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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/08/are-more-rich-kids-autistic/#comment-88025</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I remember going to Southdale in the late 1960s!

The mall I go to now opened in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&amp;File_Id=3186&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1950&lt;/a&gt;!  I also remember going to malls in a suburb of Caracas, Venezuela in the 1960s (we moved from Venezuela to Bloomington, MN).

I grew up in the 1960s, I remember there were lots of stores, commercials, and lots and lots of catalogs.  It was all about the materialism post World War II (and some of the late 1960s counter culture was a reaction to that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I remember going to Southdale in the late 1960s!</p>
<p>The mall I go to now opened in <a href="http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&#038;File_Id=3186" rel="nofollow">1950</a>!  I also remember going to malls in a suburb of Caracas, Venezuela in the 1960s (we moved from Venezuela to Bloomington, MN).</p>
<p>I grew up in the 1960s, I remember there were lots of stores, commercials, and lots and lots of catalogs.  It was all about the materialism post World War <span class="caps">II </span>(and some of the late 1960s counter culture was a reaction to that).</p>
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		<title>By: Calli Arcale</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/08/are-more-rich-kids-autistic/#comment-88003</link>
		<dc:creator>Calli Arcale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were no malls in 1960?  Wow.  I did not know that. I thought that 1956 was earlier than 1960.  That&#039;s when Southdale Center opened in Edina, MN; it&#039;s North America&#039;s oldest fully-enclosed mall.  (It was not the first, however; the Arcade of Cleveland opened in 1890.  The difference is that Southdale is still operating.  Southdale was, however, heavily influential in later mall design -- to the chagrin of its architect, actually.  It&#039;s an interesting story.)  Of course, non-enclosed malls are much, much older.  The basic concept is at least 1300 years old.

And no shopping magazines?  I guess you&#039;ve never heard of the Sears Catalog, which has been around since the 19th Century.

No.  Materialism is not the cause of autism.  And being obsessed with things isn&#039;t the same thing as being materialistic.  If you&#039;ve got an autistic child obsessed with dinosaurs, this is not comparable to somebody with a $16,000 credit tab from a year&#039;s worth of shopping sprees at the local mall.  Plus, most autistic people don&#039;t enjoy shopping malls in the least, which are very stimulating environments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were no malls in 1960?  Wow.  I did not know that. I thought that 1956 was earlier than 1960.  That&#8217;s when Southdale Center opened in Edina, MN; it&#8217;s North America&#8217;s oldest fully-enclosed mall.  (It was not the first, however; the Arcade of Cleveland opened in 1890.  The difference is that Southdale is still operating.  Southdale was, however, heavily influential in later mall design&#8212;to the chagrin of its architect, actually.  It&#8217;s an interesting story.)  Of course, non-enclosed malls are much, much older.  The basic concept is at least 1300 years old.</p>
<p>And no shopping magazines?  I guess you&#8217;ve never heard of the Sears Catalog, which has been around since the 19th Century.</p>
<p>No.  Materialism is not the cause of autism.  And being obsessed with things isn&#8217;t the same thing as being materialistic.  If you&#8217;ve got an autistic child obsessed with dinosaurs, this is not comparable to somebody with a $16,000 credit tab from a year&#8217;s worth of shopping sprees at the local mall.  Plus, most autistic people don&#8217;t enjoy shopping malls in the least, which are very stimulating environments.</p>
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		<title>By: Annette</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/08/are-more-rich-kids-autistic/#comment-87981</link>
		<dc:creator>Annette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be a karmic issue.  Rich people are much more obsessed with material things than poorer people.  Autistic children are often obsessed with things.  The rise in autism may also be caused by our rise in materialism.  I was born in the 1960s, and back then, people were much less materialistic.  There were less avenues to lure people into buying products.  There were no malls, internet and shopping magazines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be a karmic issue.  Rich people are much more obsessed with material things than poorer people.  Autistic children are often obsessed with things.  The rise in autism may also be caused by our rise in materialism.  I was born in the 1960s, and back then, people were much less materialistic.  There were less avenues to lure people into buying products.  There were no malls, internet and shopping magazines.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/08/are-more-rich-kids-autistic/#comment-62378</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

thanks for the clarification.

So they do screen, but this is substantially different from a prevelence study which might take a smaller group of children and screen for possible ASD, then test those potentials with ADOS or ADI type tests. Correct?

As to Shattuck (Waisman Center alum, if I recall correctly) and Mandell--they are two very respected researchers to those of us here at lbrb.  We have a &quot;Mandell&quot; category, and I recently discussed Dr. Shattuck&#039;s grant to look at adolescents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>thanks for the clarification.</p>
<p>So they do screen, but this is substantially different from a prevelence study which might take a smaller group of children and screen for possible <span class="caps">ASD</span>, then test those potentials with <span class="caps">ADOS</span> or <span class="caps">ADI</span> type tests. Correct?</p>
<p>As to Shattuck (Waisman Center alum, if I recall correctly) and Mandell&#8212;they are two very respected researchers to those of us here at lbrb.  We have a &#8220;Mandell&#8221; category, and I recently discussed Dr. Shattuck&#8217;s grant to look at adolescents.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sullivan,

Thank you for the kind words about the Waisman Center.

I can understand how making distinctions based on those terminologies can seem ambiguous.  The ADDM Network methods screen existing records and evaluations, as opposed to directly screening all children.  For children showing signs of ASD, de-identified information is sent to an expert reviewer who assigns a surveillance case definition comparing the abstracted information to DSM-IV criteria.  The children who are given an ASD case definition are counted (enumerated) over a geographically-defined population.

We also record if a child has been previously diagnosed, and there is some interesting work by Shattuck and Mandell looking at disparities in identification and age of diagnosis of ASD in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sullivan,</p>
<p>Thank you for the kind words about the Waisman Center.</p>
<p>I can understand how making distinctions based on those terminologies can seem ambiguous.  The <span class="caps">ADDM </span>Network methods screen existing records and evaluations, as opposed to directly screening all children.  For children showing signs of <span class="caps">ASD</span>, de-identified information is sent to an expert reviewer who assigns a surveillance case definition comparing the abstracted information to <span class="caps">DSM</span>-IV criteria.  The children who are given an <span class="caps">ASD</span> case definition are counted (enumerated) over a geographically-defined population.</p>
<p>We also record if a child has been previously diagnosed, and there is some interesting work by Shattuck and Mandell looking at disparities in identification and age of diagnosis of <span class="caps">ASD</span> in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

thank you very much for taking the time to respond here.  We here at lbrb have a great admiration for the Waisman Center.

I appreciate your comment--I am somewhat confused by the description of methods in the ADDM (as cited in the paper) which includes discussion of screening vs. the CDC&#039;s statement that the ADDM uses &quot;case enumeration&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>thank you very much for taking the time to respond here.  We here at lbrb have a great admiration for the Waisman Center.</p>
<p>I appreciate your comment&#8212;I am somewhat confused by the description of methods in the <span class="caps">ADDM </span>(as cited in the paper) which includes discussion of screening vs. the <span class="caps">CDC</span>&#8217;s statement that the <span class="caps">ADDM</span> uses &#8220;case enumeration&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of good points being made here.  

Just as a clarification, the ADDM Network identifies ASD cases independently of a previous diagnosis.  Children who have been to a health care provider and did not get diagnosed could still be considered a case.  This does not, however, completely rule out the possibility of ascertainment bias due to SES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of good points being made here.</p>
<p>Just as a clarification, the <span class="caps">ADDM </span>Network identifies <span class="caps">ASD</span> cases independently of a previous diagnosis.  Children who have been to a health care provider and did not get diagnosed could still be considered a case.  This does not, however, completely rule out the possibility of ascertainment bias due to <span class="caps">SES</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stanton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disambiguation

I should have written &quot;&lt;b&gt;Children &lt;/b&gt;of parents who did not complete their secondary education were less likely to have a local diagnosis of autism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disambiguation</p>
<p>I should have written &#8220;<b>Children </b>of parents who did not complete their secondary education were less likely to have a local diagnosis of autism.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stanton</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/08/are-more-rich-kids-autistic/#comment-62183</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Lorna Wing reviewed the epidemiology of autism in her 1993 paper, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mugsy.org/wing.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Definition and Prevalence of Autism: A Review &lt;/a&gt; she identified nine studies that collected data on social class. Two studies found an association and seven did not.

A more recent study by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16844490&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baird (2006) &lt;/a&gt;found that parental education was a factor in diagnosis. Parents who did not complete their secondary education were less likely to have a local diagnosis of autism. But once this was controlled for, socio-economic status was not a significant factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Lorna Wing reviewed the epidemiology of autism in her 1993 paper, <a href="http://www.mugsy.org/wing.htm" rel="nofollow">The Definition and Prevalence of Autism: A Review </a> she identified nine studies that collected data on social class. Two studies found an association and seven did not.</p>
<p>A more recent study by <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16844490" rel="nofollow">Baird (2006) </a>found that parental education was a factor in diagnosis. Parents who did not complete their secondary education were less likely to have a local diagnosis of autism. But once this was controlled for, socio-economic status was not a significant factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/08/are-more-rich-kids-autistic/#comment-62176</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is possible there are actually more wealthy autistics. Wealthy parents are more likely to have attended college, and therefore be older when they have children. Also, wealthy parents are more likely to have math or engineering backgrounds, which tend to be over represented in the autism community.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s possible.  But, very unlikely to be a factor of 2.6 as noted in the paper.  Keep in mind that they are using ADDM data.  The CDC lists the prevalence data they use as being collected by &quot;case enumeration&quot;.  They count already identified cases.  My recollection is that Wisconsin had the largest gap in prevalence based on ethnicity, which to me is a clear sign that they are not counting everyone.  Race/ethnicity has been studied and it is either not a factor or not a very large one.</description>
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<blockquote>It is possible there are actually more wealthy autistics. Wealthy parents are more likely to have attended college, and therefore be older when they have children. Also, wealthy parents are more likely to have math or engineering backgrounds, which tend to be over represented in the autism community.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s possible.  But, very unlikely to be a factor of 2.6 as noted in the paper.  Keep in mind that they are using <span class="caps">ADDM</span> data.  The <span class="caps">CDC</span> lists the prevalence data they use as being collected by &#8220;case enumeration&#8221;.  They count already identified cases.  My recollection is that Wisconsin had the largest gap in prevalence based on ethnicity, which to me is a clear sign that they are not counting everyone.  Race/ethnicity has been studied and it is either not a factor or not a very large one.</p>
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