Comments on: David, I am not embarrased but puzzled

By: jypsy

jypsy — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:37:47 +0000

"Does anyone else see the irony of the sanctimonious statement on misinformation" He's not the only one who can do it

By: Ms. Clark

Ms. Clark — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:22:13 +0000

Sullivan, I think your comment got released from the spam filter now.

By: The Vaccine Doctor and the Autism Mom Heroine

The Vaccine Doctor and the Autism Mom Heroine — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:05:32 +0000

[...] appeal to emotions, entitling a post Dr. Rahul K. Parikh, I Am Becoming Embarrassed For You. Kev at Left Brain/Right Brain responds with David, I am not embarrassed but puzzled. Dr. Parikh responds by listing the [...]

By: Sullivan

Sullivan — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:07:14 +0000

Does anyone else see the irony of the sanctimonious statement on misinformation

I did, but I think it’s stuck in the spam queue due to too many links!

By: isles

isles — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:41:19 +0000

Dr. Parikh’s response to Kirby:

http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=21538

My favorite passage:

“So instead of attacking the messenger, citing irrelevant science, moving the target, demanding that alternative views to theirs be squelched, or relying on slick slogans and celebrity endorsements, I would ask Mr. Kirby to clarify why he still believes vaccines cause autism, especially after we see his rationale explained in Dr. Offit’s book.”

By: Regan

Regan — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:52:29 +0000

Quoted from David Kirby,
Dr. Parikh – Please get your rhetorical ducks in a row, or refrain from participating in this discussion altogether. Misinformation is a dangerous thing.

Aka, the my way or the highway strategy.
Does anyone else see the irony of the sanctimonious statement on misinformation?

By: Sullivan

Sullivan — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:51:35 +0000

Kev, I've got to take you to task on a statement.

Autism Speaks have funded three out of twelve studies that concentrate on vaccines. I would not describe a 25% hit rate as supporting thiomersal-autism research. I would describe it exactly as Dr Parikh – ‘broader in their search’. In other words, 75% of their research is not about vaccines. That’s pretty broad.

There are 12 environmental projects, of which 25% involve vaccines. They have other projects, such as the autism genome project, and a joint epidemiology project with the CDC, a brain structure project with Eric Courchesne, as well as grants on diagnosis and treatement... It is amazing that they would pull the Autism Speaks card. But, it must be frustrating for Mr. Kirby. He was taken to task pretty thoroughly in Autism's False Prophets. It is difficult for Mr. Kirby to directly respond. Perhaps this is why he responded, instead, to Dr. Parikh? I find it amazing that Mr. Kirby can use the term "overly simplistic" in reference to Dr. Parikh after years of Mr. Kirby's overly simplistic "epidemiology" using the CDDS data. This comment

Dr. Parikh – Please get your rhetorical ducks in a row, or refrain from participating in this discussion altogether. Misinformation is a dangerous thing

Just pegs the irony meter, bending the needle in ways never before seen. We suffer so much from the misinformation of David Kirby. Mr Kirby should be thanking Dr. Offit for taking it easy on him.

By: Genny

Genny — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:46:04 +0000

I would encourage anyone Kirby invites to debate him to decline. The best strategy is to ignore Kirby. Debate real journalists and scientists. If Offit, for example, were to debate someone, it would have to be someone like Mark Noble, a scientist, but definitely not Kirby. Who does Kirby think he is?! Though, in fairness, I’d also encourage journalists not to debate Kirby since Kirby just makes things up as he goes along (witness his performance against Arthur Alle).Besides, Kirby is an incredibly boring and long-winded speaker. Ever see his power points?

By: Ringside Seat

Ringside Seat — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:16:01 +0000

Kirby only wants to debate people who will give him credibility merely by having an exchange with him.

By: kristina

kristina — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:01:54 +0000

I can’t promise for sure, Kev, but I could get you a venue to stage the debate at….....