MMS supporters fight back…by the dozens…

12 Jun

Emily Willingham and Jennifer Byde-Myers created a Change.org petition No bleach enemas to “cure” autism in children! Right now there are over 1,700 signatures to that petition. If you haven’t signed yet, consider doing so now.

The “inventor” (Jim Humble) of MMS (Miracle Mineral Solution) started his own petition to defend the practice: Emily Willingham: Stop telling people that MMS is bleach because it is not.

The petition is short…and incorrect:

Stop telling people that MMS is bleach because it is not

Because there are some mothers that don’t realize that Emily is wrong and they may never help their child to attain normalcy.

Which so far has 46 of the hoped-for 1,000,000 signatures he was seeking. Mr. Humble, of course, is one of the 46.

As is “credulous nimrod”

Just because this is exactly the same chemical as bleach doesn’t mean Emily should call it bleach! This is because of reasons. And quantum mechanics. And I trust that Jim Humble would never lie to desperate parents just because he’s selling this product for a profit! Enough of the medical establishment and their “science” and their “first, do no harm.” We want pointless feel-good actions that take advantage of our sadness and our scientific illiteracy!

and “Igor K”

Stop the fearmongering. Just because sodium chlorite bleaches through oxidation and is grouped with other chlorine bleaches that operate in a similar fashion (i.e. chlorine dioxide, chlorine, and calcium hypochlorite does not make it a bleach. That tits industrial manufacturer’s label it as such also means nothing. I regularly drink inappropriately named acidic drain cleaners to relieve constipation. That the public health agencies all over the world recognize MMS’ risks as poisoning, renal failure, reduction of the ability of the blood to carry oxygen, abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea doesn’t mean they know what they are talking about. To prove it, I volunteer myself along with everyone to sign this petition for a public demonstration where each person will consume a gallon of undiluted sodium chlorite without any deleterious health effects. Then, they will have to accept it as evidence of our correctness.

And this even with people promoting the petition. It seems safe to say that MMS does not have a broad base of support.

I can not recall anything which has been touted as a method to “recover” children from autism has ever been publicly rejected by groups promoting so-called “biomedical” approaches. But here’s a chance to step up to the plate.

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235 Responses to “MMS supporters fight back…by the dozens…”

  1. lilady July 1, 2012 at 16:28 #

    If I could make a suggestion…just ignore this odious troll. It has proven over and over again that it knows nothing about chemistry, operates on a juvenile level and seeks to engage by defending the indefensible.

    How totally boring it is, to take the time to explain repeatedly why it is not a good idea to use MMS on yourself. It is beyond ludicrous that we treat this troll as a decent human being, when all It does is provide not one whit of scientific proof about the “pathogens” and the “parasites” that “infect” autistic kids…and that “require” industrial bleach to “cure” them.

    It is no better than the child abusers who force the bleach on their defenseless kids… just as culpable. So why bother?

  2. Wilby July 1, 2012 at 17:19 #

    mikemawords “Real science needs real evidence….
    I will apologize when you present some.”

    Yes you will and when that happens I won’t gloat, I will assist you towards a better health.

    • Chris July 1, 2012 at 18:03 #

      So you have no intention of presenting real evidence? Good to know, now go away.

  3. Wilby July 2, 2012 at 01:53 #

    James July 1, 2012 at 02:32 #

    With respect Wilby… even with all the truths put against MMS… even if there wasn’t… its not up to the critics really to prove that it doesn’t work. Rather it is on the onus on proponents of MMS to prove that it works through rigorous tests and studies that stand up to scrutiny.

    Then let this and this alone be your arguement.

    Making claims as to what mms does by you folks is no different then us making claims.

    You prove scientifically that it is causing harm and we need to prove that it does what we claim it does.

    Either way, you can not prove anything to the contrary of what we say. So yes you do need to prove your facts — especially if this was to be a lawful safety concern.
    _________________________________

    Again, to repeat myself, MMS (ClO2) is weaker than Ozone and Oxygen when used at the recommended doses in the human body. That is why there has not been any injuries, it is to weak to damage healthy cells.

    IT IS NOT INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH BLEACH ANY MORE THAN THE SUN IS A POWERFUL DESTRUCTIVE FORCE ON EARTH — BOTH ARE SAFE WHEN USED AT RECOMMENDED LEVELS. THIS ANALOGY CAN BE APPLIED TO ANY MEDICATION AND ALMOST ANYTHING ELSE WE CONSUME.

    So stop with the industrial bleach proganda — this is a misleading statement. If your movement wants to be respected for your concerns then just state the scientific formulated facts and show how the ClO2 molecule can hurt a healthy cell. (it does not)

    Unlike chlorine, CD is non-mutagenic, non-carcinogenic, and relatively non-irritating. CD does not form hydrochloric acid when exposed to water as does chlorine. It also does not combine with organics to form carcinogenic chlorinated hydrocarbons. One could ask what the difference between carbon and carbon dioxide is. Similarly, chlorine is much different than chlorine dioxide gas.

    I am supplying some links I found for people that wish to know more about Chlorine Dioxide — not at mms levels
    http://www.clordisys.com/ follow all the links onm their site

    Based on the true facts Jim Humble found a safe level of ClO2 for ingestion to kill pathogens in the human body. There is already a food grade level for use.

    http://www.safeox.com/chlorine-dioxide-applications/food-beverage-processing

    Does this sound like industrial strength bleach? — NO

    MMS/chlorine dioxide is safe for humans at the proper levels for each task it is applied.

    The FDA approved ClO2 many years ago but hey never seen it as a cure all until Jim Humble came along. They are scared and at this time all they have is bullying and misinformation tactics.

    I can search out more sites later.

    • Chris July 2, 2012 at 01:56 #

      Why should we believe you? Especially since we do not believe Jim Humble.

      • Wilby July 2, 2012 at 02:03 #

        What you believe is irrelevant.

      • Chris July 2, 2012 at 03:21 #

        So why are you here if you are trying to persuade us, but in the end if what we think is irrelevant?

    • James July 3, 2012 at 11:13 #

      I kind of like the double speak I see more and more of. ‘The FDA is biased and just lets drug companies flog whatever they want so we need more regulation’. Versus the whole ‘the FDA restricts our freedom so we need less regulation to flood the market with whatever our resident guy/gal-with-the-pretty-smile cooks on a hotplate’.

      What is it? Is it more or less regulation? I also object to Wilby’s retort to my original post about conducting tests by pigeonholing it in the ‘FDA’ category. I’m sorry but testing is testing. We can debate the merits of WHO tests it as well as concerns as to manipualted data (in an ideal world we’d examine all tests like that) but if proponents of MMS or other flavour of the month ‘treatments’ for everything under the sun claim that its safe they should carry out these tests.

      Make the methodology and everything as public as possible. If it stands up to scrutiny you can’t convince me that even 20% of all the scientists and researchers are so paid by big pharma that it wouldnt hold let alone 98.987%. It’s kind of sad that theres this whole ‘we want safe vaccines’ bit and pointing to 30 out of 10 million complications from the Hepatitus B vaccines (and its VAERS…. so yea… still only 30 cases out of 10 million is HUGE how much safer could you realistically make it really?) is a ‘tragedy’. But as far as it is in supporting the ‘supplemental’ industry (which is huge bugger off if you think theres no financial gain for these people) on just a wink and a nod and rolling the dice THATS OK!?

  4. lilady July 2, 2012 at 05:15 #

    As I stated before, we should just ignore this troll. Wilby cannot justify the abuse of developmentally disabled children, is too ignorant to understand why the FDA has issued advisories against using MMS for any purpose on humans…or understand why Canada and the European Union has banned MMS bleach for consumption, dosing, enemas or bathing.

    Wilby is just another troll and child abuser who condones experimentation on kids with autism.

    Why doesn’t Wilby speak out for these poor innocent defenseless kids who are being abused by their parents? Why doesn’t Wilby report parents who are bleaching their kids to the local Child Protective Services agency…if, in fact, Wilby is certain that MMS is not
    bleach and kids do not suffer…to let experts decide if MMS is treatment or torture?

    The answer is simple.

    • Gray Falcon July 2, 2012 at 15:21 #

      Wilby, we’re asking for evidence that MMS works for what you claim it works for, evidence that your claims are true. Your attempts at misdirection are not helping your case at all.

      • Justin Williams October 10, 2012 at 12:50 #

        BAHAHAH!!!!! IDIOTS. MMS is the best thing we have ever seen. Safely remove heavy metals? Kill bacteria and pesticides? I have a refrigerator downstairs with $15 grand worth of interferon and ribo to treat the incurable HEPATITIS C for my girlfiriend before she went through with this traditional half assed money promoting way of TREATING her condition. 2 months of the protocol a lot of fatigue but overall cleaning of her body she now shows 0 viral level. hrmmmm MMS cost us 20 dollors. All the doubters will talk shit all they want but guess what!? She is cured, the money will always make small get a bad rap. Ive seen numerous cases of cancer cured ummm do u realize how many jobs would be lost if this were brought into the mainstream??? There is a disease of the decade. Susan G. Komen and breast cancer?? give them fucking mms. Dead god all you people will stay idiots. Take down your ideas that puts any faith in the medical system. They are all crooks. Heal yourself and stop doubting. Ive been taking mms on and off for 3 years just to stay clean and happy. Im healthy as a horse. Go take ur lyrica and get ur flu shots. You guys are obviously tainting the genetic pool.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) October 10, 2012 at 14:10 #

        Don’t “treat” hepatitis. Use a bleach to “safely remove heavy metals”. I wish you luck.

      • Science Mom October 10, 2012 at 14:27 #

        So Justin Williams has been taking MMS for three years. Boy does it show.

      • novalox October 10, 2012 at 18:04 #

        @justin williams

        [citation needed]

        @Science Mom

        You got that right

  5. Wilby July 2, 2012 at 15:07 #

    MY INFORMATION KEEPS GETTING DELETED — OH WELL

    • novalox July 2, 2012 at 15:11 #

      @wilby

      Why should we care about the whining of a known child abuser like you?

    • Sullivan July 2, 2012 at 15:30 #

      I have not deleted a single comment of yours nor has anything you wrote been edited. I will try check the spam filter but I will say that you are very close to being banned.

    • Chris July 2, 2012 at 15:43 #

      They may be on the other comment page, the one that you can get to is you click on “older comments.” Though, having you and your nonsense banned sounds like a good idea.

    • Sullivan July 2, 2012 at 15:46 #

      Wilby,

      you had one comment in spam, but and that was written after your complaint.

  6. Science Mom July 2, 2012 at 18:32 #

    Wilby, your comments have devolved into schoolyard taunts and you haven’t answered any questions posed to you nor provided any evidence for your claims. The fact is is that many who comment here are qualified scientists, physicians and others who have a good working knowledge of scientific disciplines. You clearly do not so if you are so bored and your vast knowledge transcends that of us small-minded shills, then there are other sites who would be happy to have you.

  7. Wilby July 3, 2012 at 00:47 #

    http://www.miraclemineral.org/products/the-miracle-mineral-solution-of-the-21st-century/

    free book

    Chlorine Dioxide is used in food grade levels — not in industrial grade levels as falsely claimed.

    http://www.safeox.com/chlorine-dioxide-applications/food-beverage-processing

    • novalox July 3, 2012 at 02:24 #

      @wilby

      Still no evidence for your position, eh, child abuser?

    • Sullivan July 3, 2012 at 02:31 #

      From Wilby’s link:

      ” Typically applied at between 2 and 5 ppm”

      Yes, Andrew in disinfecting application 2 to 5 parts per million are used. Not so in mms, where much higher concentrations are used.

      With this in I will put Wilby into moderation. If he writes the same old stuff, and he will be deleted.

    • James July 3, 2012 at 11:18 #

      ‘Partial E-Book free’. From Humbles own site. The guys demanding people fork out cash for his legal costs and trying to seel it for his own profit? Why should we trust this guy really since hes trying to sell all this and make money? Why the double standard? Is it because his last name is ‘Humble’ and we are supposed to trust a last name like that implicitely like the trusty old grandpa with age old wisdom who is never wrong?

  8. Lawrence July 3, 2012 at 01:04 #

    Wow – an advertisement for a “free” book & a page on the industrial applications of Chlorine-Dioxide in cleaning foods……you are an idiot Wilby.

  9. Wilby July 3, 2012 at 14:48 #

    Now you are reading my comments before you post them — you are definitely FDA supported

    • Sullivan July 3, 2012 at 23:56 #

      Probably the last comment from Wilby. Two comments (the same as before) are not going to be approved.

    • Thomas July 4, 2012 at 00:14 #

      Yep. That’s why Sullivan has let you make dozens of comments.

    • novalox July 4, 2012 at 18:34 #

      @wilby

      Yawn, the old Pharma Shill, one of the last resorts of the quack.

  10. Science Mom July 4, 2012 at 00:35 #

    you are definitely FDA supported

    I guess Wilby is projecting this given the shameless fashion s/he has been pimping MMS. Unlike MMS child abusers, I think the FDA is running on enough of a shoestring budget to be paying for blog shills.

  11. Wilby July 14, 2012 at 17:38 #

    Interesting articles at http://www.naturalnews.com/036417_Glaxo_Merck_fraud.html

    Big Pharma criminality no longer a conspiracy theory: Bribery, fraud, price fixing now a matter of public record
    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036417_Glaxo_Merck_fraud.html#ixzz20TdSHxf4

    GlaxoSmithKline pleads guilty to bribery, fraud and other crimes
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    Merck falsified vaccine data, spiked blood samples and more, say former employees
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    Millions of children put at risk by Merck
    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036417_Glaxo_Merck_fraud.html#ixzz20Tdmrlo3

    Obama administration has zero interest in actual justice
    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036417_Glaxo_Merck_fraud.html#ixzz20TduieJ9

    Pfizer sued by retailers over anticompetitive scheme

    No arrests or prosecution of Big Pharma executives
    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036417_Glaxo_Merck_fraud.html#ixzz20TeBxDXp

  12. MMS Debunked September 22, 2012 at 09:13 #

    Hello. I have been researching MMS for over 2 years now. I run a website and have started making some videos that hopefully will make people think a little more critically about some of the claims made about this scam.

    https://sites.google.com/site/mmsdebunked/

    https://www.youtube.com/user/mmsfraud/videos

    • Judith Mercader December 17, 2012 at 04:05 #

      I’m a MMS taker of 5 years. I have cured myself of the following diagnosed illnesses exclusively with MMS: staph infection, a 30 year old recurring urinary tract infection that has never come back, gingivitis, acne, arthritis, typhus, athlete’s foot and strep throat. In fact, the only thing that it hasn’t worked with is a type of fungus in the skin that I treat with bentonite clay. It is a pity that there are so many people out there that could benefit from MMS that will not take it because of this misinformation campaign or blind fanatics. Let it be on your conscience.

      • Chris December 17, 2012 at 04:19 #

        To quote Sagan: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If all that is true, then you should be willing to submit all of your medical records to a researcher so that they can be published. There might be some real cash for you if you win a prize.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) December 17, 2012 at 05:22 #

        Judith Mercader,

        I’m glad you are feeling better. As to whether this site has any influence on whether MMS is being applied to “treat” autism in disabled children, I can not say. If this article resulted in one fewer disabled child being subjected to ingesting the bleach solution as an “autism treatment” or bing given a bleach solution enema, I’m good with that. I’ll sleep.

      • MMS Debunked December 17, 2012 at 07:48 #

        Hi Judith. I don’t doubt you believe the things you write and I also don’t doubt you don’t care what people think ‘studies show’ or what evidence they want you to show. You experienced something and that’s enough proof for you. Right?

        The problem with that though, is that disease and medicine are far more complex then most people imagine. Your naive interpretation of your experiences could not possibly give you a good reason to actually believe MMS did anything. I don’t mean naive in any derogatory sense, I mean naive in a way that almost all humans are when it comes to things we think we “feel” but can’t actually SEE, like diseases.

        Take your examples, for example. Staph infection, most staph infections are not serious and clear up by them selves. Did you apply MMS topically or did you drink it? MMS is a disinfectant so it’s actually not unreasonable to suggest it might help with a skin infection.

        UTI I’m not going to comment on because it’s too complex, short version is, you are “cured” every time your UTI goes away and you get reinfected every time you get it. So you haven’t been “re-infected”, I really don’t see how you can credit MMS for this.

        Gingivitis is a gum infection, normal gingivitis treatments include oral disinfectants, including hydrogen peroxide, so no surprise that MMS might help, no big “conspiracy” there. (The pattern here if you haven’t noticed is TOPICAL, you don’t DRINK the disinfectant).

        Acne and athlete’s foot, similarly, maybe you’re just washing your skin more in those areas?

        Arthritis, I hate to break it to you but you are not cured of arthritis. Arthritis is a degenerative disease which your body can not “undo”, no matter what you do. You “symptoms” might be better, if you were correctly diagnosed in the 1st place, however symptoms are extremely subjective. This is why arthritis is just about the most widely targeted condition when it comes to quack medicine, just google arthritis treatment and you’ll get everything from magnets to copper bracelets which almost certainly don’t really DO anything.

        Typhus? You HAD typhus? really?? Where did you catch that? I thought it was fairly rare these days, were you bitten by a flying squirrel? I very much doubt you were diagnosed with typhus and not given antibiotics.

        Strep throat: straight from wikipedia “Untreated streptococcal pharyngitis usually resolves within a few days”.. So yeah, wow MMS cured you of strep throat, amazing..

        So when you actually examine genuine claims about MMS that you find on the internet, like I have for over 2 years now, claims that don’t obviously obviously come from an MMS promoter but a well meaning user, like yourself, you find that they really don’t amount to anything extremely compelling. Sorry, there’s nothing there that makes me even slightly impressed. Find some people who say they’ve been cured of something like AIDS, then i’ll be impressed. Jim has been claiming for several years that he himself cured nearly 400 people of AIDS in just a single month. So where are they? Why hasn’t a single one of them gone to Joe Mercola or Mike Adams? They would absolutely JUMP at the chance to stick it to “big pharma”.

  13. lilady December 17, 2012 at 05:03 #

    It’s industrial bleach not suitable for human consumption or for enema solutions. Show us the studies that MMS has cured any disease, disorder or zits. Ditto to what Chris quoting Carl Sagan stated about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence.

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