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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s illustrative to read Dr. Deth&#039;s &quot;review.&quot; For example:

&lt;blockquote&gt;8. Do the title and abstract accurately convey what has been found?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here&#039;s one where Dr. Deth betrays his interests:

&lt;blockquote&gt;5. Are the discussion and conclusions well balanced and adequately supported by the data?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes; The Discussion is refreshingly brief and well-focused. However, the authors could/should have discussed the how the level of observed improvement compares with other autism interventions (e.g. ADA etc.). Is it similar? Or superior? They could also have discussed the public health implications of an observed improvement in autism with chelation (i.e. heavy metal exposure as a cause of autism).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In other words: What the paper is missing is that they should&#039;ve said mercury causes autism.

Regarding how it compares to other interventions, I think the main question should be how it compares to placebo. 

Ray Palmer then opines:

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is a well-written, well-conducted study that addresses a timely topic of great current need. Many of the contributors have been in this area of research for many years and have contributed substantially to the field.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Both declare no competing interests. Let me find the journal&#039;s definition of &quot;competing interest&quot;...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;A competing interest exists when your interpretation of data or presentation of information may be influenced by your personal or financial relationship with other people or organizations. Authors should disclose any financial competing interests but also any non-financial competing interests that may cause them embarrassment were they to become public after the publication of the manuscript.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Are there any non-financial competing interests (political, personal, religious, ideological, academic, intellectual, commercial or any other) to declare in relation to this manuscript? If so, please specify.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;If you are unsure as to whether you or one of your co-authors has a competing interest, please discuss it with the editorial office.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The peer-review process of the Adams study was a complete travesty, in other words; practically fraudulent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s illustrative to read Dr. Deth&#8217;s &#8220;review.&#8221; For example:</p>
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<blockquote>8. Do the title and abstract accurately convey what has been found?</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote><p>Yes;</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s one where Dr. Deth betrays his interests:</p>
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<blockquote>5. Are the discussion and conclusions well balanced and adequately supported by the data?</p></blockquote>
<p></p>
<blockquote><p>Yes; The Discussion is refreshingly brief and well-focused. However, the authors could/should have discussed the how the level of observed improvement compares with other autism interventions (e.g. <span class="caps">ADA</span> etc.). Is it similar? Or superior? They could also have discussed the public health implications of an observed improvement in autism with chelation (i.e. heavy metal exposure as a cause of autism).</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words: What the paper is missing is that they should&#8217;ve said mercury causes autism.</p>
<p>Regarding how it compares to other interventions, I think the main question should be how it compares to placebo.</p>
<p>Ray Palmer then opines:</p>
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<blockquote>This is a well-written, well-conducted study that addresses a timely topic of great current need. Many of the contributors have been in this area of research for many years and have contributed substantially to the field.</p></blockquote>
<p>Both declare no competing interests. Let me find the journal&#8217;s definition of &#8220;competing interest&#8221;...</p>
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<blockquote><i>A competing interest exists when your interpretation of data or presentation of information may be influenced by your personal or financial relationship with other people or organizations. Authors should disclose any financial competing interests but also any non-financial competing interests that may cause them embarrassment were they to become public after the publication of the manuscript.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>...</p>
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<blockquote><i>Are there any non-financial competing interests (political, personal, religious, ideological, academic, intellectual, commercial or any other) to declare in relation to this manuscript? If so, please specify.</i></p></blockquote>
<p></p>
<blockquote><p><i>If you are unsure as to whether you or one of your co-authors has a competing interest, please discuss it with the editorial office.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>The peer-review process of the Adams study was a complete travesty, in other words; practically fraudulent.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon,

give it a rest.

DMSA and autism--two papers refereed by chelationists, which make claims that are not supported by the data they collected.  Thank god I didn&#039;t get sucked into that nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon,</p>
<p>give it a rest.</p>
<p><span class="caps">DMSA</span> and autism&#8212;two papers refereed by chelationists, which make claims that are not supported by the data they collected.  Thank god I didn&#8217;t get sucked into that nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/truth-and-consequences-%e2%80%93-the-anti-vaccination-movement-exacts-a-price/#comment-69371</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon is spamming several blogs with those links, apparently, since he just showed up in my 2-year-old post where I was wondering when Dr. Adams was going to publish his paper. Back then Dr. Adams was saying the results might get published within a year. 

The way the results are spinned is dishonest, in my view, but even two years ago it was clear that was the plan. A randomized trial with no significant differences in outcome between groups should normally be interpreted as showing that the treatment was not beneficial. Adams et al. interpret the results as if both groups had been helped by the treatment. They can only do this because the design of the study is not truly placebo-controlled. (Both groups got one initial round of DMSA - the rationale for this is questionable, especially in light of how they ended up selling the result.)

Why did this spin get past peer review? If you check the pre-publication history, they let you see who the peer reviewers were. They happen to be Richard Deth (of &quot;I wager the thimerosal hypothesis will be proven in 18-24 months&quot; fame) and Ray Palmer (of &quot;mercury from power plants is associated with administrative autism prevalence&quot; fame.) How this could happen, I have no idea, and it frankly causes me to lose confidence in the whole &quot;peer review&quot; heuristic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon is spamming several blogs with those links, apparently, since he just showed up in my 2-year-old post where I was wondering when Dr. Adams was going to publish his paper. Back then Dr. Adams was saying the results might get published within a year.</p>
<p>The way the results are spinned is dishonest, in my view, but even two years ago it was clear that was the plan. A randomized trial with no significant differences in outcome between groups should normally be interpreted as showing that the treatment was not beneficial. Adams et al. interpret the results as if both groups had been helped by the treatment. They can only do this because the design of the study is not truly placebo-controlled. (Both groups got one initial round of <span class="caps">DMSA </span>- the rationale for this is questionable, especially in light of how they ended up selling the result.)</p>
<p>Why did this spin get past peer review? If you check the pre-publication history, they let you see who the peer reviewers were. They happen to be Richard Deth (of &#8220;I wager the thimerosal hypothesis will be proven in 18-24 months&#8221; fame) and Ray Palmer (of &#8220;mercury from power plants is associated with administrative autism prevalence&#8221; fame.) How this could happen, I have no idea, and it frankly causes me to lose confidence in the whole &#8220;peer review&#8221; heuristic.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another drive by contribution by a cherry picker.  It would have more appropriate to post your drive-by on this more recent post: 
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=3360

Now my mother always told me to consider the source.  Now let us look at the source of those papers:  Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine

Sorry, but that is not a place that practices real science.  Plus provoked tests for mercury are not exactly accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another drive by contribution by a cherry picker.  It would have more appropriate to post your drive-by on this more recent post:<br />
<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=3360" rel="nofollow">http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=3360</a></p>
<p>Now my mother always told me to consider the source.  Now let us look at the source of those papers:  Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine</p>
<p>Sorry, but that is not a place that practices real science.  Plus provoked tests for mercury are not exactly accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two papers on DMSA and autism:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6904/9/16
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6904/9/17</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two papers on <span class="caps">DMSA</span> and autism:<br />
<a href="http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6904/9/16" rel="nofollow">http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6904/9/16</a><br />
<a href="http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6904/9/17" rel="nofollow">http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6904/9/17</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>notindenial--

if you want to just post links without adding any information, I will start deleting your comments.  I will do so even if you change names again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>notindenial&#8212;<br />
if you want to just post links without adding any information, I will start deleting your comments.  I will do so even if you change names again.</p>
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		<title>By: notindenial</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/truth-and-consequences-%e2%80%93-the-anti-vaccination-movement-exacts-a-price/#comment-67476</link>
		<dc:creator>notindenial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj4BG0DawW0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj4BG0DawW0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj4BG0DawW0</a></p>
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		<title>By: notindenial</title>
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		<dc:creator>notindenial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, who is cashing in on Autism??  You say those trying to HELP these children via biomeds??  Oh I must disagree.  You are targeting the wrong group. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fc_qtWxMes&amp;feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S-9yQrsras&amp;feature=player_embedded

And you say the biomed yahoo groups will attack and ban those who don&#039;t agree or speak out??  Well, I must disagree.  You are targeting the wrong group. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOFMslNrIRY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, who is cashing in on Autism??  You say those trying to <span class="caps">HELP</span> these children via biomeds??  Oh I must disagree.  You are targeting the wrong group.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fc_qtWxMes&#038;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S-9yQrsras&#038;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded</a></p>
<p>And you say the biomed yahoo groups will attack and ban those who don&#8217;t agree or speak out??  Well, I must disagree.  You are targeting the wrong group.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOFMslNrIRY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOFMslNrIRY</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Outraged Parent:  Laura has made exactly one comment on this thread.  Those on the NLT group do not have autistic children*, and biomedical treatments are (as I have been told) are actively &lt;b&gt;discouraged&lt;/b&gt;. 

Since the topic of this blog posting was the use (or overuse) of biomedical treatments on an autistic child, your comments are completely off topic.

You should find another way to channel your outrage.**


* Having one of each (autistic/apraxic and NLT) I know they are completely different.

** I have several suggestions, but I don&#039;t think you&#039;d appreciate them.  Personally I have found weed therapy and prune therapy to to be very effective.  One reason why I had very well pruned roses and espaliered apple trees during IEP periods.  Also, since it was usually in November --- I was surprised how many tulip bulbs I could plant.  Who knew one mom could dig so many holes in a day!?  Oh, and another suggestion... never plan other parent/teacher conversations on the day of a two hour IEP meeting.  I was so loopy after having the teacher conferences for two kids, that I spaced out of the IEP meeting and was surprised when son&#039;s speech therapy time was doubled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Outraged Parent:  Laura has made exactly one comment on this thread.  Those on the <span class="caps">NLT</span> group do not have autistic children*, and biomedical treatments are (as I have been told) are actively <b>discouraged</b>.</p>
<p>Since the topic of this blog posting was the use (or overuse) of biomedical treatments on an autistic child, your comments are completely off topic.</p>
<p>You should find another way to channel your outrage.**</p>
<ul>
<li>Having one of each (autistic/apraxic and <span class="caps">NLT</span>) I know they are completely different.</li>
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<p>** I have several suggestions, but I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d appreciate them.  Personally I have found weed therapy and prune therapy to to be very effective.  One reason why I had very well pruned roses and espaliered apple trees during <span class="caps">IEP</span> periods.  Also, since it was usually in November&#8212;- I was surprised how many tulip bulbs I could plant.  Who knew one mom could dig so many holes in a day!?  Oh, and another suggestion&#8230; never plan other parent/teacher conversations on the day of a two hour <span class="caps">IEP</span> meeting.  I was so loopy after having the teacher conferences for two kids, that I spaced out of the <span class="caps">IEP</span> meeting and was surprised when son&#8217;s speech therapy time was doubled.</p>
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		<title>By: Outraged Parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outraged Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura&#039;s claims are positively inaccurate.  I have been a member of the Natural Late Talkers group for the last 3 years.  I have also taken my son for many evaluations by multiple pediatricians, Early Intervention, and a very reputable hospital&#039;s autism program.  All three have ruled out autism completely (especially now that he is older).  He has, however, been diagnosed with Mixed Expressive/Receptive Language Disorder, which is something that the NLT group is no stranger to.  In fact, they commonly point out to new members that they ought to mention it to the evaluators.  I have found a wonderful community of folks who only want what is best for their child.  The vast majority of these folks HAVE their children in good, solid speech therapy and/or occupational therapy programs.  As with any group of 3000+ members, you will occasionally have the person who is &quot;in denial&quot; or enlisting the help of quack doctors and treatments, but please don&#039;t throw the baby out with the bath water.

The group does NOT endorse biomedical treatments nor are the vast majority of the members &quot;in denial&quot; about their child&#039;s supposed autism.  They are a group of folks who have simply questioned the system&#039;s methods for diagnosing autism and have chosen to pursue the best course of action for their child.  This does NOT mean that they will dismiss the idea of autism completely.  The goal of this group is to seek ACCURATE diagnosis.  Not to deny their child has a problem.

If anyone wants a real description of the group&#039;s objectives, just check out their website: www.naturallatetalkers.com.  It is brief, but I think you&#039;ll get an idea of the overall goal of the group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura&#8217;s claims are positively inaccurate.  I have been a member of the Natural Late Talkers group for the last 3 years.  I have also taken my son for many evaluations by multiple pediatricians, Early Intervention, and a very reputable hospital&#8217;s autism program.  All three have ruled out autism completely (especially now that he is older).  He has, however, been diagnosed with Mixed Expressive/Receptive Language Disorder, which is something that the <span class="caps">NLT</span> group is no stranger to.  In fact, they commonly point out to new members that they ought to mention it to the evaluators.  I have found a wonderful community of folks who only want what is best for their child.  The vast majority of these folks <span class="caps">HAVE</span> their children in good, solid speech therapy and/or occupational therapy programs.  As with any group of 3000+ members, you will occasionally have the person who is &#8220;in denial&#8221; or enlisting the help of quack doctors and treatments, but please don&#8217;t throw the baby out with the bath water.</p>
<p>The group does <span class="caps">NOT</span> endorse biomedical treatments nor are the vast majority of the members &#8220;in denial&#8221; about their child&#8217;s supposed autism.  They are a group of folks who have simply questioned the system&#8217;s methods for diagnosing autism and have chosen to pursue the best course of action for their child.  This does <span class="caps">NOT</span> mean that they will dismiss the idea of autism completely.  The goal of this group is to seek <span class="caps">ACCURATE</span> diagnosis.  Not to deny their child has a problem.</p>
<p>If anyone wants a real description of the group&#8217;s objectives, just check out their website: <a href="http://www.naturallatetalkers.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.naturallatetalkers.com</a>.  It is brief, but I think you&#8217;ll get an idea of the overall goal of the group.</p>
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