Since bleach wasn’t enough, let’s start adding hydrochloric acid to MMS?

27 Aug

MMS. Miracle Mineral Solution is dangerous bunk. They’ve taken such a hit with people exposing it as bunk that they’ve started rebranding themselves as “CD” of “Chlorine Dioxide”.

The basic idea is that there are bad things inside you that make you sick. And by sick, they include autistic. If you ingest something that kills the bad things, or take enemas that kill the bad things, you will no longer be sick. There’s a lot of handwaving about how this only works on the bad things and not the good things like, say, the tissues in your body.

It’s nonsense. Dangerous nonsense.

MMS stands for Miracle Mineral Solution. It’s not a miracle. It’s not a mineral. It is a solution made by combining two other solutions to get chlorine dioxide in solution. The two starter solutions are sodium chlorite (a powerful bleach) and citric acid.

Well if citric acid is “good”, how can we make it “better” some have asked?

A New Simpler MMS: CDH – Chlorine Dioxide Holding (01-04-2014)

Here’s what they say:

While CDS has no raw materials left in the final product, CDH does, making it similar to classic MMS. The main difference between classic MMS and CDH, however, is that the sodium chlorite is allowed to react with the acid for a much longer period of time which reduces the amount of unactivated sodium chlorite and activator left in the final CDH solution. Then, since CDH is more fully activated outside of the body, it causes little or no stomach upset in most people. Also, CDH made with 4% HCl tastes much better. (Note: For those who still have a problem with the taste, “Sweetleaf” brand liquid stevia has been tested and is compatible with MMS, thus can be used to make it taste even better.)

If you took high school or college chemistry you probably remember the very sharp aroma of HCl. You may remember how it can burn skin and the lining of your nose. It’s nasty stuff. Sure, they’ve got relatively dilute HCl (4%), but, still, WHAT ARE THEY THINKING? (and after that–people are looking at 10% HCl! There is something seriously wrong here)

MMS/CD/CDH, whatever you want to call this, it’s a scam. People post to Facebook pictures of the intestinal linings of their disabled kids, passed with the help of MMS enemas. They caption these pictures with statements about how MMS killed “worms”. Rather than go to a doctor and see if there are real parasites, they are self-diagnosing and self-treating and causing harm.

One of the main avenues for promoting this to the autism community is the AutismOne parent convention, where MMS pracitioner Terri Riviera sells her services under the guise of “scientific” presentations.

And all the people presenting at AutismOne stand by and don’t say a word. The supposed leaders in that community don’t seem to have the ability to spot scam artists (which is pretty obvious given the years they have spent promoting Andrew Wakefield, to give just one example). They also lack courage. They rarely if ever stand up to anyone who is promoting obvious and dangerous nonsense.

The all show up, promote themselves, their goods and services, and go home. It’s time for them to show some courage. They can put a stop to this. Instead they lend their names and credibility to this obvious scam.


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19 Responses to “Since bleach wasn’t enough, let’s start adding hydrochloric acid to MMS?”

  1. Miss Irritated August 27, 2014 at 12:26 #

    Sounds like these nuts out here running a pyramid scheme to get me to buy in and put my son on something called Protandin. LIFE VANTAGE is there corporate name and it’s dangerous also!

  2. Lec August 27, 2014 at 12:53 #

    It scares me how much leaders don’t do to prevent things like this. I always wonder how much is known by the person that is lending their credibility to things like this, but I honestly don’t know what would be worse – not looking into something that you are in essence recommending or knowing and still doing it anyway.

  3. chavisory August 27, 2014 at 13:51 #

    I’m a little at a loss as to how this isn’t criminal?

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) August 27, 2014 at 17:56 #

      I don’t know. We have a lot of protections in the U.S. for alternative medicine and people who can get under that umbrella can get away with a lot. Consider Boyd Haley and his OSR#1. What happened? They pulled it from the shelves. He markets an untested drug as a “supplement” and gets a slap on the wrist.

      The MMS charlatans have found a way to stay under the regulatory radar.

  4. Heather August 27, 2014 at 15:34 #

    http://www.bancdmms.com/ this is child abuse, we are trying to stop it, please join us

    • rixtertrader February 11, 2015 at 02:37 #

      Nearly 200 Autistic children cured and you want to stop it? I don’t understand the logic.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 11, 2015 at 03:46 #

        “Nearly 200 Autistic children cured and you want to stop it? I don’t understand the logic.”

        So, someone selling bleach, books on bleach and her services as a consultant in your experiments with bleach says she’s cured kids and you just believe it?

        You have a low standard for evidence. No wonder you believe in MMS.

        163 Children Healed From Autism? Nope.

      • rix February 11, 2015 at 04:32 #

        I’m sorry, but your insisting that it is bleach is what gives you away as not having all the facts.

        You think just because it smells like bleach that it is bleach? Seriously? I would say that if you are really interested in ‘evidence’ that you would spend a bit more time investigating what ‘bleach’ really is.

        It is a FACT that Sodium Chlorite and its product Chlorine Dioxide is being used successfully for the purpose of healing serious illnesses. Someone has actually patented and gained approval for human use with a product that relies on these chemical compounds (see “WF 10″, “WF10 Granted Full Approval By Thailand Government”).

        One patent is here in the US, but the FDA won’t have none of it (what a surprise!).

        Do I require a low standard of evidence? No. But I don’t have my head in the sand either, thinking the FDA is looking out for my well-being while getting big bucks from the Big Pharma guys to shove useless poison down my throat.

        It doesn’t take a genius to separate those who are honestly reporting on their own experiences and those who seem to have an agenda. I just happen to be someone who has ‘personal experience’ in spending thousands being treated with pharmaceuticals prescribed by dozens of doctors and only getting worse over time.

        What has cured me of 4 decades of illnesses, giving me the power to be healthy (now entering year 10 of health) is when I decided to go it on my own. Scary, yes. But what was my alternative? Same same for another 4 decades? No way! I’d be dead long before then or just not having a very good time living.

        I learned by simply hearing what others claimed, and weighing it all as either probable or pure baloney. There are a lot of sincere people out there trying to tell their story and then there are people like you that shoo-shoo what they have to say as if they are all just out to get you. Think man! When I watch people like Andreas Kalcker talking about MMS, I think to myself (what is his motive?) The man shares his knowledge on many things, MMS is only one of them. He’s never gotten a dime from me.

        It just seems like some people are too smart for their own good and think the worse of others. That’s a shame. Have a tried MMS? Yes, I have. But I’m already healthy last 9-10 years and so don’t see the point in daily use. But I continue to investigate claims, comments, testimonials, consider motives, etc.

        Did you know that Chlorine is one of the 90 basic building blocks of matter? It is combined with other elements to disinfect our water, and used in knee and hip joint replacement products.

        Over 2000 naturally occurring chlorine-containing compounds have been identified in living organisms.

        Human beings CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT CHLORINE! That’s a fact. Chloride plays an essential role in our body.

        “Chloride ions are building blocks of hydrochloric acid, which is essential to our digestive system. Hydrochloric acid, made in the stomach, has two main purposes: to help destroy germs that arrive with food; and to help break down foods, ensuring that essential nutrients are made available to the body.” Chlorine.americanchemistry.com

        “Chlorine is also essential to the immune system, which is charged with fighting off the daily invasion of germs. When infections take place, hypochlorite—a chlorine-containing compound which is a well-known disinfectant—forms in white blood cells. Hypochlorite either attacks germs or helps to activate other disinfecting agents.” Chlorine.americanchemistry.com

        To simply call it “bleach” is foolish and purely ignorant, or downright misleading.

      • Lawrence February 11, 2015 at 10:17 #

        If I can make up a sample of this stuff – put it on clothes & have it have the same effect as if I sprayed bleach directly from the cleaning bottle, it means it’s “bleach.”

      • rix February 11, 2015 at 19:23 #

        No. It means it has the ‘ability’ to bleach.

        For example, vinegar, lemons, even sunlight can bleach, yet we don’t refer to them as bleach.

        When you assign the word “bleach” as part of your argument, you are misleading people to think it is the same as laundry bleach (ie. Chlorox). It simply is not.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 11, 2015 at 19:36 #

        It is amazing how hard you guys work to avoid the fact that this is a bleach. It is used as a bleach in industry. It has a bleaching action. It is a bleach. Your denial does you no service.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 11, 2015 at 19:37 #

        No one is saying it is laundry bleach.

        You are asserting that laundry bleach is the only solution we can call a bleach. It is a false assertion.

      • brian February 11, 2015 at 15:30 #

        “I’m sorry, but your insisting that it is bleach is what gives you away as not having all the facts.”

        The main application of sodium chlorite is the generation of chlorine dioxide for bleaching and stripping of textiles, pulp, and paper.

        According to wikipedia:

        Bleaching

        Chlorine dioxide is sometimes used for bleaching of wood pulp in combination with chlorine, but it is used alone in ECF (elemental chlorine-free) bleaching sequences. It is used at moderately acidic pH (3.5 to 6). The use of chlorine dioxide minimizes the amount of organochlorine compounds produced. Chlorine dioxide (ECF technology) currently is the most important bleaching method world wide. About 95% of all bleached Kraft pulp is made using chlorine dioxide in ECF bleaching sequences.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide

      • rix February 11, 2015 at 19:19 #

        Yes Brian, it can be used for bleaching purposes, and it is. But it is not the same as what many are being led to believe, that of “chlorine bleach”, like Chlorox for example, to whiten your clothes.

        You don’t want to ingest “chlorine bleach”. Chlorine Dioxide, however, is not the same.

        In fact, in many commercial applications such as water purification, Chlorine Dioxide is being touted as the better “alternative” to standard chlorine water treatment, which is considered cancer causing. The choice to go to CL02 is because it does not have detrimental effects on health when used in the correct dilution ratios.

        Last night I did additional searches on the application of Chlorine Dioxide, watch a ton of “commercial” science videos and read a bunch of their press releases, etc., noting a common thread on how it is used to benefit the environment, rid of toxins, bacteria, etc. and left harmless to man.

        You can also bleach things with vinegar, lemons, baking soda, for example. Just because something has the ability to bleach does not make it bad for people.

  5. Clay February 11, 2015 at 06:11 #

    “Human beings CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT CHLORINE! That’s a fact. Chloride plays an essential role in our body.”

    What a hilariously misleading argument. While it’s true, CHLORIDE plays an essential role in the body, you’re trying to make the leap here that because the body needs chloride, then chlorine must be safe.

    Your body gets all the chloride ions it needs from breaking down salt that you eat/drink.

    If you were to try to use chlorine as a supply of chloride for your body, you would die. It was used as a chemical weapon in WWI, for crying out loud.

    • rix February 11, 2015 at 18:37 #

      What is misleading is calling chlorine dioxide “chlorine”. They are NOT the same.

      A simple search on chlorine dioxide will turn up many science based commercials for companies using CL02 and they make it pretty clear they are not the same and that CL02 is beneficial for human contact use.

  6. Narad February 11, 2015 at 15:34 #

    To simply call it “bleach” is foolish and purely ignorant, or downright misleading.

    Like suggesting that MMS contains a “mineral”?

    • rix February 11, 2015 at 18:38 #

      You’ll get no argument from me on calling it “mineral” or “miracle” for that matter. It’s not an appropriate name.

      But bad naming (and it is really bad) does not invalidate the facts about what it really is and what it really does.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 11, 2015 at 19:24 #

        It doesn’t cure autism. What it does is dislodge intestinal linings which are mislabeled “parasites”.

        It is an abusive faux therapy inflicted upon disabled children. Your defense of it does not help you.

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