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	<title>Comments on: Is Generation Rescue trying to get Airborne to fund junk science?</title>
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		<title>By: David N. Brown</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/12/is-generation-trying-to-get-airborne-to-fund-junk-science/#comment-87174</link>
		<dc:creator>David N. Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, GR already did a vaccinated-unvaccinated study.  They committed a mind-boggling amount of fraud, including exageration of the autism rate in the fully vaccinated by FIFTY-THREE PERCENT,but they still couldn&#039;t hide the fact that the highest concentration of autistics was in the partially vaccinated.

I think it&#039;s more likely that the grant money comes from GR&#039;s reserves or a backer like the &quot;HB&quot;.  I doubt very much whether even quacks could muster enthusiasm for giving &quot;research&quot; dollars to GR:  If they&#039;re going to fund fraudulent research, they would presumably prefer to fund COMPETENT fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, GR already did a vaccinated-unvaccinated study.  They committed a mind-boggling amount of fraud, including exageration of the autism rate in the fully vaccinated by <span class="caps">FIFTY</span>-THREE <span class="caps">PERCENT</span>,but they still couldn&#8217;t hide the fact that the highest concentration of autistics was in the partially vaccinated.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s more likely that the grant money comes from GR&#8217;s reserves or a backer like the &#8220;HB&#8221;.  I doubt very much whether even quacks could muster enthusiasm for giving &#8220;research&#8221; dollars to GR:  If they&#8217;re going to fund fraudulent research, they would presumably prefer to fund <span class="caps">COMPETENT</span> fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Broken Link</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/12/is-generation-trying-to-get-airborne-to-fund-junk-science/#comment-87157</link>
		<dc:creator>Broken Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As reported on AoA this morning by Kent Heckenlively:

&quot;I was excited to hear Jenny McCarthy’s keynote address and learn that funding had finally been secured to do a thorough vaccinated/unvaccinated study.  It’s nothing less than criminal that decades into this problem the government has not funded even basic science into this question.&quot;

This may refer to the Airborne money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As reported on AoA this morning by Kent Heckenlively:</p>
<p>&#8220;I was excited to hear Jenny McCarthy&#8217;s keynote address and learn that funding had finally been secured to do a thorough vaccinated/unvaccinated study.  It&#8217;s nothing less than criminal that decades into this problem the government has not funded even basic science into this question.&#8221;</p>
<p>This may refer to the Airborne money.</p>
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		<title>By: Prometheus</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/12/is-generation-trying-to-get-airborne-to-fund-junk-science/#comment-71177</link>
		<dc:creator>Prometheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the study cited by RAJ is fascinating in its own right, it has limited - if any - relevance to autism. A couple of points:

[1] The authors defined &quot;fever&quot; as a temperature above 37.7 deg C (~100 deg F). This is a reasonable definition of fever, but shouldn&#039;t be that surprising after giving a live virus that is as immunogenic as vaccinia. In fact, 65% of the previously unvaccinated (&lt;i&gt;vs&lt;/i&gt; smallpox) subjects developed a fever (only 19% of the previously vaccinated subjects did). This compares with the published (if vaguely referenced) figure of &quot;70%&quot; in children.

[2] The study only looked at a limited number of genes, mostly interleukin or immune-related genes. This makes the most sense, given that their target was fever, but limits the scope of the findings.

[3] Although the authors claim that these findings are potentially applicable to &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; live virus vaccines, the vaccinia virus is very different from other live virus vaccine strains. As I mentioned above, the vaccinia virus is much more immunogenic than other vaccine strains, which accounts for the &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; higher incidence of adverse effects (about one death per million vaccinations - very high for a vaccine). If you find this hard to believe, remember (or Google it) that the &lt;i&gt;normal&lt;/i&gt; result of a smallpox vaccination is a large area of redness with a small necrotic center. 

[4] As was mentioned above, the chromosomal areas where IL-1 (2q14) and IL-18 (11q22.2 - 11q22.3) are located are not in areas where autism susceptibility genes have been located.


Prometheus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the study cited by <span class="caps">RAJ</span> is fascinating in its own right, it has limited &#8211; if any &#8211; relevance to autism. A couple of points:</p>
<p>[1] The authors defined &#8220;fever&#8221; as a temperature above 37.7 deg C (~100 deg F). This is a reasonable definition of fever, but shouldn&#8217;t be that surprising after giving a live virus that is as immunogenic as vaccinia. In fact, 65% of the previously unvaccinated (<i>vs</i> smallpox) subjects developed a fever (only 19% of the previously vaccinated subjects did). This compares with the published (if vaguely referenced) figure of &#8220;70%&#8221; in children.</p>
<p>[2] The study only looked at a limited number of genes, mostly interleukin or immune-related genes. This makes the most sense, given that their target was fever, but limits the scope of the findings.</p>
<p>[3] Although the authors claim that these findings are potentially applicable to <i>all</i> live virus vaccines, the vaccinia virus is very different from other live virus vaccine strains. As I mentioned above, the vaccinia virus is much more immunogenic than other vaccine strains, which accounts for the <i>much</i> higher incidence of adverse effects (about one death per million vaccinations &#8211; very high for a vaccine). If you find this hard to believe, remember (or Google it) that the <i>normal</i> result of a smallpox vaccination is a large area of redness with a small necrotic center.</p>
<p>[4] As was mentioned above, the chromosomal areas where IL-1 (2q14) and IL-18 (11q22.2 &#8211; 11q22.3) are located are not in areas where autism susceptibility genes have been located.</p>
<p>Prometheus</p>
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		<title>By: Visitor</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/12/is-generation-trying-to-get-airborne-to-fund-junk-science/#comment-71176</link>
		<dc:creator>Visitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A vaxx/nonvaxx study, by almost any conceivable design, would be unethical, and no doctor would do it.  No IRB, not wishing to see its members sued back to their shorts, would approve it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A vaxx/nonvaxx study, by almost any conceivable design, would be unethical, and no doctor would do it.  No <span class="caps">IRB</span>, not wishing to see its members sued back to their shorts, would approve it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/12/is-generation-trying-to-get-airborne-to-fund-junk-science/#comment-71174</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, it will be retrospective. Further, I anticipate they&#039;ll be again surprised by the results, and will try to spin them the best they can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, it will be retrospective. Further, I anticipate they&#8217;ll be again surprised by the results, and will try to spin them the best they can.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/12/is-generation-trying-to-get-airborne-to-fund-junk-science/#comment-71172</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>daedalus2u,

there is no way GR could do a vaxed/unvaxed study that would keep kids from getting vaccines.  It would never get approved and they just don&#039;t have that sort of control.

What they could do is fund a university researcher (no way GR has the scientists in house) to do a study of kids records...sort of like the study out of Poland recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daedalus2u,</p>
<p>there is no way GR could do a vaxed/unvaxed study that would keep kids from getting vaccines.  It would never get approved and they just don&#8217;t have that sort of control.</p>
<p>What they could do is fund a university researcher (no way GR has the scientists in house) to do a study of kids records&#8230;sort of like the study out of Poland recently.</p>
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		<title>By: daedalus2u</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/12/is-generation-trying-to-get-airborne-to-fund-junk-science/#comment-71169</link>
		<dc:creator>daedalus2u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A vaxed vs unvaxed study would clearly be unethical because it exposes the unvaxed leg to significant risks of harm and even death from vaccine preventable diseases.  That should clearly take it off the table as not doable.  

I think that Airborne would be wise to not allow that money to be spent on something that could eventually come back to harm them, for example if some of the unvaxed children got sick and died from vaccine preventable diseases.  A minor child can&#039;t consent to something, and no one can offer consent to an injurious procedure on a child&#039;s behalf.  The dead child&#039;s estate would be completely free to sue for damages on behalf of the child, no matter what releases the child&#039;s guardian had signed.  

Who would get sued?  Pretty obviously it would be Airborne as the ones with the deep pockets.  If there is a large cohort of unvaccinated children, and a lot of them come down with vaccine preventable diseases, the liability could easily exceed the $23 million (after GR takes their cut).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A vaxed vs unvaxed study would clearly be unethical because it exposes the unvaxed leg to significant risks of harm and even death from vaccine preventable diseases.  That should clearly take it off the table as not doable.</p>
<p>I think that Airborne would be wise to not allow that money to be spent on something that could eventually come back to harm them, for example if some of the unvaxed children got sick and died from vaccine preventable diseases.  A minor child can&#8217;t consent to something, and no one can offer consent to an injurious procedure on a child&#8217;s behalf.  The dead child&#8217;s estate would be completely free to sue for damages on behalf of the child, no matter what releases the child&#8217;s guardian had signed.</p>
<p>Who would get sued?  Pretty obviously it would be Airborne as the ones with the deep pockets.  If there is a large cohort of unvaccinated children, and a lot of them come down with vaccine preventable diseases, the liability could easily exceed the $23 million (after GR takes their cut).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/12/is-generation-trying-to-get-airborne-to-fund-junk-science/#comment-71168</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two genes implicated in the small pox fever study were IL-1 and IL-18 on chromosome 2 and 11 respectively. Neither have been implicated in autism.  http://gene.sfari.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two genes implicated in the small pox fever study were IL-1 and IL-18 on chromosome 2 and 11 respectively. Neither have been implicated in autism.  <a href="http://gene.sfari.org/" rel="nofollow">http://gene.sfari.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: RAJ</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/12/is-generation-trying-to-get-airborne-to-fund-junk-science/#comment-71153</link>
		<dc:creator>RAJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several studies that could be funded that can examine an association, if any, between ASD and vaccinations. The most obvious is in identifying vaccinated and unvaccinated populations associated with prenatal flu vaccination. For decades flu vaccination for pregnant women has been recommended. However, only 1/3 of pregnant women actually receive flu vaccines during the flu season. The perfect vaccinated/unvaccinated population study.

ASD is also widely believed to be in part the consequence of gene-environment interactions. A study conducted by vaccine researchers at St. Louis University found that mild adverse reactions in adult healthy people was associated with genetic variants located on various regions of chromosome 2 and 11.

http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Genetic-Variations-Leads-to-Fever-After-Smallpox-Vaccination-22856-1/

The article states:
&quot;Stanley hopes further studies will delineate whether genetic alterations linked to fever also play a role in more serious vaccine complications. About 12 percent of children who receive the MMR vaccine develop fevers over 103 degrees, and about 4 percent of them go on to develop seizures in the weeks that follow vaccination&quot;. 

An obvious study would be to examine the genetic data contained in the AGRE data base. The AGRE data base contains thousands of multiple incident families and a study that looked for genetic alterations in regions chromosome 2 and 11 might give a clue as to whether genetic variants in these two regions represent a risk for ASD as they have been found to represent a risk for mild adverse rections to the smallpox vaccine. 

No need to conduct such a study as it has already been done. Research from the AGRE data base has been published and found the following:

&quot;Using a DNA microarray, or gene chip, the team was able to scan large stretches of sequence for tiny deletions common within the study families. They also sought out copy number variations and large-scale insertions or deletions of genetic material. In the two-fold analysis, the researchers implicated the gene neurexin 1, located on chromosome 2, as well as a swath of sequence on chromosome 11&quot;.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=largest-autism-study-finds-two-genes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several studies that could be funded that can examine an association, if any, between <span class="caps">ASD</span> and vaccinations. The most obvious is in identifying vaccinated and unvaccinated populations associated with prenatal flu vaccination. For decades flu vaccination for pregnant women has been recommended. However, only 1/3 of pregnant women actually receive flu vaccines during the flu season. The perfect vaccinated/unvaccinated population study.</p>
<p><span class="caps">ASD</span> is also widely believed to be in part the consequence of gene-environment interactions. A study conducted by vaccine researchers at St. Louis University found that mild adverse reactions in adult healthy people was associated with genetic variants located on various regions of chromosome 2 and 11.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Genetic-Variations-Leads-to-Fever-After-Smallpox-Vaccination-22856-1/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bio-medicine.org/me.....n-22856-1/</a></p>
<p>The article states:<br />
&#8220;Stanley hopes further studies will delineate whether genetic alterations linked to fever also play a role in more serious vaccine complications. About 12 percent of children who receive the <span class="caps">MMR</span> vaccine develop fevers over 103 degrees, and about 4 percent of them go on to develop seizures in the weeks that follow vaccination&#8221;.</p>
<p>An obvious study would be to examine the genetic data contained in the <span class="caps">AGRE</span> data base. The <span class="caps">AGRE</span> data base contains thousands of multiple incident families and a study that looked for genetic alterations in regions chromosome 2 and 11 might give a clue as to whether genetic variants in these two regions represent a risk for <span class="caps">ASD</span> as they have been found to represent a risk for mild adverse rections to the smallpox vaccine.</p>
<p>No need to conduct such a study as it has already been done. Research from the <span class="caps">AGRE</span> data base has been published and found the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;Using a <span class="caps">DNA</span> microarray, or gene chip, the team was able to scan large stretches of sequence for tiny deletions common within the study families. They also sought out copy number variations and large-scale insertions or deletions of genetic material. In the two-fold analysis, the researchers implicated the gene neurexin 1, located on chromosome 2, as well as a swath of sequence on chromosome 11&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=largest-autism-study-finds-two-genes" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientificamerican......-two-genes</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stanton</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/12/is-generation-trying-to-get-airborne-to-fund-junk-science/#comment-71147</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the bottom line is that a purveyor of quack cures for colds and flu is being asked to fund a vax/unvax study by a purveyor of quack cures for autism in exchange for a bundle of testimonials for its products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the bottom line is that a purveyor of quack cures for colds and flu is being asked to fund a vax/unvax study by a purveyor of quack cures for autism in exchange for a bundle of testimonials for its products.</p>
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