How urban legends get started

27 Jul

Its not often we in the autism/bad science community (you’ll know who we are, just look for the Reptiles who guard our huge mansions paid for by big pharma, or our Black Helicopters parked outside said mansions) get to see the actual birth of a brand new urban legend. When we do, we must tread warily, lest we scare off the fledgling nuttiness like bird watchers creeping up on a White-rumped Sandpiper.

But here we are, presented to you courtesy of two genuine, grade a mouth-frothers from those hallowed fori of all things anti-vaccine JABS (not, as some think an acronym for Just Awful British Silliness).

First, lets meet ‘Guss the Fuss’ – a person who ends each post with the legend ‘MMR RIP’, he seems to be under the delusion that the MMR is in some way dead. Or maybe that its pulled off a spectacular fart.

Second, is ‘Truthseeker’ who is non other than the owner of whale.to, one John Scudamore, a strange person who features anti-Semitic material on their site along with ‘The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave’. Also apparently a man who thinks that satanic ley lines burnt his bottom. In fact, so impressed was I with Mr Scudamore, I decided to create the first in a series of Bad Science tarot cards, commemorating his ass-related event.

John Scudamore - Tarot

Anyway, on this occasion, these two paragons of anti-vaccinationism managed to start an urban legend that fullfilled the prime directive of anti-vaccinationism; its bullshit.

Gus The Fuss started a thread entitled: Sainsbury’s to offer holiday MMR jabs.

Oh no, the horror….except when Guss (the Fuss) linked through to the story, well, there was absolutely no mention of MMR whatsoever. When this was pointed out to him, he answered:

Dr Thomas P again you’ve proven to take articles at face value…

????

Someone else attempted to gently remonstrate with Guss (the) Fuss:

Gus, this is a story about getting vaccines against diseases you may encounter on holiday. Have you not read it?

There’s nothing about scheduled vaccines, is there? Eh? Is there?

Sainsbury’s are NOT offering the MMR vaccine.

And thats when John ‘Truthseeker’ Scudamore turned up:

Who is mentally ill and showing sociopathic tendancies out of you or Gus. The bad science PHD Doctor who is happy that allopathic mnedicine is still killing 750,000 americans each year and you still condone it? The bad science PHD who will not even attack the indusrty that commits this genocide? You are either a Sociopath or you are mentally ill as you can not see reality as is or you condone genocide.

All this about a total non-story.

This, Dear Reader, is how anti-vaccination/autism bull gets started and spread. Someone makes up a story, links to a news story that has a slight relationship to it and then….away we go!

Thanks JABS, for making sure misinformation grows. Thats really helpful!

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21 Responses to “How urban legends get started”

  1. Ringside Seat July 27, 2008 at 21:49 #

    Not the sharpest tools in the garden shed, that’s for sure.

  2. AntiVax July 28, 2008 at 20:21 #

    LOL–never said it was satanic. And you edit out any difficult replies to your drivel. Chew on this http://whale.to/vaccine/king.html

    And no doubt you don’t know the last MMR is RIP, and the only way this one isn’t RIP is due to the coverup

  3. Kev July 28, 2008 at 20:26 #

    Right John, the coverup….tell me again – is it the Lizards or the Black Helicopters? Or is it the Lizards flying the Black Helicopters?

  4. ThoJ July 28, 2008 at 20:41 #

    Cover up?

    Kev, he’s got you: as long as the Ley Lines aren’t satanic they make perfect sense.

    Yeppers.

    Scudamore was one of the only people to show up to David Kirby’s talk in the UK, right? Speaks volumes.

  5. Anthony July 28, 2008 at 20:46 #

    I didn’t realise truthseeker was Scudamore. What do you use to treat ley line burns? Healing crystals?

  6. AntiVax July 28, 2008 at 21:07 #

    Right John, the coverup….tell me again – is it the Lizards or the Black Helicopters? Or is it the Lizards flying the Black Helicopters?

    Kev’s only argument, ad hominem. Never heard of truthseeker, is that meant to be me?

    Enjoy http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven.html

  7. Joseph July 28, 2008 at 21:20 #

    Enjoy http://www.whale.to/vaccine/va…..roven.html

    Scopie’s law notwithstanding, is that your argument? Really? It basically cites the opinion of a number of well-known anti-vaccination activists and organizations. Is that supposed to be convincing?

    There has never been any convincing research linking autism and vaccines. If we were to do an analysis of study quality in this area, we would see that studies failing to find an association are of higher quality. In fact, I would put forth that the highest quality study (given its scope, methodology and use of outside advisers including SafeMinds) is Thompson et al. (2007). You’re welcome to argue otherwise, though. Name a study of higher quality that Thompson et al. (2007) and tell us why it’s higher quality.

  8. Kev July 28, 2008 at 21:32 #

    _”Kev’s only argument, ad hominem”_

    Its not my _only_ argument John, but in your case, its the only argument I can be bothered to stretch to.

  9. ThoJ July 28, 2008 at 21:52 #

    I’m sorry, is the owner of “whale.to” bothered by ad hominem responses? Does that sound odd to anyone else?

  10. Anthony July 28, 2008 at 21:55 #

    It’s the anti-vaccine ad hominem one-way street.

  11. Ringside Seat July 28, 2008 at 22:52 #

    I think this kind of exchange is more suitable to the hatesites. If this one becomes like those, then I’m outta here.

  12. Kev July 28, 2008 at 22:58 #

    Don’t worry, the appearance of these guys is few and far between these days. I usually just delete them and ban them as I much prefer the quiet life these days :)

  13. AntiVax July 29, 2008 at 08:16 #

    You mean you ban us as we just expose your paucity of argument, mostly ad hominem abusive or ad hominem conspiracy.

    “There has never been any convincing research linking autism and vaccines.”

    You can say that as much as you want but the reality is–all your so called studies showing safety are fraudulent or designed to obfuscate http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr54.html

    While King’s article makes it pretty obvious http://www.whale.to/vaccine/king.html

    you banned me the last time when I backed you into a corner over the fraudulent measles vaccine, no evidence measles vax did anything, but loads it kills more kids than measles would be doing with or without vaccines http://www.whale.to/vaccines/measles.html

    Just one of the nasty truths about vaccination. They give you kid autism with MMR, for absolutely no reason

  14. Kev July 29, 2008 at 08:45 #

    If I banned you jackass, how come you’re still posting?

    I made a decision early this year that arguing was pointless whereas debate is valuable. Therefore I can’t be bothered arguing with you. God himself could descend from heaven with ‘vaccines don’t cause autism’ inscribed on stone tablets and you’d point to your silly site.

    As it is, you’ve posted far too many links to your site already. I’ll ask you nicely, tootle off back to la-la land, where the lizards rule and David Icke is king. Next time you do get the ban hammer. Please don’t flatter yourself its anything to do with your amazing powers of reasoning. Its not. Its because you’re an idiot and I simply can’t be bothered to try and reason with someone who thinks that dolphins can manipulate gravity

  15. AntiVax July 30, 2008 at 17:10 #

    Ad hominem abusive, conspiracy, and appeal to incredulity. Not exactly reasoning–logical fallacies.

    http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html

  16. Kev July 30, 2008 at 20:51 #

    John, you wouldn’t know a logical fallacy if it came up and kicked your silly arse.

    Do you know _why_ nobody wants to talk to you? Its because you simply cannot be reasoned with on an intellectual level. A man who hosts anti-Semitic material, material about ley lines burning his arse , levitating dolphins, lizards taking over the world, you are a total kook. At least John Stone stays in the real world.

    Off with you.

  17. Sullivan July 30, 2008 at 21:53 #

    Kev,

    thanks for the levitating dolphin link. Pretty amazing what whale.to finds credible.

  18. Joseph July 30, 2008 at 22:12 #

    all your so called studies showing safety are fraudulent or designed to obfuscate

    Is it usually the case that your links don’t support your statements, AntiVax?

    Nowhere in there did I find evidence that all studies showing safety are fraudulent or designed to obfuscate. Furthermore, you did not address Thompson et al. (2007), which is the only study I mentioned.

  19. jdc July 31, 2008 at 21:08 #

    Really excellent post. Whale and JABs are absolute comedy goldmines of woo. I’ve managed to work them into several posts on my blog. The stuff about flying dolphins (yes, really) etc is hilarious. The pages on AIDS and other medical issues are not so amusing.

    Cheers,
    jdc.

  20. D. C. Sessions August 5, 2008 at 20:16 #

    Scopie’s law notwithstanding, is that your argument? Really? It basically cites the opinion of a number of well-known anti-vaccination activists and organizations. Is that supposed to be convincing?

    Well, it convinced John anyway.

    For those who haven’t known Mr. Scudamore for the (far too many) years that I have, here’s a tip: all you will ever see him cite is the unsupported opinion of those who agree with his distinctive views. Facts are anathema; opinion is everything, and the older the better since the mists of antiquity render the Authority safe from rebuttal.

  21. D. C. Sessions August 5, 2008 at 21:09 #

    I’m sorry, is the owner of “whale.to” bothered by ad hominem responses? Does that sound odd to anyone else?

    R. Scudamore has his own definition of ad hominem, not found in any references. Years of study have not revealed any definition useful to rational minds.

    Some known properties of argumentum ad hominem Scudamorii are that:

    1) “You are a Pharma Shill, therefore nothing that you have to say can be true” is not AAHS [1].

    2) “The Authority bases his claims on a revelation to him by invisible giant rabbits. That’s not terribly persuasive,” is AAHS.

    I don’t make up the rules. I do suspect that they’re related to Watterson’s Calvinball rules, but cannot at this time support that suspicion without more study. (Shudder.)

    [1] It should be noted that “You disagree with me, therefore you are a Pharma Shill, and nothing a Pharma Shill says can be true” is not a fallacy in Scudamorian Logic.

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