Comments on: Brian Deer, not a complainant

By: Evil Possum

Evil Possum — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 06:16:45 +0000

“the proponents consistently, and I mean CONSISTENTLY, “All it would take to convince me is….”, and when it is finally presented, they want something else. Consistently. Ad nauseum. Over and over again.”

Reminds me of a complaint from an inventor, something like: “First they’ll say it can’t be done. Then when you do it, they’ll complain it can’t peel pineapples.”

By: Drasties - Dutch on the World - World on the Dutch

Drasties - Dutch on the World - World on the Dutch — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 03:30:29 +0000

[...] in the world for having an alleged conflict of interest in the Wakefield investigation himself. He did not, as it turns out; the allegation proved false, but not before anti-vaccine bullies at HuffPo and the Age of Autism [...]

By: AltMed Support for Wakefield Continues « jdc325’s Weblog

AltMed Support for Wakefield Continues « jdc325’s Weblog — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:53:25 +0000

[...] LeftBrain/RightBrain for more on this allegation here. It has been made clear to all parties that Deer’s role is that of informant rather than [...]

By: David N. Andrews M. Ed. (Distinction)

David N. Andrews M. Ed. (Distinction) — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:41:03 +0000

“[I notice there is someone with a similar name to mine in the comments—David N. Andrews—we are not the same person]”

Indeed we’re not… and we’d be a bit buggered if we were…. :)

By: Daniel J. Andrew

Daniel J. Andrew — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:11:29 +0000

One Queer Fish

Kev’a assertion that there’s not enough evidence to satisfy all is based on the history of the actions of “true believers”. Give them the evidence they demand, and they say it doesn’t answer the question, and they want more. Give them that and they change their argument.

From flat-earthers to creationists to anti-vacciners to climate-change denialists to moon-landing hoaxers to 9/11ers to JFKers to pretty much any other conspiracy theory you can think of, the proponents consistently, and I mean CONSISTENTLY, “All it would take to convince me is….”, and when it is finally presented, they want something else. Consistently. Ad nauseum. Over and over again. It is called “Moving the Goalposts”.

Producing the letters would not silence the critics at all. They’d follow the formulaic actions of other true believers. The fact that you say you personally would be satisfied with the letters from Judge Eady makes you an extreme rarity, and it is refreshing to meet someone like you.

[I notice there is someone with a similar name to mine in the comments—David N. Andrews—we are not the same person]

By: Matrk

Matrk — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:58:46 +0000

Mr Fish
Brian Can’t and Won’t publish these.
you dribbling fool
(what do think brian?? any good)
just print the stuff from Judge Eady.

By: century

century — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:11:12 +0000

Brian Deer said

“Ah, yes, this is the one where some crank..”

Thanks Brian.

Your usual reply ;-)

By: Joseph

Joseph — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:50:25 +0000

Yes, it’s a never ending story with fish and Stone.

After all, the letter Brian Deer did produce was at your request, was it not Fish?

I think the best course of action is to sit, relax and be patient. The GMC will come out with a verdict in the following months. The GMC’s verdict will be entirely based on evidence verified by the GMC. It can’t be any other way. Whether Brian Deer is a complainant, informant, or a helper to Santa Claus, won’t matter at all.

I do hope they either rule on Wakefield’s alleged scientific fraud, or they produce the evidence of said fraud and recommend a new investigation.

By: One Queer Fish

One Queer Fish — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:12:56 +0000

Kev

not exactly true i would settle with the Judge Eady complaints (if they are that),is it not the way forward to publish the Eady Letters and silence the critics,very simple answer to all.. if i were in Mr Deers position thats the way forward ..

By: Kev

Kev — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:08:32 +0000

OQF: of course that wouldn’t silence you. They could be produced and you would want something else. That could be produced and you’d want something else.

The MMR/autism belief is not something that you reasoned yourself into. Therefore you cannot be reasoned with or out of those beliefs .

I have no idea what it would really take. I don’t think there is enough evidence in Heaven and Earth.