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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/care-clinics-and-doctors-data-sued/#comment-89721</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctor&#039;s data is a fraud.</description>
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		<title>By: brenda</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/care-clinics-and-doctors-data-sued/#comment-76542</link>
		<dc:creator>brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please can anyone help me. I was  very ill since 2004 through 2006 finally my doctor did this provoked test on me since I worked with lead for 14 years. It showed that I was 57. He started me on chelation without blood test (I now know that that was not protocol) I was taken out of work by him and the state and lost my job. Since it was work related and my doctor told me I had lead poisoning. I filed a workerscomp claim meanwhile osha came in and did three days of testing and found lead every where especially around my desk area. I have been out of work because when my work found out it was me that had called in osha I was terminated. I am now on ssd for numerous health reasons memory problems with two doctor evaluations, eye problems (double vision) pain in joints,fatigued,poor concentration,numbness in hands and feet all the time. ect....Workerscomp still pending because of the way they tesded me. WHY THIS IS NOT RIGHT!!! please can someone who is a adult with lead poisoning please contact me I need some support. I am at the end of my rope. I am getting no help from anyone (but get this one all my doctors are saying that all my medical problems COULD be or POSSIBLY due from lead poisoning but since only this urine test was done noone in an exspert. HELP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please can anyone help me. I was  very ill since 2004 through 2006 finally my doctor did this provoked test on me since I worked with lead for 14 years. It showed that I was 57. He started me on chelation without blood test (I now know that that was not protocol) I was taken out of work by him and the state and lost my job. Since it was work related and my doctor told me I had lead poisoning. I filed a workerscomp claim meanwhile osha came in and did three days of testing and found lead every where especially around my desk area. I have been out of work because when my work found out it was me that had called in osha I was terminated. I am now on ssd for numerous health reasons memory problems with two doctor evaluations, eye problems (double vision) pain in joints,fatigued,poor concentration,numbness in hands and feet all the time. ect&#8230;.Workerscomp still pending because of the way they tesded me. <span class="caps">WHY THIS IS NOT RIGHT</span><img src="!" alt="" border="0" /> please can someone who is a adult with lead poisoning please contact me I need some support. I am at the end of my rope. I am getting no help from anyone (but get this one all my doctors are saying that all my medical problems <span class="caps">COULD</span> be or <span class="caps">POSSIBLY</span> due from lead poisoning but since only this urine test was done noone in an exspert. <span class="caps">HELP</span></p>
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		<title>By: Dedj</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/care-clinics-and-doctors-data-sued/#comment-67511</link>
		<dc:creator>Dedj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Jane started the pedant train I thought I&#039;d join in.

&#039;Stored&#039; compounds are not always as potent in immediate or long term effect as circulating compounds, especially not if their target molecule, required reagent or catalyst is only present elsewhere.

This principle is what allows depot injections and other sub-c and IM injections to work as intended.

Blood reference ranges are used to prevent the &#039;lag&#039; inherent in urine and faecal tests. The exception being for substances metabolised in the kidneys or bladder. Urine reference ranges are available, and apparently in use by Doctors Data. Calling blood reference ranges a &#039;sham&#039; is bizarre, unless one wishes to proclaim that either a) the origin of the compound of concern is in the urinary system and is excreted immediately (contradicting the autism=mercury poisoning hypothesis) or that b) the compound is not extracted from the blood to go into the urine for excretion (contradicting the use of non-oral chelators).  

Just trying to work out how blood reference levels are supposedly a &#039;sham&#039; because of the reason given by Jane has given me a headache.

In addition, reference ranges are typically worked out from the mean of the sample population. Deviation from the reference range does not mean illness is indicated, nor does it indicate environmental poisoning. 

That laying outside the reference range does not equal illness is one of the many points being made in the complaint, as is the allegation that the &#039;provoked&#039; test was presented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Jane started the pedant train I thought I&#8217;d join in.</p>
<p>&#8216;Stored&#8217; compounds are not always as potent in immediate or long term effect as circulating compounds, especially not if their target molecule, required reagent or catalyst is only present elsewhere.</p>
<p>This principle is what allows depot injections and other sub-c and IM injections to work as intended.</p>
<p>Blood reference ranges are used to prevent the &#8216;lag&#8217; inherent in urine and faecal tests. The exception being for substances metabolised in the kidneys or bladder. Urine reference ranges are available, and apparently in use by Doctors Data. Calling blood reference ranges a &#8216;sham&#8217; is bizarre, unless one wishes to proclaim that either a) the origin of the compound of concern is in the urinary system and is excreted immediately (contradicting the autism=mercury poisoning hypothesis) or that b) the compound is not extracted from the blood to go into the urine for excretion (contradicting the use of non-oral chelators).</p>
<p>Just trying to work out how blood reference levels are supposedly a &#8216;sham&#8217; because of the reason given by Jane has given me a headache.</p>
<p>In addition, reference ranges are typically worked out from the mean of the sample population. Deviation from the reference range does not mean illness is indicated, nor does it indicate environmental poisoning.</p>
<p>That laying outside the reference range does not equal illness is one of the many points being made in the complaint, as is the allegation that the &#8216;provoked&#8217; test was presented.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/care-clinics-and-doctors-data-sued/#comment-67503</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Your argument is based on the fact that a) provoking a response is artificial, and b) the reference ranges are based on unprovoked responses.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

@Jane: It&#039;s not based on a). Artificiality is irrelevant. The point is that provoked testing is expected to produce results &lt;i&gt;different&lt;/i&gt; to unprovoked testing. Chelation is supposed to clear metals; this is true regardless of who undergoes testing, unless perhaps the individual has been chelated for a long time. 

Your point &lt;b&gt;i&lt;/b&gt; seems to indicate that any metals showing up in testing are harmful, whether it be from provoked or unprovoked testing. In other words, humans should not carry any amount of metals at all. On what basis?

To put it another way, suppose the lab tests are always positive for any individual who gets tested. What would be the value of such a test? If you don&#039;t think they are always positive, how could  you know this without reference values for provoked testing?</description>
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<blockquote>Your argument is based on the fact that a) provoking a response is artificial, and b) the reference ranges are based on unprovoked responses.</p></blockquote>
<p>@Jane: It&#8217;s not based on a). Artificiality is irrelevant. The point is that provoked testing is expected to produce results <i>different</i> to unprovoked testing. Chelation is supposed to clear metals; this is true regardless of who undergoes testing, unless perhaps the individual has been chelated for a long time.</p>
<p>Your point <b>i</b> seems to indicate that any metals showing up in testing are harmful, whether it be from provoked or unprovoked testing. In other words, humans should not carry any amount of metals at all. On what basis?</p>
<p>To put it another way, suppose the lab tests are always positive for any individual who gets tested. What would be the value of such a test? If you don&#8217;t think they are always positive, how could  you know this without reference values for provoked testing?</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Springs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Springs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your argument is based on the fact that a) provoking a response is artificial, and b) the reference ranges are based on unprovoked responses. 

I would question your argument as follows: 

i) Just because a response is provoked does not mean it is artificial. Most individuals believe that ANY level of mercury is harmful to the body. To have it stored in the body (showing up in a provoked response) is as harmful as to have it circulating actively in your blood or urine. Over time, the regulating bodies have made the standards STRICTER, indicating that there is MORE evidence over time about the toxicity of these substances, not less. 

ii) The reference ranges are based on BLOOD levels, not urine levels. The reference ranges are the sham because there is no reference range for urine or feces where most of the excretion is done. 

iii) Actually, the references ranges do not indicate whether a provoking/chelating agent was used or not. In fact, many foods also act as provoking agents. Unless the studies are STRICTLY performed and the food intake is STRICTLY monitored, you cannot say one way or the other whether the response is truly provoked or not.

Additionally, the reference ranges do not indicate whether they are an average or a mean.  The reference ranges are not correlated with the amount of toxin needed to provoke a health problem, rather they just show that there is a lot of toxin in the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your argument is based on the fact that a) provoking a response is artificial, and b) the reference ranges are based on unprovoked responses.</p>
<p>I would question your argument as follows:</p>
<p>i) Just because a response is provoked does not mean it is artificial. Most individuals believe that <span class="caps">ANY</span> level of mercury is harmful to the body. To have it stored in the body (showing up in a provoked response) is as harmful as to have it circulating actively in your blood or urine. Over time, the regulating bodies have made the standards <span class="caps">STRICTER</span>, indicating that there is <span class="caps">MORE</span> evidence over time about the toxicity of these substances, not less.</p>
<p>ii) The reference ranges are based on <span class="caps">BLOOD</span> levels, not urine levels. The reference ranges are the sham because there is no reference range for urine or feces where most of the excretion is done.</p>
<p>iii) Actually, the references ranges do not indicate whether a provoking/chelating agent was used or not. In fact, many foods also act as provoking agents. Unless the studies are <span class="caps">STRICTLY</span> performed and the food intake is <span class="caps">STRICTLY</span> monitored, you cannot say one way or the other whether the response is truly provoked or not.</p>
<p>Additionally, the reference ranges do not indicate whether they are an average or a mean.  The reference ranges are not correlated with the amount of toxin needed to provoke a health problem, rather they just show that there is a lot of toxin in the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ordille</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/care-clinics-and-doctors-data-sued/#comment-60064</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ordille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 05:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure exactly what happened for the FBI and IRS raids but I can say that I have spent 14 days at care clinic and I have never found people as professional, caring and profficient in the care of my children. I was not over charged and neither was my insurance company. I have used DDL and several other labs for heavy metal testing and they all come up with similar results. I was planning a trip to Austin in two weeks and now it is cancelled.  I am not sure if I can find the treatments they offer all in one place and handled as well as they do. I will miss them and I only hope my children still have a chance to recover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure exactly what happened for the <span class="caps">FBI</span> and <span class="caps">IRS</span> raids but I can say that I have spent 14 days at care clinic and I have never found people as professional, caring and profficient in the care of my children. I was not over charged and neither was my insurance company. I have used <span class="caps">DDL</span> and several other labs for heavy metal testing and they all come up with similar results. I was planning a trip to Austin in two weeks and now it is cancelled.  I am not sure if I can find the treatments they offer all in one place and handled as well as they do. I will miss them and I only hope my children still have a chance to recover.</p>
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		<title>By: VFV Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; News from the week of July 12, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>VFV Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; News from the week of July 12, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] autism blog Left Brain/Right Brain has noted that CARE Clinics is also being sued by an adult who claims he was falsely diagnosed with heavy metal poisoning at the clinic after his [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] autism blog Left Brain/Right Brain has noted that <span class="caps">CARE </span>Clinics is also being sued by an adult who claims he was falsely diagnosed with heavy metal poisoning at the clinic after his [...]</p>
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		<title>By: daedalus2u</title>
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		<dc:creator>daedalus2u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like it to go to trial too, but I don&#039;t think that is going to happen.  I would bet that the owners of DD and CC are busy moving assets offshore and to other shell companies to shield them from a judgement.  Then CC and DD will simply go out of business and default.  

I wonder if it was that asset movement that triggered the IRS raid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like it to go to trial too, but I don&#8217;t think that is going to happen.  I would bet that the owners of DD and CC are busy moving assets offshore and to other shell companies to shield them from a judgement.  Then CC and DD will simply go out of business and default.</p>
<p>I wonder if it was that asset movement that triggered the <span class="caps">IRS</span> raid?</p>
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		<title>By: Tsu Dho Nimh</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/care-clinics-and-doctors-data-sued/#comment-59601</link>
		<dc:creator>Tsu Dho Nimh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want this to go to trial, if only because discovery would be so much fun to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want this to go to trial, if only because discovery would be so much fun to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/care-clinics-and-doctors-data-sued/#comment-59599</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay,

they had a clinic  in Florida, as I recall.

How big?  They grew from a $223K/year business in 2004 to over $6M in 2007.  Can&#039;t tell how much in 2008.
http://www.autism-watch.org/reports/casd/overview.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay,</p>
<p>they had a clinic  in Florida, as I recall.</p>
<p>How big?  They grew from a $223K/year business in 2004 to over $6M in 2007.  Can&#8217;t tell how much in 2008.<br />
<a href="http://www.autism-watch.org/reports/casd/overview.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.autism-watch.org/re.....view.shtml</a></p>
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