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		<title>By: Science-Based Medicine &#187; The incredible shrinking vaccine-autism hypothesis shrinks some more</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/02/did-you-think-that-was-it-more-mmr-bull-arrives/#comment-57285</link>
		<dc:creator>Science-Based Medicine &#187; The incredible shrinking vaccine-autism hypothesis shrinks some more</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is about pervasive developmental delay (PDD). The difference is more than a matter of semantics, as Kev points out. PDD is not the same thing as PDD-NOS. In fact, the ruling itself makes this point very, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is about pervasive developmental delay (PDD). The difference is more than a matter of semantics, as Kev points out. <span class="caps">PDD</span> is not the same thing as <span class="caps">PDD</span>-NOS. In fact, the ruling itself makes this point very, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/02/did-you-think-that-was-it-more-mmr-bull-arrives/#comment-57234</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;WTF are you talking about? Are you aware of anyone outside the antivax community that does?&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, many people.  Not everyone who questions the safety of vaccinations is &quot;antivax&quot;.  

&lt;i&gt; I’m afraid its you whos twisting the words. PDD is not interchangeable with Pdd-NOS. I once again point you to the title of the SM’s ruling. “Non-autistic developmental delay” I mean, what is it you’re not getting in that?&lt;/i&gt;

From the ruling, page 2, footnote 4:

Pervasive Developmental Delay describes a class of conditions, and it is apparent from the record that the parties and the medical records are referring to Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (“PDDNOS”) ... In the interest of consistency, the Court will follow the convention adhered to by the medical records and by the parties in this case, and this condition will be referred to herein as “PDD”.

So when the special master uses the term PDD he is referring to PDD-NOS.

PDD-NOS is a diagnosis of autism (unless it is being used in reference to either Rett&#039;s or CDD, which does not seem to be the case). 

If you actually read the ruling the title may be &quot;Non-autistic developmental delay&quot; but the diagnosis is still PDD-NOS.  The special master says on page 27 that the petitioner has met the burden of proof.  

One of these things is not like the other.

Do you think that there is a non-autistic form of PDD-NOS?  Or do you believe, as the special master seems to be imply, that since the cause is known we are no longer talking about autism?  Or is it still the general form of PDD that does not refer to any one its subtypes yet is still PDD?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><span class="caps">WTF</span> are you talking about? Are you aware of anyone outside the antivax community that does?</i></p>
<p>Yes, many people.  Not everyone who questions the safety of vaccinations is &#8220;antivax&#8221;.</p>
<p><i> I&#8217;m afraid its you whos twisting the words. <span class="caps">PDD</span> is not interchangeable with Pdd-NOS. I once again point you to the title of the SM&#8217;s ruling. &#8220;Non-autistic developmental delay&#8221; I mean, what is it you&#8217;re not getting in that?</i></p>
<p>From the ruling, page 2, footnote 4:</p>
<p>Pervasive Developmental Delay describes a class of conditions, and it is apparent from the record that the parties and the medical records are referring to Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (&#8220;PDDNOS&#8221;) ... In the interest of consistency, the Court will follow the convention adhered to by the medical records and by the parties in this case, and this condition will be referred to herein as &#8220;PDD&#8221;.</p>
<p>So when the special master uses the term <span class="caps">PDD</span> he is referring to <span class="caps">PDD</span>-NOS.</p>
<p><span class="caps">PDD</span>-NOS is a diagnosis of autism (unless it is being used in reference to either Rett&#8217;s or <span class="caps">CDD</span>, which does not seem to be the case).</p>
<p>If you actually read the ruling the title may be &#8220;Non-autistic developmental delay&#8221; but the diagnosis is still <span class="caps">PDD</span>-NOS.  The special master says on page 27 that the petitioner has met the burden of proof.</p>
<p>One of these things is not like the other.</p>
<p>Do you think that there is a non-autistic form of <span class="caps">PDD</span>-NOS?  Or do you believe, as the special master seems to be imply, that since the cause is known we are no longer talking about autism?  Or is it still the general form of <span class="caps">PDD</span> that does not refer to any one its subtypes yet is still <span class="caps">PDD</span>?</p>
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		<title>By: alyric</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/02/did-you-think-that-was-it-more-mmr-bull-arrives/#comment-57211</link>
		<dc:creator>alyric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Could so many children be MISdiagnosed as having autism when really they have a condition that resulted from a fever not genetics?&quot;

No because ADEM is too rare to put a blip in autism prevalence.  What do you think a rate of 1-2 per million is going to do?

The pathetic thing about this full page ad the GR bought was they had to lie in it.    You can see it quite prominently, where they had to add [autism] to the words of the decision.  PDD really is just that - a global developmental delay and is not an ASD diagnostic category.  That had to hurt, one lie already.   But they really lied to the American public twice more.   No where did they mention the rarity of ADEM and why it&#039;s so irrelevant to autism.  That&#039;s misleading to the point of telling very big fibs.  Finally, they did not say that ADEM has a very unique MRI profile, which is not shared in the slightest by autism.   That is more serious misrepresentation of the facts.

So, that&#039;s a lot of lies for one ad.  I thought there were laws in the US regarding truth in advertising?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Could so many children be MISdiagnosed as having autism when really they have a condition that resulted from a fever not genetics?&#8221;</p>
<p>No because <span class="caps">ADEM</span> is too rare to put a blip in autism prevalence.  What do you think a rate of 1-2 per million is going to do?</p>
<p>The pathetic thing about this full page ad the GR bought was they had to lie in it.    You can see it quite prominently, where they had to add [autism] to the words of the decision.  <span class="caps">PDD</span> really is just that &#8211; a global developmental delay and is not an <span class="caps">ASD</span> diagnostic category.  That had to hurt, one lie already.   But they really lied to the American public twice more.   No where did they mention the rarity of <span class="caps">ADEM</span> and why it&#8217;s so irrelevant to autism.  That&#8217;s misleading to the point of telling very big fibs.  Finally, they did not say that <span class="caps">ADEM</span> has a very unique <span class="caps">MRI</span> profile, which is not shared in the slightest by autism.   That is more serious misrepresentation of the facts.</p>
<p>So, that&#8217;s a lot of lies for one ad.  I thought there were laws in the US regarding truth in advertising?</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/02/did-you-think-that-was-it-more-mmr-bull-arrives/#comment-57209</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot; &gt;PDD-NOS= Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Not Otherwise Specified. It is on the Autism Spectrum along with Autism and Aspergers. Could it be that the huge increase in the diagnosis of Autism could really be ADEM associated with vaccines? Could so many children be MISdiagnosed as having autism when really they have a condition that resulted from a fever not genetics?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Except that people have performed epidemiology on the MMR vaccine looking for an increase in autism and haven&#039;t found it.

Except that ADEM is detectable by MRI.

&quot;T2-weighted, proton-density, or echo-planar trace diffusion MRI techniques disclose high-signal lesions in more than 80-90% of cases of ADEM.&quot;

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1147044-diagnosis

Unless there are a lot of kids out there with misinterpreted MRI scans, I&#039;d say that the chances that ADEM is behind the &quot;epidemic&quot; are slim.</description>
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<blockquote cite="" ><span class="caps">PDD</span>-NOS= Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Not Otherwise Specified. It is on the Autism Spectrum along with Autism and Aspergers. Could it be that the huge increase in the diagnosis of Autism could really be <span class="caps">ADEM</span> associated with vaccines? Could so many children be MISdiagnosed as having autism when really they have a condition that resulted from a fever not genetics?</p></blockquote>
<p>Except that people have performed epidemiology on the <span class="caps">MMR</span> vaccine looking for an increase in autism and haven&#8217;t found it.</p>
<p>Except that <span class="caps">ADEM</span> is detectable by <span class="caps">MRI</span>.</p>
<p>&#8220;T2-weighted, proton-density, or echo-planar trace diffusion <span class="caps">MRI</span> techniques disclose high-signal lesions in more than 80-90% of cases of <span class="caps">ADEM</span>.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1147044-diagnosis" rel="nofollow">http://emedicine.medscape.com/.....-diagnosis</a></p>
<p>Unless there are a lot of kids out there with misinterpreted <span class="caps">MRI</span> scans, I&#8217;d say that the chances that <span class="caps">ADEM</span> is behind the &#8220;epidemic&#8221; are slim.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/02/did-you-think-that-was-it-more-mmr-bull-arrives/#comment-57203</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suzie - I own this blog. My daughter is autistic. Vaccines don&#039;t cause autism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzie &#8211; I own this blog. My daughter is autistic. Vaccines don&#8217;t cause autism.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ah, obvious. Which part of the hearing about her case are you referring to? Because from the use of the word “presented” it is clear you are talking about there being an opportunity for science to be presented. And I was not aware of science presentation – or even any hearings on the evidence for that matter.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you joking? I&#039;m talking about the case report co-authored by her father. By presented I mean &#039;put forward&#039; by anyone.

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot; &gt;So you have taken a poll of the rest of the world and determined that they are all in agreement with you? That didn’t take you long.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

WTF are you talking about? Are you aware of anyone outside the antivax community that does?

MJ - I&#039;m afraid its you whos twisting the words. PDD is not interchangeable with Pdd-NOS. I once again point you to the title of the SM&#039;s ruling. &quot;Non-autistic developmental delay&quot; I mean, what is it you&#039;re not getting in that?</description>
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<blockquote>Ah, obvious. Which part of the hearing about her case are you referring to? Because from the use of the word &#8220;presented&#8221; it is clear you are talking about there being an opportunity for science to be presented. And I was not aware of science presentation &#8211; or even any hearings on the evidence for that matter.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you joking? I&#8217;m talking about the case report co-authored by her father. By presented I mean &#8216;put forward&#8217; by anyone.</p>
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<blockquote cite="" >So you have taken a poll of the rest of the world and determined that they are all in agreement with you? That didn&#8217;t take you long.</p></blockquote>
<p><span class="caps">WTF</span> are you talking about? Are you aware of anyone outside the antivax community that does?</p>
<p><span class="caps">MJ </span>- I&#8217;m afraid its you whos twisting the words. <span class="caps">PDD</span> is not interchangeable with Pdd-NOS. I once again point you to the title of the SM&#8217;s ruling. &#8220;Non-autistic developmental delay&#8221; I mean, what is it you&#8217;re not getting in that?</p>
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		<title>By: Janice Miller</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/02/did-you-think-that-was-it-more-mmr-bull-arrives/#comment-57200</link>
		<dc:creator>Janice Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PDD-NOS= Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Not Otherwise Specified. It is on the Autism Spectrum along with Autism and Aspergers. Could it be that the huge increase in the diagnosis of Autism could really be ADEM associated with vaccines? Could so many children be MISdiagnosed as having autism when really they have a condition that resulted from a fever not genetics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="caps">PDD</span>-NOS= Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Not Otherwise Specified. It is on the Autism Spectrum along with Autism and Aspergers. Could it be that the huge increase in the diagnosis of Autism could really be <span class="caps">ADEM</span> associated with vaccines? Could so many children be MISdiagnosed as having autism when really they have a condition that resulted from a fever not genetics?</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/02/did-you-think-that-was-it-more-mmr-bull-arrives/#comment-57178</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 05:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot; &gt;i am amazed with people. do any of the people commenting here have a medical degree???

I doubt it.

do you not think the pharm. cos and the Govt use “spin”?

everyone uses words to bend it a little i n their direction.

i think it is great that generation rescue (not jenny and jim – but a foundation they started and help with respectively) is trying to help children.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just for consistency sake, shouldn&#039;t &quot;jenny and jim&quot; have a medical degree?  Or is it just the people with whom you disagree that need medical degrees?</description>
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<blockquote cite="" >i am amazed with people. do any of the people commenting here have a medical degree???</p></blockquote>
<p>I doubt it.</p>
<p>do you not think the pharm. cos and the Govt use &#8220;spin&#8221;?</p>
<p>everyone uses words to bend it a little i n their direction.</p>
<p>i think it is great that generation rescue (not jenny and jim &#8211; but a foundation they started and help with respectively) is trying to help children.</p>
<p>Just for consistency sake, shouldn&#8217;t &#8220;jenny and jim&#8221; have a medical degree?  Or is it just the people with whom you disagree that need medical degrees?</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/02/did-you-think-that-was-it-more-mmr-bull-arrives/#comment-57177</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 05:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot; &gt;Emerging evidence suggests that mitochondrial dysfunction may not be rare at all among children with autism. In the only population-based study of its kind, Portuguese researchers confirmed that at least 7.2 percent, and perhaps as many as 20 percent, of autistic children exhibit mitochondrial dysfunction. While we do not yet know a precise U.S. rate, 7.2 percent to 20 percent of children does not qualify as “rare.” In fact, mitochondrial dysfunction may be the most common medical condition associated with autism.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A very interesting fact from that study--only one of the children studied underwent regression.

Mitochondrial disease/dysfunction does &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; mean regression or vaccine injury.

That&#039;s a minor factoid that David Kirby conveniently neglects to mention.</description>
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<blockquote cite="" >Emerging evidence suggests that mitochondrial dysfunction may not be rare at all among children with autism. In the only population-based study of its kind, Portuguese researchers confirmed that at least 7.2 percent, and perhaps as many as 20 percent, of autistic children exhibit mitochondrial dysfunction. While we do not yet know a precise U.S. rate, 7.2 percent to 20 percent of children does not qualify as &#8220;rare.&#8221; In fact, mitochondrial dysfunction may be the most common medical condition associated with autism.
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<p>A very interesting fact from that study&#8212;only one of the children studied underwent regression.</p>
<p>Mitochondrial disease/dysfunction does <strong>not</strong> mean regression or vaccine injury.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a minor factoid that David Kirby conveniently neglects to mention.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 05:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MJ,

I just went through the spam-trap and knocked a bunch of comments loose.

Sorry for the delay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJ,</p>
<p>I just went through the spam-trap and knocked a bunch of comments loose.</p>
<p>Sorry for the delay.</p>
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