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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/06/a-quiet-concession/#comment-50688</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Taylor,

ADD is not included as a qualifying category for services by the CDDS.  Even if it were, I don&#039;t believe this would be relevant at this time.

Many children with autism do not have mental retardation, as you state.  Many individuals with autism do not have mental retardation, as you state.  That is actually a very important fact that has been explored on blogs by myself and others.

The interesting fact is that the percentage of people identified with autism who have no mental retadation is increasing with time.  The younger generation has a much larger percentage of autism without mental retardation than do the adults.  Again, this is amongst those who have qualified for services.

Given that, the question has to be asked--are the autistic kids really different than previous generations or is there a difference in identification and qualification for services?

Oddly, niether of those two possibilities are consistent with the &quot;autism is vaccine damage&quot; discussion, which puts forth that there are really more individuals with autism and they are worse off than previous generations cognitively and health wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Taylor,</p>
<p><span class="caps">ADD</span> is not included as a qualifying category for services by the <span class="caps">CDDS</span>.  Even if it were, I don&#8217;t believe this would be relevant at this time.</p>
<p>Many children with autism do not have mental retardation, as you state.  Many individuals with autism do not have mental retardation, as you state.  That is actually a very important fact that has been explored on blogs by myself and others.</p>
<p>The interesting fact is that the percentage of people identified with autism who have no mental retadation is increasing with time.  The younger generation has a much larger percentage of autism without mental retardation than do the adults.  Again, this is amongst those who have qualified for services.</p>
<p>Given that, the question has to be asked&#8212;are the autistic kids really different than previous generations or is there a difference in identification and qualification for services?</p>
<p>Oddly, niether of those two possibilities are consistent with the &#8220;autism is vaccine damage&#8221; discussion, which puts forth that there are really more individuals with autism and they are worse off than previous generations cognitively and health wise.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Clark</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/06/a-quiet-concession/#comment-50683</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Taylor, maybe you need to take a second to familiarize yourself with the California Dept of Developmental Services (the source of the data).  Google is your friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Taylor, maybe you need to take a second to familiarize yourself with the California Dept of Developmental Services (the source of the data).  Google is your friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Megan Taylor</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/06/a-quiet-concession/#comment-50682</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Megan Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This graph is erroneous. If you are accurately reflecting statistics trying to swap  Mental Retardation for Autism-You need to include ADD in the graph. Also, Many individuals with autism do not test as having Mental Retardation. Can you be nonbiased enough to list this addition?

Please also refer to the current literature and funding for the regressive form of Autism which appears to be from an autoimmune disease. Whether this is from an overactive immune system or something else is unclear at this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This graph is erroneous. If you are accurately reflecting statistics trying to swap  Mental Retardation for Autism-You need to include <span class="caps">ADD</span> in the graph. Also, Many individuals with autism do not test as having Mental Retardation. Can you be nonbiased enough to list this addition?</p>
<p>Please also refer to the current literature and funding for the regressive form of Autism which appears to be from an autoimmune disease. Whether this is from an overactive immune system or something else is unclear at this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/06/a-quiet-concession/#comment-50670</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should note that the age brackets are designated by the top age.  So a 21-30 bracket would be listed as x=30.  That&#039;s why the last data point goes to 100. 

Schwartz,  there are a number of ways to normalize this.  This way is (a) more simple and (b) includes some balance for changing criteria over time but mostly (c) it is easier for me to look a.  (c) is important because if you look at strict prevalence, you find that people with developmental disabilities die younger.  CDDS is doing a much better job at keeping people healthy and alive, but it is pretty obvious in the data that there are not enough older people of all  DD&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should note that the age brackets are designated by the top age.  So a 21-30 bracket would be listed as x=30.  That&#8217;s why the last data point goes to 100.</p>
<p>Schwartz,  there are a number of ways to normalize this.  This way is (a) more simple and (b) includes some balance for changing criteria over time but mostly&#169; it is easier for me to look a.  (c) is important because if you look at strict prevalence, you find that people with developmental disabilities die younger.  <span class="caps">CDDS</span> is doing a much better job at keeping people healthy and alive, but it is pretty obvious in the data that there are not enough older people of all  DD&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: María Luján</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/06/a-quiet-concession/#comment-50666</link>
		<dc:creator>María Luján</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sullivan, I apologize
My web configuration presents the author name very little-and some kind of problems with the change of caps size-however it is no excuse.
Now, thank you about the recent diagnostic substitution manuscripts you cited, from May 2008. I do think that it is true that there has been mis diagnosis- and not only in USA/UK of course.My point is Is it enough to explain the increase in children/now teens as the only explanation? how all the confounders are considered? MAy be them accounted correctly for?
Now, there is developmental language disorder, MR and infantil schizophrenia as (potential) misdiagnosis- between others; how may the substitution  be clearly assigned in retrospective-such as the recent manuscript you cited?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sullivan, I apologize<br />
My web configuration presents the author name very little-and some kind of problems with the change of caps size-however it is no excuse.<br />
Now, thank you about the recent diagnostic substitution manuscripts you cited, from May 2008. I do think that it is true that there has been mis diagnosis- and not only in <span class="caps">USA</span>/UK of course.My point is Is it enough to explain the increase in children/now teens as the only explanation? how all the confounders are considered? MAy be them accounted correctly for?<br />
Now, there is developmental language disorder, MR and infantil schizophrenia as (potential) misdiagnosis- between others; how may the substitution  be clearly assigned in retrospective-such as the recent manuscript you cited?</p>
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		<title>By: Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/06/a-quiet-concession/#comment-50665</link>
		<dc:creator>Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sullivan,

I&#039;m not sure I&#039;m reading this properly, but that graph is showing percentages of overall caseload right?

Don&#039;t we need to get the percentage of cases vs total population to determine if there is an increase in people serviced -- and thus indicative of prevalence?

Not that it detracts from your call to identify adults who have been misdiagnosed.  I have no doubt that mis-diagnosis has been widespread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sullivan,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;m reading this properly, but that graph is showing percentages of overall caseload right?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t we need to get the percentage of cases vs total population to determine if there is an increase in people serviced&#8212;and thus indicative of prevalence?</p>
<p>Not that it detracts from your call to identify adults who have been misdiagnosed.  I have no doubt that mis-diagnosis has been widespread.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/06/a-quiet-concession/#comment-50664</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick,

I think you are talking about this story:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=4987758

Joseph, 

Sorry if I misrepresented what you have stated in the past.  Granted, the CDDS data are a difficult set to draw real conclusions from.  This is all the more difficult with multiple categories for each child.  

The CDDS autism counts do show that the people qualifying under &quot;autism&quot; now have a much lower fraction with &quot;mental retardation&quot; as an additional category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick,</p>
<p>I think you are talking about this story:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=4987758" rel="nofollow">http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/.....id=4987758</a></p>
<p>Joseph,</p>
<p>Sorry if I misrepresented what you have stated in the past.  Granted, the <span class="caps">CDDS</span> data are a difficult set to draw real conclusions from.  This is all the more difficult with multiple categories for each child.</p>
<p>The <span class="caps">CDDS</span> autism counts do show that the people qualifying under &#8220;autism&#8221; now have a much lower fraction with &#8220;mental retardation&#8221; as an additional category.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/06/a-quiet-concession/#comment-50662</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria,

I (Sullivan) wrote this.   I&#039;d point out that &lt;a href=&quot;http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/117/4/1028?maxtoshow=&amp;HITS=10&amp;hits=10&amp;RESULTFORMAT=&amp;fulltext=shattuck+autism&amp;andorexactfulltext=and&amp;searchid=1&amp;FIRSTINDEX=0&amp;sortspec=relevance&amp;resourcetype=HWCIT&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shattuck&lt;/a&gt; also has discussed autism and substitution in Pediatrics.  


Others have done so as well in other journals.  For example, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1469-8749.2008.02057.x&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1469-8749.2008.00325.x&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria,</p>
<p>I (Sullivan) wrote this.   I&#8217;d point out that <a href="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/117/4/1028?maxtoshow=&#038;HITS=10&#038;hits=10&#038;RESULTFORMAT=&#038;fulltext=shattuck+autism&#038;andorexactfulltext=and&#038;searchid=1&#038;FIRSTINDEX=0&#038;sortspec=relevance&#038;resourcetype=HWCIT" rel="nofollow">Shattuck</a> also has discussed autism and substitution in Pediatrics.</p>
<p>Others have done so as well in other journals.  For example, <a href="http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1469-8749.2008.02057.x" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1469-8749.2008.00325.x" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/06/a-quiet-concession/#comment-50661</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria: You should look at Shattuck, which came later, and the subsequent discussion between Shattuck and Newschaffer. 

&lt;i&gt;This is what Joseph has been pointing out for a long time (along with others) in the blogs, and what people have reported in the literature: people with autism have very likely been mislabeled, their autism label was ”substituted” for a different label.&lt;/i&gt;

Thanks for the mention, Sullivan. But to be honest, I&#039;m not sure we&#039;re looking at substitution in CDDS. I don&#039;t think CDDS is a good database to look at substitution. We might be looking at a different phenomenon, interesting in its own right.

Every child who seeks services with CDDS is supposed to have a mental retardation evaluation. Theoretically, the CDDS prevalence of any mental retardation category should be stable (and I&#039;d say it is at the whole population level). Of course, it&#039;s possible that a lot of mental retardation is going into &quot;unknown MR&quot; these days, which you&#039;ll note is a category that is growing. Also, many autistic children who would&#039;ve quickly been considered retarded in the past might be evaluated more carefully these days. In general there might be an aversion to enter &quot;MR&quot; in the evaluation report, especially for young children.

Without knowing the details of how an MR determination is done before it is included in an evaluation report, it&#039;s hard to tell what&#039;s going on with your graph there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria: You should look at Shattuck, which came later, and the subsequent discussion between Shattuck and Newschaffer.</p>
<p><i>This is what Joseph has been pointing out for a long time (along with others) in the blogs, and what people have reported in the literature: people with autism have very likely been mislabeled, their autism label was &#8221;substituted&#8221; for a different label.</i></p>
<p>Thanks for the mention, Sullivan. But to be honest, I&#8217;m not sure we&#8217;re looking at substitution in <span class="caps">CDDS</span>. I don&#8217;t think <span class="caps">CDDS</span> is a good database to look at substitution. We might be looking at a different phenomenon, interesting in its own right.</p>
<p>Every child who seeks services with <span class="caps">CDDS</span> is supposed to have a mental retardation evaluation. Theoretically, the <span class="caps">CDDS</span> prevalence of any mental retardation category should be stable (and I&#8217;d say it is at the whole population level). Of course, it&#8217;s possible that a lot of mental retardation is going into &#8220;unknown MR&#8221; these days, which you&#8217;ll note is a category that is growing. Also, many autistic children who would&#8217;ve quickly been considered retarded in the past might be evaluated more carefully these days. In general there might be an aversion to enter &#8220;MR&#8221; in the evaluation report, especially for young children.</p>
<p>Without knowing the details of how an MR determination is done before it is included in an evaluation report, it&#8217;s hard to tell what&#8217;s going on with your graph there.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/06/a-quiet-concession/#comment-50660</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off-topic, ABC is carrying a nice lil story about the green vaccine thing. With quite a brouhaha going on in the comments section. )Now back to the post.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off-topic, <span class="caps">ABC</span> is carrying a nice lil story about the green vaccine thing. With quite a brouhaha going on in the comments section. )Now back to the post.)</p>
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