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		<title>By: me.yahoo.com/a/TuRz.joYnfzpKUWMPSYwTtN6HTLFunmLzPblUMkn</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/04/putting-a-price-on-life/#comment-58477</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.
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&quot;it will be a sad day when society deems some of its members to expensive.&quot;
Unfotunately you are probably out of touch with UK government policy. The whole reason for ultra-sound ante-natal screening in the UK is to detect and abort Down`s syndrome fetuses because of the cost of caring for Down`s syndrome in the community.That is the brutal truth of the matter coming from a Consultant in Fetal Medicine. The discovery of other fetal abnormalities is secondary.</description>
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<p>&#8220;it will be a sad day when society deems some of its members to expensive.&#8221;<br />
Unfotunately you are probably out of touch with UK government policy. The whole reason for ultra-sound ante-natal screening in the UK is to detect and abort Down`s syndrome fetuses because of the cost of caring for Down`s syndrome in the community.That is the brutal truth of the matter coming from a Consultant in Fetal Medicine. The discovery of other fetal abnormalities is secondary.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/04/putting-a-price-on-life/#comment-58472</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offence here. I totally agree.</description>
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		<title>By: dealingwiththeday</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/04/putting-a-price-on-life/#comment-58471</link>
		<dc:creator>dealingwiththeday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always get an uneasy feeling when people start to count the cost of any disability because there will always be someone of the opinion that it is too much. It goes without saying that better educational provision for children with autism is the way forward, but this should also extend into adulthood, we never stop learning, regardless of the presence of autism. As our children grow up and try to find their place in the world it is obvious that some will need more help than others. To put a price on the life of anyone is questionable, to put a price on the lives of the vulnerable is close to obscene.  In one way or another, as parents we forfeit parts of our lives for our children willingly, regardless of success or failure on the child&#039;s behalf, it will be a sad day when society deems some of its members to expensive.    My apologies if I have offended anyone, this is a personal response to an excellent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always get an uneasy feeling when people start to count the cost of any disability because there will always be someone of the opinion that it is too much. It goes without saying that better educational provision for children with autism is the way forward, but this should also extend into adulthood, we never stop learning, regardless of the presence of autism. As our children grow up and try to find their place in the world it is obvious that some will need more help than others. To put a price on the life of anyone is questionable, to put a price on the lives of the vulnerable is close to obscene.  In one way or another, as parents we forfeit parts of our lives for our children willingly, regardless of success or failure on the child&#8217;s behalf, it will be a sad day when society deems some of its members to expensive.    My apologies if I have offended anyone, this is a personal response to an excellent post.</p>
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		<title>By: kyngdingxx</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/04/putting-a-price-on-life/#comment-58467</link>
		<dc:creator>kyngdingxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like this backlash at the discussion of facts about economic consequences of a condition.  Circumstances such as these shouldn&#039;t be ignored.  It&#039;s not acceptable to condemn the information when it is discussed in regards to the need for effective early intervention to abate this dire economic situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like this backlash at the discussion of facts about economic consequences of a condition.  Circumstances such as these shouldn&#8217;t be ignored.  It&#8217;s not acceptable to condemn the information when it is discussed in regards to the need for effective early intervention to abate this dire economic situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Madeline Mcewen-Asker</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/04/putting-a-price-on-life/#comment-58464</link>
		<dc:creator>Madeline Mcewen-Asker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems useful to know current costs as a means of planning for the future, but I&#039;d be interested to know how they arrived at those figures?

Also I would be more interesting to find out whether if more money is spent whilst children are young then how much might potentially be saved in the future.

However, that said there will always be people and families who need greater care and there is no question in my mind that it is our collective responsibility to help them, autistic or otherwise.
Best wishes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems useful to know current costs as a means of planning for the future, but I&#8217;d be interested to know how they arrived at those figures?</p>
<p>Also I would be more interesting to find out whether if more money is spent whilst children are young then how much might potentially be saved in the future.</p>
<p>However, that said there will always be people and families who need greater care and there is no question in my mind that it is our collective responsibility to help them, autistic or otherwise.<br />
Best wishes</p>
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		<title>By: david.andrews.ed.psych</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/04/putting-a-price-on-life/#comment-58463</link>
		<dc:creator>david.andrews.ed.psych</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fw2: &quot;Not the right that autistics seem to want them to have…. To be completely dependant on someone else.&quot;

straw man. stop doing that. you make yourself look ridiculous.

&quot;Autistics… want to be treated as “special”. That they shouldn’t have to go to school, work and live independantly.&quot;

i don&#039;t think I&#039;ve seen a single autistic person say that, or even hint at it! you love your stupid lies, don&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fw2: &#8220;Not the right that autistics seem to want them to have&#8230;. To be completely dependant on someone else.&#8221;</p>
<p>straw man. stop doing that. you make yourself look ridiculous.</p>
<p>&#8220;Autistics&#8230; want to be treated as &#8220;special&#8221;. That they shouldn&#8217;t have to go to school, work and live independantly.&#8221;</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve seen a single autistic person say that, or even hint at it! you love your stupid lies, don&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: joeyandymom</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/04/putting-a-price-on-life/#comment-58462</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignorance and dependence is always more expensive than education and independence. We didn&#039;t need a study to tell us that. 

What we may need a study for is to prove to those with the purse strings that ignorance and dependence is always more expensive than education and independence. If you want special education funded, there are ignorant people who need the numbers in front o them to say, &quot;Oh. Right. Maybe we should fund these supports.&quot; Yes, that is sad. 

So I&#039;d like to see why this study is not a study to present to ignorant board members in order to get appropriate funding for educational and support programs, and is instead something against services for adults, or intended to somehow hang a price tag upon their lives? (And I&#039;m sure you have this implication somewhere, or you wouldn&#039;t be posting this.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignorance and dependence is always more expensive than education and independence. We didn&#8217;t need a study to tell us that.</p>
<p>What we may need a study for is to prove to those with the purse strings that ignorance and dependence is always more expensive than education and independence. If you want special education funded, there are ignorant people who need the numbers in front o them to say, &#8220;Oh. Right. Maybe we should fund these supports.&#8221; Yes, that is sad.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;d like to see why this study is not a study to present to ignorant board members in order to get appropriate funding for educational and support programs, and is instead something against services for adults, or intended to somehow hang a price tag upon their lives? (And I&#8217;m sure you have this implication somewhere, or you wouldn&#8217;t be posting this.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/04/putting-a-price-on-life/#comment-58459</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Since when is an education and learning independant living skills – Nazism??&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since when did anyone say they were?</description>
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<blockquote>Since when is an education and learning independant living skills &#8211; Nazism??</p></blockquote>
<p>Since when did anyone say they were?</p>
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		<title>By: me.yahoo.com/a/TuRz.joYnfzpKUWMPSYwTtN6HTLFunmLzPblUMkn</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/04/putting-a-price-on-life/#comment-58458</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.
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What does the Universal Declaration of Human Rights say about terminating pregnancies should the fetus have autism genes should autism genes ever be found i.e. compared to Down`s syndrome screening.It must be an anticipated discovery and will not be too dissimilar to eugenics.
It seems sensible to cost the care of someone with autism. Each patient will require $ 3,000,000 worth of care in their lifetime. 
The U.S.A. spends $ 35,000,000,000 on care for A.D. per year. Novel treatments will increase the expenditure further.
http://www.rxpgnews.com/medicalnews/healthcare/usa/article_4171.shtml
As one mother said of the cost of her son`s care:
“We keep on sending Daniel to Harvard every year for the rest of his life”</description>
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<p>What does the Universal Declaration of Human Rights say about terminating pregnancies should the fetus have autism genes should autism genes ever be found i.e. compared to Down`s syndrome screening.It must be an anticipated discovery and will not be too dissimilar to eugenics.<br />
It seems sensible to cost the care of someone with autism. Each patient will require $ 3,000,000 worth of care in their lifetime.<br />
The U.S.A. spends $ 35,000,000,000 on care for A.D. per year. Novel treatments will increase the expenditure further.<br />
<a href="http://www.rxpgnews.com/medicalnews/healthcare/usa/article_4171.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.rxpgnews.com/medica.....4171.shtml</a><br />
As one mother said of the cost of her son`s care:<br />
&#8220;We keep on sending Daniel to Harvard every year for the rest of his life&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While such estimates could be fact-based (though the ones I&#039;ve read contain errors and omissions) I don&#039;t think they are ethical.

Has anyone ever come up with an estimate of how much women cost the economy?

Women earn less than men. Some women are house wives and don&#039;t have regular employment, in some countries more than others. It would be trivial to ask the question: What if all women were men? What would it mean in terms of dollars and cents?

(Of course, I&#039;m not being serious. Examples like that are sometimes necessary to illustrate discrimination in terms that most people understand.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While such estimates could be fact-based (though the ones I&#8217;ve read contain errors and omissions) I don&#8217;t think they are ethical.</p>
<p>Has anyone ever come up with an estimate of how much women cost the economy?</p>
<p>Women earn less than men. Some women are house wives and don&#8217;t have regular employment, in some countries more than others. It would be trivial to ask the question: What if all women were men? What would it mean in terms of dollars and cents?</p>
<p>(Of course, I&#8217;m not being serious. Examples like that are sometimes necessary to illustrate discrimination in terms that most people understand.)</p>
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