Green Our Vaccines – the reality

4 Jun

Green our vaccines at 09:15

Contrary to the press reports and the frenzied claims of Jenny McCarthy of rally participants numbering between 8 to 10,000 it seems according to police who accompanied the rally that there were between 500 – 1,000 participants. I cannot source that quote, for which I am sorry. I hope to be able to source it very soon but where I got it from is not available just yet.

The above photo was taken at 09:15. The below photo was taken at the end of the rally.

Green our vaccines crowd

It certainly doesn’t seem to be a very imposing crowd.

People who watched the start of the rally via webcams (my ISP decided to go down today of all days) say that a very loose straggly crowd walking very slowly took about 20 mins to pass a fixed point.

Someone else attending the rally said (again, in confidence):

There were about 500 people at the rally today, about half of whom were children. The press conference lasted for about an hour and a half. The speakers were, in order: Dr. Jay Gordon, Boyd Haley, Dr. Jerry Kartzinel, RFK Jr., Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy. RFK Jr. spoke at length about the science disproving a link between vaccines and autism. He said that all that science is paid for by the pharmaceutical industry and that top vaccine advocates such as Renee Jenkins and Paul Offit are in the pockets of these companies.

Other notables in the crowd included JB Handley, Scott and Laura Bono, the Hazlehursts and Jim Moody.

Update: seems the media are cottoning on to the low turnout. As noted by Catherina in the comments, News Channel 10 say:

Hundreds rally against child vaccinations

Seems like the saw through the pretence this wasn’t an anti-vaccine rally too. Well done them.

Apparently, the stupidest quote of the day comes from Jim Carrey:

If fire engines were running over people on the way to a fire, we wouldn’t say there shouldn’t be fire engines. We would ask the fire engines to slow down. That’s our message to the CDC – that we need to slow down the vaccination schedule.

There you have it, fire engines should slow down on their way to a fire. Jim Carrey’s other invaluable contribution was apparently taunting ‘big pharma’ for not finding a cure for autism whilst at the same time:

finding cures for “that great scourge restless legs syndrome, also known as lazy ass disease.”

Thats the same ‘lazy ass syndrome‘ that is associated with pregnancy, varicose vein or venous reflux, folate deficiency, sleep apnea, uremia, diabetes, thyroid disease, peripheral neuropathy, Parkinson’s disease and certain auto-immune disorders such as Sjögren’s syndrome, celiac disease, and rheumatoid arthritis.

Oh and ADHD of course. The same ADHD that is included on the front page blurb of Groups Jenny McCarthy is on the board of.

Update II: If anyone would like to pass on Carrey’s kind words to the RLS community, you can do that at their website.

Later on Carrey apparently asked the rhetorical question ‘how stupid do you think we are‘. Heh.

Here is Jim Carrey’s quotes in the full context of his speech, courtesy of Autism News Beat – once again, venturing into the heart of woo-land.

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120 Responses to “Green Our Vaccines – the reality”

  1. HCN June 19, 2008 at 05:48 #

    Lin said “Jenny is the spokesperson for TACA NOT GR!!”

    Are you so sure about that?…
    http://www.generationrescue.org/jenny.html

    It is not a coincident that while my son had to be protected from pertussis because it was at epidemic levels in our county, that at around the same time (he is almost 20 years old) over 120 Americans died from measles (at least two in our state). Even now about a dozen babies die from pertussis in the USA each year.

    Can you tell us what this brand new “Green Vaccine” schedule is, and the science behind it? Be sure that it is backed up with stuff indexed on PubMed. Thank you.

  2. Quotes June 19, 2008 at 05:54 #

    Thomas Jefferson had some very good things to say. Such as:

    The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the tracts which favor that theory.

    In reading that, I am reminded of Dr. Mumper, who used the Hornig study in forming her opinions about how thimerosal causes autism, but hadn’t even read the Berman study which refute Horning.

  3. Ms. Clark June 19, 2008 at 06:03 #

    This is very funny. :-D
    “You people and your selective listening…Jenny is the spokesperson for TACA NOT GR!! What don’t you get about that? My, when you guys (and gals) get stuck on something, you REALLY get stuck!! Funny, my son is exactly that same way. So hard to un-do anything he’s perceived, correctly or incorrectly. Again, why I continue to fight on all fronts for him with every essence of my being…”

    You people and your selective understanding. Jenny IS a spokesperson for GR. When she was on that goofy Hollywood show she accepted a big old check from some blonde that was payable to…… Jenny? No. Jimbo? No. Talk About Curing Toxic Moms? No. Jenny accepted a check made out the Generation Rescue.

    Hmmmm. Tell me again who has selective hearing? Tell me who is it that gets stuck on a loop and can’t get out?

    Then answer HCN’s questions about which vaccines are not helping kids be safer?

    Which vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases they protect against.

    Jim, of “dumb and dumber” fame, was asked which vaccines needed to be removed from the current schedule. He was wearing a “Too Many Too Soon” t-shirt at the time. His answer was, “Some parents opt not to give the tetanus vaccine” or words to that effect.

    So was it the single tetanus vaccine that “caused the autism epidemic” Who gets the single tetanus vaccine? Babies don’t. They get the DTaP, if I’m not mistaken.

    Or maybe he is all alone in thinking that a single tetanus shot at say, age 15, or age 30, is “too many too soon”.

    No one is saying that parents don’t have a choice. It’s just that parents shouldn’t be needlessly terrorized away from something that could save their baby’s life or prevent serious disability like deafness, blindness, limb deformities or sterility.

    It’s not right to lie about vaccines.

  4. HCN June 19, 2008 at 06:10 #

    Oddly enough… tetanus is the only thing on the schedule for which herd immunity does not exist.

    I’m an avid gardener. Tetanus is something we always keep current.

  5. Ms. Clark June 19, 2008 at 06:18 #

    I’m up to date on my tetanus vaccine… I got it with the Tdap a couple of years ago.

    I sure wouldn’t want to wish tetanus on Jim Carrey…
    “Tetanus (lockjaw) is a serious disease that causes painful tightening of the muscles, usually all over the body. It can lead to “locking” of the jaw so the victim cannot open his mouth or swallow. Tetanus leads to death in about 1 in 10 cases. Several vaccines are used to prevent tetanus among children, adolescents, and adults including DTaP, Tdap, DT, and Td”
    I guess he thinks the odds are pretty good that if all kids got no tetanus vaccine that only a few of them would die, and maybe he thinks those would be ones he didn’t like anyway… or something…

  6. Kev June 19, 2008 at 07:58 #

    Lin you seem genuinely uninformed about the affiliations of the people you consider on your side and leading the charge. I think that speaks volumes about your general level of knowledge on the subject.

    This isn’t America by the way this is a UK blog owned by a UK resident.

    The backs of the tshirts worn at this rally claimed a lot of baloney about vaccine ingredients. Did you know for example that the amount of aluminium in the entire vaccine schedule for up to a 6 year old can be equaled by one year of breast feding? Did you also know that the amount of Formaldahyde in the entire vaccine schedule for up to a 6 year old is equal to 1 thin slice of 1 banana? Did you know that the claim that there is anti-freeze in vaccines is a straight out lie?

    Your heroes are damaging the reputation of something that has saved untold thousands of lives based on absolutely no science whatsoever.

    Now as to the claim of 8000 at this rally. You linked to two pages containing lots of links. Be more specific.

  7. Natalie June 19, 2008 at 15:07 #

    “Did you also know that the amount of Formaldahyde in the entire vaccine schedule for up to a 6 year old is equal to 1 thin slice of 1 banana?”

    Don’t our bodies also manufacture formaldehyde on their own? I believe it’s a component of blood.

  8. Ms. Clark June 19, 2008 at 18:52 #

    Natalie,

    Yes, we make formaldehyde. One of the things that glutathione does is to help keep formaldehyde under control.

    “…there is a coenzymatic function of glutathione. One of the main ways we get rid of formaldehyde is through a catalytic action, involves using glutathione as a catalyst. The glutathione is not used up (in doing that).”
    http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=839

    And before someone says it, autistic children are not deficient in glutathione.

  9. Tsu Dho Nimh June 19, 2008 at 20:18 #

    Lin – when it stopped being the parent’s choice and right to choose, it became tyranny. Ever tried to get a child into school or daycare without mandated vaccines? So, start your own school or daycare where no child is vaccinated.

    Perhaps the other parents want to exercise their right to choose that the herd immunity at their children’s school not be diluted unless it’s for children with medically necessary exemptions.

    As for the “right to choose”, when you live in a group and expect to enjoy the benefits of group, you have to subordinate some of your individual preferences for the good of the group’s health and safety.

  10. This entire website is a hateful joke June 19, 2008 at 20:47 #

    Lin-
    Stop while you are ahead. Circular arguments and servitude to pharma and central government are the status-quo here. Instead of questioning their masters, these people would rather live in denial, thinking their children are chosen by god or random occurrences that crippled their mental capacities, rather than face the truth that their own leaders have no qualms about producing a few brain-damaged kids, if it helps lobbyists line their campaign funds.

    Seriously, leave and never come back.

    Go to autismspeaks.com, there are many nice and helpful people there, even though ms smith, kev and a few others from here try to bring everyone down, they usually get embarrassed in the forums every time they post.

  11. HCN June 19, 2008 at 22:05 #

    I’m sorry, I don’t understand: I asked a question and never got an answer. How is that hateful?

    I have a child who has been and can be affected by the real diseases. My purpose as a parent is to protect him. How is that hateful?

    I search for scientific and medical research information from around the world. I do not rely on information from just the American or UK government. How is that hateful?

    Please explain exactly what I have posted here that can be construed as hateful.

  12. Kelli Ann Davis June 19, 2008 at 22:14 #

    Nothing will change. No one in charge of vaccine research cares what they think.”

    Really Camille? How would you know?

  13. Ms. Clark June 19, 2008 at 23:18 #

    Kelli Ann! Wow!

    Of course, I know because I am king of the Illuminati and I control what all pharmers and all members of the Gov think…

    Actually, because the people who make the decisions and findings that public health policies are based on are scientists, and scientists are sort of fond of science. And they sort of are tending not to be impressed that Lyndelle shows up at some meeting in her tight, shiny black pants and stilettos, and they aren’t so impressed when people like Moody show up at a meeting and fall asleep. What’s his prob anyway? Guy gots narcolepsy or sumpin;?

  14. Kev June 19, 2008 at 23:33 #

    Hi again Keith – thought you weren’t coming back?

    _”Stop while you are ahead. Circular arguments and servitude to pharma and central government are the status-quo here.”_

    Could you provide an example of these circular arguments and ‘servitude to pharma’?

    _”rather than face the truth that their own leaders have no qualms about producing a few brain-damaged kids, if it helps lobbyists line their campaign funds.”_

    That may or may not be true. It certainly isn’t true when it comes to answering the question: do vaccines cause autism?

    _”Go to autismspeaks.com, there are many nice and helpful people there, even though ms smith, kev and a few others from here try to bring everyone down, they usually get embarrassed in the forums every time they post.”_

    I genuinely can’t recall the last time I visited that forum. I think its over a year. And who’s ms smith?

  15. Kev June 19, 2008 at 23:49 #

    _”Really Camille? How would you know?”_

    Not sure how Camille knows but I tried asking some of them directly.

    Look Kelli Anne, all humorous quips to one side you (as in, your ‘side’, not you personally) have a massive credibility issue.

    You have some first rate marketing people on your side (Redwood/Blaxill etc) and some very rich people also. This means you have a lot of opportunity to push your message and get involved with the ‘powers that be’. More power to you. Go right ahead.

    However, where your issue lays is here: the science that you are using to prop up your various hypotheses is embarrassingly weak. Did it not cross your mind _why_ the Geier’s/Bradstreet et al where not called to the stand in the Omnibus hearings?

    Your other issue is that you all can’t keep your story straight. Its mercury, no its MMR, no its both, no its Aluminium, no its all three, no its all ingredients, no its the very vaccines themselves, no its the schedule they’re given. No – its ALL the above. And don’t forget the mitochondria!

    Now, when you _do_ manage to get heard by the powers that be, they’ve read the _decent_ science. They’re (with a few exceptions) not silly enough to get sucked into your agendas. So, what actually happens – and I’m afraid this is how the general public perceive you – is that you are ranting like Jenny McCarthy on Larry King Live, telling long serving doctors ‘bullshit’.

    Whilst it might be very cathartic, it really doesn’t come across well. Don’t take my word for it, Google some news blogs that allow comments.

    Bottom line: good science isn’t done by marketing gurus, researchers who take blood from kids at birthday parties and people who make up IRB’s. Until you can get around the issue that your science is dismal, your credibility with scientists (the people who make vaccine decisions) is zero.

  16. Ms. Clark June 20, 2008 at 03:11 #

    Small correction. The PSC did call Bradstreet to the stand.

    They didn’t call Dr. John (What medical board order?) Green, Dr. Boyd (Mad Child Disease) Haley, Dr. Jim (I’ll rent you an HBOT balloon) Neubrander, Dr. Mady (Rain Mouse) Hornig (now, that would have been fun), Dr. Martha (Gaia Loves Me) Herbert, Dr. Jill (whey protein supplements) James, Dr. Amy (No, really, my son was recovered) Holmes, Mr. Mark (I do Excel!) Blaxill, not even the famous Sallie/Sally Bernard.

  17. Kev June 20, 2008 at 07:21 #

    Of course, how did I forget that?

    Yes the lsit of ‘notables’ who were on the original list of experts compared to the list of expert nobodies (Vera ‘I go to their parties’ Byers) is fascinating and very revealing.

  18. Ms. Clark June 20, 2008 at 09:19 #

    I think if you added up just the raw number of experts from each side that maybe the DoJ side had twice as many… though I haven’t added them up. What’s funny is that some of the EoHam gang had made a big deal out of how the DoJ had only named 2 or 3 experts that they had on tap to the PSC’s 6 or 7, the comments were like, “our side has more experts, we win!” I wonder how they look at the math now. I would guess that they could have had a few more heavy hitters if they hadn’t covered all the PSC’s points more than well enough with who they had.

    There was one expert, I can’t remember now if it was Mailman. On top of his expert testimony (which was about something biochemical that I can’t remember) he said that he and his wife had examined all of the evidence a couple of years ago or so because they were expecting a baby and were concerned about all this thimerosal and autism talk. They decided that the thimerosal containing vaccines were safe for their baby.

    I hope we get the transcripts soon, so folks can read it for themselves.

  19. Liz Ditz June 20, 2008 at 22:48 #

    Lin writes:

    HELLO???? Aren’t any of you listening?

    I repeat, when it stopped being the parent’s choice and right to choose, it became tyranny.

    Ever tried to get a child into school or daycare without mandated vaccines? Ever tried to refuse any of the “too many” vaccines? If you had, you’d know and understand!

    But as CNN reported earlier:

    “”Many of these doctors say even though they might disagree with these parents, they are making changes.

    “If a parent says no to an intervention, including a vaccination, I have to accept that,” said Dr. Arthur Lavin, a pediatrician in Beachwood, Ohio, and associate clinical professor of pediatrics at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine. “I share with them what I know, but ultimately, it’s the parent’s decision.”

    Dr. Kenneth Bock, a clinical instructor in the department of family medicine at Albany Medical College in New York, put it this way: “It shouldn’t be my way or the highway. We can’t say one size fits all. One size doesn’t fit all.”

    In an article on CNN.com in March, two CDC doctors wrote, “Although some may call it a ‘one size fits all’ approach, the recommended vaccine schedule is flexible.”

    The following is a list of vaccine changes that parents have requested and that some pediatricians have agreed to make. It does not include a discussion of the pros and cons to each approach, or a discussion of whether vaccines and autism are even linked, but rather a list of some approaches being used by some pediatricians and parents.

    A list follows — go to the article to read the discussion.

    1. Delaying the first hepatitis B shot
    2. Not doing some shots at all
    3. Checking for ‘titers’ before giving booster shots
    4. Spreading the vaccines out over a longer period of time
    5. Splitting up combined shots (Pertussis is not available separately, so even doctors like Sears, who offer an alternative schedule, give the DTaP shot.)

    However, I want to emphasize what Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

    Perhaps the other parents want to exercise their right to choose that the herd immunity at their children’s school not be diluted unless it’s for children with medically necessary exemptions.

    As for the “right to choose”, when you live in a group and expect to enjoy the benefits of group, you have to subordinate some of your individual preferences for the good of the group’s health and safety.

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