correct me if I got this wrong, her main point was that of the 300 recipients of vaccine injury payments, there has been no research done to look for causality.  That may be true and if so someone should check it.  Note that 300 over the life of the vaccine court is a really small number given the numbers vaccinated over the same period.  If Healy&#039;s figures weren&#039;t pulled out of thin air, what does that say to the outcomes of the Omnibus proceedings?  Should we assume that maybe 10 of the 5000 may be really vaccine damaged, given the combination of Healy&#039;s figures and the sample bias inherent in the money-grab basis to this case?  Meanwhile back at causality, Healy assumes that the government isn&#039;t looking at the vaccine issue, having prematurely dismissed the possibility, because the results may prove embarassing.  Maybe, but if the Poling case was any yardstick, I think there is a distinct possibility that the Courts have failed public health interests abysmally by granting claims on nothing but association. 

Also, given the rarity of vaccine damage, how does Healy think she&#039;s going to screen for the tiny, tiny number who  have conditions that look as if they&#039;ve been vaccine damaged without bankrupting the country?   

I did find it strange that she was recommending this probably catastrophic public health strategy without offering anything beyond conjecture.  Her vague references to mouse studies and mercury weren&#039;t particularly compelling.  If she was referring to Horning&#039;s mouse study, then the woman has some difficulties assessing the merits of scientific publications.  According to the lone medico on the Huffington Post, she also managed to muddle incidence and prevalence and that is surely something out of the ordinary for a public health official.  But then, from what I can work out, she&#039;s also made an assumption that I don&#039;t think she&#039;s entitled to make about epidemiology.  Now the anti-vaccine establishment and Healy along with them make the pronouncement that epidemiology is too crude a tool to pick up associations in small subsets of the population.  Given the figures that the Omnibus crowd is talking about I doubt that that is true simply because of the huge numbers in the samples analysed thus far.  Epidemiology managed to pick up some weird association with a vaccine where the incidence was 1 in 38,000.  Can&#039;t remember the paper but I could unearth it I think:)  In these very large sample sizes, the small subset of &#039;regressive autism&#039; (whatever that means) cases should appear, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems they&#8217;re trying for some mileage from Dr Bernadine Healy&#8217;s interview with Atkinsson and Imus &#8211; why the Imus interview I don&#8217;t know.    Healy&#8217;s interview leaves a lot to be desired &#8211; to the point that if we were handing out prizes for the worst pander on offer at the moment, Healy should win hands down.  Her points were political basically while claiming to be scientific.  As I recall and do correct me if I got this wrong, her main point was that of the 300 recipients of vaccine injury payments, there has been no research done to look for causality.  That may be true and if so someone should check it.  Note that 300 over the life of the vaccine court is a really small number given the numbers vaccinated over the same period.  If Healy&#8217;s figures weren&#8217;t pulled out of thin air, what does that say to the outcomes of the Omnibus proceedings?  Should we assume that maybe 10 of the 5000 may be really vaccine damaged, given the combination of Healy&#8217;s figures and the sample bias inherent in the money-grab basis to this case?  Meanwhile back at causality, Healy assumes that the government isn&#8217;t looking at the vaccine issue, having prematurely dismissed the possibility, because the results may prove embarassing.  Maybe, but if the Poling case was any yardstick, I think there is a distinct possibility that the Courts have failed public health interests abysmally by granting claims on nothing but association.</p>
<p>Also, given the rarity of vaccine damage, how does Healy think she&#8217;s going to screen for the tiny, tiny number who  have conditions that look as if they&#8217;ve been vaccine damaged without bankrupting the country?</p>
<p>I did find it strange that she was recommending this probably catastrophic public health strategy without offering anything beyond conjecture.  Her vague references to mouse studies and mercury weren&#8217;t particularly compelling.  If she was referring to Horning&#8217;s mouse study, then the woman has some difficulties assessing the merits of scientific publications.  According to the lone medico on the Huffington Post, she also managed to muddle incidence and prevalence and that is surely something out of the ordinary for a public health official.  But then, from what I can work out, she&#8217;s also made an assumption that I don&#8217;t think she&#8217;s entitled to make about epidemiology.  Now the anti-vaccine establishment and Healy along with them make the pronouncement that epidemiology is too crude a tool to pick up associations in small subsets of the population.  Given the figures that the Omnibus crowd is talking about I doubt that that is true simply because of the huge numbers in the samples analysed thus far.  Epidemiology managed to pick up some weird association with a vaccine where the incidence was 1 in 38,000.  Can&#8217;t remember the paper but I could unearth it I think:)  In these very large sample sizes, the small subset of &#8216;regressive autism&#8217; (whatever that means) cases should appear, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: Autism Blog - Autism Omnibus - Petitioners suggest new prevalence &#124; Left Brain/Right Brain</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/thimerosal-on-trial-the-incredible-shrinking-epidemic/#comment-49998</link>
		<dc:creator>Autism Blog - Autism Omnibus - Petitioners suggest new prevalence &#124; Left Brain/Right Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 09:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] noted by Ms Clark yesterday, petitioners in the current Autism Omnibus hearing are redefining the terms of the so called [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] noted by Ms Clark yesterday, petitioners in the current Autism Omnibus hearing are redefining the terms of the so called [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Clark</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/thimerosal-on-trial-the-incredible-shrinking-epidemic/#comment-49995</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 01:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just tidied up some of the typos on my post, in case anyone notices the changes and wants that to be noted.  None of the information was changed, just some typos and I cleaned up some confusing grammar.  

I was typing it while listening on the phone to Dr. Deth give his testimony today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just tidied up some of the typos on my post, in case anyone notices the changes and wants that to be noted.  None of the information was changed, just some typos and I cleaned up some confusing grammar.</p>
<p>I was typing it while listening on the phone to Dr. Deth give his testimony today.</p>
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		<title>By: bones</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/05/thimerosal-on-trial-the-incredible-shrinking-epidemic/#comment-49991</link>
		<dc:creator>bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the &quot;subset theory&quot;,  for want of a better term, has been there from day 1.  The anti-vaxers just keep forgetting about that tid bit while they spew their conspiracy/epidemic rhetoric all over the place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the &#8220;subset theory&#8221;,  for want of a better term, has been there from day 1.  The anti-vaxers just keep forgetting about that tid bit while they spew their conspiracy/epidemic rhetoric all over the place.</p>
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