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		<title>By: thing12mom</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/vaccines-on-the-hill-iii/#comment-55228</link>
		<dc:creator>thing12mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirby responds to the criticism.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/10/capitol-hill-up.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirby responds to the criticism.<br />
<a href="http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/10/capitol-hill-up.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ageofautism.com/200.....ll-up.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Autism Blog - Kirby launches torpedo at Verstraeten, sinks Geier &#124; Left Brain/Right Brain</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/vaccines-on-the-hill-iii/#comment-53624</link>
		<dc:creator>Autism Blog - Kirby launches torpedo at Verstraeten, sinks Geier &#124; Left Brain/Right Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 02:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In his recent briefing on Capital Hill,&#160; David Kirby took another jab at the Verstraeten study. He tried to assert that (a) the NIEHS claimed that the Vaccine Safety Datalink was unusable for autism studies and that (b) the CDC agreed. He was incorrect, and, luckily, a staffer caught Kirby at it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In his recent briefing on Capital Hill,&#160; David Kirby took another jab at the Verstraeten study. He tried to assert that (a) the <span class="caps">NIEHS</span> claimed that the Vaccine Safety Datalink was unusable for autism studies and that (b) the <span class="caps">CDC</span> agreed. He was incorrect, and, luckily, a staffer caught Kirby at it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ham ominous</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/vaccines-on-the-hill-iii/#comment-53404</link>
		<dc:creator>ham ominous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 04:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a person planned to start an epidemic in the US by releasing a number of bacteria or viruses in order to tie up public health resources, to hospital workers or police, or just to distract and hurt people, they&#039;d be seen as a terrorist whether or not they had a political motive.  The anti-vaccine crowd are hoping for the return of epidemics. They desire them because they think they are more &quot;healthy&quot; than vaccination.  The anti-vaccine goals are different from the terrorist, but the results would be the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a person planned to start an epidemic in the US by releasing a number of bacteria or viruses in order to tie up public health resources, to hospital workers or police, or just to distract and hurt people, they&#8217;d be seen as a terrorist whether or not they had a political motive.  The anti-vaccine crowd are hoping for the return of epidemics. They desire them because they think they are more &#8220;healthy&#8221; than vaccination.  The anti-vaccine goals are different from the terrorist, but the results would be the same.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kirby (and the supposed vaccine-autism link) deconstructed, yet again</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/vaccines-on-the-hill-iii/#comment-53402</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kirby (and the supposed vaccine-autism link) deconstructed, yet again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a write-up are posted on the Age of Autism weblog. Sullivan has been posting about the hearing as Vaccines on the Hill III, Vaccines on the Hill II, and Vaccines on the Hill. Liz at I Speak of Dream noted that this latest [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a write-up are posted on the Age of Autism weblog. Sullivan has been posting about the hearing as Vaccines on the Hill <span class="caps">III</span>, Vaccines on the Hill II, and Vaccines on the Hill. Liz at I Speak of Dream noted that this latest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: notmercury</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/vaccines-on-the-hill-iii/#comment-53401</link>
		<dc:creator>notmercury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirby doesn&#039;t know what he&#039;s talking about.

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;And finally we see damage to myelin, which makes the sheath that protects the brain and the nervous system. Heavy metals have been shown to attack myelin. Myelin is implicated in other autoimmune disorders such as MS, Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s. And there is evidence of children with autism who have problems with demyelination, and there is some evidence that suggests that vaccines may be able to cause it.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

There isn&#039;t damage to myelin in the brains of autistic people, as far as we know anyway. There are a few reports of circulating anti-myelin antibodies but those are probably wrong too. So I guess any of the diseases he lists that show up on a Pubmed search for &#039;Myelin&#039; are also the result of mercury and/or vaccines? 

I guess any case of neurogliosis is really mercury poisoning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirby doesn&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s talking about.</p>
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<blockquote cite="">And finally we see damage to myelin, which makes the sheath that protects the brain and the nervous system. Heavy metals have been shown to attack myelin. Myelin is implicated in other autoimmune disorders such as MS, Parkinson&#8217;s and Alzheimer&#8217;s. And there is evidence of children with autism who have problems with demyelination, and there is some evidence that suggests that vaccines may be able to cause it.</p></blockquote>
<p>There isn&#8217;t damage to myelin in the brains of autistic people, as far as we know anyway. There are a few reports of circulating anti-myelin antibodies but those are probably wrong too. So I guess any of the diseases he lists that show up on a Pubmed search for &#8216;Myelin&#8217; are also the result of mercury and/or vaccines?</p>
<p>I guess any case of neurogliosis is really mercury poisoning?</p>
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		<title>By: Science</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/vaccines-on-the-hill-iii/#comment-53400</link>
		<dc:creator>Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ham ominous - I don&#039;t know about terrorism, but the other piece is to contrast the big and small pictures: while the mercury militia and antivax crowd represents only the tiniest fraction of society and they&#039;ve failed to break out of their extremist hit-and-run MO (the big picture), the militia leadership&#039;s lies, ignorance, and single-minded efforts to generate large amounts of revenue have caused much pain and suffering for individuals in families that have been caught in the militia web (the small picture).

We should never forget that while they bray about and beat their chests all while spinning their wheels, their lies have damaged young children and many families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ham ominous &#8211; I don&#8217;t know about terrorism, but the other piece is to contrast the big and small pictures: while the mercury militia and antivax crowd represents only the tiniest fraction of society and they&#8217;ve failed to break out of their extremist hit-and-run <span class="caps">MO </span>(the big picture), the militia leadership&#8217;s lies, ignorance, and single-minded efforts to generate large amounts of revenue have caused much pain and suffering for individuals in families that have been caught in the militia web (the small picture).</p>
<p>We should never forget that while they bray about and beat their chests all while spinning their wheels, their lies have damaged young children and many families.</p>
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		<title>By: ham ominous</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/vaccines-on-the-hill-iii/#comment-53393</link>
		<dc:creator>ham ominous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Rep Maloney should be called into accountability for her sponsoring these two clowns to make misleading statements about the vaccine program to congress.  I mean really, at what point does attacking vaccine program become domestic bio-terrorism?  Huh?  I&#039;m serious, where is that line drawn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Rep Maloney should be called into accountability for her sponsoring these two clowns to make misleading statements about the vaccine program to congress.  I mean really, at what point does attacking vaccine program become domestic bio-terrorism?  Huh?  I&#8217;m serious, where is that line drawn?</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/vaccines-on-the-hill-iii/#comment-53391</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, epiwonk.  Thank you very much for exposing this mess in the first place, by taking apart Mr. Kirby&#039;s Huffington Post pieces.

You won&#039;t find Mr Blaxill pointing out the failings of Mr. Kirby any time soon.  Here is a bit from Mr. Blaxill&#039;s acount of the day:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;I hasten to add, it wasn’t all sweetness and light. A man named Steve, who I heard was an aide to Rep. Henry Waxman, jumped in at the beginning of the Q&amp;A session to play a game of “gotcha” with a quote on one of David Kirby’s slides. He then tried to turn that into a larger smear on David’s integrity and character. I said a few words in David’s defense and he backed off. I’d like to think that the audience saw through the tactic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It wasn&#039;t a game of &quot;gotcha&quot;.  It was a quite appropriate correction of Mr. Kirby&#039;s methods.  The &quot;quotes&quot; misused by Mr. Kirby were plainly misleading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, epiwonk.  Thank you very much for exposing this mess in the first place, by taking apart Mr. Kirby&#8217;s Huffington Post pieces.</p>
<p>You won&#8217;t find Mr Blaxill pointing out the failings of Mr. Kirby any time soon.  Here is a bit from Mr. Blaxill&#8217;s acount of the day:</p>
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<blockquote cite="">I hasten to add, it wasn&#8217;t all sweetness and light. A man named Steve, who I heard was an aide to Rep. Henry Waxman, jumped in at the beginning of the Q&#038;A session to play a game of &#8220;gotcha&#8221; with a quote on one of David Kirby&#8217;s slides. He then tried to turn that into a larger smear on David&#8217;s integrity and character. I said a few words in David&#8217;s defense and he backed off. I&#8217;d like to think that the audience saw through the tactic.</p></blockquote>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t a game of &#8220;gotcha&#8221;.  It was a quite appropriate correction of Mr. Kirby&#8217;s methods.  The &#8220;quotes&#8221; misused by Mr. Kirby were plainly misleading.</p>
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		<title>By: Epi Wonk</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/vaccines-on-the-hill-iii/#comment-53389</link>
		<dc:creator>Epi Wonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some other interesting information about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/autism/docs/thimerosalexposureinpediatricvaccines102606.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NIEHS meeting on 16 Aug 2006 and subsequent report&lt;/a&gt;:

1.  In my &lt;a href=&quot;http://epiwonk.com/?p=79&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;original post on this subject&lt;/a&gt;, I mentioned that I had a long discussion on June 16th with one of the NIEHS Expert Panel Members.  She told me that the major impetus for the meeting came from SafeMinds and a couple of other &quot;mercury-autism-vaccine&quot; groups.  They wanted a meeting of independent scientists (i.e. independent of CDC) to discuss open public access to the Vaccine Data Safetylink (VSD).

2.  Take a look at the attendees/invitees at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/autism/docs/thimerosalexposureinpediatricvaccines102606.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NIEHS meeting&lt;/a&gt;.  They include: Mark Blaxill (SafeMinds), David S. Baskin (Cure Autism Now), Thomas Dooley (Mothers Against Mercury), Bobbi Manning (Advocates of Children&#039;s Health Affected by Mercury Poisoning), and Angela Medlin (Mothers Against Mercury).

My question is: Why has Mark Blaxill not stepped forward and explained that David Kirby&#039;s &quot;reporting&quot; on this issue is a complete lie?  What about these other people -- why have none of them stepped forward?  (I realize the answer is obvious.)  Meanwhile, ever since Kirby&#039;s HuffPost articles, the blogosphere is filled with know-nothings rejoicing that &quot;the CDC admitted that vaccines cause autism&quot; or &quot;Julie Gerberding admitted that vaccines cause autism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some other interesting information about the <a href="http://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/autism/docs/thimerosalexposureinpediatricvaccines102606.pdf" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">NIEHS</span> meeting on 16 Aug 2006 and subsequent report</a>:</p>
<p>1.  In my <a href="http://epiwonk.com/?p=79" rel="nofollow">original post on this subject</a>, I mentioned that I had a long discussion on June 16th with one of the <span class="caps">NIEHS </span>Expert Panel Members.  She told me that the major impetus for the meeting came from SafeMinds and a couple of other &#8220;mercury-autism-vaccine&#8221; groups.  They wanted a meeting of independent scientists (i.e. independent of <span class="caps">CDC</span>) to discuss open public access to the Vaccine Data Safetylink (VSD).</p>
<p>2.  Take a look at the attendees/invitees at the <a href="http://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/autism/docs/thimerosalexposureinpediatricvaccines102606.pdf" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">NIEHS</span> meeting</a>.  They include: Mark Blaxill (SafeMinds), David S. Baskin (Cure Autism Now), Thomas Dooley (Mothers Against Mercury), Bobbi Manning (Advocates of Children&#8217;s Health Affected by Mercury Poisoning), and Angela Medlin (Mothers Against Mercury).</p>
<p>My question is: Why has Mark Blaxill not stepped forward and explained that David Kirby&#8217;s &#8220;reporting&#8221; on this issue is a complete lie?  What about these other people&#8212;why have none of them stepped forward?  (I realize the answer is obvious.)  Meanwhile, ever since Kirby&#8217;s HuffPost articles, the blogosphere is filled with know-nothings rejoicing that &#8220;the <span class="caps">CDC</span> admitted that vaccines cause autism&#8221; or &#8220;Julie Gerberding admitted that vaccines cause autism.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: HobNobs</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/09/vaccines-on-the-hill-iii/#comment-53384</link>
		<dc:creator>HobNobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kev,

I think you are thinking of the &quot;scottish adults with autism&quot; posts.

http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=809

To my knowledge, he never corrected the AoA post.

The fact that he would leave one up with incorrect information is worse than his editing the Huffington Post blog and not noting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kev,</p>
<p>I think you are thinking of the &#8220;scottish adults with autism&#8221; posts.</p>
<p><a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=809" rel="nofollow">http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=809</a></p>
<p>To my knowledge, he never corrected the AoA post.</p>
<p>The fact that he would leave one up with incorrect information is worse than his editing the Huffington Post blog and not noting it.</p>
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