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		<title>By: Autism Blog - &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Oldstone letter in the Omnibus docket</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism/#comment-57863</link>
		<dc:creator>Autism Blog - &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Oldstone letter in the Omnibus docket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] quality of the data coming from Dr. O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s laboratory. This is a big question. The Hornig study came out last year, an attempt to replicate Dr. Wakefield&#8217;s research. In one of the strangest [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] quality of the data coming from Dr. O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s laboratory. This is a big question. The Hornig study came out last year, an attempt to replicate Dr. Wakefield&#8217;s research. In one of the strangest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism/#comment-53259</link>
		<dc:creator>Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sullivan,

Not at all.  The part about associating an argument with a person and then attacking the person would be the ad hom part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sullivan,</p>
<p>Not at all.  The part about associating an argument with a person and then attacking the person would be the ad hom part.</p>
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		<title>By: passionlessDrone</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism/#comment-53257</link>
		<dc:creator>passionlessDrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Everyone - 

From the article:

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;One-tailed tests&lt;/b&gt; for significance were pursued unless otherwise indicated, given the study objectives of determining whether MV sequences were more likely to be found in biopsy tissues of cases than controls, as previously reported by Wakefield and colleagues and as consistent with the MMR hypothesis [1], [9]–[10]. &lt;/i&gt;

I am more than a little surprized that some of the cast of regulars here isn&#039;t interested in giving the authors a lesson in statistics.  One wonders if the authors understand even the most basic rules of statistical analysis.

- pD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everyone &#8211;<br />
From the article:</p>
<p><i><b>One-tailed tests</b> for significance were pursued unless otherwise indicated, given the study objectives of determining whether MV sequences were more likely to be found in biopsy tissues of cases than controls, as previously reported by Wakefield and colleagues and as consistent with the <span class="caps">MMR</span> hypothesis [1], [9]&#8211;[10]. </i></p>
<p>I am more than a little surprized that some of the cast of regulars here isn&#8217;t interested in giving the authors a lesson in statistics.  One wonders if the authors understand even the most basic rules of statistical analysis.</p>
<p> &#8211; pD</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism/#comment-53252</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;PS: I didn’t even notice Wakefield made the same argument. But nice try with the Ad Hom argument.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you claiming that accusing someone of using a similar argument as Dr. Wakefield is an &quot;ad hominem&quot;?

If so, it is interesting how far Dr. Wakefield&#039;s credibility has fallen, even amongst people I would expect to be his supporters.</description>
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<blockquote cite="">PS: I didn&#8217;t even notice Wakefield made the same argument. But nice try with the Ad Hom argument.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you claiming that accusing someone of using a similar argument as Dr. Wakefield is an &#8220;ad hominem&#8221;?</p>
<p>If so, it is interesting how far Dr. Wakefield&#8217;s credibility has fallen, even amongst people I would expect to be his supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism/#comment-53240</link>
		<dc:creator>Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EpiWonk,

This outlines the recommended Japanese schedule.

http://idsc.nih.go.jp/vaccine/dschedule/ImmEN_05.gif

I believe that Honda et al did not include data on the actual vaccination records of the subjects which is unfortunate, since apparently Japanese parents are required to keep accurate information in a book which is brought to all doctor visits.

Ringside seat:
You can see Mumps is on the list.  And it doesn&#039;t matter what the average numbers for the country are?  What matters is what the study group in the cohort with ASD received.  I didn&#039;t notice any such analysis in the study, which means they don&#039;t know (or I missed it).  

PS:  I didn&#039;t even notice Wakefield made the same argument.  But nice try with the Ad Hom argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EpiWonk,</p>
<p>This outlines the recommended Japanese schedule.</p>
<p><a href="http://idsc.nih.go.jp/vaccine/dschedule/ImmEN_05.gif" rel="nofollow">http://idsc.nih.go.jp/vaccine/.....mEN_05.gif</a></p>
<p>I believe that Honda et al did not include data on the actual vaccination records of the subjects which is unfortunate, since apparently Japanese parents are required to keep accurate information in a book which is brought to all doctor visits.</p>
<p>Ringside seat:<br />
You can see Mumps is on the list.  And it doesn&#8217;t matter what the average numbers for the country are?  What matters is what the study group in the cohort with <span class="caps">ASD</span> received.  I didn&#8217;t notice any such analysis in the study, which means they don&#8217;t know (or I missed it).</p>
<p>PS:  I didn&#8217;t even notice Wakefield made the same argument.  But nice try with the Ad Hom argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Ringside Seat</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism/#comment-53235</link>
		<dc:creator>Ringside Seat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Schwartz is repeating the usual Wakefield crap.  The figures are known.  WHO publish them.  Japan hardly uses mumps vaccine.  Mumps vaccine is not part of the recommended schedule, but is an optional shot that most parents don&#039;t bother with.  The Wakefield garbage about MMR still being in use, but split, is just another of his con jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schwartz is repeating the usual Wakefield crap.  The figures are known.  <span class="caps">WHO</span> publish them.  Japan hardly uses mumps vaccine.  Mumps vaccine is not part of the recommended schedule, but is an optional shot that most parents don&#8217;t bother with.  The Wakefield garbage about <span class="caps">MMR</span> still being in use, but split, is just another of his con jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Epi Wonk</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism/#comment-53234</link>
		<dc:creator>Epi Wonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Schwartz,

What &quot;background&quot; are you speaking of in your comment? I&#039;ve read the Honda et al. paper.  Are you speaking of some other &quot;background.&quot;  If so, I&#039;d be interested in some citations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schwartz,</p>
<p>What &#8220;background&#8221; are you speaking of in your comment? I&#8217;ve read the Honda et al. paper.  Are you speaking of some other &#8220;background.&#8221;  If so, I&#8217;d be interested in some citations.</p>
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		<title>By: Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism/#comment-53230</link>
		<dc:creator>Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regan,

Except that many of the children still received M, M, and R all at the same time in Japan.  How many we don&#039;t know, because they didn&#039;t measure it.

Read the background on that study before jumping to wide ranging conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regan,</p>
<p>Except that many of the children still received M, M, and R all at the same time in Japan.  How many we don&#8217;t know, because they didn&#8217;t measure it.</p>
<p>Read the background on that study before jumping to wide ranging conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism/#comment-53216</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/Vaccines/noMMR.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Autism in the absence of MMR vaccine&lt;/a&gt;
Clinical bottom line

Autism rates in Japan continued to rise after the withdrawal of MMR vaccine.
Reference
H Honda et al. No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 2005 doi: 10.1111/j.1469-7610.2005.01425.x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/Vaccines/noMMR.html" rel="nofollow">Autism in the absence of <span class="caps">MMR</span> vaccine</a><br />
Clinical bottom line</p>
<p>Autism rates in Japan continued to rise after the withdrawal of <span class="caps">MMR</span> vaccine.<br />
Reference<br />
H Honda et al. No effect of <span class="caps">MMR</span> withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 2005 doi: 10.1111/j.1469-7610.2005.01425.x</p>
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		<title>By: HCN</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/mmr-still-doesnt-cause-autism/#comment-53213</link>
		<dc:creator>HCN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Clark said &quot;But your government won’t do that study because it already knows the answer – that the MMR jab is the cause of the rise in Austim.&quot;

Since the MMR has been used in the USA since 1971, I would need lots of data to show me that your statement has any validity.  Was there a dramatic increase of autism in the USA starting in the 1970s?

What real scientific evidence do you have that the MMR vaccine is worse than measles, mumps and rubella?  And it has to be real actual factual science, something on the order of the list of papers here:
http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4026.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Clark said &#8220;But your government won&#8217;t do that study because it already knows the answer &#8211; that the <span class="caps">MMR</span> jab is the cause of the rise in Austim.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since the <span class="caps">MMR</span> has been used in the <span class="caps">USA</span> since 1971, I would need lots of data to show me that your statement has any validity.  Was there a dramatic increase of autism in the <span class="caps">USA</span> starting in the 1970s?</p>
<p>What real scientific evidence do you have that the <span class="caps">MMR</span> vaccine is worse than measles, mumps and rubella?  And it has to be real actual factual science, something on the order of the list of papers here:<br />
<a href="http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4026.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4026.pdf</a></p>
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