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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/11/measles-rising-thanks-to-mmrautism-idiots/#comment-54788</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I messed up that last post.  First paragraph following the indented quote was suppose to also be indented as that&#039;s CS&#039;s paragraph.

P.S. One more thing. Britain doesn&#039;t burn nearly the same amount of coal anymore. So it makes sense that their levels are going to be dropping. It takes time though as rain water leeches the mercury into rivers and takes it to the ocean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I messed up that last post.  First paragraph following the indented quote was suppose to also be indented as that&#8217;s CS&#8217;s paragraph.</p>
<p>P.S. One more thing. Britain doesn&#8217;t burn nearly the same amount of coal anymore. So it makes sense that their levels are going to be dropping. It takes time though as rain water leeches the mercury into rivers and takes it to the ocean.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/11/measles-rising-thanks-to-mmrautism-idiots/#comment-54787</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt; “Mercury is a ubiquitious mineral, and was in higher concentration in the past in fish for example than today.”

I find this incredibly hard to believe, but I am persuadable. Mainly, due to industrial uses of mercury and its discharge into the air, water and oceans. Can you point me to where I might find proof that mercury in fish was higher in the past than it is today?
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Worldwide mercury backgrounds went up when the Industrial Revolution kicked off. Coal has a lot of metals in it, including mercury, because of how it forms and it&#039;s physical state makes it difficult remove the metals prior to burning. So you get a 100 mile plume downwind of fairly high mercury, and also wide distribution.  That&#039;s why Dr. Danny Danczak mentioned just walking in the garden in England kicks up mercury, all that coal they burned. 

There are a number of rivers that have high mercury levels. Both from historical mining operations (a long time ago mercury used to be used extensively in gold mining, and just general disturbance will do it), dam reservoirs (produce a lot of methyl-mercury in the water for the first few decades),  but also naturally occurring as mercury is exposed by erosion and then methyl-mercury forms. These later ones have always existed.

The difference now is that there is a fair amount of testing so it is less likely that you are [unknowingly] consuming large amounts of mercury via fish. Certainly in developed countries but even of the larger rivers in developing countries.</description>
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<blockquote cite=""> &#8220;Mercury is a ubiquitious mineral, and was in higher concentration in the past in fish for example than today.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I find this incredibly hard to believe, but I am persuadable. Mainly, due to industrial uses of mercury and its discharge into the air, water and oceans. Can you point me to where I might find proof that mercury in fish was higher in the past than it is today?</p>
<p>Worldwide mercury backgrounds went up when the Industrial Revolution kicked off. Coal has a lot of metals in it, including mercury, because of how it forms and it&#8217;s physical state makes it difficult remove the metals prior to burning. So you get a 100 mile plume downwind of fairly high mercury, and also wide distribution.  That&#8217;s why Dr. Danny Danczak mentioned just walking in the garden in England kicks up mercury, all that coal they burned.</p>
<p>There are a number of rivers that have high mercury levels. Both from historical mining operations (a long time ago mercury used to be used extensively in gold mining, and just general disturbance will do it), dam reservoirs (produce a lot of methyl-mercury in the water for the first few decades),  but also naturally occurring as mercury is exposed by erosion and then methyl-mercury forms. These later ones have always existed.</p>
<p>The difference now is that there is a fair amount of testing so it is less likely that you are [unknowingly] consuming large amounts of mercury via fish. Certainly in developed countries but even of the larger rivers in developing countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/11/measles-rising-thanks-to-mmrautism-idiots/#comment-54786</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - MMR doesn&#039;t contain mercury. Get the right rant in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; <span class="caps">MMR</span> doesn&#8217;t contain mercury. Get the right rant in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Fryer, as an American, I can unequivocably state that the main reason the my country has such a shameful record on children&#039;s health has to do with the fact that there is no universal health care (the only industrialized nation without it) and the high rate of childhood obesity (20%).  Like Navi mentioned in an earlier post, many states do allow exemptions for religious beliefs.  At my daughter&#039;s old school, there are two children whose parents chose not to have them vaccinated (yes, they are both autistic, one pretty severely)- Please get your facts straight before you make such sweeping statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Fryer, as an American, I can unequivocably state that the main reason the my country has such a shameful record on children&#8217;s health has to do with the fact that there is no universal health care (the only industrialized nation without it) and the high rate of childhood obesity (20%).  Like Navi mentioned in an earlier post, many states do allow exemptions for religious beliefs.  At my daughter&#8217;s old school, there are two children whose parents chose not to have them vaccinated (yes, they are both autistic, one pretty severely)- Please get your facts straight before you make such sweeping statements.</p>
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		<title>By: CS</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/11/measles-rising-thanks-to-mmrautism-idiots/#comment-54784</link>
		<dc:creator>CS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mercury is a ubiquitious mineral, and was in higher concentration in the past in fish for example than today.&quot;

I find this incredibly hard to believe, but I am persuadable.  Mainly, due to industrial uses of mercury and its discharge into the air, water and oceans.  Can you point me to where I might find proof that mercury in fish was higher in the past than it is today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mercury is a ubiquitious mineral, and was in higher concentration in the past in fish for example than today.&#8221;</p>
<p>I find this incredibly hard to believe, but I am persuadable.  Mainly, due to industrial uses of mercury and its discharge into the air, water and oceans.  Can you point me to where I might find proof that mercury in fish was higher in the past than it is today?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Danny Danczak</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/11/measles-rising-thanks-to-mmrautism-idiots/#comment-54783</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Danny Danczak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote&quot; So why is everyone blaming Andrew Wakefield whose paper is only known to few people all of whom know that most researchers distanced themselves from it.&quot; 

In the UK, Wakefield was a household name for a while, national daily papers with 2 million plus circulation and four times that number of readers, (The Sun, Daily Mail)and both main news outles the BBC and ITN running storeis to 25 million folk who were frightened to death with his health scare.

Mothers laid awake nights thinking they had poisononed their child into autism, when the findings and claims published simply did not stand up to scrutiny. The biggest test bed for this theory was and is, Japan which has a large incidence of autism and NO MMR.

The whole thing was based on an alleged unethical research fraud, funded covertly by a law company that got Government money as long as there was a possibility however vague of MMR being contributory. In addition he stood to make money from a patent on a new type of anti-measles vaccination. Brian Deer&#039;s website has all this and more.

We now have measles outbreaks all over the UK and mothers ignorant at the complexity of Vaccination, witholding MMR and then spending days in hospital with their sick children. Measles is a notifiable disease in the UK and so its occurrence is easily monitored.

The Measles identification in the ASD research children was incompetent, none of them had any virus present in excess compared to unaffected children, (see Offit) and to cap it all, when the Medical Research Council took evidence and presented papers at a large meeting in 2001, he chose not to appear, claiming a political point about there being drug company representatives present.  

There is no evidence to support the presence of inreased mercury in ASD children&#039;s brains, no evidence of mercury poisoning, simply extrapolation from theoretical and unrelated clinical considerations.

Excretion loading tests using chelators are not an indication of mercury overload, and may be caused by a range of other events. not least the fact that safely stored mercury in the liver of a child may be more readily eased out by this type of drug, but is irrelevant to a diagnosis of toxicity.

Everyone is exposed to mercury in utero, walking in the garden here in the UK creates mercury vapour. Mercury is a ubiquitious mineral, and was in higher concentration in the past in fish for example than today.

The pharmacodynamics of thiomersol are such that very little mercury is retained as the compound is rapidly excreted via the kidney. It is simply not true and naive thinking, that even with injected mercury in thiomersol, all in the syringe stays in the child. Its largley gone within the hour, because of the specfic chemical structure.

The gold standard of mercury or lead poisoning is blood testing. The biggest amount of mercury given to a child in its firt year is in utero from Mum and not from any vaccine, and to cap it all, the amount of ASD diagnosed has gone UP not down since mercury was removed from vaccines.

Perhaps the best example to think about when blaming vaccination is a mother who presented two struggling kids. one had all the shots the other didn&#039;t, but developed autism at the same age. Her question was simple. Who did this then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote&#8221; So why is everyone blaming Andrew Wakefield whose paper is only known to few people all of whom know that most researchers distanced themselves from it.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the UK, Wakefield was a household name for a while, national daily papers with 2 million plus circulation and four times that number of readers, (The Sun, Daily Mail)and both main news outles the <span class="caps">BBC</span> and <span class="caps">ITN</span> running storeis to 25 million folk who were frightened to death with his health scare.</p>
<p>Mothers laid awake nights thinking they had poisononed their child into autism, when the findings and claims published simply did not stand up to scrutiny. The biggest test bed for this theory was and is, Japan which has a large incidence of autism and <span class="caps">NO MMR</span>.</p>
<p>The whole thing was based on an alleged unethical research fraud, funded covertly by a law company that got Government money as long as there was a possibility however vague of <span class="caps">MMR</span> being contributory. In addition he stood to make money from a patent on a new type of anti-measles vaccination. Brian Deer&#8217;s website has all this and more.</p>
<p>We now have measles outbreaks all over the UK and mothers ignorant at the complexity of Vaccination, witholding <span class="caps">MMR</span> and then spending days in hospital with their sick children. Measles is a notifiable disease in the UK and so its occurrence is easily monitored.</p>
<p>The Measles identification in the <span class="caps">ASD</span> research children was incompetent, none of them had any virus present in excess compared to unaffected children, (see Offit) and to cap it all, when the Medical Research Council took evidence and presented papers at a large meeting in 2001, he chose not to appear, claiming a political point about there being drug company representatives present.</p>
<p>There is no evidence to support the presence of inreased mercury in <span class="caps">ASD</span> children&#8217;s brains, no evidence of mercury poisoning, simply extrapolation from theoretical and unrelated clinical considerations.</p>
<p>Excretion loading tests using chelators are not an indication of mercury overload, and may be caused by a range of other events. not least the fact that safely stored mercury in the liver of a child may be more readily eased out by this type of drug, but is irrelevant to a diagnosis of toxicity.</p>
<p>Everyone is exposed to mercury in utero, walking in the garden here in the UK creates mercury vapour. Mercury is a ubiquitious mineral, and was in higher concentration in the past in fish for example than today.</p>
<p>The pharmacodynamics of thiomersol are such that very little mercury is retained as the compound is rapidly excreted via the kidney. It is simply not true and naive thinking, that even with injected mercury in thiomersol, all in the syringe stays in the child. Its largley gone within the hour, because of the specfic chemical structure.</p>
<p>The gold standard of mercury or lead poisoning is blood testing. The biggest amount of mercury given to a child in its firt year is in utero from Mum and not from any vaccine, and to cap it all, the amount of <span class="caps">ASD</span> diagnosed has gone UP not down since mercury was removed from vaccines.</p>
<p>Perhaps the best example to think about when blaming vaccination is a mother who presented two struggling kids. one had all the shots the other didn&#8217;t, but developed autism at the same age. Her question was simple. Who did this then?</p>
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		<title>By: a barker</title>
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		<dc:creator>a barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son was diagnosed with autism when he was 5 years old.He was taken to manchester a few years earlier where we paid for seperate vaccinations.Bang goes the mmr/autism theory cos he never had the mmr.He is beautiful and i would not change him for the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son was diagnosed with autism when he was 5 years old.He was taken to manchester a few years earlier where we paid for seperate vaccinations.Bang goes the mmr/autism theory cos he never had the mmr.He is beautiful and i would not change him for the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Navi</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/11/measles-rising-thanks-to-mmrautism-idiots/#comment-54781</link>
		<dc:creator>Navi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and one more thing. Thanks to all this mmr autism nonsense I have to remove autism from my search in order to easily find that document. So this mmr autism nonsense is taking attention away from the real problems that can be caused by vaccinations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and one more thing. Thanks to all this mmr autism nonsense I have to remove autism from my search in order to easily find that document. So this mmr autism nonsense is taking attention away from the real problems that can be caused by vaccinations.</p>
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		<title>By: Navi</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/11/measles-rising-thanks-to-mmrautism-idiots/#comment-54780</link>
		<dc:creator>Navi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and we&#039;re blaming wakefield because even though not many know about his study, his study is what started the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and we&#8217;re blaming wakefield because even though not many know about his study, his study is what started the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Navi</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/11/measles-rising-thanks-to-mmrautism-idiots/#comment-54779</link>
		<dc:creator>Navi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Fryer, the US does not do that. One state did, and gave parents an option to sign a paper in lieu of getting their kids vaccinated. If you don&#039;t want to vaccinate, most states have a waiver you can sign saying it&#039;s against your religious beliefs or against your beliefs, or you can get a Dr to sign saying you can&#039;t be vaccinated for whatever reason. So the people threatened with jail time didn&#039;t take the time to sign a piece of paper. And then most opted to vaccinate instead when pressed.

Frankly, if you&#039;re going to home school your kids, and don&#039;t take them abroad, and don&#039;t expose them to other children, you don&#039;t have to vaccinate. Their chances of getting exposed and exposing others are slim to none. If you&#039;re going to expose your kids to other kids who may or may not have real conditions that prevent them from being vaccinated when your kid doesn&#039;t, well then you should probably vaccinate. But you can opt to sign a piece of paper instead if you really have a problem with it. The &#039;omg they&#039;re forcing us to do it!&#039; complaint is a straw man. 

And the real rates of side effects are here: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-mmr.pdf 

The peds give you sheets like that so you can decide whether or not the risks are worth it for yourself before vaccinating your kid. So who&#039;s hiding evidence from whom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Fryer, the US does not do that. One state did, and gave parents an option to sign a paper in lieu of getting their kids vaccinated. If you don&#8217;t want to vaccinate, most states have a waiver you can sign saying it&#8217;s against your religious beliefs or against your beliefs, or you can get a Dr to sign saying you can&#8217;t be vaccinated for whatever reason. So the people threatened with jail time didn&#8217;t take the time to sign a piece of paper. And then most opted to vaccinate instead when pressed.</p>
<p>Frankly, if you&#8217;re going to home school your kids, and don&#8217;t take them abroad, and don&#8217;t expose them to other children, you don&#8217;t have to vaccinate. Their chances of getting exposed and exposing others are slim to none. If you&#8217;re going to expose your kids to other kids who may or may not have real conditions that prevent them from being vaccinated when your kid doesn&#8217;t, well then you should probably vaccinate. But you can opt to sign a piece of paper instead if you really have a problem with it. The &#8216;omg they&#8217;re forcing us to do it!&#8217; complaint is a straw man.</p>
<p>And the real rates of side effects are here: <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-mmr.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pu.....is-mmr.pdf</a></p>
<p>The peds give you sheets like that so you can decide whether or not the risks are worth it for yourself before vaccinating your kid. So who&#8217;s hiding evidence from whom?</p>
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