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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield%e2%80%99s-false-claims-backfire/#comment-59386</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, &quot;Dr.&quot; treg, you are a chiropractor, nice of you to admit that.  Obviously you are not an expert on infectious disease, vaccines or even the flaky behavior of medically trained scam artists like Wakefield.  

Oh, did you miss that I actually knew the year of the USA version of the MMR being used in the UK?  Also, the Urabe mumps strain caused far less meningitis than actual cases of mumps and measles.  It is just that the Jeryl Lynn strain is slightly safer, and possibly more effective.  I still want to know why a vaccine would start being demonized after &lt;b&gt;thirty years&lt;/b&gt; of use!

Also, along the line that the only real difference between the two MMR vaccines is the mumps strain, one cause of autism is congenital rubella syndrome.  Since rubella can be implicated in autism as such, why did Wakefield focus on measles and not rubella?

Roger, try linking to the actual paper, not to a blog of a credulous parent, which is a video.  Here is Tim Buie&#039;s latest paper:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19255034&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Distinct genetic risk based on association of MET in families with co-occurring autism and gastrointestinal conditions&lt;/a&gt;.  Hmmmm, it does not seem to have anything to do with measles.  Now I see why you decided not to bother with the PubMed link. So why did you say it replicated Wakefield when it clearly did not?

He was also in the group with Mady Hornig that &lt;b&gt;failed&lt;/b&gt; to replicate Wakefield&#039;s case studies of twelve children, and with many more children (25), and controls (19), something the lawyer, Richard Barr, failed to provide Wakefield.  Perhaps you have heard of it?  It is on the Public Library of Science webpage:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003140&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lack of association between measles virus vaccine and autism with enteropathy: a case-control study&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, &#8220;Dr.&#8221; treg, you are a chiropractor, nice of you to admit that.  Obviously you are not an expert on infectious disease, vaccines or even the flaky behavior of medically trained scam artists like Wakefield.</p>
<p>Oh, did you miss that I actually knew the year of the <span class="caps">USA</span> version of the <span class="caps">MMR</span> being used in the UK?  Also, the Urabe mumps strain caused far less meningitis than actual cases of mumps and measles.  It is just that the Jeryl Lynn strain is slightly safer, and possibly more effective.  I still want to know why a vaccine would start being demonized after <b>thirty years</b> of use!</p>
<p>Also, along the line that the only real difference between the two <span class="caps">MMR</span> vaccines is the mumps strain, one cause of autism is congenital rubella syndrome.  Since rubella can be implicated in autism as such, why did Wakefield focus on measles and not rubella?</p>
<p>Roger, try linking to the actual paper, not to a blog of a credulous parent, which is a video.  Here is Tim Buie&#8217;s latest paper:  <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19255034" rel="nofollow">Distinct genetic risk based on association of <span class="caps">MET</span> in families with co-occurring autism and gastrointestinal conditions</a>.  Hmmmm, it does not seem to have anything to do with measles.  Now I see why you decided not to bother with the PubMed link. So why did you say it replicated Wakefield when it clearly did not?</p>
<p>He was also in the group with Mady Hornig that <b>failed</b> to replicate Wakefield&#8217;s case studies of twelve children, and with many more children (25), and controls (19), something the lawyer, Richard Barr, failed to provide Wakefield.  Perhaps you have heard of it?  It is on the Public Library of Science webpage:  <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003140" rel="nofollow">Lack of association between measles virus vaccine and autism with enteropathy: a case-control study</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stanton</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield%e2%80%99s-false-claims-backfire/#comment-59385</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Troll
this thread is about Wakefield&#039;s dishonesty. Bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Troll<br />
this thread is about Wakefield&#8217;s dishonesty. Bye.</p>
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		<title>By: dr treg</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield%e2%80%99s-false-claims-backfire/#comment-59384</link>
		<dc:creator>dr treg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seemed to have missed the point re the Urabe strain and MMR reply to another post related to possible government deceit.
re the spelling of Hannah Poling - pedantry. How do you know the varicella component was responsible?
This thread seems to be about intellectual dishonesty - are the journalists who gained financially from the scare stories and Tony Blair who delayed informing the public about what type of MMR programme Leo had, also intellectually dishonest? See Ben Goldacre`s MMR hoax reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seemed to have missed the point re the Urabe strain and <span class="caps">MMR</span> reply to another post related to possible government deceit.<br />
re the spelling of Hannah Poling &#8211; pedantry. How do you know the varicella component was responsible?<br />
This thread seems to be about intellectual dishonesty &#8211; are the journalists who gained financially from the scare stories and Tony Blair who delayed informing the public about what type of <span class="caps">MMR</span> programme Leo had, also intellectually dishonest? See Ben Goldacre`s <span class="caps">MMR</span> hoax reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stanton</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield%e2%80%99s-false-claims-backfire/#comment-59383</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Treg
the Urabe strain of mumps vaccine was in MMR. It isn&#039;t now. Not even Wakefield has tried to implicate mumps with autism.

If you are going to mention Hannah Poling, get her name right. The most likely reason for a vaccine to have triggered her mitochondrial disorder was an adverse reaction to the chicken pox component of her MMRV vaccination. Chicken pox is not measles.

I have dealt with the media elsewhere. But just to repeat,many sectors of the press have been guilty of uncritically publishing Wakefield&#039;s false claims in the past. And I have called them on it. But without Wakefield they would have had no false claims to publish. The story starts and ends with him. This blog post is about Wakefield lying in a press release. 

You have made your point about the media. No one here disputes their role. But you seem to be arguing that their behaviour somehow mitigates Wakefield&#039;s role in the whole affair. Wakefield is not under investigation because the press sensationalized and reported his claims as fact. He is under investigation because of the evidence that he breached research ethics and falsified data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Treg<br />
the Urabe strain of mumps vaccine was in <span class="caps">MMR</span>. It isn&#8217;t now. Not even Wakefield has tried to implicate mumps with autism.</p>
<p>If you are going to mention Hannah Poling, get her name right. The most likely reason for a vaccine to have triggered her mitochondrial disorder was an adverse reaction to the chicken pox component of her <span class="caps">MMRV</span> vaccination. Chicken pox is not measles.</p>
<p>I have dealt with the media elsewhere. But just to repeat,many sectors of the press have been guilty of uncritically publishing Wakefield&#8217;s false claims in the past. And I have called them on it. But without Wakefield they would have had no false claims to publish. The story starts and ends with him. This blog post is about Wakefield lying in a press release.</p>
<p>You have made your point about the media. No one here disputes their role. But you seem to be arguing that their behaviour somehow mitigates Wakefield&#8217;s role in the whole affair. Wakefield is not under investigation because the press sensationalized and reported his claims as fact. He is under investigation because of the evidence that he breached research ethics and falsified data.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield%e2%80%99s-false-claims-backfire/#comment-59381</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You do not mention the Hannah Polling case.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because it&#039;s completely off-topic?

The topic of the post is the intellectual honesty of one Andrew Wakefield. But it appears that some would prefer to change the subject.</description>
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<blockquote>You do not mention the Hannah Polling case.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because it&#8217;s completely off-topic?</p>
<p>The topic of the post is the intellectual honesty of one Andrew Wakefield. But it appears that some would prefer to change the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: dr treg</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield%e2%80%99s-false-claims-backfire/#comment-59380</link>
		<dc:creator>dr treg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How come you did not answer my question? Was it too difficult? Really, did you not know that the MMR being used in the UK since 1992 is the same one that has been used in the USA since 1971?&quot;

You do not mention the Urabe strain complications in the UK prior to 1992 and the possibility that the UK government were aware of the complications prior to the introduction of the Urabe strain.
http://www.foiacentre.com/news-MMR-070305_2.html
You do not mention the Hannah Polling case.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726464.100-autism-payout-reignites-vaccine-controversy.html
The irresponsible journalists and the case of Leo Blair should also be addressed as the Ben Goldacre MMR hoax reference suggests. 
However, everyone focuses on Dr Wakefield being struck off - it is much easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How come you did not answer my question? Was it too difficult? Really, did you not know that the <span class="caps">MMR</span> being used in the UK since 1992 is the same one that has been used in the <span class="caps">USA</span> since 1971?&#8221;</p>
<p>You do not mention the Urabe strain complications in the UK prior to 1992 and the possibility that the UK government were aware of the complications prior to the introduction of the Urabe strain.<br />
<a href="http://www.foiacentre.com/news-MMR-070305_2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foiacentre.com/news-MMR-070305_2.html</a><br />
You do not mention the Hannah Polling case.<br />
<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726464.100-autism-payout-reignites-vaccine-controversy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/ar.....versy.html</a><br />
The irresponsible journalists and the case of Leo Blair should also be addressed as the Ben Goldacre <span class="caps">MMR</span> hoax reference suggests.<br />
However, everyone focuses on Dr Wakefield being struck off &#8211; it is much easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield%e2%80%99s-false-claims-backfire/#comment-59379</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvard researcher validates Wakefield.
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2009/07/maine-cdc-autism-conference.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvard researcher validates Wakefield.<br />
<a href="http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2009/07/maine-cdc-autism-conference.html" rel="nofollow">http://adventuresinautism.blog.....rence.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wakefield’s false claims backfire &#171; Skepfeeds-The Best Skeptical blogs of the day</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield%e2%80%99s-false-claims-backfire/#comment-59376</link>
		<dc:creator>Wakefield’s false claims backfire &#171; Skepfeeds-The Best Skeptical blogs of the day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wakefield’s false claims&#160;backfire  Posted in Left Brain Right Brain by Skepdude on July 8, 2009   READ THE REST OF THIS ENTRY AT LEFT BRAIN RIGHT BRAIN [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wakefield&#8217;s false claims&nbsp;backfire  Posted in Left Brain Right Brain by Skepdude on July 8, 2009   <span class="caps">READ THE REST OF THIS ENTRY AT LEFT BRAIN RIGHT BRAIN </span>[...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield%e2%80%99s-false-claims-backfire/#comment-59364</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come you did not answer my question?  Was it too difficult? Really, did you not know that the MMR being used in the UK since 1992 is the same one that has been used in the USA since 1971? 

Here is another one:  there was testimony in the American Autism Omnibus trial that was by telephone from the UK.  What was being discussed:  the media coverage in the UK or the test results that were ignored and included in a paper that was eventually published in the Lancet (and then retracted)?

If you don&#039;t know, just check back in the archives of this blog.  If you mention journalists, politicians or any other person who is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; the subject of this blog posting, I am just going to have to assume you are a chiropractor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come you did not answer my question?  Was it too difficult? Really, did you not know that the <span class="caps">MMR</span> being used in the UK since 1992 is the same one that has been used in the <span class="caps">USA</span> since 1971?</p>
<p>Here is another one:  there was testimony in the American Autism Omnibus trial that was by telephone from the UK.  What was being discussed:  the media coverage in the UK or the test results that were ignored and included in a paper that was eventually published in the Lancet (and then retracted)?</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t know, just check back in the archives of this blog.  If you mention journalists, politicians or any other person who is <b>not</b> the subject of this blog posting, I am just going to have to assume you are a chiropractor.</p>
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		<title>By: dr treg</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr treg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read Ben Goldacre`s MMR hoax article you will see that the media and other individuals successfully exploited the MMR scare for profit. 
Everytime a health scare headlines the front page of a newspaper the sales increase as do the profits. That is why there are so many health scare headlines.
This situation has arisen because of journalists and Dr Wakefield. The case of Leo Blair was also important.
Another Voice sees the situation as black and white i.e. it was all the scapegoat`s fault. Another Voice then suggests that people who question the journalists involved in poor reporting are conspiracy theorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read Ben Goldacre`s <span class="caps">MMR</span> hoax article you will see that the media and other individuals successfully exploited the <span class="caps">MMR</span> scare for profit.<br />
Everytime a health scare headlines the front page of a newspaper the sales increase as do the profits. That is why there are so many health scare headlines.<br />
This situation has arisen because of journalists and Dr Wakefield. The case of Leo Blair was also important.<br />
Another Voice sees the situation as black and white i.e. it was all the scapegoat`s fault. Another Voice then suggests that people who question the journalists involved in poor reporting are conspiracy theorists.</p>
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