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		<title>By: VAB</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our guy (in high school now) has never been bullied. I think that is mostly because the whole school system here is geared up to prevent anyone being bullied. They have lots of educational initiatives, including something called The Roots of Empathy, in which they bring babies into the classroom, and they make a big deal out of something called Pink T-Shirt day, which is a student-lead anti-bullying event. They also have peer mediation in which older kids act as mentors for younger kids to resolve conflict. Basically, when the whole school system decides to eliminate bullying, it can happen. 

I don&#039;t think this is particularly an autism issue. When there is no bullying, autistics will not be bullied either. And, in case anyone is thinking that near-zero bullying would not be possible for their school system because of culture or whatever, I will point out that I went to school in the same system and was mercilessly bullied (sometimes being beaten up by ten or more kids at once). The only policy the school had at the time was something called a Fighting Field. That is, we were encouraged to limit fist fights to one particular field. That and the general belief that kids need to fight their own battles. That changed because parents and teachers wanted it to change. If you want to stop autistic kids from being bullied, stop everyone from being bullied. By helping your neighbor&#039;s kid, you&#039;ll be helping your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our guy (in high school now) has never been bullied. I think that is mostly because the whole school system here is geared up to prevent anyone being bullied. They have lots of educational initiatives, including something called The Roots of Empathy, in which they bring babies into the classroom, and they make a big deal out of something called Pink T-Shirt day, which is a student-lead anti-bullying event. They also have peer mediation in which older kids act as mentors for younger kids to resolve conflict. Basically, when the whole school system decides to eliminate bullying, it can happen.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this is particularly an autism issue. When there is no bullying, autistics will not be bullied either. And, in case anyone is thinking that near-zero bullying would not be possible for their school system because of culture or whatever, I will point out that I went to school in the same system and was mercilessly bullied (sometimes being beaten up by ten or more kids at once). The only policy the school had at the time was something called a Fighting Field. That is, we were encouraged to limit fist fights to one particular field. That and the general belief that kids need to fight their own battles. That changed because parents and teachers wanted it to change. If you want to stop autistic kids from being bullied, stop everyone from being bullied. By helping your neighbor&#8217;s kid, you&#8217;ll be helping your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Leila</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some schools have great programs to combat bullying. I agree that the autistic kids need to learn - not &quot;coping&quot; strategies, but how to recognize and avoid bullying, which is extremely hard even for the NT child. Most of the funding should go to teach the whole classroom, not just the special needs kids, about the dangers of bullying and how you shouldn&#039;t victimize your peers.

Back in the early 80&#039;s in middle school I remember my class had some workshops where we were supposed to get out of our usual cliques and get to know the other classmates better, eliminate prejudices, etc. Teaching tolerance and friendship goes a long way. You can&#039;t eliminate bullying completely but you can reduce the incidence and try to foster important values in children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some schools have great programs to combat bullying. I agree that the autistic kids need to learn &#8211; not &#8220;coping&#8221; strategies, but how to recognize and avoid bullying, which is extremely hard even for the NT child. Most of the funding should go to teach the whole classroom, not just the special needs kids, about the dangers of bullying and how you shouldn&#8217;t victimize your peers.</p>
<p>Back in the early 80&#8217;s in middle school I remember my class had some workshops where we were supposed to get out of our usual cliques and get to know the other classmates better, eliminate prejudices, etc. Teaching tolerance and friendship goes a long way. You can&#8217;t eliminate bullying completely but you can reduce the incidence and try to foster important values in children.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any idea how survey respondents were recruited? The article doesn&#039;t say. It would matter if it was something like &quot;Please fill out this online survey about bullying in schools.&quot;

Other than that, I take issue with the suggestions in the article in regards to solving the problem:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Dr. Elizabeth Caronna, who directs an autism center at Boston Medical Center, said social skills should be addressed because so many autistic children don’t even know they’re being bullied.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;“The first thing is teaching a lot of these kids to identify when it’s happening before it spins out of control,” Caronna said. “It’s such a big problem. It’s so prevalent.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Shouldn&#039;t the first thing involve trying to determine why some children are bullies, and identifying bullies as the &quot;problem&quot; children?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any idea how survey respondents were recruited? The article doesn&#8217;t say. It would matter if it was something like &#8220;Please fill out this online survey about bullying in schools.&#8221;</p>
<p>Other than that, I take issue with the suggestions in the article in regards to solving the problem:</p>
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<blockquote>Dr. Elizabeth Caronna, who directs an autism center at Boston Medical Center, said social skills should be addressed because so many autistic children don&#8217;t even know they&#8217;re being bullied.</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;The first thing is teaching a lot of these kids to identify when it&#8217;s happening before it spins out of control,&#8221; Caronna said. &#8220;It&#8217;s such a big problem. It&#8217;s so prevalent.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t the first thing involve trying to determine why some children are bullies, and identifying bullies as the &#8220;problem&#8221; children?</p>
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		<title>By: Socrates</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/11/90-of-autistic-kids-bullied/#comment-69431</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The I Exist report found that a worrying 56% of adults with autism had been bullied or harassed.&quot;

http://www.nas.org.uk/content/1/c6/01/63/87/I%20Exist%20England%20report.pdf

Only 56%?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The I Exist report found that a worrying 56% of adults with autism had been bullied or harassed.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nas.org.uk/content/1/c6/01/63/87/I%20Exist%20England%20report.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nas.org.uk/content/.....report.pdf</a></p>
<p>Only 56%?</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/11/90-of-autistic-kids-bullied/#comment-69427</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What about bullying of adults? It doesn’t automatically stop when a child reaches 16/18&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As clearly demonstrated by some of the autism blogs and, even, some of the commenters on this blog.</description>
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<blockquote>What about bullying of adults? It doesn&#8217;t automatically stop when a child reaches 16/18</p></blockquote>
<p>As clearly demonstrated by some of the autism blogs and, even, some of the commenters on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: almandite</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/11/90-of-autistic-kids-bullied/#comment-69426</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say that it&#039;s closer to a 100%. 

And yes, the victim absolutely carries the blame. With one exception, my dozens (you think I exaggerate. Ha.)of bullies were never punished or counseled. The emphasis was always on getting me to appear more normal. Lovely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say that it&#8217;s closer to a 100%.</p>
<p>And yes, the victim absolutely carries the blame. With one exception, my dozens (you think I exaggerate. Ha.)of bullies were never punished or counseled. The emphasis was always on getting me to appear more normal. Lovely.</p>
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		<title>By: NightStorm</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok I literally just woke up so sorry for lack of coherance. 

About every kid from the age of 3-18 has  been the target of bullying, neurotypical kids and autists alike. Autistic children get harassed just as much as any kid with a noticable disability. I will also add something else.

Autistic people also do the bullying too.

Maybe not in the classic manner but I know I enabled quiet a few people. It&#039;s defense mechianism. We try to mimic what they see. If indiviual is tormenting someone we do the same(group-harassment). Or like mostly bullies do, we lash at people, out of our own abuse and frustration. More often than not, bullies especially children are targets of abuse and bullying themselvess. The react but dumping their frustrations onto people, including easy targets like autists and down symdrome kids. Autistic kids depending how high fuctioning might do the same thing. They might have different symptoms of abuse like not sleeping or eatings or they may too feed the cycle and terrorize others out of pain. 

We need to start treating bullies like victims too, and figure out &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; are they attacking and hurting people and ask if they need to talk to an older peer for mediation or a consuler. Also we need to step a chart of occurances to see when intervention is needed. Name calling isn&#039;t as bad as oh say sexual harassment. So we need have a list of &quot;instances&quot; that bullies exbit on a particular victim and record them. We can find patterns of abuse better and find solutions.

Also. Teachers need to be held freaking accountable! If a kid from your class badgers another class member or your own. It&#039;s your responsiblity. Don&#039;t dump it on to the admistration or the parents. Take charge of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok I literally just woke up so sorry for lack of coherance.</p>
<p>About every kid from the age of 3-18 has  been the target of bullying, neurotypical kids and autists alike. Autistic children get harassed just as much as any kid with a noticable disability. I will also add something else.</p>
<p>Autistic people also do the bullying too.</p>
<p>Maybe not in the classic manner but I know I enabled quiet a few people. It&#8217;s defense mechianism. We try to mimic what they see. If indiviual is tormenting someone we do the same(group-harassment). Or like mostly bullies do, we lash at people, out of our own abuse and frustration. More often than not, bullies especially children are targets of abuse and bullying themselvess. The react but dumping their frustrations onto people, including easy targets like autists and down symdrome kids. Autistic kids depending how high fuctioning might do the same thing. They might have different symptoms of abuse like not sleeping or eatings or they may too feed the cycle and terrorize others out of pain.</p>
<p>We need to start treating bullies like victims too, and figure out <i>why</i> are they attacking and hurting people and ask if they need to talk to an older peer for mediation or a consuler. Also we need to step a chart of occurances to see when intervention is needed. Name calling isn&#8217;t as bad as oh say sexual harassment. So we need have a list of &#8220;instances&#8221; that bullies exbit on a particular victim and record them. We can find patterns of abuse better and find solutions.</p>
<p>Also. Teachers need to be held freaking accountable! If a kid from your class badgers another class member or your own. It&#8217;s your responsiblity. Don&#8217;t dump it on to the admistration or the parents. Take charge of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Socrates</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/11/90-of-autistic-kids-bullied/#comment-69424</link>
		<dc:creator>Socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about bullying of adults? It doesn&#039;t automatically stop when a child reaches 16/18</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about bullying of adults? It doesn&#8217;t automatically stop when a child reaches 16/18</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/11/90-of-autistic-kids-bullied/#comment-69419</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that I&#039;m in the minority here, but in the school boards that we&#039;ve been involved with (3, in different parts of Southern Ontario), anti-bullying education starts at kindergarten and goes at least up to grade 8 for all students.  It&#039;s definitely been successful- although bullying still exists (it&#039;s actually moving more towards online bullying after school, as students know the repercussions if they do it inschool), it has definitely helped.  Between my three kids we&#039;ve only had one bullying incident over the years (up to grade 9), and that was dealt with very swiftly by our school principal in an appropriate way- punishment and education for the bully (including home education with the parents), and support for the bullied child both in-home and at school.  The two kids (bully and bullied) eventually ended up becoming friends, and the bully now is a buddy for kids with special needs in her school and doing a great job.  

I think that the only way that there is to minimize bullying is to start teaching about it very early, and across every school in a board, and have a no-tolerance bullying policy that includes psychological and sexual bullying as well as physical.  But that&#039;s only going to happen if people demand it, and vote in school board representatives etc. who will make it a priority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that I&#8217;m in the minority here, but in the school boards that we&#8217;ve been involved with (3, in different parts of Southern Ontario), anti-bullying education starts at kindergarten and goes at least up to grade 8 for all students.  It&#8217;s definitely been successful- although bullying still exists (it&#8217;s actually moving more towards online bullying after school, as students know the repercussions if they do it inschool), it has definitely helped.  Between my three kids we&#8217;ve only had one bullying incident over the years (up to grade 9), and that was dealt with very swiftly by our school principal in an appropriate way- punishment and education for the bully (including home education with the parents), and support for the bullied child both in-home and at school.  The two kids (bully and bullied) eventually ended up becoming friends, and the bully now is a buddy for kids with special needs in her school and doing a great job.</p>
<p>I think that the only way that there is to minimize bullying is to start teaching about it very early, and across every school in a board, and have a no-tolerance bullying policy that includes psychological and sexual bullying as well as physical.  But that&#8217;s only going to happen if people demand it, and vote in school board representatives etc. who will make it a priority.</p>
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