Comments on: Wakefield, distortion and the Sunday Times http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield-distortion-and-the-sunday-times/ Autism news and opinion Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:01:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Chris http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield-distortion-and-the-sunday-times/#comment-75761 Chris Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:38:32 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2542#comment-75761 Cara, just post the papers that show measles virus was found in the guts of kids with autism. Do not do a "Gish Gallop." Also a word of Internet manners: if you provide a link to a 500+ page pdf file that is several megabytes long, give a warning. The TACA file is a classic Gish Gallop. Ginger's list of websites are also a Gish Gallop, which really do not provide a list of replications of Wakefield's set of case studies. Cara, just post the papers that show measles virus was found in the guts of kids with autism. Do not do a “Gish Gallop.”

Also a word of Internet manners: if you provide a link to a 500+ page pdf file that is several megabytes long, give a warning. The TACA file is a classic Gish Gallop. Ginger’s list of websites are also a Gish Gallop, which really do not provide a list of replications of Wakefield’s set of case studies.

]]> By: Chris http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield-distortion-and-the-sunday-times/#comment-75759 Chris Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:21:20 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2542#comment-75759 Cara, links to blogs are not evidence. Provide the actual name of the journal, title, date and author. Also make sure that you have looked at it on PubMed. That would avoid the problems you had with your first list that you lifted from another blog. There is a reason that there is no real replication of Wakefield's "study." It is because there was no measles DNA found in the gut. When it was found it was due to contamination, causing false positives. He was informed of these false positive and chose to ignore that information. That is called <b>fraud</b>. Cara, links to blogs are not evidence. Provide the actual name of the journal, title, date and author. Also make sure that you have looked at it on PubMed. That would avoid the problems you had with your first list that you lifted from another blog.

There is a reason that there is no real replication of Wakefield’s “study.” It is because there was no measles DNA found in the gut. When it was found it was due to contamination, causing false positives. He was informed of these false positive and chose to ignore that information.

That is called fraud.

]]> By: Mike Stanton http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield-distortion-and-the-sunday-times/#comment-75753 Mike Stanton Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:35:47 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2542#comment-75753 Cara I never said there is no literature. Just that there is conflicting evidence and nothing to suggest that a majority of autistic children have bowel problems. The most up to date survey of our knowledge is "Evaluation, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Gastrointestinal Disorders in Individuals With ASDs: A Consensus Report." http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/125/Supplement_1/S1 I recommend it. Cara
I never said there is no literature. Just that there is conflicting evidence and nothing to suggest that a majority of autistic children have bowel problems. The most up to date survey of our knowledge is “Evaluation, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Gastrointestinal Disorders in Individuals With ASDs: A Consensus Report.” http://pediatrics.aappublicati.....ement_1/S1
I recommend it.

]]> By: David N. Brown http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield-distortion-and-the-sunday-times/#comment-75749 David N. Brown Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:10:56 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2542#comment-75749 I can't imagine that "Andrew wakefield" is the poster's real name. WE don't need this kind of thing. I can’t imagine that “Andrew wakefield” is the poster’s real name. WE don’t need this kind of thing.

]]> By: Laurentius Rex http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield-distortion-and-the-sunday-times/#comment-75745 Laurentius Rex Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:22:29 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2542#comment-75745 Brian me deario, Don't get caught up in the headlights, go for the guts of the beast. The Royal Free are not the ones to answer for nothing! Brian me deario,

Don’t get caught up in the headlights, go for the guts of the beast.

The Royal Free are not the ones to answer for nothing!

]]> By: Dedj http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield-distortion-and-the-sunday-times/#comment-75744 Dedj Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:21:09 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2542#comment-75744 "Mike, There “is” literature about autism related bowel disturbances. Google it." As that wasn't the discussion, nor Wakefields specific hypothesis, Mike is under no obligation to 'google it'. As he is a respected paraprofessional in this field, I also doubt he'd need to fall back on google. “Mike, There “is” literature about autism related bowel disturbances. Google it.”

As that wasn’t the discussion, nor Wakefields specific hypothesis, Mike is under no obligation to ‘google it’. As he is a respected paraprofessional in this field, I also doubt he’d need to fall back on google.

]]> By: Andrew Wakefield http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield-distortion-and-the-sunday-times/#comment-75743 Andrew Wakefield Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:19:07 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2542#comment-75743 Dr Treg I do not need allies like you. I am superman. Dr Treg

I do not need allies like you. I am superman.

]]> By: Cara http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield-distortion-and-the-sunday-times/#comment-75738 Cara Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:53:35 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2542#comment-75738 Mike, There "is" literature about autism related bowel disturbances. Google it. Where have you been looking ... at places that reject this as an autisic symptom. Yes, all the literature I have read about autism includes this every time. My daughter would not poop for 5-6 days as a diapered toddler and continues to not have a consistent bowel movement in her 7 yrs of life. My pediatrician said to just give her suppositories whenever needed ... which was bi-weekly. This is not "normal" and not typical of a normal child without autism as "some" studies suggest. It is very normal and to be expected for a child to poop once a day at least. Anything less is open to suspect. We will have to disagree on this subject. Mike, There “is” literature about autism related bowel disturbances. Google it. Where have you been looking … at places that reject this as an autisic symptom. Yes, all the literature I have read about autism includes this every time. My daughter would not poop for 5-6 days as a diapered toddler and continues to not have a consistent bowel movement in her 7 yrs of life. My pediatrician said to just give her suppositories whenever needed … which was bi-weekly. This is not “normal” and not typical of a normal child without autism as “some” studies suggest. It is very normal and to be expected for a child to poop once a day at least. Anything less is open to suspect.
We will have to disagree on this subject.

]]> By: Cara http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield-distortion-and-the-sunday-times/#comment-75737 Cara Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:09:55 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2542#comment-75737 Here are some links to autism studies: http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html http://www.talkaboutcuringautism.org/medical/autism-studies-jan-2009.pdf Here are some links to autism studies:
http://adventuresinautism.blog.....-link.html
http://www.talkaboutcuringauti.....n-2009.pdf

]]> By: Chris http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/07/wakefield-distortion-and-the-sunday-times/#comment-75735 Chris Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:41:17 +0000 http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2542#comment-75735 In the same Science Based Medicine thread I posted a study that basically says autism and GI issues do not always go together: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/125/Supplement_1/S1 In the same Science Based Medicine thread I posted a study that basically says autism and GI issues do not always go together:
http://pediatrics.aappublicati.....ement_1/S1

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