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		<title>By: Julian Frost</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/clinical-trial-of-donepezil-for-improving-rem-sleep-in-autistic-children/#comment-310373</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Deb: with respect, your son may have improved even without the donepizil. It sometimes happens. A child hits a milestone while on a treatment. Your story is interesting though, and it would be fascinating to find out whether or not the donepizil helped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Deb: with respect, your son may have improved even without the donepizil. It sometimes happens. A child hits a milestone while on a treatment. Your story is interesting though, and it would be fascinating to find out whether or not the donepizil helped.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/clinical-trial-of-donepezil-for-improving-rem-sleep-in-autistic-children/#comment-309964</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an autistic son who did not speak at age 6.  I can attest to the fact that after being on the medication donepizil 1.25mg (generic for aricept) my son spoke after 7 weeks on the medication.  This study was done at the NIH - National Institute of Health and I am forever greatful.  He was getting zero REM sleep at night after a few weeks on donepezil he was getting the necessary REM sleep.  I&#039;m just a mom who&#039;s beyond thrilled that this helped my son!  He&#039;s 9 now and reads and writes at a first grade level but this is more than I ever dreamed he could do.  I just wanted to share my story in case there are those who want to know if this is for real....it is!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an autistic son who did not speak at age 6.  I can attest to the fact that after being on the medication donepizil 1.25mg (generic for aricept) my son spoke after 7 weeks on the medication.  This study was done at the <span class="caps">NIH </span>- National Institute of Health and I am forever greatful.  He was getting zero <span class="caps">REM</span> sleep at night after a few weeks on donepezil he was getting the necessary <span class="caps">REM</span> sleep.  I&#8217;m just a mom who&#8217;s beyond thrilled that this helped my son!  He&#8217;s 9 now and reads and writes at a first grade level but this is more than I ever dreamed he could do.  I just wanted to share my story in case there are those who want to know if this is for real&#8230;.it is!  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Autism News: Research Studies Use of Aricept (Donepezil) for REM in Autistic Children &#124; Ultimate Autism Guide</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/clinical-trial-of-donepezil-for-improving-rem-sleep-in-autistic-children/#comment-196303</link>
		<dc:creator>Autism News: Research Studies Use of Aricept (Donepezil) for REM in Autistic Children &#124; Ultimate Autism Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 05:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Additional Information on Study Involving Aricept and REM Sleep in Autistic Children [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dr treg</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr treg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From relatively recent papers
1. Alzheimer`s disease seems to be associated with reduced numbers of large dendritic spines.
http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/19/3/586
2. Autism seems to be associated with increased dendritic spine densities.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19896929

Generally speaking it seems as though in mental retardation the short thick spines/leaves are reduced, but long thin spines/leaves are increased in number in the surface of the brain (cortex).
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/186/4169/1126

Donepezil may also have anti-inflammatory actions on microglia.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&amp;_udi=B6T0C-4YC810X-2&amp;_user=10&amp;_coverDate=02%2F11%2F2010&amp;_rdoc=1&amp;_fmt=high&amp;_orig=search&amp;_sort=d&amp;_docanchor=&amp;view=c&amp;_searchStrId=1269666152&amp;_rerunOrigin=google&amp;_acct=C000050221&amp;_version=1&amp;_urlVersion=0&amp;_userid=10&amp;md5=6f6beef2f4660070988f6709bbb2cc8c

Perhaps animal studies of the effects of donepezil on dendritic spines and the immune system say in Fragile X syndrome could have been performed before human studies on 2 year olds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From relatively recent papers<br />
1. Alzheimer`s disease seems to be associated with reduced numbers of large dendritic spines.<br />
<a href="http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/19/3/586" rel="nofollow">http://cercor.oxfordjournals.o.....t/19/3/586</a><br />
2. Autism seems to be associated with increased dendritic spine densities.<br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19896929" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19896929</a></p>
<p>Generally speaking it seems as though in mental retardation the short thick spines/leaves are reduced, but long thin spines/leaves are increased in number in the surface of the brain (cortex).<br />
<a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/186/4169/1126" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/...../4169/1126</a></p>
<p>Donepezil may also have anti-inflammatory actions on microglia.<br />
<a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&#038;_udi=B6T0C-4YC810X-2&#038;_user=10&#038;_coverDate=02%2F11%2F2010&#038;_rdoc=1&#038;_fmt=high&#038;_orig=search&#038;_sort=d&#038;_docanchor=&#038;view=c&#038;_searchStrId=1269666152&#038;_rerunOrigin=google&#038;_acct=C000050221&#038;_version=1&#038;_urlVersion=0&#038;_userid=10&#038;md5=6f6beef2f4660070988f6709bbb2cc8c" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedirect.com/s.....09bbb2cc8c</a></p>
<p>Perhaps animal studies of the effects of donepezil on dendritic spines and the immune system say in Fragile X syndrome could have been performed before human studies on 2 year olds.</p>
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		<title>By: passionlessDrone</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/clinical-trial-of-donepezil-for-improving-rem-sleep-in-autistic-children/#comment-80807</link>
		<dc:creator>passionlessDrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello friends - 

This study hit my inbox this morning on one of my alerts and I thought I&#039;d post it:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20336627&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Enhanced dendritic spine number of neurons of the prefrontal cortex, hippocampus and nucleus accumbens in old rats after chronic donepezil administration&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;In Alzheimer&#039;s disease brains morphological changes in the dendrites of pyramidal neurons of the prefrontal cortex (PFC) and hippocampus have been observed. These changes are particularly reflected in the decrement of both the dendritic tree and spine number. Donepezil is a potent and selective acetylcholinesterase inhibitor used in the treatment of Alzheimer&#039;s disease. We have studied the effect of oral administration of this drug on the morphology of neuronal cells from the brain of aged rats. We examined dendrites of pyramidal neurons of the PFC, dorsal or ventral hippocampus and medium spiny neurons of the nucleus accumbens (NAcc). Donepezil (1 mg/Kg, vo) was administrated every day for 60 days to rats aged 10 and 18 months. Dendritic morphology was studied by the Golgi-Cox stain procedure followed by Sholl analysis at 12 and 20 months ages, respectively. In all Donepezil treated-rats a significant increment of the dendritic spines number in pyramidal neurons of the PFC, dorsal hippocampus was observed. However, pyramidal neurons of the ventral hippocampus and medium spiny cells of the NAcc only showed an increase in the number of their spines in 12 months old-rats. Our results suggest that Donepezil prevents the alterations of the neuronal dendrite morphology caused by aging&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No mention of REM sleep patterns in the rodents. I&#039;m not up to speed as much as I&#039;d like to be on the subtleties of dendritic spine modifications in autism versus say, Alzheimer&#039;s (calling Dr. Treg), but I&#039;d still say we are largely groping in the dark as to the effects of this kind of stuff.  

OK!

- pD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello friends &#8211;<br />
This study hit my inbox this morning on one of my alerts and I thought I&#8217;d post it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20336627" rel="nofollow">Enhanced dendritic spine number of neurons of the prefrontal cortex, hippocampus and nucleus accumbens in old rats after chronic donepezil administration</a></p>
<p>
<blockquote>In Alzheimer&#8217;s disease brains morphological changes in the dendrites of pyramidal neurons of the prefrontal cortex (PFC) and hippocampus have been observed. These changes are particularly reflected in the decrement of both the dendritic tree and spine number. Donepezil is a potent and selective acetylcholinesterase inhibitor used in the treatment of Alzheimer&#8217;s disease. We have studied the effect of oral administration of this drug on the morphology of neuronal cells from the brain of aged rats. We examined dendrites of pyramidal neurons of the <span class="caps">PFC</span>, dorsal or ventral hippocampus and medium spiny neurons of the nucleus accumbens (NAcc). Donepezil (1 mg/Kg, vo) was administrated every day for 60 days to rats aged 10 and 18 months. Dendritic morphology was studied by the Golgi-Cox stain procedure followed by Sholl analysis at 12 and 20 months ages, respectively. In all Donepezil treated-rats a significant increment of the dendritic spines number in pyramidal neurons of the <span class="caps">PFC</span>, dorsal hippocampus was observed. However, pyramidal neurons of the ventral hippocampus and medium spiny cells of the NAcc only showed an increase in the number of their spines in 12 months old-rats. Our results suggest that Donepezil prevents the alterations of the neuronal dendrite morphology caused by aging</p></blockquote>
<p>No mention of <span class="caps">REM</span> sleep patterns in the rodents. I&#8217;m not up to speed as much as I&#8217;d like to be on the subtleties of dendritic spine modifications in autism versus say, Alzheimer&#8217;s (calling Dr. Treg), but I&#8217;d still say we are largely groping in the dark as to the effects of this kind of stuff.</p>
<p>OK!</p>
<p> &#8211; pD</p>
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		<title>By: passionlessDrone</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/clinical-trial-of-donepezil-for-improving-rem-sleep-in-autistic-children/#comment-80576</link>
		<dc:creator>passionlessDrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sullivan - 

Thanks for posting this.  I had the exact same thoughts regarding melatonin that you did.  Anyways, the availability of REM sleep time as a more empirical measurement than the fuzzy nature of behavioral evaluations is a nice touch, but I tend to think that (maybe?) the overall thought process behind this trial is a bit more wide ranging considering this drugs usage in Alzheimers.  (I doubt increased REM is the only thing going on once you start tinkering around with neurotransmitters like this.)

We tried a different acetylcholinesterase inhibitor (galantamine) with Luke, but the side effects were quick in coming and convinced us that whatever benifit it might eventually provide couldn&#039;t be worth it.  

I saw a really neat NOVA science now regarding sleep and how much is being learned about how the brain learns during sleep.  It was completely fascinating, and it does occur to me (now) that there is a possible link between the sleep problems in many children with autism and difficulties learning.  

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3410/01.html

- pD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sullivan &#8211;<br />
Thanks for posting this.  I had the exact same thoughts regarding melatonin that you did.  Anyways, the availability of <span class="caps">REM</span> sleep time as a more empirical measurement than the fuzzy nature of behavioral evaluations is a nice touch, but I tend to think that (maybe?) the overall thought process behind this trial is a bit more wide ranging considering this drugs usage in Alzheimers.  (I doubt increased <span class="caps">REM</span> is the only thing going on once you start tinkering around with neurotransmitters like this.)</p>
<p>We tried a different acetylcholinesterase inhibitor (galantamine) with Luke, but the side effects were quick in coming and convinced us that whatever benifit it might eventually provide couldn&#8217;t be worth it.</p>
<p>I saw a really neat <span class="caps">NOVA</span> science now regarding sleep and how much is being learned about how the brain learns during sleep.  It was completely fascinating, and it does occur to me (now) that there is a possible link between the sleep problems in many children with autism and difficulties learning.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3410/01.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/s.....10/01.html</a></p>
<p> &#8211; pD</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/clinical-trial-of-donepezil-for-improving-rem-sleep-in-autistic-children/#comment-80557</link>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian MacGregor,

The question about dreaming is very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian MacGregor,</p>
<p>The question about dreaming is very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian MacGregor,

Thanks for that reference.

The paper you note is here:
https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/1649/1/pn03015.pdf


&lt;blockquote&gt;The side effect profile of DH use in children suggests that in most children it can be tolerated with irritability, hyperactivity, and mild gastrointestinal upset seen in a subset of participants. Decreasing the daily dosage from 2.5 to 1.25 milligrams often ameliorated persistent side effects. The most common adverse event was the concomitant increase in mood swings and lability. Reports of increases in lability, crying, and irritability were often accompanied by reports of increased exploration of environment and increased affection, for example.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I saw another paper on the use of this drug for memory issues in epileptics.  Both of these papers were inconclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian MacGregor,</p>
<p>Thanks for that reference.</p>
<p>The paper you note is here:<br />
<a href="https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/1649/1/pn03015.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/1649/1/pn03015.pdf</a></p>
<p>
<blockquote>The side effect profile of DH use in children suggests that in most children it can be tolerated with irritability, hyperactivity, and mild gastrointestinal upset seen in a subset of participants. Decreasing the daily dosage from 2.5 to 1.25 milligrams often ameliorated persistent side effects. The most common adverse event was the concomitant increase in mood swings and lability. Reports of increases in lability, crying, and irritability were often accompanied by reports of increased exploration of environment and increased affection, for example.</p></blockquote>
<p>I saw another paper on the use of this drug for memory issues in epileptics.  Both of these papers were inconclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian MacGregor</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/clinical-trial-of-donepezil-for-improving-rem-sleep-in-autistic-children/#comment-80552</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian MacGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have already been open-label and double blind crossover studies for this  drug.  

This one I have not been able to locate

Chez MG, Buchanan TM, Becker M, Kessler J, Aimonovitch MC, Mrazek SR (2003) Donepezil hydrochloride: a double-blind study in autistic children. J Pediatric Neurol 1:83–88.

Perusing through some of the articles I found that it may cause oneiric confusion.   I had to look it up.  Oneiric means having to do with dreams.  

One thing I&#039;ve often wondered is whether my daughter dreams and what she dreams of.  She is not able to tell me herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have already been open-label and double blind crossover studies for this  drug.</p>
<p>This one I have not been able to locate</p>
<p>Chez MG, Buchanan TM, Becker M, Kessler J, Aimonovitch MC, Mrazek <span class="caps">SR </span>(2003) Donepezil hydrochloride: a double-blind study in autistic children. J Pediatric Neurol 1:83&#8211;88.</p>
<p>Perusing through some of the articles I found that it may cause oneiric confusion.   I had to look it up.  Oneiric means having to do with dreams.</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;ve often wondered is whether my daughter dreams and what she dreams of.  She is not able to tell me herself.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurentius Rex</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/clinical-trial-of-donepezil-for-improving-rem-sleep-in-autistic-children/#comment-80538</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurentius Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No the simplest explanation is a lack of any regular diurnal rhythm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No the simplest explanation is a lack of any regular diurnal rhythm.</p>
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