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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/05/jenny-mccarthys-son-was-never-autistic/#comment-460327</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 03:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sel 
January 26th, 2010
18:16:39,  The vast majority of veterinarians recommend a whole series of vaccines for pups. After that they comply with local regulations on how often Rabies vaccines are required [every 1 or 3 years].  The diseases that are prevalent in the area helps to guide the rest of their recommendations. It is a very small minority of veterinarians that jumped on the anti-vaccine bandwagon for whatever reason[s]; i.e. the veterinarians did not start this modern version of  naturalistic-fallacy-based medicine. Please do not use veterinarians as your iron-clad proof that vaccines are unhealthy etc.</description>
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January 26th, 2010<br />
18:16:39,  The vast majority of veterinarians recommend a whole series of vaccines for pups. After that they comply with local regulations on how often Rabies vaccines are required [every 1 or 3 years].  The diseases that are prevalent in the area helps to guide the rest of their recommendations. It is a very small minority of veterinarians that jumped on the anti-vaccine bandwagon for whatever reason[s]; i.e. the veterinarians did not start this modern version of  naturalistic-fallacy-based medicine. Please do not use veterinarians as your iron-clad proof that vaccines are unhealthy etc.</p>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/05/jenny-mccarthys-son-was-never-autistic/#comment-455953</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to above: Don&#039;t know why I called Evan &quot;Ryan&quot; at one point in the above post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to above: Don&#8217;t know why I called Evan &#8220;Ryan&#8221; at one point in the above post.</p>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/05/jenny-mccarthys-son-was-never-autistic/#comment-455947</link>
		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel really sorry that Evan is going to read that some day.

I have a presentation for the third-year behaviour analysis class (and sometimes abnormal psych) which includes an update of my lad&#039;s progress to date for illustration. I have given it every year since he was two, and that first presentation was based on a presentation I wrote when he was 12months old and I used him as demo-boy for a comparative psych lecture. He will be 8 this year.

Each year when I pull it out I am amazed at his progress, and amazed at how my memory telescopes, at what I forget (both high and low points).  Jenny&#039;s changing story is perfectly normal, particularly if she didn&#039;t have some reference point to anchor Evan&#039;s first seizure to. 

However, it does look like there was nothing at all related to the MMR vaccination. From what is available, the narrative looks to have been largely constructed retroactively when the book came out. Either that, or there was some serious denial/cog dis going on for a few years.

Maybe we can put the extremely offensive stolen soul claim to rest. Jenny has given us a time window for Evan&#039;s disappearing soul - up to a couple of months after his MMR. According to Wiki, that should have occurred by 15 months, so giving her the benefit of the doubt, let&#039;s say Evan&#039;s soul &#039;disappeared&#039; before he was two. That would be mid 2004. 

According to Time magazine, Ryan got a diagnosis of Autism in May 2005. The last link below does sort of indicate that it took a while to get a &#039;proper&#039; diagnosis of autism. Which may just reflect that you can only get a provisional diagnosis before the age of three, under the current DSM-IVR. So the May 2005 dx date fits in almost perfectly (Evan was born in May 2002).

But throughout 2006 Jenny was flogging her book &quot;Life Laughs&quot;, during which she wore a T-Shirt advertising her IndigoMoms website:
http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-55744.html

In addition to running her own website, she wrote an article about being an Indigo Mom of a Crystal child:
http://childrenofthenewearth.com/free.php?page=articles_free/mccarthy_jenny/article1
in which she stated: &lt;blockquote&gt;I knew immediately that changing education in schools was my global life mission.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And finally in December 2006 she was interviewed by TVGuide, again not only mentioning Evan, but noting that she is in the process of writing her next book:
http://www.tvguide.com/news/Jenny-McCarthy-Asks-40781.aspx

&lt;blockquote&gt;TVGuide.com: How much are you enjoying the writing thing?
McCarthy: Oh, I love it. I absolutely love it. I have a couple of different things in the works, which you&#039;ll see soon.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then in 2007, the &quot;next book&quot; comes out in September: &quot;Louder Than Words&quot;. A new round of publicity ensues, the IndigoMoms website is pulled, and in a new interview, the last few years are rewritten as heart-wrenching:
http://www.pr.com/article/1076
And her new life&#039;s mission: &lt;blockquote&gt;When this happened, when Evan got the diagnosis, I knew immediately deep down within me, that I was literally supposed to be the one to come out about Autism and just kind of spread the message to the world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Frankly I don&#039;t quite know what to make of it.

If she got a life&#039;s mission to spread the word about vaccines and autism in 2005 (with the dx), why state her life&#039;s mission as changing education in schools in 2006, before finally going over the top in 2007. There seemed to be nothing wrong with Evan&#039;s soul when he was a Crystal child through to 2006.

I suspect Jenny was either not aware of the full impact of Autism early on, or thought it was more easily &quot;fixed&quot; than it turned out to be. She may have been expecting Evan to be treated and &quot;over&quot; it soon at the time she was flogging her Last Laugh, and may not have planned to go public at all - she had written all those &quot;mommy books&quot; and branded herself as a comedienne. When the cure didn&#039;t happen she may have lost the plot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel really sorry that Evan is going to read that some day.</p>
<p>I have a presentation for the third-year behaviour analysis class (and sometimes abnormal psych) which includes an update of my lad&#8217;s progress to date for illustration. I have given it every year since he was two, and that first presentation was based on a presentation I wrote when he was 12months old and I used him as demo-boy for a comparative psych lecture. He will be 8 this year.</p>
<p>Each year when I pull it out I am amazed at his progress, and amazed at how my memory telescopes, at what I forget (both high and low points).  Jenny&#8217;s changing story is perfectly normal, particularly if she didn&#8217;t have some reference point to anchor Evan&#8217;s first seizure to.</p>
<p>However, it does look like there was nothing at all related to the <span class="caps">MMR</span> vaccination. From what is available, the narrative looks to have been largely constructed retroactively when the book came out. Either that, or there was some serious denial/cog dis going on for a few years.</p>
<p>Maybe we can put the extremely offensive stolen soul claim to rest. Jenny has given us a time window for Evan&#8217;s disappearing soul &#8211; up to a couple of months after his <span class="caps">MMR</span>. According to Wiki, that should have occurred by 15 months, so giving her the benefit of the doubt, let&#8217;s say Evan&#8217;s soul &#8216;disappeared&#8217; before he was two. That would be mid 2004.</p>
<p>According to Time magazine, Ryan got a diagnosis of Autism in May 2005. The last link below does sort of indicate that it took a while to get a &#8216;proper&#8217; diagnosis of autism. Which may just reflect that you can only get a provisional diagnosis before the age of three, under the current <span class="caps">DSM</span>-IVR. So the May 2005 dx date fits in almost perfectly (Evan was born in May 2002).</p>
<p>But throughout 2006 Jenny was flogging her book &#8220;Life Laughs&#8221;, during which she wore a T-Shirt advertising her IndigoMoms website:<br />
<a href="http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-55744.html" rel="nofollow">http://forums.randi.org/archiv.....55744.html</a></p>
<p>In addition to running her own website, she wrote an article about being an Indigo Mom of a Crystal child:<br />
<a href="http://childrenofthenewearth.com/free.php?page=articles_free/mccarthy_jenny/article1" rel="nofollow">http://childrenofthenewearth.c.....y/article1</a><br />
in which she stated:<br />
<blockquote>I knew immediately that changing education in schools was my global life mission.</p></blockquote>
<p>And finally in December 2006 she was interviewed by TVGuide, again not only mentioning Evan, but noting that she is in the process of writing her next book:<br />
<a href="http://www.tvguide.com/news/Jenny-McCarthy-Asks-40781.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.tvguide.com/news/Je.....40781.aspx</a></p>
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<blockquote>TVGuide.com: How much are you enjoying the writing thing?<br />
McCarthy: Oh, I love it. I absolutely love it. I have a couple of different things in the works, which you&#8217;ll see soon.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then in 2007, the &#8220;next book&#8221; comes out in September: &#8220;Louder Than Words&#8221;. A new round of publicity ensues, the IndigoMoms website is pulled, and in a new interview, the last few years are rewritten as heart-wrenching:<br />
<a href="http://www.pr.com/article/1076" rel="nofollow">http://www.pr.com/article/1076</a><br />
And her new life&#8217;s mission:<br />
<blockquote>When this happened, when Evan got the diagnosis, I knew immediately deep down within me, that I was literally supposed to be the one to come out about Autism and just kind of spread the message to the world.</p></blockquote>
<p>Frankly I don&#8217;t quite know what to make of it.</p>
<p>If she got a life&#8217;s mission to spread the word about vaccines and autism in 2005 (with the dx), why state her life&#8217;s mission as changing education in schools in 2006, before finally going over the top in 2007. There seemed to be nothing wrong with Evan&#8217;s soul when he was a Crystal child through to 2006.</p>
<p>I suspect Jenny was either not aware of the full impact of Autism early on, or thought it was more easily &#8220;fixed&#8221; than it turned out to be. She may have been expecting Evan to be treated and &#8220;over&#8221; it soon at the time she was flogging her Last Laugh, and may not have planned to go public at all &#8211; she had written all those &#8220;mommy books&#8221; and branded herself as a comedienne. When the cure didn&#8217;t happen she may have lost the plot.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/05/jenny-mccarthys-son-was-never-autistic/#comment-432918</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read her first book. I got it free in a box of therapy supplies someone gave me. 

Here is a bit from Frontline where someone finally asked the key question. And she dodged it:

&lt;blockquote&gt;[Questioner:] How long after the MMR was that first seizure?
[Jenny McCarthy:] You know, a lot of people think, and probably from me saying in some interviews, that it was after the MMR I noticed changes.
I don&#039;t think it was just the MMR shot that caused any kind of trigger with autism. I think it was a compilation of so many shots to a kid that obviously had some autoimmune disorders. So I would say maybe a couple of months, a month or so after the MMR, I started to notice some physical ailments such as constipation, rashes, eczema. That was like the first little sign. And then the train just kind of descended from there. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

But here is what she said on Oprah in her &quot;louder than words&quot; tour (much earlier) 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;Right before his MMR shot, I said to the doctor, &#039;I have a very bad feeling about this shot. This is the autism shot, isn&#039;t it?&#039; And he said, &#039;No, that is ridiculous. It is a mother&#039;s desperate attempt to blame something,&#039; and he swore at me, and then the nurse gave [Evan] the shot,&quot; she says. &quot;And I remember going, &#039;Oh, God, I hope he&#039;s right.&#039; And soon thereafter -- boom -- the soul&#039;s gone from his eyes.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, yeah, she says there were signs before the seizures. But was iit a &quot;boom&quot; and the soul is gone or some physical ailments and a slow slide?

We could also go into the question of is it ok to call autism a lack of soul. 

And, when was that MMR?  If her son was vaccinated by the schedule it was at least a year before the seizures started. Why can&#039;t she tell the public that simple detail?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read her first book. I got it free in a box of therapy supplies someone gave me.</p>
<p>Here is a bit from Frontline where someone finally asked the key question. And she dodged it:</p>
<p>
<blockquote>[Questioner:] How long after the <span class="caps">MMR</span> was that first seizure?<br />
[Jenny McCarthy:] You know, a lot of people think, and probably from me saying in some interviews, that it was after the <span class="caps">MMR I</span> noticed changes.<br />
I don&#8217;t think it was just the <span class="caps">MMR</span> shot that caused any kind of trigger with autism. I think it was a compilation of so many shots to a kid that obviously had some autoimmune disorders. So I would say maybe a couple of months, a month or so after the <span class="caps">MMR</span>, I started to notice some physical ailments such as constipation, rashes, eczema. That was like the first little sign. And then the train just kind of descended from there. </p></blockquote>
<p>But here is what she said on Oprah in her &#8220;louder than words&#8221; tour (much earlier)</p>
<p>
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&#8220;Right before his <span class="caps">MMR</span> shot, I said to the doctor, &#8216;I have a very bad feeling about this shot. This is the autism shot, isn&#8217;t it?&#8217; And he said, &#8216;No, that is ridiculous. It is a mother&#8217;s desperate attempt to blame something,&#8217; and he swore at me, and then the nurse gave [Evan] the shot,&#8221; she says. &#8220;And I remember going, &#8216;Oh, God, I hope he&#8217;s right.&#8217; And soon thereafter&#8212;boom&#8212;the soul&#8217;s gone from his eyes.  </p></blockquote>
<p>So, yeah, she says there were signs before the seizures. But was iit a &#8220;boom&#8221; and the soul is gone or some physical ailments and a slow slide?</p>
<p>We could also go into the question of is it ok to call autism a lack of soul.</p>
<p>And, when was that <span class="caps">MMR</span>?  If her son was vaccinated by the schedule it was at least a year before the seizures started. Why can&#8217;t she tell the public that simple detail?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mother of two boys with vaccine induced Autism.&quot;

Do you agree with Jenny that your children have no souls?  

Father of a children with autism (who is sick of the vaccine-cause-autism lie)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mother of two boys with vaccine induced Autism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you agree with Jenny that your children have no souls?</p>
<p>Father of a children with autism (who is sick of the vaccine-cause-autism lie)</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 10:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lydia - but I thought Jenny was proud of her &quot;indigo child&quot; as the next step of human evolution? Oh wait, that was story #1 (or was it #2). Then it was Autism, then he was cured, then it was something else, and now I think it is something else entirely - seriously, given her propensity to change her stories more than she changes her clothes, how are we supposed to give her any credence at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lydia &#8211; but I thought Jenny was proud of her &#8220;indigo child&#8221; as the next step of human evolution? Oh wait, that was story #1 (or was it #2). Then it was Autism, then he was cured, then it was something else, and now I think it is something else entirely &#8211; seriously, given her propensity to change her stories more than she changes her clothes, how are we supposed to give her any credence at all?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 06:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can we tell when she keeps changing her story?</description>
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		<title>By: Lydia Bush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lydia Bush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny McCarthy wrote in her books about how the signs of Autism were obvious in her child BEFORE the seizures she just didn&#039;t know any better because he was her first, and a boy at that.  She clearly wrote how when he was diagnosed with Autism and she learned about it it became painfully obvious in his social, speech, and cognitive delays and skills that he had been affected for some time before the seizures became obvious.  Don&#039;t talk about someone when you haven&#039;t even read their work. 
Mother of two boys with vaccine induced Autism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny McCarthy wrote in her books about how the signs of Autism were obvious in her child <span class="caps">BEFORE</span> the seizures she just didn&#8217;t know any better because he was her first, and a boy at that.  She clearly wrote how when he was diagnosed with Autism and she learned about it it became painfully obvious in his social, speech, and cognitive delays and skills that he had been affected for some time before the seizures became obvious.  Don&#8217;t talk about someone when you haven&#8217;t even read their work.<br />
Mother of two boys with vaccine induced Autism.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leslie,

Just to be clear, are you trying to say that Donna Williams is not autistic? 

Here is what Donna William&#039;s web page has to say:

&quot;Other diagnoses over the years including primary immune deficiencies (lack of white cells, no IgA, low IgG2, D deficiency), gluten, salicylate and phenol intolerance, severe casein allergy, type 2 diabetes, a B12 deficiency and a genetic myalgic condition which results in higher levels of inflammation than most people.  I was also diagnosed with atypical epilepsy after an EEG, with visual perceptual processing disorder, mood anxiety and compulsive disorders and in 2010 got an additional diagnosis of Dissociative Identity Disorder D.I.D. &quot;

It appears this no diagnosis is in addition to her others.

I&#039;ll add, I don&#039;t think &quot;high functioning&quot; and &quot;low functioning&quot; are accurate or valuable terms.  Ms. Williams is a good example where such a simple label is somewhat misleading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie,</p>
<p>Just to be clear, are you trying to say that Donna Williams is not autistic?</p>
<p>Here is what Donna William&#8217;s web page has to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;Other diagnoses over the years including primary immune deficiencies (lack of white cells, no IgA, low IgG2, D deficiency), gluten, salicylate and phenol intolerance, severe casein allergy, type 2 diabetes, a <span class="caps">B12</span> deficiency and a genetic myalgic condition which results in higher levels of inflammation than most people.  I was also diagnosed with atypical epilepsy after an <span class="caps">EEG</span>, with visual perceptual processing disorder, mood anxiety and compulsive disorders and in 2010 got an additional diagnosis of Dissociative Identity Disorder D.I.D. &#8221;</p>
<p>It appears this no diagnosis is in addition to her others.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add, I don&#8217;t think &#8220;high functioning&#8221; and &#8220;low functioning&#8221; are accurate or valuable terms.  Ms. Williams is a good example where such a simple label is somewhat misleading.</p>
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		<title>By: leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breaking news: Famous &quot;High Functioning&quot; Autistic Woman now claims to be Multiple Personality Disorder

YouTube - 1210donna&#039;s Channel  Channel of Donna Williams, international bestselling author, artist,  with autism recently diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder 


interesting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breaking news: Famous &#8220;High Functioning&#8221; Autistic Woman now claims to be Multiple Personality Disorder</p>
<p>YouTube &#8211; 1210donna&#8217;s Channel  Channel of Donna Williams, international bestselling author, artist,  with autism recently diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder</p>
<p>interesting!</p>
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