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	<title>Comments on: Vaccines Don’t Cause Autism</title>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/vaccines-don%e2%80%99t-cause-autism/#comment-79029</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prometheus wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;3.) We know what mercury poisoning looks like, from decades of sad experience.
4.) Autism looks nothing like mercury poisoning.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


We also know, via exceptionally thorough and independent longitudinal studies, that extensive prenatal and postnatal exposure to mercury is not associated with an increased risk for ASD. The most recent paper that I&#039;ve seen from this work [Neurotoxicology. 2009 May;30(3):338-49] affirms that if you do enough tests of neurodevelopmental outcomes, some will seem significant (this should also be true if you did a sufficient number of tests of, say, macaque reflexes), but that &quot;no consistent pattern of associations emerged to support a causal relationship.&quot; (Sometimes mercury seems to &lt;i&gt;improve&lt;/i&gt; the outcome.)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19442817

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17029020</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prometheus wrote:</p>
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<blockquote>3.) We know what mercury poisoning looks like, from decades of sad experience.<br />
4.) Autism looks nothing like mercury poisoning.</p></blockquote>
<p>We also know, via exceptionally thorough and independent longitudinal studies, that extensive prenatal and postnatal exposure to mercury is not associated with an increased risk for <span class="caps">ASD</span>. The most recent paper that I&#8217;ve seen from this work [Neurotoxicology. 2009 May;30(3):338-49] affirms that if you do enough tests of neurodevelopmental outcomes, some will seem significant (this should also be true if you did a sufficient number of tests of, say, macaque reflexes), but that &#8220;no consistent pattern of associations emerged to support a causal relationship.&#8221; (Sometimes mercury seems to <i>improve</i> the outcome.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19442817" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19442817</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17029020" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17029020</a></p>
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		<title>By: Prometheus</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/vaccines-don%e2%80%99t-cause-autism/#comment-79023</link>
		<dc:creator>Prometheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric S. correctly notes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;1.) Autism is a neurological condition.
2.) Mercury causes neurological harm to developing brains.
Both of these statements are scientific and irrefutable.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To these I&#039;d like to add two &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; facts that are &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; &quot;scientific and irrefutable&quot;:

3.) We know what mercury poisoning looks like, from decades of sad experience.

4.) Autism looks &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; like mercury poisoning.


What Eric S. has done is try to connect - by physical proximity - two &quot;facts&quot; that are true but &lt;i&gt;unrelated&lt;/i&gt;.


Prometheus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric S. correctly notes:</p>
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<blockquote><i>&#8220;1.) Autism is a neurological condition.<br />
2.) Mercury causes neurological harm to developing brains.<br />
Both of these statements are scientific and irrefutable.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>To these I&#8217;d like to add two <i>more</i> facts that are <i>also</i> &#8220;scientific and irrefutable&#8221;:</p>
<p>3.) We know what mercury poisoning looks like, from decades of sad experience.</p>
<p>4.) Autism looks <i>nothing</i> like mercury poisoning.</p>
<p>What Eric S. has done is try to connect &#8211; by physical proximity &#8211; two &#8220;facts&#8221; that are true but <i>unrelated</i>.</p>
<p>Prometheus</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stanton</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/vaccines-don%e2%80%99t-cause-autism/#comment-78965</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Chris,
but who in their right mind would give fish oil to an autistic child?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Chris,<br />
but who in their right mind would give fish oil to an autistic child?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/vaccines-don%e2%80%99t-cause-autism/#comment-78950</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I would like to add that the form of mercury in fish, methylmercury, is more dangerous than the form in vaccines.  Plus there is much more in fish than in vaccines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I would like to add that the form of mercury in fish, methylmercury, is more dangerous than the form in vaccines.  Plus there is much more in fish than in vaccines.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/vaccines-don%e2%80%99t-cause-autism/#comment-78949</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us take Eric&#039;s statements and elaborate:

1.) Autism is a neurological condition.

2.) Mercury causes neurological harm to developing brains.

3.) Many fish contain &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/Product-SpecificInformation/Seafood/FoodbornePathogensContaminants/Methylmercury/ucm115644.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mercury&lt;/a&gt;.

4.) Therefore eating certain kinds of fish causes autism.

Remember this, especially with the dwindling size of the bluefin tuna populations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us take Eric&#8217;s statements and elaborate:</p>
<p>1.) Autism is a neurological condition.</p>
<p>2.) Mercury causes neurological harm to developing brains.</p>
<p>3.) Many fish contain <a href="http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/Product-SpecificInformation/Seafood/FoodbornePathogensContaminants/Methylmercury/ucm115644.htm" rel="nofollow">mercury</a>.</p>
<p>4.) Therefore eating certain kinds of fish causes autism.</p>
<p>Remember this, especially with the dwindling size of the bluefin tuna populations.</p>
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		<title>By: Dedj</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/vaccines-don%e2%80%99t-cause-autism/#comment-78946</link>
		<dc:creator>Dedj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can I draw a conclusion from these two statements? I’d hope not.&quot;

Indeed, there are a number of known risk factors that can cause neurological harm. The conditions that arise from these are not seen as being variations of autism, yet by the logic that Eric obviously means yet somehow failed to make clear (a trick that means he can deny he said anything of the sort when it all goes pear-shaped and still convince himself he&#039;s not a liar or dishonest) all of these sources of neurological harm must therefore be able to cause autism.

2.) can be replaced with any single known cause of neurological harm and it would still work, yet Wernickes Dementia is not autism. Parkinsons disease is not autism. Stroke is not autism. Traumatic brain injury is not autism. Diabetic encephalopathy is not autism. etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can I draw a conclusion from these two statements? I&#8217;d hope not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, there are a number of known risk factors that can cause neurological harm. The conditions that arise from these are not seen as being variations of autism, yet by the logic that Eric obviously means yet somehow failed to make clear (a trick that means he can deny he said anything of the sort when it all goes pear-shaped and still convince himself he&#8217;s not a liar or dishonest) all of these sources of neurological harm must therefore be able to cause autism.</p>
<p>2.) can be replaced with any single known cause of neurological harm and it would still work, yet Wernickes Dementia is not autism. Parkinsons disease is not autism. Stroke is not autism. Traumatic brain injury is not autism. Diabetic encephalopathy is not autism. etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/vaccines-don%e2%80%99t-cause-autism/#comment-78945</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eric: Sure. So are the following:

1) Autism is a neurological condition.

2) Mothers who dope, smoke and drink cause harm to developing brains.

Can I draw a conclusion from these two statements? I&#039;d hope not.

BTW, your #2 requires a caveat that &quot;mercury in sufficient doses&quot; causes neurological harm. Every fetus is exposed to &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; mercury, and always has since humans exist.

Let&#039;s try another syllogism:

1) Eric S. is an anti-vaxer.

2) Many snake-oil salesmen and con artists are anti-vaxers. 

See what I mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eric: Sure. So are the following:</p>
<p>1) Autism is a neurological condition.</p>
<p>2) Mothers who dope, smoke and drink cause harm to developing brains.</p>
<p>Can I draw a conclusion from these two statements? I&#8217;d hope not.</p>
<p><span class="caps">BTW</span>, your #2 requires a caveat that &#8220;mercury in sufficient doses&#8221; causes neurological harm. Every fetus is exposed to <i>some</i> mercury, and always has since humans exist.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s try another syllogism:</p>
<p>1) Eric S. is an anti-vaxer.</p>
<p>2) Many snake-oil salesmen and con artists are anti-vaxers.</p>
<p>See what I mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Dedj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dedj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done for noticing that Eric.

Perhaps you&#039;ll provide some form of arguement next visit. Or maybe crack open a entry level book on neurology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done for noticing that Eric.</p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;ll provide some form of arguement next visit. Or maybe crack open a entry level book on neurology.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.) Autism is a neurological condition. 

2.) Mercury causes neurological harm to developing brains. 

Both of these statements are scientific and irrefutable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.) Autism is a neurological condition.</p>
<p>2.) Mercury causes neurological harm to developing brains.</p>
<p>Both of these statements are scientific and irrefutable.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you tell if macaques are autistic?  Why did they use a form of a vaccine that is not used anymore?  Thimerosal has been removed from pediatric vaccines (even influenza is available without thimerosal), so why beat a dead horse? 

How come the control numbers kept changing?  Was that due to massaging the data?  From &lt;a href=&quot;http://photoninthedarkness.com/?p=178&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A &quot;Made for Court&quot; Study?&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;blockquote&gt;This study raises more red flags than a Kremlin May Day parade in the old Soviet Union. It appears that control subjects were added post hoc and that unproductive reflexes were dropped from the data. One of the authors – the “anchor” author – has been implicated in research and ethical misconduct and is awaiting adjudication. Other authors have significant personal conflicts of interest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why should we read about science from a newspaper, especially one with the (lack of) reputation like the Daily Mail?  And that article does not even mention Wakefield, and there is a separate group that opposes pet vaccines.  How did you miss that?

Do you know how to make a veterinarian very angry?  &lt;a href=&quot;http://vetpath.co.uk/voodoo/vettimes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Get your dog homeopathic vaccines, and then bring them into a real vet when they have parvovirus and die&lt;/a&gt;... &lt;blockquote&gt;Just to put in my two pence worth regarding homoeopathy.  Never have I been so frustrated after losing five out of nine infected Lhasa Apso puppies from two different litters with diagnostically confirmed parvovirus. The breeder had vaccinated them, as per the instructions, using a homoeopathic vaccination that was recommended by other breeders and bought from a large company in London.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Such meaningless suffering and death due to exploitation of a breeder&#039;s ignorance leaves me aghast. The ludicrous idea that homoeopathy plays a part in canine vaccination makes me quite ill.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you tell if macaques are autistic?  Why did they use a form of a vaccine that is not used anymore?  Thimerosal has been removed from pediatric vaccines (even influenza is available without thimerosal), so why beat a dead horse?</p>
<p>How come the control numbers kept changing?  Was that due to massaging the data?  From <a href="http://photoninthedarkness.com/?p=178" rel="nofollow">A &#8220;Made for Court&#8221; Study?</a>:<br />
<blockquote>This study raises more red flags than a Kremlin May Day parade in the old Soviet Union. It appears that control subjects were added post hoc and that unproductive reflexes were dropped from the data. One of the authors &#8211; the &#8220;anchor&#8221; author &#8211; has been implicated in research and ethical misconduct and is awaiting adjudication. Other authors have significant personal conflicts of interest.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why should we read about science from a newspaper, especially one with the (lack of) reputation like the Daily Mail?  And that article does not even mention Wakefield, and there is a separate group that opposes pet vaccines.  How did you miss that?</p>
<p>Do you know how to make a veterinarian very angry?  <a href="http://vetpath.co.uk/voodoo/vettimes.html" rel="nofollow">Get your dog homeopathic vaccines, and then bring them into a real vet when they have parvovirus and die</a>...<br />
<blockquote>Just to put in my two pence worth regarding homoeopathy.  Never have I been so frustrated after losing five out of nine infected Lhasa Apso puppies from two different litters with diagnostically confirmed parvovirus. The breeder had vaccinated them, as per the instructions, using a homoeopathic vaccination that was recommended by other breeders and bought from a large company in London.</p></blockquote>
<p></p>
<blockquote><p>Such meaningless suffering and death due to exploitation of a breeder&#8217;s ignorance leaves me aghast. The ludicrous idea that homoeopathy plays a part in canine vaccination makes me quite ill.
</p></blockquote>
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