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		<title>Green Our Vaccines: science, slogan or smoke screen?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 22:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In June, 2008, Jenny McCarthy of Generation Rescue led the &#8220;Green Our Vaccines&#8221; rally in Washington. The stated reason for the rally was to &#8220;Demand Congress take action to Green Our Vaccine Supply while reassessing our current vaccine schedule.&#8221; They weren&#8217;t anti-vaccine, they were anti-toxin. How sincere was this movement? Consider this question and answer [...]]]></description>
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		</div>	<p>In June, 2008, Jenny McCarthy of Generation Rescue led the &#8220;Green Our Vaccines&#8221; rally in Washington.  The stated reason for the rally was to &#8220;Demand Congress take action to Green Our Vaccine Supply while reassessing our current vaccine schedule.&#8221;</p>

	<p>They weren&#8217;t anti-vaccine, they were anti-toxin.</p>

	<p>How sincere was this movement?</p>

	<p>Consider this question and answer from Jenny McCarthy&#8217;s interview for Frontline:</p>

	<p><blockquote><strong>Tell me about &#8220;Green Our Vaccines&#8221; and what you want to happen.</strong></p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think there is a green vaccine. The purpose in our statement of Green Our Vaccines really is: Let&#8217;s take a look at our environment. Let&#8217;s take a look at some of these toxic ingredients and pull them out. Let&#8217;s take a look at a safer schedule. I mean, our motto was &#8220;Too many, too soon&#8221; with the Green Our Vaccines march. And like I said, it&#8217;s not like I&#8217;m looking for a Whole Foods version of a shot. We&#8217;re looking for just a smarter and safer one in that title of Green Our Vaccines.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Repeated for emphasis&#8212;&#8221;I don&#8217;t think there is a green vaccine&#8221;.  Sort of vague there.  Is she saying there can be no green vaccine?  That&#8217;s how I read it at first.  Considering that Jenny McCarthy considers the active parts of vaccines (bacteria and viruses) to be &#8220;toxic&#8221; ingredients, I&#8217;m not sure if she can believe in a green vaccine.</p>

	<p>So, was it really about &#8220;too many too soon&#8221;, the vaccine schedule?  No.  It&#8217;s still mercury.  Consider Generation Rescue&#8217;s <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/GRMissionStatement.jpg">mission statement</a> from <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/GR-2008-990.pdf">their tax form</a> (dated 2009-11-16).  (<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/GRMissionStatement.jpg">click to enlarge</a>)</p>

	<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/GRMissionStatement.jpg"><img src="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/GRMissionStatement-300x59.jpg" alt="" title="GRMissionStatement" width="300" height="59" class="size-medium wp-image-5297" /></a>

	<p>My own rough transcription:</p>

	<p><blockquote>Generation Rescue, inc. has a four point mission. Gather information that exists about mercury toxicity and publicize the truth so parents can make the best decision to help their children heal.  2. Organize doctors to treat the millions of affected children through education and conference sponsorship.  Sponsor research to further the understanding between mercury and neurodevelopmental and other health disorders and to help organize the cure for mercury poisoning.  4.  Support legislation to ban the use of thimerosal in medicine on a worldwide basis.</blockquote></p>

	<p>The mission statement has nothing about &#8220;green vaccines&#8221; or &#8220;too many too soon&#8221; or any of the talking points.  Just mercury.</p>

	<p>Why bring this up?  Is anyone surprised that &#8220;Green Our Vaccines&#8221; and &#8220;Too Many Too Soon&#8221; are just slogans?</p>

	<p>Well, it is worth bringing up from time to time.  Generation Rescue would like you to believe that there has been a big fail by the public health establishment.   They would like you to believe that the government has been avoiding looking at &#8220;the schedule&#8221; and has only looked at &#8220;one vaccine and one ingredient&#8221;.</p>

	<p>Well, one ingredient is exactly what Generation Rescue&#8217;s mission is all about.</p>

	<p>As long as the tax form is available, take a look.  Jenny McCarthy seems to be good for generating new revenue.  GR brought in $1,185,255 in 2008.  Pretty respectable.  That&#8217;s up from $424,698 the year before.</p>

	<p>Generation Rescue&#8217;s expenses went up to.  They spent $229,213 fund raising alone.  This was part of total expenses totaling $745,238.</p>

	<p>Let&#8217;s break that down a bit.  Of the total expenses, $220,654 went to &#8220;MARKETING &#38;AWARENESS <span class="caps">COSTS</span>&#8221;.  Let&#8217;s consider that to be part of GR&#8217;s mission, spreading the word.</p>

	<p>What does that leave?  Expenses of $524,584.  Or, about 44% of the donations.</p>

	<p>Another way to look at it: if you donate a dollar to Generation Rescue, 44 cents goes to overhead.</p>

	<p>Of course, one could compare Generation Rescue to Autism Speaks, who takes in $66,000,000 in order to put out $27,000,000 in grants&#8212;or about 41 cents on the dollar goes to the mission.  Autism Speaks has about $14,000,000 in fund raising expenses and about $18,000,000 in salaries.</p>

	<p>Ah, but I am getting off topic.</p>

	<p>Generation Rescue has a single mission.  The same mission they&#8217;ve always had.  They appear to expanding to &#8220;too many too soon&#8221; but, in reality, it is just about mercury.</p>
 
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						  <li><img alt='' src='http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/67f07ae8401447a28b47bd8e6b90ced9?s=32&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&amp;r=R' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' /><i>David N. Brown:</i>
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							"in reality, it is just about mercury"
Why say even that?  There's no mercury in MMR, but they attack that. What it's eally about is reinforcing phobias about vaccines.
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						  <li><img alt='' src='http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/9989b84d548b1a5f07f1b62e2605cdcc?s=32&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&amp;r=R' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' /><i>Morgan:</i>
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							in reality, it is just about the money.

DAN! doctors &amp; vaccine lawyers:  it is only about scaring people enough to shake loose a few more dollars.
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						  <li><img alt='' src='http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/67f07ae8401447a28b47bd8e6b90ced9?s=32&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&amp;r=R' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' /><i>David N. Brown:</i>
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							I respectfully disagree.  It's long been my observation that financial gain is of surprisingly little value in explaining fraud.  The usual common denominator is people who appear to believe sincerely in what they seek to "prove", and may invest or risk far more than they have to gain.  For these individuals, fanaticism rather than greed is the most probable motive.
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						  <li><img alt='' src='http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/f424c550698db43fdb206f32d5910c63?s=32&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&amp;r=R' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' /><i>Joseph:</i>
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							The GR tax form might not have been updated in years, right?

The anti-vaccine movement is clearly not interested in safer vaccines. GR hasn't spent one dollar researching vaccine manufacturing, and how it might be improved.

The people who work on improving the safety of vaccines are not anti-vaccine. They are simply not political organizations like GR.

What is the anti-vaxer's goal? I think it can be summed up as follows: "Convince the world that my kid is autistic because of vaccines and vaccines only." Other objectives, like producing scientific research that supports their views, are just means to an end.

In other words, they are not scientifically minded. They are not interested in finding out <i>what is</i>. They are interested in transmitting their beliefs to other people.

Sure, there are quacks and lawyers who make a living out of this stuff, but they are marginal players.
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						  <li><img alt='' src='http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/0281adf2ef5dc7a3556ccd2e494ebdb7?s=32&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&amp;r=R' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' /><i>Sullivan:</i>
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							Joseph,

I'd agree with the idea that GR probably isn't updating that part of the tax form.  They probably see it as just a placeholder and secondary to the financial information.

Probably more telling is just the fact that "Green our Vaccines" has basically died as a slogan.
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		<title>Age of Autism Abandon Pretence</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[To many of us who have been following the online &#8216;careers&#8217; of the various people and factions behind Age of &#8216;Autism&#8217; for many years (at least 7 in my case) this will be no surprise but it still needs pointing out once more: The Age of &#8216;Autism&#8217; blog is a repository of and a flag [...]]]></description>
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		</div>	<p>To many of us who have been following the online &#8216;careers&#8217; of the various people and factions behind Age of &#8216;Autism&#8217; for many years (at least 7 in my case) this will be no surprise but it still needs pointing out once more:</p>

	<p>The Age of &#8216;Autism&#8217; blog is a repository of and a flag waver for anti-vaccine quackery.</p>

	<p>Easy to say and growing easier and easier to demonstrate every day. As of the time of publishing of this post, the latest <strong>six</strong> posts from Age of &#8216;Autism&#8217; have absolutely nothing to do with autism. These posts are (in reverse order):</p>

	<p>1) Counting Offit&#8217;s Millions: More on How Merck&#8217;s Rotateq Vaccine Made Paul Offit Wealthy<br />
2) Is One Man to Blame for the WorldWide <span class="caps">H1N1 </span>Panic?<br />
3) $300K to Banyan Communications from Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines?<br />
4) Harvard and <span class="caps">CNN </span>Report on Lower than Expected <span class="caps">H1N1 </span>Vaccine Uptake<br />
5) Oops. Flu Pandemic May Be The Mildest since Modern Medicine Began Tracking.<br />
6) Kickin&#8217; the Tires of the Green Vaccine Initiative</p>

	<p><strong>All</strong> the above have no relationship to autism. <strong>All</strong> the above have a direct relationship to anti-vaccine beliefs.</p>

	<p>One or two stories every now and then that don&#8217;t touch on your blog&#8217;s core subject is routine and only to be expected &#8211; but six in a row? Thats only routine if your core subject is drifting. Or if your <strong>real</strong> core subject is slowly being revealed.<br />
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							Anti-vax lunacy mixed with blood libel, misogyny, sexual assault, and character asassination.  AOA has been on a roll.
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							[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Kev and Autism Hub, Rebecca Fisher. Rebecca Fisher said: RT @kevleitch: Age of Autism Abandon Pretence: http://bit.ly/8gVIAB [...]
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							Kev,

I think Mark Blaxill made the point quite clearly in a comment to their now deleted blog post about the Thanksgiving feast.  He pointed out that they are basically just trying to piss people off now--especially the blogs with opposing viewpoints.

I note that their recent post they finally admit that they blew it on calculating the CHOP payout for Rotateq.  They bury the mistake with a lot of blameshifting.  It's all Dr. Offit's fault that Blaxill and Olmsted came to the wrong conclusion, you see.  

Note that I emailed them with the correct information before I blogged it.  They refused to correct their miscalculation.  The response was...well...strange.
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							Kev,

another point.  Note that even though the Thimerosal part of the Autism Omnibus Proceeding (vaccine court) hasn't been decided yet, there is no discussion on AoA about it.  No great fortresses coming down, no discussions about how the case was made so clear that they are obviously going to win.

What else are they going to do?  Their last battle ground is the IACC, and they can't convince anyone there with their "science".

How long are they supposed to keep rehashing the pseudo epidemiology from the Geier's and their own faux studies? 

It isn't that their point of view is being pushed to the sidelines.  It is that AoA is waking up to the fact that they have been sidelined for some time now, and they aren't happy about it.  As the realization that they aren't leaders of the autism community sinks in, they are moving to being leaders where they can: the so-called "vaccine safety" community.

I can't say I wish them well in their new path.  Their brand of "advocacy" and "science" leaves much to be desired.
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							I see this as good news :)

So long, AoA. Do change your name.
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		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some music to accompany this entry. Over at AoA, Kent Heckenlively must be making the rest of the crew nervoous. Maybe you haven&#8217;t read his brand new idea for making the &#8216;green our vaccines&#8217; initiative a political&#8230;um&#8230;&#8217;force&#8217;. To whit: We&#8217;re not going to get anywhere with our current legal system because everything gets funneled into [...]]]></description>
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	<p>Over at AoA, Kent Heckenlively must be making the rest of the crew nervoous. Maybe you haven&#8217;t <a href="http://bit.ly/7Joyms">read his</a> brand new idea for making the &#8216;green our vaccines&#8217; initiative a political&#8230;um&#8230;&#8217;force&#8217;. To whit:</p>

	<p><blockquote>We&#8217;re not going to get anywhere with our current legal system because everything gets funneled into Vaccine Court.  We&#8217;re not going to get far with the current media because they&#8217;re so heavily funded by pharmaceutical drug ads.  We&#8217;re not going to get far with the medical community because they&#8217;re part of the machinery.</p>

	<p>And don&#8217;t even get me started on the politicians.  On one hand you have pharma handing out millions of dollars to politicians, and on the other you have parents of children with autism who are slowly bankrupted by this disease.  Who do you think is going to have more money to &#8216;support&#8217; the politician of their choice?</blockquote></p>

	<p>So Kent wants to tackle the legal system, the media, the medical community and politicians. And how?</p>

	<p><blockquote>In the months leading up to this announcement I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time thinking about the necessary ingredients for a successful rebellion.  Reading books on our own American Revolution has given me some guidance&#8230;</blockquote></p>

	<p>Cool. Nifty idea Kent. Tackle the legal system, the medical system, the political system and the media by reading a few books on the American Revolution. I think this is definitely a winner.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;ve carefully scanned the article a few times (whilst wiping the tears of laughter away) but yep &#8211; that seems to be about it. And really, if we (god save us) look at this seriously for a moment what is it? Its a tacit admission that Kent doesn;t like the fact that these systems he wants to change don&#8217;t agree with him and his loon friends that vaccines cause autism.  In fact, take a look at the comments and you&#8217;ll see its moved beyond autism to outright anti-vaxx. Is Kent proposing the very first anti-vaxx based political party? Some choice comments:</p>

	<p><blockquote>...thank you for the opportunity your statement gave us to refine the expression of our opposition to any form of vaccination.</blockquote></p>

	<p><blockquote>I will never vaccinate again&#8230;</blockquote></p>

	<p><blockquote>I no longer think any vaccine is safe&#8230;</blockquote></p>

	<p><blockquote>There are no green vaccines. I am convinced.</blockquote></p>

	<p><blockquote>I am in the camp that you can&#8217;t make vaccine safe ever</blockquote></p>

	<p>Finished listening to Pink Floyd yet? Good isn&#8217;t it?<br />
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							[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by autism_hub, Autism Hub and Autism Hub, 151a_bot. 151a_bot said: [autismhub tweets ] New post: A quicker guide to the ‘Green Vaccines’ Initiative http://bit.ly/4P1FoD [...]
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							It would be the first Anti-Vaxx political pressure group. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversy#History

If wouldn't even be the first anti-vaccine armed revolt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_Revolt
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							Kent's language doesn't sound that far off from that of the Tea Party movement.  Check out these guys: they also don't believe in vaccinations:


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/11/tea-party-doctors-american-association-physicians-surgeons
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							I am not a Statistician but if vaccines did cause Autism- wouldn't there be an even higher prevalence amongt the vaccinated population- plus a sudden rise in third world countries as their vaccine programmes became established? Plus if there was indeed a link with thimerosal would there not have been a massive drop in cases after it was removed from vaccines a few years ago?
oh, and autism is worse than brain damage, deafness, blindness or death from measles???????????
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							Heckenlively reports that there is a "green vaccines" initiative going on in Oregon.  In an interesting coincidence, Oregon happens to have banned the products of Apothecure (responsible for the death of Tariq Nadama) after several deaths were caused by their products.  Readers in Oregon should be sure to point out that AoA etc. are sponsored by Lee Silsby, which is in the same industry.
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		<title>Fallout of the vaccine-autism scare: Measles in Wales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim Carrey, Jenny McCarthy, Andrew Wakefield&#8230;what do these people have in common? They have all helped promote fear of vaccines&#8212;especially the Measles/MumpsRubella (MMR) vaccine&#8212;by claiming there is evidence vaccines cause autism. To be fair, Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy relatively new to the scene, unlike Dr. Wakefield, whose flawed research really fueled the fear. Perhaps [...]]]></description>
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		</div>	<p>Jim Carrey, Jenny McCarthy, Andrew Wakefield&#8230;what do these people have in common?  They have all helped promote fear of vaccines&#8212;especially the Measles/MumpsRubella (MMR) vaccine&#8212;by claiming there is evidence vaccines cause autism.</p>

	<p>To be fair, Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy relatively new to the scene, unlike Dr. Wakefield, whose flawed research really fueled the fear.  Perhaps the actors could learn from the doctor&#8217;s lesson: you claim <span class="caps">MMR</span> causes autism, that reduces the number of people getting immunized and people get sick.  Pretty simple logic.</p>

	<p>Measles was considered basically wiped out in the UK until a few years ago when it returned, sickening thousands and killing a few.  Last year, measles returned to the US, and i<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2204">t&#8217;s back this year</a>.  Now we see that the UK isn&#8217;t being spared int he 2008-09 season: Wales has <a href="http://www.newswales.co.uk/?section=Health&#38;F=1&#38;id=16745">approximately 60 cases of measles suspected or confirmed.</a></p>

	<p>Nineteen cases are in Llanelli&#8212;that&#8217;s in the lower left corner of this map:</p>

	<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/llanelimeasles.png"><img src="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/llanelimeasles-300x262.png" alt="Map showing location of recent measles outbreak in Wales" title="llanelimeasles" width="300" height="262" class="size-medium wp-image-2216" /></a>

	<p>That&#8217;s a short ride from Swansea, Cardiff, Bristol&#8230;lots of high density population centers.  Any reasonable person would find that scary.</p>

	<p>We in the autism communities need to stand up against misinformation that leads to people being sickened and, in some cases, killed.  The <span class="caps">MMR</span>-Autism link never had good evidence, and now there is good evidence that <span class="caps">MMR</span> does <em>not</em> cause autism  Even people like the autism-is-vaccine-injury proponent <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1252">Rick Rollens admitted it&#8217;s time to look beyond <span class="caps">MMR</span></a> (<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1301">and here</a>).</p>

	<p>Jim Carrey seems to understand at least on some level that it is wrong to dissuade people from vaccination.   He claimed (incorrectly):</p>

	<p><blockquote>We have never argued that people shouldn&#8217;t be immunized for the most serious threats including measles and polio&#8230;</blockquote></p>

	<p>Maybe there is some Clintonian logic about the words &#8220;We&#8221; and &#8220;argued&#8221;.  But, on Larry King Live, Jenny McCarthy stated:</p>

	<p><blockquote>You need to find a doctor that can find an alternate schedule.  Generationrescue.org has three of them on there. </blockquote></p>

	<p>Generation Rescue, aka &#8220;Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey&#8217;s Autism Organization&#8221; has alternate schedules on their website.  The &#8220;favorite&#8221; of the three alternate vaccine schedules states, very clearly,</p>

	<p><blockquote>One should avoid vaccines that contain live viruses. This includes the combined measles mumps and rubella vaccines&#8230;</blockquote></p>

	<p>You&#8217;ve talked the talk, time to walk the walk, Jim.  Pull that schedule off your website.  Get your organization to make a clear statement about the value of vaccinating against measles.</p>

	<p>I realize that I have concentrated a lot on Jim Carrey in this piece.  But, there is a man who can make a difference in the future.  That future will see people in the US and the UK sickened by measles.  The question is how many.  What Jim Carrey says could make that number larger or smaller, it all depends on whether he makes good on his sentiment that measles is a serious disease worth immunizing against.</p>
 
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		</div>	<p>In something of a jaw-on-chest admission, David has finally admitted that thimerosal does not cause autism:</p>

	<p><blockquote>David Kirby, a journalist and author of &#8220;Evidence of Harm: Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: A Medical Controversy,&#8221; said he believed that thimerosal, which still exists in trace amounts in some childhood vaccines, was no longer the &#8220;smoking gun.&#8221; Several national studies have found no connection, and a California study found that, even after thimerosal was removed from vaccines, diagnoses of autism continued to rise. </blockquote></p>

	<p>I would go on to say then that the claim that mercury in vaccines ever caused a never-established autism &#8216;epidemic&#8217; needs to be retracted also. I would further like to see David (who has appeared on TV, Radio and in the press speaking as if thimerosal was definitely the cause) question his previous belief that this was ever a medical controversy.</p>

	<p>We need to be clear on this issue. In the US, the idea that mercury in vaccines cause autism is <em>the</em> reason so many parents are not vaccinating their children. David was the chief media spokesperson in this belief and whilst it is gratifying to hear him publicly admit thimerosal does not cause autism &#8211; it needs to be proclaimed widely and David needs be much more public than this.</p>

	<p>However, its not all good.</p>

	<p><blockquote>But, he said, the links between vaccines and conditions like autism are still strong and more research is needed.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Conditions like autism or autism?</p>

	<p>David seems to have moved from targetting thimerosal to simply targeting vaccines in general. Contrary to his statement that there are strong links between autism and vaccines, the fact is that there are none. No decent science supports this hypotheses and (with apologies to David) he has a now self-admittedly bad track record when talking about &#8216;strong links&#8217; between vaccines and autism. David&#8217;s &#8216;<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=492">strong link</a>&#8217; between thiomersal and autism was <span class="caps">CDDS</span> data and we all know how that one turned out. I&#8217;d ask David to please consider very carefully his ideas about &#8216;strong links&#8217; of today turning around to bite him in the future. Does international public health really need another three/four year gambol through the wilderness based on a non scientific &#8216;strong link&#8217; which in reality is simply an opinion?</p>

	<p>We all know the recent makeover the vaccine hypotheses has been getting. Generation Rescue now no longer claim that autism is simply mercury poisoning for which the cure is two years chelation resulting in a child 100% neurotypical, no different from their peers. SafeMinds &#8211; an organisation dedicated to Mercury in their very name &#8211; attack <span class="caps">MMR</span>, a vaccine that has never contained mercury. Jenny McCarthy is now on board and gives credence to the idea that an average parent (such as myself) knows more about the sciences of medicine, epidemiology, toxicology etc etc than specialists who have spent years in their field. Whilst at the same time Ms McCarthy simply cannot keep her story straight about <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1598">incidents from her book</a> or even <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=923">when her son was recovered or not</a>.</p>

	<p>The inconsistencies mount and mount and whilst I am glad that David has admitted the non-role of thimerosal in autism causation this is simply the tip of the iceberg. Are Generation Rescue, SafeMinds, <span class="caps">NAA</span>, TreatingAutism, A-CHAMP queuing up to admit the same? Are these same organisation prepared to go back onto the same TV/Radio stations they first proudly proclaimed they knew the cause and had the cure and admit they were wrong? Or will it all continue to be held behind the Emerald City of the new &#8216;<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=856">Green Our vaccines</a> where we are urged to never, ever look behind the curtain in case we see the simple, obvious truth about the grand machinations?</p>
 
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							I think that saying that he exonerated thimerosal might be optimistic, since I just listened to the online presentation the story is drawn from and he still states a belief in implication of thimerosal, but also expanding to other factors both internal and external to vaccines...still including mercury, but expanded to vaccination schedule, air, food, water and medicine. I think what was clearly said is that thimerosal is not the "only" cause of autism.

You can listen to what he had to say first hand. 
http://register.webcastgroup.com/event/?wid=0701023084365&amp;WebcastID=4365&amp;n=&amp;e2=&amp;c=&amp;nf=&amp;nl=&amp;r=&amp;i=

His presentation starts in about 10 minutes in.

Since many of you are more acquainted with the details around these questions, I would be interested in your critique.
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							What Kirby needs to ask himself is, if thimerosal is now declared innocent, why did so many people ever think it was guilty? Where did he (and others) go so wrong? And how does he know that in 10 years he won't be forced into declaring all vaccines innocent?

Even the Republican party is doing a bit of soul searching at the moment. Kirby et. al. should follow suit.
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							So, David's moving on to greener pastures now?  I wonder if he knows something about the Omnibus. That's probably crash time.
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							Hi Kev - 

Kirby is not an asset towards forwarding understanding, not doubt.  Unfortunately, there is a chance he has been accurate in some regard; we actually do have evidence that children with autism will react differently to vaccination (or any sickness) than their undiagosed peers.  Whether this is sufficient to 'cause' autism (or some autism) is still unknown, but none the less, it would seem we have clinical evidence that at an immunological level, there are differences in how <i>some</i> children with autism will react to <i>any</i> vaccine, thimerosal containing or not.  

Check out this study from Yale that was recently published in Pediatrics:

Macrophage Migration Inhibitory Factor and Autism Spectrum 

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/122/2/e438?rss=1

This is a pretty neat study.  Researchers found that children with autism were more likely to harbor polymorphisms that resulted in an increase in MIF, one function of which is the expression of toll like receptors.  These toll like receptors are absolutely critical towards how <i>any</i> vaccine works; it is the aluminum based adjuvants in a vaccine that stimulate these toll like receptors to generate the memory; and it just so happens that kids with autism are more likely to have these structures overexpressed.  When researchers measured circulating levels of this substance, they found that it correlated positively with increased autism symptoms in three out of four areas, with the fourth area trending in the same direction, but not reaching statistical significance.  At an immunological level, children with these polymorphisms are more likely to generate a different response to a stimulated trigger than children without this polymorphism; and having this polymorphism increases your risk of having autism. 

All of our existing studies on thimerosal in autism and vaccines would be completely blind to this association; none of them attempted to study a cohort that did not receive substances triggering their toll like receptors.  Thus, the danger of assuming that testing a particular component of a vaccine is equivalent to testing the vaccine. 

Strangely enough, increases in MIF have also been found in auto immune disorders with unexplainable increases the past few decades, like type 1 diabetes, asthma, and juvenile arthritis.  How strange is that?  

Of course, in the above study, researchers didn't actually stimulate any toll like receptors; they just identified an increase in a substance known to overexpress their function and a correlation to autism severity.  They also posited a potential role for immune mediated neural inflammation as a cause of autism.  

We have other evidence, however, that the toll like receptors of react differentially in terms of generated a cytokine response for subsets of children with autism. 

http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/22/1_MeetingAbstracts/708.17

This looks to be a meeting presentation abstract, it isn't clear when (if?) these results will be published.  

Anyways, this isn't proof of causation; but we now seem to have a biological mechanism of action to explain what <i>some</i> parents claim to have observed; a very different reaction to vaccines than usual.  

I thought the group here might find this interesting.  

OK!

- pD
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							I think David is likely to move on simply because his career is not all about autism, and he has no personal vested interest autism (that is, no child or close relative on the spectrum).  The same is true, BTW, of Dan Olmsted.  Both became intrigued by autism as a topic of research, journalism and advocacy... but I'm guessing neither wants to spend their lives on it.

As to why the thimerosal connection seemed to make sense?  I can only imagine that it was one of those "common sense smashes up against science" situations.  

Autism does have something in common with mercury poisoning.  Mercury is in thimerosal.  Thimerosal was injected at almost the same time as many kids presented symptoms of autism.  Kirby really did find apparent transparency issues at the NIH.  So, logically, thimerosal in vaccines causes autism. And, if you follow Kirby's research, it's reasonable to think "medical authorities knew this, and withheld the information."

It's logical.  It makes common sense.  It just doesn't happen to be provable using the scientific method.  Meanwhile, however, we continue to hear what I assume are true stories of children who react to vaccines with physical illness, followed immediately by developmental regression...

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		<description><![CDATA[Its all going wrong for the believers of the vaccine/autism religion. This was supposed to be the time of their Fall offensive, spearheaded of course by Mother Warrior Jenny McCarthy and her appearance on the Oprah Winfrey show. So far though, the media seem markedly less keen to talk to her about her recovering/no, recovered/ah&#8230;.recovering/no, [...]]]></description>
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		</div>	<p>Its all going wrong for the believers of the vaccine/autism religion. This was supposed to be the time of their Fall offensive, spearheaded of course by Mother Warrior Jenny McCarthy and her appearance on the Oprah Winfrey show.</p>

	<p>So far though, the media seem markedly less keen to talk to her about her recovering/no, recovered/ah&#8230;.recovering/no, recovered/oh whatever autistic child. And the science is beginning to get equal air time. Recently, Dr. Ari Brown, Dr Lou Cooper and our very own <a href="http://autism-news-beat.com">Ken</a> participated alongside a couple of minor league celebs on a discussion regarding autism and vaccines on the US show <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/abcnewsnow/gmanow">Good Morning America</a>.</p>

	<p>Yesterday the Age of Autism exhorted its members to mob <a href="http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/09/30/jenny-mccarthy-strikes-back-at-amanda-peet-over-child-vaccinations/">a website</a> that had created a Jenny vs Amanda poll (because popularity contests will definitely help autistic people). When the<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/09/poll_you_must_choose_between_j.php"> Pharyngula blog</a> got wind of this PZ, the blog owner, asked his readers to vote too. The outcome?</p>

	<p><img src="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/trounced.jpg" alt="" title="trounced" width="500" height="107" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1463" /></p>

	<p>Yikes.</p>

	<p>The world view of the autism/vaccine zealots was shaken mightily yesterday. They&#8217;ve always imagined themselves as a large group with considerable power. Yesterday, they got squashed like a flea on a windscreen over something as meaningless as a celeb poll. Imagine how they must&#8217;ve felt to read some of the comments there. In fact, I&#8217;ve been tracking a lot of the gossip websites who&#8217;ve mentioned Jenny of late. She&#8217;s not popular outside her own crowd. Parents of autistic kids are catching on. Here&#8217;s a quote from someone I do not know and have never heard of before today commenting on Hollywood Today:</p>

	<p><blockquote>I am a single father of an autistic child and agree that Jenny Mcarthy is doing more harm than good. Why do we put more credibility in an actress / playboy bunny than doctors and other more credible sources.</blockquote></p>

	<p>And a mother of two autistic kids says on Ecorazzi:</p>

	<p><blockquote>As a mother with <span class="caps">TWO</span> autistic children, I find McCarthy&#8217;s ignorance appalling. Don&#8217;t we have enough difficulty in dealing with and understanding the Autism Spectrum without letting fad pseudo-science sway our families away from proper health care for our children?</blockquote></p>

	<p>These are <em>not</em> isolated examples I am very happy to report.</p>

	<p>Yesterday the mercury militia &#8211; who think we&#8217;re just a few people compared to their &#8216;tens of thousands&#8217; got a great big wet fish slap of reality.</p>

	<p>Mother Warrior McCarthy is now complaining the <span class="caps">US </span>Presidential candidates are snubbing her. For goodness sake, why on earth did you ever think they would listen to you? You&#8217;re a D-list celeb who can&#8217;t even get her story straight on whether her son is recovered or not.</p>

	<p>Anyway, she <a href="http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/mccarthy%20upset%20about%20mccain%20snub_1082294">says</a>:</p>

	<p><blockquote>I literally flew to go see MCCain, his team agreed to it (meeting), I was prepped and then all of a sudden his campaign manager said, &#8216;We&#8217;re ahead in the polls and this is a very, very touchy subject. Let&#8217;s not give this interview right now.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Wow, McCain employs the worst PR people in the world. They tell someone that they&#8217;re not going to interview them as they&#8217;re too controversial. How convenient for Jenny!</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m thinking the conversation went something more like this:</p>

	<p>JM: Hi, I&#8217;m Jenny McCarthy, can I speak to John McCain?</p>

	<p><span class="caps">PR </span>Dude: Sorry? You&#8217;re who?</p>

	<p>JM: Jenny McCarthy, I&#8217;ve appeared in films such as &#8216;Scary Movie 3&#8217; and&#8230;uh&#8230;</p>

	<p><span class="caps">PR </span>Dude: Whatever&#8230;why do you want to speak to the boss?</p>

	<p>JM: About vaccines and autism! They&#8217;re poisoning our kids! Except mine is now recovered! No, wait &#8211; I have a book coming out, make that &#8216;recoverING&#8217;.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">PR </span>Dude: The country &#8211; no, the world &#8211; is in a national financial crisis and you want to talk to the boss about some quacky ideas never supported by science. Go away lady.</p>

	<p>JM: But&#8230;but&#8230;I&#8217;m <span class="caps">JENNY MCCARTHY</span>&#8230;BULLSHIT<img src="....BULLSHIT" alt="" border="0" />!! (Where&#8217;s the camera?)</p>

	<p>Now Jenny is desperate to get ahold of Obama:</p>

	<p><blockquote>MCCarthy is now desperately hoping Barack Obama, MCCain&#8217;s opponent in the race for the White House, agrees to champion her cause and address the autism versus vaccines issue.<br />
She says, &#8220;We are trying (to contact him)... We have sent numerous (requests).</blockquote></p>

	<p>This is the same Barrack Obama who has said:</p>

	<p><blockquote>I am not for selective vaccination, I believe that it will bring back deadly diseases, like polio.</blockquote></p>

	<p>He might see you Jenny. Me might even pretend to listen. You might even get your picture taken with him. Better yet, he might pass on the opportunity to see you and then you can tell people how its a big conspiracy. You might even manage to squeeze another book out of it.</p>

	<p>None of that will change reality though. The tide isn&#8217;t changing just yet but there&#8217;s been a few signs that it might be on its way.</p>
 
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							They took a nice beating, didn't they?
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							Here's another commenter <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/10/bookclub_on_autism.php#comment-1135858" rel="nofollow">from Pharyngula:</a>
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As a Green Party member (and indeed a local election candidate), I get annoyed at slogans like "Green Our Vaccines".



Green philosophy is fundamentally about organising society in such a way that it respects all the planet's inhabitants, present and future. A hypothetical "green" vaccine is one which doesn't involve harm to animals, whose manufacture and distribution produces the minimum of waste or pollutants, where all who need that vaccine have access to it and the intellectual property and so on. Just because a product is safe at the point of use does not necessarily mean it is "green".



The desire to protect one's children from harm by whatever cause is perfectly reasonable (even if this is almost entirely misplaced in the case of vaccines), but has nothing to do with environmental concerns. My suspicion is that McCarthy et al. are simply using the general public's concerns about the environment (which tend to be more prominent in parents of young children), particularly with alarm-bells like "pollutants" and "toxins" as a vehicle to get their emotive, fact-free message past people's critical thinking skills.



And if vaccinating (with antigens either identical or very similar to the natural versions) isn't natural, then what the hell is natural about chelation with synthetic agents like EDTA or DMSA?



/rant</blockquote>

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							Here's another commenter <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/10/bookclub_on_autism.php#comment-1135858" rel="nofollow">from Pharyngula:</a>
<blockquote cite="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/10/bookclub_on_autism.php#comment-1135858">


As a Green Party member (and indeed a local election candidate), I get annoyed at slogans like "Green Our Vaccines".



Green philosophy is fundamentally about organising society in such a way that it respects all the planet's inhabitants, present and future. A hypothetical "green" vaccine is one which doesn't involve harm to animals, whose manufacture and distribution produces the minimum of waste or pollutants, where all who need that vaccine have access to it and the intellectual property and so on. Just because a product is safe at the point of use does not necessarily mean it is "green".



The desire to protect one's children from harm by whatever cause is perfectly reasonable (even if this is almost entirely misplaced in the case of vaccines), but has nothing to do with environmental concerns. My suspicion is that McCarthy et al. are simply using the general public's concerns about the environment (which tend to be more prominent in parents of young children), particularly with alarm-bells like "pollutants" and "toxins" as a vehicle to get their emotive, fact-free message past people's critical thinking skills.



And if vaccinating (with antigens either identical or very similar to the natural versions) isn't natural, then what the hell is natural about chelation with synthetic agents like EDTA or DMSA?



/rant

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							religion----maybe more like a cult.
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							<i>religion——maybe more like a cult.</i>

I checked the characteristics of a cult, and you might have something there.

When my children cadge for attention, and I am unable to give it, I usually expect a little burst of behavior...if the public at large stopped paying attention to these folks, I wonder what kind of temper tantrum could be expected?

The comments by the Green Party member were pure gold.
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		<title>Arthur Allen &#8211; vaccine skeptics vs your kids</title>
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		</div>	<p>Whilst, I&#8217;m not sure that the people <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2008/09/practical-values-immune-to-reason.html">Arthur is writing about</a> are skeptics as I understand the term (having a scientifically valid basis for not accepting an argument or position), I know what he means. And he&#8217;s right that it is this group of people vs the health of people everywhere.</p>

	<p>The sub-header is even more accurate &#8216;immune to reason&#8217;. One only has to take a look over at the recent rantings on a certain blog we all know about where the latest themes are:</p>

	<p>1) Presidential candidate <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama">Barack Obama</a> is now a big pharma shill because he told one of them: <em>&#8220;I am not for selective vaccination, I believe that it will bring back deadly diseases, like polio.&#8221;</em>.</p>

	<p>2) The <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1252">latest study</a> in a <a href="http://www.mmrthefacts.nhs.uk/library/research.php">long line</a> of studies that show once more there is no link between <span class="caps">MMR</span> and autism is both flawed <em>and</em> <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1291">exonerates</a> one of their heroes.</p>

	<p>3) <a href="http://www.neurodiversity.com">Kathleen Seidel</a> is wrong because&#8230;.uh&#8230;.well, no one knows why <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1326">but she must be</a>. Apparently.</p>

	<p>Immune to reason indeed.</p>

	<p>As Arthur points out, there is a great deal at stake:</p>

	<p><blockquote>...in the last trimester of her pregnancy, Helena Moran caught a cough that she couldn&#8217;t get rid of. She figured she&#8217;d picked up the germ&#8212;whatever it was&#8212;from one of her patients at a <a href="http://www.cohomefinder.com/Boulder-real-estate-and-homes.htm">Boulder</a> dentist&#8217;s office. But the real nightmare began after her daughter, Evelina, was born: The baby began to cough and cough, and then she&#8217;d curl up in a little ball and turn blue. At the emergency room, she was diagnosed with whooping cough. She spent the next five weeks in intensive care and suffered permanent lung damage.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Now, this isn&#8217;t <strong>all</strong> the fault of the so-called autism community, but <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1179">as I&#8217;ve discussed before</a>, I&#8217;m ashamed to say that a lot of it is.</p>

	<p><blockquote>....the movement got a huge boost from the controversy over the mercury-laden preservative thimerosal, which some theorized might be linked to autism. That link has been disproven&#8212;by, if nothing else, the fact that autism rates remained steady after pediatricians and public health authorities told manufacturers to stop making thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines in 1999. But the anti-vaccine movement has kept going, finding ever new reasons to distrust immunization.</blockquote></p>

	<p>The are a lot of zealots out there who have fed upon the autism community. A parent who might not believe vaccines case autism listens to horror stories and reads links sent to them from such places of quackery as <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=998">whale.to</a> who are nothing to do with the autism community but who market their own brand of ridiculousness (the owner of whale.to believes dolphins can manipulate gravity and has the pictures to prove it!) regarding vaccines and the autism parent greedily sucks it down.</p>

	<p>Arthur discuss the practice of abusing &#8216;religious exemption&#8217; by these people:</p>

	<p><blockquote>Right now, in many states, all it takes to get an exemption from vaccine requirements is signing a form. Some, including a group of doctors at Johns Hopkins University, have proposed making it harder&#8212;allowing a philosophical exemption only after parents demonstrate a good-faith effort to educate themselves.</blockquote></p>

	<p>But <a href="http://www.edmondsun.com/opinion/local_story_253234423.html?keyword=secondarystory">an article</a> I read in yesterdays &#8216;Edmond Sun&#8217; stated:</p>

	<p><blockquote>....a person &#8220;who has reached the age of majority and is mentally competent to do so may justifiably refuse immunizations for himself or herself, but may not impose this refusal on a child, who has no choice in the matter.&#8221; Courts have consistently upheld this principle. </blockquote></p>

	<p>That makes sense to me. Who would want to refuse such a simple thing that has no link of any kind to autism?</p>

	<p>Arthur closes with the following:</p>

	<p><blockquote>But while questioning authority is healthy, facts are facts. If vaccines really were responsible for autism, it would be too much to ask parents to do the altruistic thing. But more than a dozen studies have failed to discover such a link&#8212;and not a single legitimate study has shown that one exists.</blockquote></p>

	<p>He&#8217;s spot on. All the celebs and all the money in the world cannot change that simple fact. We need to get past this. Those who believe autism is caused by vaccines need to put up or shut up. They are holding up progress on autism research and causing the health of our societies to suffer.</p>

	<p>I urge readers to visit Arthur&#8217;s piece and read the comments. The first few demonstrate exactly the sort of mindset Arthur is talking about &#8211; the one&#8217;s who bring shame on the autism community. They truly are immune to reason.</p>
 
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							Thanks for the link to the article.  I was thrilled to see that even MotherJones is coming down on the right side now :-)  (And I'm a huge fan of MotherJones...I just haven't always found them to be firmly on the side of science in the past.)
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							Save the eldlerly, vaccinate a wider age group versus the flu!
add the http and www parts ...
msnbc.msn.com/id/26611205/
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							I would like to have commented on Mr. Allen's article but the stupid was just so overwhelming, I didn't know where to begin.  I prefer spending my time and energy with those that need help wading through these issues (thanks to aforementioned morons).
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		<description><![CDATA[To promote his new book &#8216;Autism&#8217;s False Prophets. Bad science, risky medicine and the search for a cure&#8217; (Amazon UK, Amazon US, Amazon Canada) &#8211; and look for a review here very, very soon &#8211; Dr Paul Offit went on the US radio show Talk of the nation &#8216;Science Friday&#8217; earlier today. It turned into [...]]]></description>
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		</div>	<p>To promote his new book &#8216;Autism&#8217;s False Prophets. Bad science, risky medicine and the search for a cure&#8217; (<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Autisms-False-Prophets-Science-Medicine/dp/0231146361/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1220037875&#38;sr=1-1">Amazon UK</a>, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Autisms-False-Prophets-Science-Medicine/dp/0231146361/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1220037894&#38;sr=1-1">Amazon US</a>, <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/Autisms-False-Prophets-Science-Medicine/dp/0231146361/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1220037918&#38;sr=1-1">Amazon Canada</a>) &#8211; and look for a review here very, very soon &#8211; Dr Paul Offit went on the US radio show <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94110457">Talk of the nation &#8216;Science Friday&#8217;</a> earlier today.</p>

	<p>It turned into a microcosm of exactly the sort of scenario that those of us who have blogged about this for some time have come to expect. A question, a reasoned response and then a flat statement of denial.</p>

	<p><img src="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/oie_yoda1.jpg" alt="" title="oie_yoda1" width="200" height="113" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1237" /></p>

	<p>The show began with the show host (who&#8217;s name I didn&#8217;t catch) asking why people weren&#8217;t vaccinating. Offit gave the answers we all know.</p>

	<p>Then the show took a turn into what could&#8217;ve been a blog argument on any one of a number of blogs &#8211; including this one. A caller called Chantelle/Chantal came on the line and essentially asked Dr Offit how it could possibly be safe for a newborn to receive up to 1250micrograms of Aluminium and that there hadn&#8217;t been any studies on how Aluminium could affect a child. She said &#8211;<br />
<blockquote>that is why <strong>I will not</strong> follow the <span class="caps">CDC</span>&#8217;s guidelines&#8230;.my child will be vaccinated on my own schedule.</blockquote></p>

	<p>(Her emphasis)</p>

	<p>Dr Offit answered with a brief overview of Aluminium&#8217;s role in a vaccine is and then told Chantal the simple truth &#8211; one that <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=873">I blogged about</a> fairly recently &#8211; there&#8217;s more Aluminium in between 50 days to a years worth of breast milk than in the entire vaccine schedule:</p>

	<p><blockquote>We live on the planet Earth. If we choose to live on the planet Earth that means we&#8217;re going to be exposed to light metals like Aluminium and heavy metals like mercury.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Chantal then seemed (I wasn&#8217;t entirely clear) to want to compare kids with kidney issues (who clearly need to be careful with Aluminium) with <em>all</em> kids. As Dr Offit stated &#8211; that&#8217;s hardly a valid or real-world comparison.</p>

	<p>Then the host asked a great question:</p>

	<p><blockquote>Chantal, is there  anything Dr Offit could tell you that would change your mind</blockquote>.</p>

	<p>The answer: <em>&#8220;Absolutely not&#8221;</em>.</p>

	<p>And there we have it. That is the rock bottom of every single argument the autism/antivax brigade peddle. Screw the science, screw the facts. I just don&#8217;t want to hear it and I will put my fingers in my ears and make &#8216;la-la&#8217; noises until you go away.</p>

	<p>Chantal then goes on to justify this ridiculous stance by saying (a la Jenny McCarthy) that there is no independent science supporting vaccine safety. This is tosh. A study this is submitted for peer review to a science journal is peer reviewed by independent experts from the relevant field all over the world. And then, the ultimate test of impartiality takes place &#8211; the science is either replicated or it isn&#8217;t. Replicated science <em>has to be</em> by definition be independent of its author. How could it not be? If we want to see the opposite of reproducible science, then <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Search&#38;term=Wakefield%20AJ[Author]&#38;qd_page_no=0&#38;sourceid=Mozilla-search">that can be arranged</a>.</p>

	<p>Chantal goes on to say that Dr Offit &#8216;makes millions&#8217; from speaking about the safety of vaccines. A bizarre claim that I&#8217;m pretty sure is not true. He then goes on to describe the &#8216;high bar&#8217; that vaccine studies must pass. Studies with tens of thousands of participants.</p>

	<p>Next, Chantal tries the &#8216;too many too soon&#8217; dogma that we&#8217;ve become <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=780">recently familiar with</a>. She claims &#8216;six at one time is absurd&#8217;. Dr Offit gives Chantal some facts to play with on that score too:</p>

	<p><blockquote>...the bacteria that live on their nose [a newborn], or the surface of their throat are literally in the trillions. Those bacteria have between 2,000 and 6,000 immunological components and consequently our body makes <em>grams</em> of antibody to combat these bacteria&#8230;.The number of immunological challenges contained in vaccines is not figuratively, it is <em>literally</em> a drop in the ocean of what you encounter every day.</blockquote></p>

	<p>(Emphasis his, slight paraphrasing)</p>

	<p>Chantal then got a bit snappy.</p>

	<p><blockquote>So tell me&#8230;how many studies have been done on vaccine loading, which means five or six vaccines at one time. How many?</blockquote></p>

	<p>Dr Offit&#8217;s answer:</p>

	<p><blockquote>Somewhere in the vicinity of the high hundreds to low thousands.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Chantal:</p>

	<p><blockquote>I don&#8217;t believe that.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Boom! There it is again &#8211; she simply doesn&#8217;t believe it. Screw the facts, screw the evidence, my fingers are going right back in my ears&#8230;la-la-la-la&#8230;I can&#8217;t hear you&#8230;</p>

	<p>Dr Offit explains further that any vaccine in the US has to undergo something called a &#8216;concomitant use study&#8217;. These are to establish that vaccines work OK together.</p>

	<p><blockquote>You have to show that vaccine does not interfere with the immune response or the safety of existing vaccines and similarly that existing vaccines don&#8217;t interfere with the immune response or the safety of the new vaccine</blockquote></p>

	<p>Dr Offit said &#8216;high hundreds to low thousands&#8217; of studies (Chantal didn&#8217;t believe that remember). A simple Google search <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22concomitant+use+study%22">reveals over 1,800 results</a> for that phrase. Searching PubMed for &#8216;concomitant vaccine&#8217; returns over 700.</p>

	<p>Dr Offit closes the interview by saying he doesn&#8217;t believe all parents are as close minded as Chantal. He uses a nicer phrase than that as he&#8217;s a gentleman but that&#8217;s how I see it. Close minded to the point of obstinate stupidity.</p>

	<p>For some people, it truly doesn&#8217;t matter what the facts are, or what the science is. They just stick their fingers in their ears.</p>

	<p>La-la-la.</p>



 
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							You nailed it! Great response to Chantelle.
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							She was an excellent example of the sorts of responses and logic used by vaccine rejectionists.  Ira Flatow kept her on for a long time.  My guess is that his screener did a good job finding the right person and once she showed herself to be a good fit, Mr. Flatow kept her going.

Not to say that this is wrong.  It's not like they picked someone who is blaming demonic Ley Lines for bum-burns to discredit the rejectionists.  Chantelle (sp?) was well spoken and didn't lean on the obviously poor arguments.  One does wonder, though, if a year or two ago she would have been talking Mercury instead of Aluminum.

Dr. Offit, for his part, did the interview and answered the questions very professionally, I think.
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							Dr.Offit started to say that he wasn't paid to advocate for vaccines (the caller's accusation) and she tried to talk over the top of him, and he said, something like, "you spoke, now it's my turn to speak." 

She started out seeming reasonable enough and then started to get more and more unreasonable, same thing you see with many of the true-blue antivax and self-made vaccine experts commenters
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							I pulled over to listen to this today. I, too, thought they kept her on for a long time, and thought they had good reason for doing so. She was articulate and passionate, but made less and less sense as more specific questions were posed to her. She got all mixed up, and it was sad and obvious how misinformed she was.

I feel sorry for her children and hope they don't die of easily preventable diseases or spread them to others.
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							A telling moment:

<blockquote>I do not put any faith into anything my government tells me</blockquote>

She then calls for indendent studies.  In particular she asks for the government to do an independent study is performed.

At which point Ira Flatow points out that she doesn't have any faith in what the government says...

She then moves into the "too many" concept with "six at once is absurd".  No reason, no data for this being "absurd".  Basically, it came across as "I'm floundering here, let's change the subject"
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		<title>Sharyl Attkisson &#8211; are you sure?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Searchingly diligent and totally impartial CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson has managed to uncover a third case of autism/vaccine related activity via the the Vaccine Courts. Never mind that Kathleen found it 5 months ago eh? This case originates from a person born in 1974 who had a DTP shot that very same year, exactly 4 [...]]]></description>
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		</div>	<p>Searchingly diligent and totally impartial <span class="caps">CBS</span> reporter <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/08/18/primarysource/entry4358968.shtml" rel="nofollow">Sharyl Attkisson</a> has managed to uncover a third case of autism/vaccine related activity via the the Vaccine Courts. Never mind that <a href="http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/148/">Kathleen found it 5 months ago</a> eh?</p>

	<p>This case originates from a person born in 1974 who had a <span class="caps">DTP</span> shot that very same year, exactly 4 months later&#8230;..and thats about all we know.</p>

	<p>Comparing autism in 1974 with autism in 2008 is not comparing apples to oranges. Its more like comparing apples to trains. In 1974, the <span class="caps">DSM</span>, didn&#8217;t even contain the <em>word</em> autism. <a href="http://www.unstrange.com/dsm1.html">This</a> is the existing <span class="caps">DSM</span> in use at the time:</p>

	<p><blockquote><strong><span class="caps">DSM II </span>(1968)</strong><br />
295.8  Schizophrenia, childhood type</p>

	<p>This category is for cases in which schizophrenic symptoms appear before puberty. The condition may be manifested by <strong>autistic</strong>, atypical and withdrawn behavior; failure to develop identity separate from the mother&#8217;s; and general unevenness, gross immaturity and inadequacy of development. These developmental defects may result in mental retardation, which should also be diagnosed. </blockquote></p>

	<p>So, in 1974 autism was not even a defined disorder. It was a behaviour. A symptom of Schizophrenia. That&#8217;s worth remembering as we go forward.</p>

	<p>Atkinson says:</p>

	<p><blockquote>In excerpts from the case below, the government agreed the child suffered &#8220;a residual seizure disorder&#8221; after his second Diphtheria, Tetanus &#38; Pertussis (DPT) vaccine but attempted to argue that the child&#8217;s mental retardation and brain injury were unrelated to the seizure disorder and were, instead, caused by his autism. On the other hand, <strong>the court found that the autistic behavior</strong>, brain injury and mental retardation <strong>were all part of the vaccine injury</strong>.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Did they? Is this accurate? Did the court find that <em>the autistic behaviour</em> was part of the vaccine injury?</p>

	<p>Atkinson quotes at length from the transcript of the case.</p>

	<p><blockquote><span class="caps">CHILD</span> was born on August 23, 1974, the 9 lb. 9 oz. product of an uncomplicated pregnancy and delivery. <span class="caps">CHILD</span> developed normally until the age of four months when he was administered his second <span class="caps">DPT</span> vaccination on December 23, 1974&#8230; That evening, he experienced a grand mal seizure. <span class="caps">CHILD</span>&#8217;s mother&#8230; took <span class="caps">CHILD</span> to the&#8230; emergency room where he was found to have a <strong>fever</strong> of 101.8 degrees at that time and a <strong>bulging fontanelle</strong> ...CHILD had a <strong>seizure</strong> on March 25, 1975, with a temperature of 102 degrees. The next day, he had another <strong>seizure</strong> with a <strong>fever</strong> less than 102 degrees&#8230;On April 15, 1975, <span class="caps">CHILD</span> experienced a <strong>petit mal seizure</strong> without an associated fever&#8230; <span class="caps">CHILD</span> apparently did well until mid-July 1975, when he had four <strong>seizures, with fever</strong> around 100.7 degrees&#8230; <span class="caps">CHILD</span> had <strong>additional seizure activity</strong> in November 1975. Again in February 1976, <span class="caps">CHILD</span> had <strong>seizures</strong>. At that time, a repeat <span class="caps">EEG</span> was grossly abnormal&#8230;when <span class="caps">CHILD</span> was 21 months of age, (CHILD&#8217;s doctor) noted that <span class="caps">CHILD</span> had a vocabulary of only two to three words. At that time, (CHILD&#8217;s doctor) discussed&#8230; the <strong>possibility that <span class="caps">CHILD</span> was mentally retarded and developmentally delayed</strong>. <span class="caps">CHILD</span> currently is severely mentally retarded and has an intractable seizure disorder.</p>

	<p>(The government) respondent has conceded that <span class="caps">CHILD</span> suffered a residual seizure disorder as set forth in the Vaccine Injury Table, but argues against a finding that <span class="caps">CHILD</span> also suffered an encephalopathy (brain injury). Moreover, (the government) contends that <span class="caps">CHILD</span> suffers from autism, which has produced his severe mental retardation and developmental delay. Consequently, (the government) urges that compensation in this case be limited to those expenses that reasonably might be incurred for <span class="caps">CHILD</span>&#8217;s residual seizure disorder, not for expenses he might accrue because of his mental retardation, developmental delay and autistic behaviors.</p>

	<p><strong>The question of encephalopathy.</strong></p>

	<p>*(Government physician) believes that <span class="caps">CHILD</span> currently suffers from autism and mental retardation that are the result of an independent underlying neurologic condition that pre-dated the vaccination*. However, all tests that were conducted to determine possible causes for <span class="caps">CHILD</span>&#8217;s condition have revealed none. Furthermore, (government physician) has posited no origin of any underlying neurologic condition. (Government physician) would have us believe that <span class="caps">CHILD</span>&#8217;s grand mal convulsion following his second <span class="caps">DPT</span> vaccination was simply a manifestation of benign febrile seizures and that <span class="caps">CHILD</span> had another concurrent underlying (but etiologically undetermined) neurological disorder which later produced his severe mental retardation and autism.</p>

	<p>I reject this theory for several reasons. First, the Vaccine Act&#8217;s defines encephalopathy as &#8220;any significant acquired abnormality of, or injury to, or impairment of function of the brain.&#8221; Section 14(b)((3)(A). This definition is extremely broad. <span class="caps">CHILD</span>&#8217;s initial grand mal seizure indicated an impairment of function of the brain. The question becomes whether this was a benign event unrelated to any lasting neurological sequelae. In my view&#8230; (CHILD&#8217;s treating pediatric neurologist) is in a better position to accurately assess <span class="caps">CHILD</span>&#8217;s illness than (government physician). Beginning in 1980, when he first evaluated <span class="caps">CHILD</span>, (CHILD&#8217;s neurologist) diagnosed <span class="caps">CHILD</span> as having static encephalopathy probably related to the time of his first seizure at four months of age.</p>

	<p>Based on the foregoing, <strong>I find that there is a preponderance of the evidence that <span class="caps">CHILD</span> suffered an encephalopathy within 72 hours of the administration of a <span class="caps">DPT</span> vaccination on December 23, 1974, and that no alternative cause for such encephalopathy has been satisfactorily shown</strong>.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Read all that carefully? Good. Now, where in that summation does the Special Master find <em>&#8216;that the autistic behavior, brain injury and mental retardation were all part of the vaccine injury&#8217;</em></p>

	<p>Brain injury &#8211; yes. mental retardation &#8211; yes. But where is &#8216;autistic behaviour&#8217; mentioned by the court? In fact, the truth is that the only person who raised the issue of autism at all were the government. They tried to explain away <span class="caps">CHILD</span>&#8217;s injury by blaming it on autism (which bizarrely wasn&#8217;t an actual diagnosis in 1974).</p>

	<p>Bottom line: the court did not, I repeat <strong>did not</strong> find that this child (a grown man now) had autism, autistic features or autistic behaviours as a result of vaccines. The closest we get is the phrase &#8216;static encephalopathy&#8217; which basically means that a child doesn&#8217;t develop. This can <em>lead</em> to autism (as well as a whole host of things such as cerebral palsy, learning disabilities, Schizophrenia) but it is not autism. When this diagnosis was given (1980) the child would&#8217;ve been 6 and thus well past the age at which autistic symptoms must appear.</p>

	<p>An interesting sidenote. We can guesstimate the 1974 schedule. Well, maybe not the schedule but we can at least see which vaccines were in use.</p>

	<p>In 1960, the US was using Smallpox, DTwP and Polio. By the <a href="http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/generic.jsp?id=75700">mid-80&#8217;s</a>, the schedule was made up of <span class="caps">DTP</span>, MMR and Polio.</p>

	<p>Smallpox was <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FSL/is_2_77/ai_98134857">dropped in 1971</a> and <span class="caps">MMR </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine">stared in</a> 1963. Therefore we can guesstimate that in 1974 the schedule was the same as the 1980 one. <span class="caps">DTP</span>, MMR and Polio. At some point however, the Polio switched from injection to Oral. I can&#8217;t find out when.</p>

	<p>So &#8211; how is this &#8216;too many too soon&#8217;? How is a case from when there wasn&#8217;t even an autism category relevant? How is a case where the claim is that one single vaccine caused autism in any way similar to the idea of &#8216;too many too soon&#8217;?</p>
 
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							<small><a rel="nofollow" href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/08/sharyl-atkinson-are-you-sure/#comment-52567">2008-Aug-19</a></small>
							I won't speak for Ms. Seidel, but for some of us, we started looking for other cases after reading this:

<blockquote>The case may not be a first, said Gary Golkiewicz, chief special master for the U.S. Court of Federal Claims. He oversees the special “vaccine court” which rules on requests for payments from the vaccine injury fund.

“Years ago, actually, I had a case, before we understood or knew the implications of autism, that the vaccine injured the child’s brain caused an encephalopathy,” he said. And the symptoms that come with that “fall within the broad rubric of autism.”

And there are other somewhat similar cases, Golkiewicz says, that were decided before autism and its symptoms were more clearly defined.</blockquote>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23519029/

Let's see, that was March 7th.  Sharyl Attkisson is just getting around to following up on that?  She appears to be rationing the cases out--one case per blog post.  Is that the difference between someone paid to present the news (Attkisson) and a "mere mother" (Seidel)?
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						  <li><img alt='' src='http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/25069855b6970a08e98fa2bef253d69f?s=32&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&amp;r=R' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' /><i>Another Voice:</i>
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							Why doesn’t someone in management at CBS insist upon an internet search being done prior to running some of these stories as investigative reports?
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							Dravet syndrome? It is a genetic disorder, de novo mutations of the sodium-channel gene SCN1A. Children with these mutations are seemingly normal until they have the first high fever episode (it could be post-vaccination fever as well) - then the syndrome manifests with epileptic syndrome and subsequent developmental delay (encephalopathy). The genetic diagnosis was not possible until recently - the mutation was first identified in 2001. 

See also: Berkovic et al. De-novo mutations of the sodium channel gene SCN1A in alleged vaccine encephalopathy: a retrospective study. Lancet Neurol 2006 Jun;5(6):488-92.
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							Sorry for the bad blockquotes in the above comment. This whole section was quoted:

<blockquote>    The case may not be a first, said Gary Golkiewicz, chief special master for the U.S. Court of Federal Claims. He oversees the special “vaccine court” which rules on requests for payments from the vaccine injury fund.</blockquote>

<blockquote>
“Years ago, actually, I had a case, before we understood or knew the implications of autism, that the vaccine injured the child’s brain caused an encephalopathy,” he said. And the symptoms that come with that “fall within the broad rubric of autism.”</blockquote>

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And there are other somewhat similar cases, Golkiewicz says, that were decided before autism and its symptoms were more clearly defined.</blockquote>
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							<small><a rel="nofollow" href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2008/08/sharyl-atkinson-are-you-sure/#comment-52575">2008-Aug-19</a></small>
							Sullivan, that comment from Special Master Golkiewicz is exactly what inspired me to spend a day at my local college library searching Lexis for published VICP decisions that referred to autism or similar conditions. Although the list of cases in my article consists entirely of public information, I am responsible for its existence; I did all the research, read through almost one hundred cases to find the ones that were relevant, compiled the list and prepared all of the summaries.

After I published my article on March 11, Paul King and Gary Goldman incorporated the list verbatim into <a href="http://www.medicalveritas.com/vaccinemyth.pdf" rel="nofollow">Key realities about autism, vaccines, vaccine-injury compensation, Thimerosal, and autism-related research</a>. Neurodiversity Weblog is cited as the source, but King and Goldman didn't bother to cite me as the author. I'm sure that the omission was deliberate; they didn't fail to note the authors of any other references.

Since then, the list has traveled to various antivaccinationist sites, including <a href="http://www.whale.to/vaccine/king.html" rel="nofollow">Whale</a> and <a href="http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clifford.g.miller/mediataming.htm" rel="nofollow">Clifford Miller's site.</a> And of course, Sharyl Attkisson would like the world to think that  she dug up every one of these cases all by herself.

I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that about 1:150 VICP payouts involved people on the autism spectrum.
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		<description><![CDATA[If you search around the web, you can find people suggesting other vaccine schedules than that used in the &#8220;overly aggressive&#8221; United States. One you will find, promoted by the autism/vaccine advocacy group Generation Rescue doesn&#8217;t include any coverage whatsoever for Measles Mumps or Rubella. That is scary. Just plain scary. They have others, though. [...]]]></description>
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		</div>	<p>If you search around the web, you can find people suggesting other vaccine schedules than that used in the &#8220;overly aggressive&#8221; United States.</p>

	<p>One you will find, promoted by the autism/vaccine advocacy group Generation Rescue doesn&#8217;t include any coverage whatsoever for Measles Mumps or Rubella.  That is scary.  Just plain scary.</p>

	<p>They have others, though.  One is &#8220;Go Danish&#8221;, with this little blurb:</p>

	<p><blockquote>Comment: Denmark is a first world country based in Western Europe. Their schedule appears far more reasonable than ours. They have also been reported to have a much lower rate of autism than the U.S. Do they know something we don&#8217;t?</blockquote></p>

	<p>They give the vaccine schedule as of December 2006.  Hmmm, makes you wonder what it looks like now, doesn&#8217;t it?  We&#8217;ll get to that.</p>

	<p>Well, let&#8217;s look at the &#8220;recommended&#8221; &#8220;alternate&#8221; schedule based on the 2006 Danish schedule:</p>

	<p>DTaP at 3, 5 and 12 months<br />
Hib at 3, 5 and 12 months<br />
<span class="caps">IPV</span> at 3, 5 and 12 months, plus 5 years<br />
<span class="caps">MMR</span> at 15 months and 12 years</p>

	<p>And, this supposedly leads to a lower autism prevalence.  Take a look again&#8212;that means that giving 5 vaccines at once, three times in the first year of life doesn&#8217;t cause a high autism rate.  It also means that <span class="caps">MMR</span> at 15 months does not cause a high autism rate.</p>

	<p>With this on their website as a  something to &#8220;consider&#8221;, shouldn&#8217;t they consider what this tells us?  Again, assuming that the autism prevalence in Denmark is low, doesn&#8217;t this tell us that vaccinations given in combination, early in life, don&#8217;t cause autism &#8220;epidemics&#8221;?  Isn&#8217;t it pretty clear that the <span class="caps">MMR</span> doesn&#8217;t cause &#8220;autism epidemics&#8221;?</p>

	<p>The current Danish schedule is now somewhat modified from the 2006 one noted at the Generation Rescue website.  They&#8217;ve added the pneumococcal conjugate vaccine (PCV) at 3, 5 and 12 months.  That&#8217;s 6 vaccines at once 3 times in the first year of life.</p>

	<p>That sounds like a lot of jabs for those little Danish kids&#8230;except that they use combination vaccines. Not just DTaP, but DTaPHibIPV.  Wow, a five part combination vaccine.  I don&#8217;t think this is what Generation Rescue had in mind when they suggested &#8220;Go Danish&#8221;.</p>

	<p>They have also added the <span class="caps">HPV </span>(Gardasil) vaccine at age 12, but I really think the discussions of that vaccine have nothing to do with autism and just paint factions of the autism community as anti-vaccine, so I prefer to stay out of that discussion.</p>

	<p>The combination vaccine (which I assume is fairly new) and the addition of the <span class="caps">PCV</span> vaccine will give groups like Generation Rescue a talking point if/when the autism counts in Denmark increase to something similar to the rest of the world.</p>

	<p>But, let&#8217;s leave where we started, with the words of Generation Rescue, speaking about Denmark:</p>

	<p><blockquote>They have also been reported to have a much lower rate of autism than the U.S. Do they know something we don&#8217;t?</blockquote></p>

	<p>Apparently, the Danish know that multiple vaccines don&#8217;t cause autism.  If we believe Generation Rescue, it looks like Denmark has the data to show it.</p>
 
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							Going back over my son's vaccination records has been interesting.  He received his MMR at 13 months (nearly 12 years ago), here in the U.S.  I didn't notice any change.  What I do remember is asking the pediatrician why my son had this odd skull shape with a bump on the top.
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							What is David Kirby's evidence of a low prevalence of autism in Denmark? One should note that all epidemiological studies there (AFAIK) are done by looking in their psychiatric registry. In other words, they are only counting children who have gotten an official psychiatric diagnosis of autism, not all autistic children. 

The most recent epidemiology I can find is <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15697060?ordinalpos=26&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" rel="nofollow">Lauritsen et al. (2004)</a>, and if you add up all PDDs there, prevalence is 34.4 in 10,000; not too different to prevalence in the Atlanta area as ascertained in the mid 1990s.
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							I don't know why I said David Kirby, above. Knee-jerk reaction to nonsense claims, I guess.  Either way, just replace David Kirby with whoever is making the claim.
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							Joseph,

natural mistake--it was Generation Rescue who made the unsupported assertion this time.  They may have used David Kirby's "research", as in his debate with Arthur Allen, David Kirby listed the prevalence in Denmark as 

"Denmark – 2004: 1 in 1,300 (8 per 10,000)"
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							The Swedish vaccination schedule is more or less identical to the Danish, except that they vaccinate against MMR later (18 months)

http://www.ssi.dk/graphics/euvac/vaccination/sweden.html

but their ASD incidence is 1 in 166:

http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2006/06/welcome-to-sweden.html
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