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		<title>By: Catherina</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/autism-and-adults/#comment-64494</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurentius Rex, you can skip the registration - there is an option to click &quot;no&quot; under &quot;would you like to register&quot; and you will get to the survey and the Methods files.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurentius Rex, you can skip the registration &#8211; there is an option to click &#8220;no&#8221; under &#8220;would you like to register&#8221; and you will get to the survey and the Methods files.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/autism-and-adults/#comment-64267</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;we should not all jump to conclusions that this is proof, not until this is repeated, elsewhere, with a different methodology.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In general, that&#039;s correct, but I see this is as a confirmatory study with better methodology than prior ones. It&#039;s not really the first one on the question of how prevalent autism might be in adults, even though it&#039;s the first actual prevalence study of autistic adults.

It&#039;s unlikely that in other parts of the world they will find autism to be rare in adults given all that is known. I&#039;m sure other studies will follow.</description>
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<blockquote>we should not all jump to conclusions that this is proof, not until this is repeated, elsewhere, with a different methodology.</p></blockquote>
<p>In general, that&#8217;s correct, but I see this is as a confirmatory study with better methodology than prior ones. It&#8217;s not really the first one on the question of how prevalent autism might be in adults, even though it&#8217;s the first actual prevalence study of autistic adults.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unlikely that in other parts of the world they will find autism to be rare in adults given all that is known. I&#8217;m sure other studies will follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurentius Rex</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/autism-and-adults/#comment-64257</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurentius Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And while I am in the mood, and before the Aspie police get on my back for not taking this survey seriously enough. I do welcome it, but although it does state (to quote from python) &quot;the bleeding obvious&quot; we should not all jump to conclusions that this is proof, not until this is repeated, elsewhere, with a different methodology.

Only when several studies come in showing consistent figures will it begin to approach validity, after all we should not drop our standards just because a study confirms what we want people to think, that is what the enemy do.

So I think I am entitled to a certain scepticism. I would probably have done this differently, something less biased, more foolproof, but I will have to look at this properly first, at the moment I can&#039;t even download the full version without registering first, and I don&#039;t want to do that, the NHS has got enough of my data without me giving them any more :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while I am in the mood, and before the Aspie police get on my back for not taking this survey seriously enough. I do welcome it, but although it does state (to quote from python) &#8220;the bleeding obvious&#8221; we should not all jump to conclusions that this is proof, not until this is repeated, elsewhere, with a different methodology.</p>
<p>Only when several studies come in showing consistent figures will it begin to approach validity, after all we should not drop our standards just because a study confirms what we want people to think, that is what the enemy do.</p>
<p>So I think I am entitled to a certain scepticism. I would probably have done this differently, something less biased, more foolproof, but I will have to look at this properly first, at the moment I can&#8217;t even download the full version without registering first, and I don&#8217;t want to do that, the <span class="caps">NHS</span> has got enough of my data without me giving them any more :)</p>
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		<title>By: Laurentius Rex</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/autism-and-adults/#comment-64087</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurentius Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following on my last post, perhaps there is also a suggestion that the ONLY effective intervention in &#039;autism&#039; is Education, in that as I said the true prevalence of neurological difference or diversity has not been studied, just it&#039;s effects, those effects appear less if one has been well educated, however one looks at the pattern of school exclusions, and special schooling and realises how much all of this educational disadvantage is created. Special schools for whatever one wants to say about them, do not confer educational advantage as a rule, children from special schools tend to have lower attainment on leaving.

I think the Sociologists need to take this study apart. As for Brugha, I have little to say in his commendation, another arrogant academic who refuses to look sideways at anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following on my last post, perhaps there is also a suggestion that the <span class="caps">ONLY</span> effective intervention in &#8216;autism&#8217; is Education, in that as I said the true prevalence of neurological difference or diversity has not been studied, just it&#8217;s effects, those effects appear less if one has been well educated, however one looks at the pattern of school exclusions, and special schooling and realises how much all of this educational disadvantage is created. Special schools for whatever one wants to say about them, do not confer educational advantage as a rule, children from special schools tend to have lower attainment on leaving.</p>
<p>I think the Sociologists need to take this study apart. As for Brugha, I have little to say in his commendation, another arrogant academic who refuses to look sideways at anything.</p>
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		<title>By: laurentius rex</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/autism-and-adults/#comment-64086</link>
		<dc:creator>laurentius rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another possibility here, that is the social construction of &quot;disorder&quot; in that historically economically disadvantaged and socially devalued classes tend to get diagnosed with more heavy stuff.

Our society can never admit that it disadvantages people so it gives them a diagnosis instead.

Autism is in essence a socially created disability, whose disability is increased at the margins with the occurence of multiple disadvantage.

I doubt if this survey is objectively measuring neurological difference at all, once again it is using a behavioral measure, and observational schedule of effect not any real objective measure, therefore it is impossible to determine the direction of causation here autism  = poor education or poor education = autism.

I suspect a complex interelationship.

Above all this is NOT a valid survey of neurological difference, it is the prime example of the social construction of disability and the disabling of those it decides to lable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another possibility here, that is the social construction of &#8220;disorder&#8221; in that historically economically disadvantaged and socially devalued classes tend to get diagnosed with more heavy stuff.</p>
<p>Our society can never admit that it disadvantages people so it gives them a diagnosis instead.</p>
<p>Autism is in essence a socially created disability, whose disability is increased at the margins with the occurence of multiple disadvantage.</p>
<p>I doubt if this survey is objectively measuring neurological difference at all, once again it is using a behavioral measure, and observational schedule of effect not any real objective measure, therefore it is impossible to determine the direction of causation here autism  = poor education or poor education = autism.</p>
<p>I suspect a complex interelationship.</p>
<p>Above all this is <span class="caps">NOT</span> a valid survey of neurological difference, it is the prime example of the social construction of disability and the disabling of those it decides to lable.</p>
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		<title>By: David N. Brown</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/autism-and-adults/#comment-64067</link>
		<dc:creator>David N. Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing about use of the upper class autism argument:
I&#039;ve seen it used by vaccine blamers to argue away a major problem:  The vaccines blamed for autism were introduced decades before the 1990s rise in diagnoses.  Hence, even vaccine causation would imply a &quot;hidden horde&quot; among adults.  The blamers&#039; response is that in &quot;19xx&quot; the vaccines were only available to the upper class, and that at that time autism was limited to the upper class. The former assertion is certainly false, and the latter should be dispensed with too.
To Joseph:  The background of autistics is the next question to address.  My thought is that, even if occurence of autism is uniform among all classes, there could easily be a correlation between poverty and more severe symptoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing about use of the upper class autism argument:<br />
I&#8217;ve seen it used by vaccine blamers to argue away a major problem:  The vaccines blamed for autism were introduced decades before the 1990s rise in diagnoses.  Hence, even vaccine causation would imply a &#8220;hidden horde&#8221; among adults.  The blamers&#8217; response is that in &#8220;19xx&#8221; the vaccines were only available to the upper class, and that at that time autism was limited to the upper class. The former assertion is certainly false, and the latter should be dispensed with too.<br />
To Joseph:  The background of autistics is the next question to address.  My thought is that, even if occurence of autism is uniform among all classes, there could easily be a correlation between poverty and more severe symptoms.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/autism-and-adults/#comment-64031</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s very interesting that autism was found to be more common (as measured by diagnoses) in the less educated. This is the inverse of what has long been thought, and one could further infer that autism is more common among the poor and otherwise isolated or marginalized.&quot;

I once wrote basically verbatim that this was the common demographic in my AS support group (unemployed, poor, homeless, no college education and marginalized).  It was suggested by one person, he knows who he is, that I was trying to blame autism for these things and then another said that my group was not necessarily a representative group, or something to that effect.  Both persons I&#039;m referring to are self diagnosed.  

Shakes head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s very interesting that autism was found to be more common (as measured by diagnoses) in the less educated. This is the inverse of what has long been thought, and one could further infer that autism is more common among the poor and otherwise isolated or marginalized.&#8221;</p>
<p>I once wrote basically verbatim that this was the common demographic in my AS support group (unemployed, poor, homeless, no college education and marginalized).  It was suggested by one person, he knows who he is, that I was trying to blame autism for these things and then another said that my group was not necessarily a representative group, or something to that effect.  Both persons I&#8217;m referring to are self diagnosed.</p>
<p>Shakes head.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/autism-and-adults/#comment-64030</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m not at all surprised by these findings, or the numbers. They seem to be about right to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m not at all surprised by these findings, or the numbers. They seem to be about right to me.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/autism-and-adults/#comment-64013</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose this could be the final nail in the coffin of the  heavily-promoted Blaxill/Olmstead/Kirby &quot;hidden horde&quot; argument for the existence of an autism epidemic. 

&quot;Since the 2005 expansion of aggressive public relations and political lobbying efforts by SafeMinds and other organizations promoting vaccine-injury claimants’ agenda, the phrase “hidden horde hypothesis” and variants on the question, “where is the hidden horde of autistic adults?” have been invoked by a number of media campaigners, consultants, and parents persuaded to believe that their children were made autistic by vaccine poisoning.&quot;

http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/?c=History

You just have to keep your eyes open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose this could be the final nail in the coffin of the  heavily-promoted Blaxill/Olmstead/Kirby &#8220;hidden horde&#8221; argument for the existence of an autism epidemic.</p>
<p>&#8220;Since the 2005 expansion of aggressive public relations and political lobbying efforts by SafeMinds and other organizations promoting vaccine-injury claimants&#8217; agenda, the phrase &#8220;hidden horde hypothesis&#8221; and variants on the question, &#8220;where is the hidden horde of autistic adults?&#8221; have been invoked by a number of media campaigners, consultants, and parents persuaded to believe that their children were made autistic by vaccine poisoning.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/?c=History" rel="nofollow">http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/?c=History</a></p>
<p>You just have to keep your eyes open.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/autism-and-adults/#comment-64009</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s very interesting that autism was found to be more common (as measured by diagnoses) in the less educated. This is the inverse of what has long been thought, and one could further infer that autism is more common among the poor and otherwise isolated or marginalized. This will go a long way toward debunking any correlation between autism and vaccination, but might point toward correlations of autism with poor nutrition and/or various forms of pollution.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They didn&#039;t say their families were less educated or poorer, right?

So one could also infer that being autistic causes one to have less educational and economic opportunities.</description>
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<blockquote>It&#8217;s very interesting that autism was found to be more common (as measured by diagnoses) in the less educated. This is the inverse of what has long been thought, and one could further infer that autism is more common among the poor and otherwise isolated or marginalized. This will go a long way toward debunking any correlation between autism and vaccination, but might point toward correlations of autism with poor nutrition and/or various forms of pollution.</p></blockquote>
<p>They didn&#8217;t say their families were less educated or poorer, right?</p>
<p>So one could also infer that being autistic causes one to have less educational and economic opportunities.</p>
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