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		<title>Fallout of the vaccine-autism scare: Measles in Wales</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim Carrey, Jenny McCarthy, Andrew Wakefield&#8230;what do these people have in common? They have all helped promote fear of vaccines&#8212;especially the Measles/MumpsRubella (MMR) vaccine&#8212;by claiming there is evidence vaccines cause autism. To be fair, Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy relatively new to the scene, unlike Dr. Wakefield, whose flawed research really fueled the fear. Perhaps [...]]]></description>
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		</div>	<p>Jim Carrey, Jenny McCarthy, Andrew Wakefield&#8230;what do these people have in common?  They have all helped promote fear of vaccines&#8212;especially the Measles/MumpsRubella (MMR) vaccine&#8212;by claiming there is evidence vaccines cause autism.</p>

	<p>To be fair, Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy relatively new to the scene, unlike Dr. Wakefield, whose flawed research really fueled the fear.  Perhaps the actors could learn from the doctor&#8217;s lesson: you claim <span class="caps">MMR</span> causes autism, that reduces the number of people getting immunized and people get sick.  Pretty simple logic.</p>

	<p>Measles was considered basically wiped out in the UK until a few years ago when it returned, sickening thousands and killing a few.  Last year, measles returned to the US, and i<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2204">t&#8217;s back this year</a>.  Now we see that the UK isn&#8217;t being spared int he 2008-09 season: Wales has <a href="http://www.newswales.co.uk/?section=Health&#38;F=1&#38;id=16745">approximately 60 cases of measles suspected or confirmed.</a></p>

	<p>Nineteen cases are in Llanelli&#8212;that&#8217;s in the lower left corner of this map:</p>

	<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/llanelimeasles.png"><img src="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/llanelimeasles-300x262.png" alt="Map showing location of recent measles outbreak in Wales" title="llanelimeasles" width="300" height="262" class="size-medium wp-image-2216" /></a>

	<p>That&#8217;s a short ride from Swansea, Cardiff, Bristol&#8230;lots of high density population centers.  Any reasonable person would find that scary.</p>

	<p>We in the autism communities need to stand up against misinformation that leads to people being sickened and, in some cases, killed.  The <span class="caps">MMR</span>-Autism link never had good evidence, and now there is good evidence that <span class="caps">MMR</span> does <em>not</em> cause autism  Even people like the autism-is-vaccine-injury proponent <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1252">Rick Rollens admitted it&#8217;s time to look beyond <span class="caps">MMR</span></a> (<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1301">and here</a>).</p>

	<p>Jim Carrey seems to understand at least on some level that it is wrong to dissuade people from vaccination.   He claimed (incorrectly):</p>

	<p><blockquote>We have never argued that people shouldn&#8217;t be immunized for the most serious threats including measles and polio&#8230;</blockquote></p>

	<p>Maybe there is some Clintonian logic about the words &#8220;We&#8221; and &#8220;argued&#8221;.  But, on Larry King Live, Jenny McCarthy stated:</p>

	<p><blockquote>You need to find a doctor that can find an alternate schedule.  Generationrescue.org has three of them on there. </blockquote></p>

	<p>Generation Rescue, aka &#8220;Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey&#8217;s Autism Organization&#8221; has alternate schedules on their website.  The &#8220;favorite&#8221; of the three alternate vaccine schedules states, very clearly,</p>

	<p><blockquote>One should avoid vaccines that contain live viruses. This includes the combined measles mumps and rubella vaccines&#8230;</blockquote></p>

	<p>You&#8217;ve talked the talk, time to walk the walk, Jim.  Pull that schedule off your website.  Get your organization to make a clear statement about the value of vaccinating against measles.</p>

	<p>I realize that I have concentrated a lot on Jim Carrey in this piece.  But, there is a man who can make a difference in the future.  That future will see people in the US and the UK sickened by measles.  The question is how many.  What Jim Carrey says could make that number larger or smaller, it all depends on whether he makes good on his sentiment that measles is a serious disease worth immunizing against.</p>
 
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		<title>Oldstone letter in the Omnibus docket</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I found that the Autism Omnibus Proceeding expert reports were public, the first one that caught my eye was by Andrew Zimmerman. Obviously, it caught Kev&#8217;s attention too :) But, I have only a brief time available today, so I will start with this letter by Dr. Michael Oldstone. It is brief enough that [...]]]></description>
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		</div>	<p>When I found that the <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2006">Autism Omnibus Proceeding expert reports were public</a>, the first one that caught my eye was by Andrew Zimmerman.  Obviously, <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=2004">it caught Kev&#8217;s attention too :)</a></p>

	<p>But, I have only a brief time available today, so I will start with <a href="http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/autism/Expert%20Reports/Snyder_01-162V/ExAA_Oldstone_Letter_01-162.pdf">this letter by Dr. Michael Oldstone</a>.  It is brief enough that I have copied the body in its entirety below.</p>

	<p>To summarize, Rick Rollens asked Dr. Oldstone to consider collaborating with Dr. O&#8217;Leary and Dr. Wakefield on the Autism/MMR question.  It was a good move on Mr. Rollens&#8217; part, as Dr. Odlstone is one of the preeminent researchers in viral pathogenesis.  Has been for decades.</p>

	<p>Before agreeing to collaborate, Dr. Oldstone wanted to check on the quality of the results coming out of the O&#8217;Leary laboratory.  Dr. Oldstone sent tissue samples to Dr. O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s laboratory, some with measles virus, some without.  Dr. O&#8217;Leary tested them&#8212;and got the wrong answer 20% of the time.  Dr. Oldstone sent another batch of samples, some duplicates from the first batch.  Not only did Dr. O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s laboratory get 20% wrong again but, in Dr. Oldstone&#8217;s words:</p>

	<p><blockquote>Most troublesome, some samples, when tested twice under different code numbers &#8216;switched&#8217; from positive to negative or from negative to positive. On this basis of inaccuracies of their <span class="caps">PCR</span> test, I declined from further working with either Drs. Wakefield or O&#8217;Leary.</blockquote></p>

	<p>This goes directly towards the question of the quality of the data coming from Dr. O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s laboratory.  This is a big question.  The <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1252">Hornig study</a> came out last year, an attempt to replicate Dr. Wakefield&#8217;s research.  In one of the strangest moves I have ever seen by a researcher<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1291">, Dr. Wakefield claimed that this study actually supported his research</a> by demonstrating that Dr. O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s lab is capable of making accurate <span class="caps">PCR</span> measurements.  Dr. Wakefield neglected the obvious point&#8212;being accurate today doesn&#8217;t mean one was accurate yesterday.  He also neglected the suggestion (made by Dr. O&#8217;Leary himself at the press conference for the Hornig study) that Dr. Wakefield&#8217;s samples could have been contaminated.</p>

	<p>Well, here is a good example that Dr. O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s laboratory was not making accurate measurements.  This was iin the &#8220;early 2000&#8217;s&#8221;.  Note that the <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&#38;cmd=Search&#38;doptcmdl=Citation&#38;defaultField=Title%20Word&#38;term=Uhlmann[author]%20AND%20Potential%20viral%20pathogenic%20mechanism%20for%20new%20variant%20inflammatory%20bowel%20disease.">Uhlman paper </a>(Dr. Wakefield&#8217;s team&#8217;s paper supposedly finding measles virus in gut tissue) came out in 2002&#8212;the same time period.</p>

	<p>Below is the letter, dated Oct. 12, 2007, from Dr. Oldstone to Dr. Brian Ward.</p>

	<p><blockquote>Dear Dr. Ward:</p>

	<p>I recently became aware that my work in the field of viral persistence is being quoted in support of the hypothesis that the measles virus component of the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is supposedly associated with the development of autistic spectrum disorder (ASD).</p>

	<p>Measles virus has been a focus of my laboratory for many years so this autismlmeasles link has been of interest to me. Further, I should state up front that I see at present no evidence whatsoever for such a link.</p>

	<p>In the early 2000s I was asked by Rick Rollens to consider a collaborative grant between my laboratory and that of Drs. Wakefield and O&#8217;Leary. Prior to making a decision, I decided to assess the performance of Dr. O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s <span class="caps">PCR</span>-based assays targeting measles virus. My laboratory generated samples from tissue culture cells infected with MV as well as tissue samples from our transgenic mouse model of MV infection (including gut and brain tissues), which were coded and sent to the O&#8217;Leary laboratory. Samples had varying titers of measles virus as well as appropriate negative control and measles virus positive samples. The arrangement was informal in that the samples were only sent to Dr. O&#8217;Leary for testing. After receiving Dr. O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s results, the code was broken and I discovered that approximately 20% of the samples were incorrect as to the<br />
presence or absence of measles virus. I reviewed the results with Dr. O&#8217;Leary as well as his protocols for preparing his assay, which I found to be sound and decided that perhaps there may have been some unknown error and a second set of samples should be sent. This second set was again coded anew and contained both new samples and several original samples. The results of the second round were no better with again approximately 20% of the samples misidentified by Dr. O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s laboratory. Most troublesome, some samples, when tested twice under different code numbers &#8216;switched&#8217; from positive to negative or from negative to positive. On this basis of inaccuracies of their <span class="caps">PCR</span> test, I declined from further working with either Drs. Wakefield or O&#8217;Leary.</p>

	<p>Sincerely,<br />
Michael B.A. Oldstone, M.D.<br />
Head, Viral-lmmunobiology Laboratory</blockquote></p>

 
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						  <li><img alt='' src='http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/4badcf11d87d65765f7b2dc37a1a9cc7?s=32&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&amp;r=R' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' /><i>Kev:</i>
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							Yeah but its the Judge Eady letters that _really_ matter. If you're desperate to move attention away from the contamination and bad process in the O'Leary lab of course.
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						  <li><img alt='' src='http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/f424c550698db43fdb206f32d5910c63?s=32&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&amp;r=R' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' /><i>Joseph:</i>
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							You mean the O'Leary lab did better than random chance or guessing? I'm a little shocked.
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						  <li><img alt='' src='http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/bbbd5a0df7164169c4d6273ff6060cec?s=32&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2F1.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&amp;r=R' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' /><i>Brian Deer:</i>
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							In June 2002, after another senior academic had refered to the Oldstone-O'Leary matter during the farcical Burton hearings, this is what Wakefield said:

"I would like to put the record straight with respect to Dr. Gershon’s testimony last year on the molecular detection of measles virus in the laboratory of Professor O’Leary. Dr. Gershon’s was false in relation to a number of assertions, whether or not his testimony constituted perjury or simply sloppy science. It is not my wish to take up valuable time in this hearing with the details of Dr. Gershon’s unacceptable errors or correspondence relating to this. All raw data have been provided to both the ranking
majority and minority members. Merely by way of illustration, he stated that tissues from experimental animals and others infected with measles virus were positive in Professor O’Leary’s lab. In fact, they were all entirely and consistently negative on repeat testing in blinded studies. Scientifically, Dr. Gershon’s behavior was a disgrace and I stand by that. I would level the same charge at anyone who relies on or has relied on in any way upon his testimony. The disgrace is that he did not check the raw data before impugning the reputation of a fellow scientist before the eyes of the world."

In other words, someone who had honestly told the committee that Oldstone had withdrawn cooperation with Wakefield and O'Leary after finding contamination in blinded samples, was subjected to abusive allegations of "perjury" from Wakefield.  Wakefield went on to attack Gershon's wife, alleging she had a conflict of interest over a chickenpox vaccine patent (she didn't, but he had one over a measles vaccine patent).

I actually asked Oldstone about this, years back, and he confirmed Gershon's account.

BTW, Sullivan, where did O'Leary talk about Wakefield's samples being contaminated?  You mention a press conference.  Is there are record?
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							Mr. Deer,

the audio from the newsconference can be found here

http://www.mediafire.com/?ti2ojnymwsh

Kev discussed thsi in a blog post,
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1285

O'Leary doesn't state that he knows the Wakefield samples were contaminated.  As I recall, he gives that as a strong possiblity of why the samples gave false positives.
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						  <li><i>blog-thing : In the blogosphere:</i>
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							[...] Of course, the big news in America has been the verdict in the vaccine court that there is no connection between MMR and autism. There is very little neutral ground on this issue. Those who believe that vaccines do cause autism will find support for their views on the Age of Autism If, like me you discount any connection between vaccines and autism, you will prefer Left Brain Right Brain. [...]
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		</div>	<p>Once more for the record, I like David. I tried very hard to get to see him in London last time he was over and we&#8217;d arranged to meet up for a drink but due to my family situation it wasn&#8217;t to be. However, I cannot let that stop me from recalling that we have very differing views on a wide range of things to do with autism and vaccines.</p>

	<p>I have noticed of late a tendency for David&#8217;s HuffPo blog posts to be more than usually full of &#8216;if&#8217; &#8216;maybe&#8217; &#8216;might&#8217; etc. However his skill as a writer buries these ambiguities and makes them appear certainties. I&#8217;m not even sure its a concious thing for David. His need to write well sometimes (I think) obscures a clinical need for precision in such delicate areas as he and I write in.</p>

	<p>With that in mind, I recalled <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/tom-daschle---friend-to-m_b_145004.html" rel="nofollow">a post of his</a> from November 2008 entitled &#8216;Tom Daschle: Friend to Many Autism Families&#8217; in which he describes Mr Daschle thusly:</p>

	<p><blockquote>By nominating Tom Daschle to head up the Department, President Elect Obama has selected a man who has demonstrated an unflinching willingness to question vaccine safety, and to fight for the rights of those people who believe they have been, or may be, seriously injured by certain vaccinations.</blockquote></p>

	<p>I think David might&#8217;ve been trying to insinuate that Tom Daschle&#8217;s nomination was good for the autism/antivaccine community. Certainly however, as with the autism/antivaccine&#8217;s belief that <span class="caps">RFK </span>Jr would be appointed by Obama, this nomination might not be quite what that community is expecting. <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/01/tom_daschle_on_vaccination_i_cant_imagin.php">As blogged by Orac</a> today, Daschle&#8217;s true feelings on vaccinations were spelt out by the man himself:</p>

	<p><blockquote>Immunization is probably as&#8212;as sound an investment as we can make in good health. I can&#8217;t imagine that we could do any better than ensure that every&#8212;every child is immunized, and that we understand the importance of&#8212;of broad-based immunization and the tremendous good health that can come from it.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Following that,<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/the-pentagon---a-voice-of_b_148490.html"> David made</a> a fairly innocuous presentation from a <span class="caps">US </span>Army scientist look much more sinister than it actually was. He claimed that the army listed autism as a possible &#8216;health effect&#8217; of mercury/thiomersal. It turned out that that was not actually the case.</p>

	<p><blockquote>Dr. Centeno&#8217;s presentation, entititled &#8216;Mercury Poisoning: A Clinical and Toxicological Perspective,&#8217; did mention Thimerosal. However, its inclusion was specifically intended to point out that although there has been some speculation about a potential association between Thimerosal and Autism, currently there is no data or science to support such a claim. Neither the <span class="caps">AFIP</span> nor Dr. Centeno have been involved in or conducted research on Autism.</blockquote></p>

	<p>After that was the recent debacle when <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1758">David mixed up Change.org and Change.gov</a> &#8211; the latter being a website of Obama. The former a privately owned enterprise for at least the last 2 years. David thought (and committed to a blog post) that Obama had hired pro-neurodiversity bloggers and he imagined a conversation Obama might have with an autism parent:</p>

	<p><blockquote>It is hard to imagine the President one day saying&#8230;&#8220;I do not think we should devote resources to finding out what happened to your [autistic child]. I do not believe there is anything we can do to help him, and it is not desirable to even try.</blockquote></p>

	<p>This post made me sad and angry. I thought better of David than that. To say that any of us who do not believe vaccines cause autism do not think it is desirable to help our autistic children is massively insulting. I hope someday David can maybe spend a bit of time with parents who don&#8217;t think vaccines caused their child&#8217;s autism and see for himself how we help our kids. And maybe an apology might be forthcoming also.</p>

	<p>David&#8217;s latest faux pas is regarding the latest <span class="caps">MIND</span> institute study. <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/uc-davis-study-autism-is_b_156153.html">In a post</a> entitled &#8216;UC Davis Study: Autism is Environmental (Can We Move On Now?)&#8217; David says:</p>

	<p><blockquote>Autism is predominantly an environmentally acquired disease, the study seems to conclude. Its meteoric rise, at least in California, cannot possibly be attributed to that shopworn mantra we still hear everyday, incredibly, from far too many public health officials: It&#8217;s due to better diagnosing and counting.</p>

	<p>The autism epidemic is real, and it is not caused by genes alone: You cannot have a genetic epidemic. It really is time that we, as a society, accept that cold, hard truth. </blockquote></p>

	<p>Here&#8217;s the full conclusion:</p>

	<p><blockquote>Autism incidence in California shows no sign yet of plateauing. Younger ages at diagnosis, differential migration, changes<br />
in diagnostic criteria, and inclusion of milder cases do not fully explain the observed increases. Other artifacts have yet to be quantified, and as a result, the extent to which the continued rise represents a true increase in the occurrence of autism remains unclear.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Lets look at that last again:</p>

	<p><blockquote>...the extent to which the continued rise represents a true increase in the occurrence of autism remains unclear.</blockquote></p>

	<p>And yet David seems to to think its crystal clear. The paper itself also contains some direct and fairly easy-to-check errors. For example:</p>

	<p><blockquote>The inclusion of milder cases has been suggested as an explanation for the increase in autism. Neither Asperger&#8217;s<br />
syndrome nor &#8220;pervasive developmental disorders not otherwise specified&#8221; qualify under the category of autism in the <span class="caps">DDS</span> system.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Here is what <span class="caps">DDS</span> passed on to me in Summer of 2007. I promised not to attribute the quote to an individual so I won&#8217;t, but you can email <span class="caps">DDS</span> yourselves and ask them.</p>

	<p><blockquote>The current <span class="caps">CDER</span> was written in 1978 and updated in 1986, which is why the language is so out of date ( e.g., Residual Autism). California has clinicians in the field who are, of course, using modern criteria in their assessments but then they have to go backwards and try to fit those kids into the 1986 <span class="caps">CDER</span>. So <strong>you are going to have Aspergers kids, <span class="caps">PDD</span>-NOS kids in both categories 1 and 2. Categories 1 and 2 are called &#8216;Autism.&#8217;</strong> But because there are so many clinicians, using lots of different techniques for evaluation, there is a lot of inconsistency and enrollment figures should not be misused as epidemiological data.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Hertz-Picciotto might also be interested in a quote from Rita Eagle PhD of the California Dept. of Developmental Services (DDS) to Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, Vol. 34, No. 1, February 2004:</p>

	<p><blockquote>To many clinicians, it appears that more and more children who, in the past, would never have been referred to the regional centers for example, bright but anxious and slightly socially inept kids with average or better IQs and children who, in the past, had been or would have been diagnosed as <span class="caps">ADHD</span>, OCD, <span class="caps">ODD</span>, anxiety disorder, learning disabilities, psychotic, and so forth are now being diagnosed wit high-functioning autism and/or Asperger syndrome and referred to the regional centers for services.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Truth is that a <strong>lot</strong> of Hertz-Picciotto 2009 is simply wrong. For an extensive overview of why, <a href="http://autismnaturalvariation.blogspot.com/2009/01/mind-institutes-second-attempt-more-of.html">please read Joseph&#8217;s technical takedown</a> from which I&#8217;ll quote his conclusion:</p>

	<p><blockquote>H-P et al. is a surprisingly poor paper. It does not produce any new data in order to support its two main results. It makes an apples-to-oranges comparison between a Finnish epidemiological study and California <span class="caps">DDS</span> ascertainment over time. It tells us the obvious about &#8220;milder&#8221; cases. In the end, I don&#8217;t think this is an improvement over the 2002 <span class="caps">MIND </span>Institute report to the California Legislature. In fact, it could very well be worse.</p>

	<p>The way H-P et al. have gone about trying to show there&#8217;s a real rise in autism incidence over time is not a very good way to go about doing things, in my view. There are other ways. For example, I&#8217;ve suggested trying to replicate Lotter (1967) in detail. This would not be as easily challenged.</blockquote></p>

	<p>David closes his latest error prone piece with:</p>

	<p><blockquote>But the sooner our best minds in science and medicine come to grips with the fact that these poor, hapless kids have been exposed to the wrong environmental toxins and/or infectious agents at the wrong time, the sooner we can find out how to best treat what really ails them.</blockquote></p>

	<p>This is a prime example of bad science leading the media. David has reported on a paper that has made fairly bad errors and taken them at their word. Sadly, this sort of thing will only continue as long as institutions like <span class="caps">MIND </span>(controlled by a man who is dedicated to proving vaccines cause autism) churn out error strewn papers.</p>
 
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							Thanks for linking, Kev.

After I wrote my post, I thought of a much simpler way to explain the problem with H-P et al. 

It's this: They completely ignore awareness as a factor. They look at diagnostic criteria, access, age of diagnosis, etc., but they completely leave out what could very well be the single most important factor in the rise of autism diagnoses: awareness. 

You wouldn't know it from the conclusions, but the researchers do admit that awareness is something they don't account for toward the end of the paper. 

In an epidemiological screening, awareness is not really a factor. But in a database like California DDS, awareness is supremely important. (This also goes to my opinion that the comparison of California DDS to a Finnish epi study is apples-and-oranges).

Let me put it this way. Imagine there's zero awareness. It doesn't matter what criteria is in place, there won't be any diagnoses.
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							A mistake like .org and .gov would be embarrassing, even for a baby blogger like <a href="http://the-newrepublic.blogspot.com" title="" rel="nofollow">me</a>.

For someone who claims to be a journalist, it's pretty damning.

He could probably get a job whipping up weather or Diana stories for the Daily Express.
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							<blockquote cite="">controlled by a man who is dedicated to proving vaccines cause autism</blockquote>

I think "controlled" is likely not accurate.  The gentleman  I believe you are referring to doesn't even have an office or phone at the MIND Institute.

I like Dr. H-P, actually.  I would love to sit down with her and discuss this paper since I have some major issues with it, though.
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							A journalist would be so ashamed at the trail of wrongness highlighted in this post, he or she would, at the very least, show some sign of contrition.

David Kirby?  Not so much.  Barreling ahead!  Who cares about accuracy when you answer to a fratboy ideologue?
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							"Why is David Kirby grasping at straws?"

Um, because as a journalist, he's a hack with a busted rep, and couldn't get a job with any decent mag or paper, but has found plenty of rubes in the "autism community"?  Anyway, that's my guess.
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		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note: I didn&#8217;t do my homework&#8212;Ms. Attkisson has discussed the Hornig paper. She manages to do exactly what we would expect: toe the ThoughtfulHouse line. The blog piece by Ms. Attkisson was posted while I was finishing my fax, given the time stamp. As you will read below, I didn&#8217;t find Sharyl Attkisson&#8217;s recent blog [...]]]></description>
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		</div>	<p>Note: I didn&#8217;t do my homework&#8212;<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/08/primarysource/entry4427530.shtml">Ms. Attkisson has discussed the Hornig paper</a>.  She manages to do exactly what we would expect: toe the ThoughtfulHouse line.  The blog piece by Ms. Attkisson was posted while I was finishing my fax, given the time stamp.</p>

	<p>As you will read below, I didn&#8217;t find <a href="http://tinyurl.com/54pzhp">Sharyl Attkisson&#8217;s recent blog post </a>to be what I expected.  OK, I wasn&#8217;t expecting her to be convinced by the <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1252">recent study by Hornig et al., </a> <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003140">(paper here</a>) but I at least expected her to comment on it.   Instead, she dodged the issue completely.  Worse yet, her post boils down to (a) assuming that the government doesn&#8217;t do vaccine safety research  then (b) apparently implying that she and Dr. Bernadine Healy are somehow responsible for a &#8220;new&#8221; effort by the government to study vaccine safety.</p>

	<p>So, <span class="caps">CBS</span> news has two new pages in their fax machine (<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1057">to go along with a previous fax</a>).  In an effort to save their staffers the time of forwarding the fax, I quote it below.</p>

	<p><blockquote>September 8, 2008</p>

	<p>Katie Couric, Managing Editor<br />
<span class="caps">CBS </span>Television Network<br />
524 West 57th Street<br />
6th Floor<br />
New York, <span class="caps">NY 10019</span>-2902</p>

	<p><span class="caps">VIA FACSIMILE</span></p>

	<p>Dear Ms. Couric,</p>

	<p>I have faxed you recently about my concerns with the reporting of Ms. Attkisson.  I would love to be writing you now with word that things have improved. But, sadly, they have not.</p>

	<p>Ms. Attkisson appears to have avoided the key story of the week (if not month) in vaccines and autism: the study by Hornig et al. which shows (again) a lack of a link between autism and the <span class="caps">MMR</span> vaccine.  Instead, Ms. Attkisson ran a blog piece that perpetuates the myth that vaccine safety is not a high priority for the nation&#8217;s health researchers.</p>

	<p>Hornig et al. is precisely the sort of study that Dr. Bernadine Healy (in an interview by Ms. Attkisson) claimed the research establishment was &#8220;afraid&#8221; to perform: a study looking not at large populations, but specifically at children with autism.  In this paper, the study group critera were very narrow: children with autism who regressed and have significant GI problems. The study sought to answer questions raised by Dr. Wakefield&#8217;s flawed study, which has caused much distress in the autism community for 10 years.  The study found that <span class="caps">MMR</span> is not linked to autism: a conclusion accepted by autism advocate Rick Rollens, one of the most vocal spokespeople for the autism/vaccine link.</p>

	<p>You can imagine that, yes, I expected Ms. Attkisson to address this study in her blog or reporting.  Instead I read with dismay her blog piece on September 4th, &#8220;Vaccine Watch&#8221;.  In her introduction, she references her interviews with Dr. Healy, but avoids the issue of the Hornig <span class="caps">MMR</span> study.  Instead, she discusses recent <span class="caps">NIH</span> grant solicitations in the area of vaccine safety, and presents them as though vaccine safety research is something new.  As noted above, this perpetuates the myth that vaccine safety is not being studied.</p>

	<p>In addition to the Hornig et al. study, there is another study soon to be released on autism and thimerosal containing vaccines.   Again, a targeted study looking at the exact population of interest.  I would hope that this one doesn&#8217;t escape Ms. Attkisson&#8217;s attention.  Also, one need look no further than clinicaltrials.gov to find ongoing studies on vaccine safety and adverse events.  It is difficult to find a way that will not appear sarcastic to point out that the <span class="caps">CDC</span>&#8217;s Vaccine Safety Office is a very clear example of the government&#8217;s ongoing commitment to tracking vaccine safety.</p>

	<p>If you have any question of how important the Hornig study is in the autism community, take a look at the comments on Ms. Attkisson&#8217;s own blog post.  You will find that, even though Ms. Attkisson avoided the study, the autism community considered the Hornig study to be the news of the week, not the <span class="caps">NIH</span> grant solicitations.</p>

	<p>Accusations of media bias are often applied too quickly by readers who disagree with the stances taken on certain stories.  However, in the case of Ms. Attkisson, I find it difficult to understand how she could avoid a story which not only was so important to the community, but also answered the precise questions she has posed in her previous reporting.</p>

	<p>I appreciate your time in this matter, and will gladly clarify any statements above that may not be clear.</p>

	<p>Sullivan<br />
Autism Parent<br />
LeftBrainRightBrain.co.uk<br />
SullivansJourney@gmail.com</blockquote></p>
 
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							Ms. Attkisson did a story on the other Hornig paper: the thimerosal mouse study.

I can't find a mention of the Berman paper which failed to replicated (even with 10x the thimerosal) those results.

Given the gravity of the situation, it is vitally important that as studies come out which support vaccine safety in regards to autism that people like Ms. Attkisson report on it.
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							Pretty pathetic on the part of Sharyl Attkisson.  She can dish it out when she thinks there's something for her to snipe about, but she can't take it when there's news that disconfirms her preconceptions.
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		<title>Experts comment on Hornig et al.&#8217;s MMR paper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s been interesting reading the news reports following the Hornig MMR/regression/bowel-disease study. That has been picked up by most major outlets (and minor outlets). It has been extensively blogged (Kev, Orac, Kristina, Anthony, Steve, Phil (bad astronomy), to name a few). I have enjoyed reading the various experts that have been brought in to comment [...]]]></description>
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		</div>	<p>It&#8217;s been interesting reading the news reports following the <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003140">Hornig <span class="caps">MMR</span>/regression/bowel-disease study</a>.   That has been picked up by most major outlets (and minor outlets).  It has been extensively blogged (<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1252">Kev</a>, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/09/yet_another_really_bad_day_for_antivacci_1.php">Orac</a>, <a href="http://www.autismvox.com/mmr-vaccine-does-not-cause-autism-not-that-you-didnt-know-that-already/">Kristina</a>,<a href="http://www.blacktriangle.org/blog/?p=1833"> Anthony</a>, <a href="http://onedadsopinion.blogspot.com/2008/09/now-is-it-over.html">Steve</a>, <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/03/antivax-new-evidence-shows-again-no-link-to-autism/">Phil (bad astronomy),</a> to name a few).</p>

	<p>I have enjoyed reading the various experts that have been brought in to comment on the paper.  I list some of them here.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/09/03/measles.autism/"><span class="caps">CNN</span></a></p>

	<p><blockquote>&#8220;This really puts this issue to bed,&#8221; said Andy Shih, vice president for scientific affairs of &#8220;Autism Speaks,&#8221; an advocacy group.</blockquote></p>

	<p><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MedicineCuttingEdge/story?id=5720092&#038;page=1"><span class="caps">ABC </span>News</a></p>

	<p><blockquote>Dr. Marie McCormick of the Harvard School of Public Health said these results are definitive and significant.</p>

	<p>&#8220;This is the nail in the coffin,&#8221; she said. &#8220;The final bit of research we were looking for to finally discredit this link between the measles vaccine and autism&#8221; is proven. But there have been dozens of studies over the years debunking a link between vaccines and autism and the controversy has still continued. </blockquote></p>

	<p><a href="http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20080903/autism-measles-vaccine-no-link">WebMD</a></p>

	<p><blockquote>&#8220;This really closes the scientific inquiry into whether measles or <span class="caps">MMR</span> vaccination causes autism,&#8221; Schaffner tells WebMD. &#8220;It is convincing because it takes the original concept of the profoundly flawed [earlier] study and does it the way it should have been done the first time.&#8221;</blockquote></p>


	<p>One of the most amazing parts of this event was the participation of Mr. Rick Rollens.  <a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=new-study-measles-vaccine">Scientific American</a> included some of Mr. Rollens&#8217; statements:</p>

	<p><blockquote>Rick Rollens, who has an autistic son who suffers from a &#8220;horrible bowel disorder,&#8221; called the new research sound science and praised it for calling attention to an underserved subset of the autism spectrum: those children who also suffer from GI problems. But he insists that it does not give the all clear to all vaccines.</p>

	<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m totally convinced that a vaccine caused the autism my child suffers from,&#8221; Rollens says. &#8220;This study by itself does not exonerate the role of all vaccines&#8221;&#8212;only the <span class="caps">MMR</span>.</blockquote></p>

	<p>On the stranger side (is it possible to get stranger than using Rick Rollens&#8217; quotes in support of a study unlinking a vaccine from autism?), Sallie Bernard, quoted at <a href="http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20080903/autism-measles-vaccine-no-link">WebMD</a> states</p>

	<p><blockquote>&#8220;On the plus side, this study has shown a link between gastrointestinal distress and regression in autism,&#8221; Bernard tells WebMD. &#8220;A lot of people don&#8217;t accept this and deny parents&#8217; perspective when they say their kids&#8217; with autism have GI trouble.&#8221;</blockquote></p>

	<p>I call this one strange because (a) the study didn&#8217;t show this link and (b) she complains that the study size is too small to be significant.  Too small for the parts she doesn&#8217;t like, just fine for the conclusions she wants to create.</p>

	<p>What&#8217;s missing so far is a statement from some of the people whom we all expect to not accept this study.  The good people at the Age-of-Autism have warned us that they have a &#8220;powerful response&#8221; from Mr. Olmsted coming out on Friday.  It&#8217;s 11:38 now on the west coast, I&#8217;m gonna go out on a limb and say it didn&#8217;t happen.   Julie Deardorff (Julie&#8217;s Health Club, a blog run by the Chicago Tribune) skipped past it and blogged about the vaccine uptake data that came out the next day.  Sharyl Attkisson&#8230;well, it doesn&#8217;t seem to be on her radar that yes, indeed, researchers have not turned their backs on the question of vaccines and autism.  Yes, indeed, they are looking at &#8220;the children that got sick&#8221;.  Odd, since she has a<a href="http://tinyurl.com/54pzhp"> vaccine-oriented blog post</a> dated Sept. 4.  It would have been very easy to include this new study there.  I guess correcting her old stories wouldn&#8217;t be much fun.</p>

	<p>What is fun, and totally off topic, was a bit from<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/07/02/couricandco/entry3007156.shtml"> this blog post </a>by Ms. Attkisson.  She was complaining that the <span class="caps">CDC</span> wastes money.  She talks about</p>

	<p>&#8220;...grants being awarded to projects that investigators have found in some cases to have &#8220;no objectives,&#8221; are &#8220;not performing,&#8221; or have been rated as &#8220;abysmal.&#8221; In other cases, grants have gone to community-based groups with very little oversight.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I hope she (and others) apply similar rules when considering whether to include projects in the <span class="caps">IACC</span>&#8217;s Strategic Plan that are likely to be rated &#8220;abysmal&#8221;, or are expected to be &#8220;not performing&#8221;.</p>

	<p>I wonder how she would feel about hundreds of thousands of dollars in pork sent to one of autism&#8217;s alternative medical groups with no oversight, no results.</p>

	<p>Well, I&#8217;ve wandered off topic.  It is 11:59 and still no &#8220;powerful response&#8221; from Mr. Olmsted.  Time to hit &#8220;publish&#8221;.</p>
 
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							I have two main groups of concerns,  Kev.  I am not an expert, but  the mom of an autistic child with a lot of questions
A) Is Edmonton vaccinal Strain sequences  the right measles to test as primers for checking of persistence, years after injection? 
And B)Do we need measles or other neurothropic virus presence/replication to produce an inital immune permanent change that may be related to some inflammatory /other situation in gut that affects brain?
http://www.nature.com/labinvest/journal/v87/n8/pdf/3700600a.pdf
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							Sullivan, sorry
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							Maria,

I'm not sure if I am answering your question (a) correctly here, but did you read the appendix S1?  They tested the primers to detect both vaccine and wild-type vaccine strains:

<blockquote>Testing by real time RT-PCR demonstrated the capacity of the new primer/probe sets to detect vaccine strain and wild type sequences associated with outbreaks of human disease (data not shown).</blockquote>

Also, they note specifically two wild-type strains that were validated:

<blockquote>Assay performance characteristics were validated using viral nucleic acid from three measles isolates: 1) vaccine strain virus (Moraten, a derivative of the Edmonston seed B strain; 2) MVi/Beijing.CHN/94-1 (Chinese wild type isolate); and 3) MVi/Reuler.LUX/17.96 (European wild type isolate). Standards were cloned for each of the respective gene target regions of these MV isolates.</blockquote>
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							The reason why you did not get "The Pwer" is that two very POWERFUL storms in the Atlantic blew the Olmsted effluvia right back to California. 

Remember, Olmsted is the so-called investigative journalist who went to Amish Country here in the States, and could not find any autistic kids. Of course, the fact that he neglected to go to the Clinic for Special Children where they are treated did not mean much to him.
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							Hi Sullivan
Thank you for the mention of the wild strains. from S1 However, no mention of the length of the sequence is included. AND if the strain is mutated, why is it going to match with the selected wild/vaccinal strains?
The persistence is not so rare as could be thought
J Gen Virol. 1995 Dec;76 ( Pt 12):3201-4.
Detection of measles virus nucleoprotein mRNA in autopsied brain tissues.
Katayama Y, Hotta H, Nishimura A, Tatsuno Y, Homma M.
Department of Microbiology, Kobe University School of Medicine, Hyogo, Japan.
By means of RT-PCR, a portion of measles virus (MV) mRNA encoding nucleoprotein (NP) could be detected in 11 (18%) of 61 brain tissue samples obtained from administrative autopsy cases, who apparently had not suffered from subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE)-like central nervous system disorders. Most of the brain-derived NP sequences showed significant asynonymous nucleotide substitutions when compared with wild-type MV isolates and SSPE virus. Our present results suggest that MV commonly persists in the human brain without causing apparent clinical symptoms, probably due to decreased virus replication.
J Clin Microbiol. 1998 Jan;36(1):299-301. 
Detection of measles virus mRNA from autopsied human tissues.
Katayama Y, Kohso K, Nishimura A, Tatsuno Y, Homma M, Hotta H.
Department of Microbiology, Kobe University School of Medicine, Hyogo, Japan. 

By reverse transcription-PCR, measles virus (MV) mRNA was detected in the brain, kidney, spleen, liver, and lung tissues obtained from 23 (45.1%) of 51 autopsy subjects, with the detection rates of each tissue ranging from 8 to 20%. Sequence analysis revealed frequent mutations in the corresponding viral protein. These results suggest that MV mutants commonly persist in apparently healthy individuals 

MV mutants…. 

  
All is about persistence checking . But if there is persistence there is  virus replication and if there is replication of measles RNA there is mutation of the sequence –whetever the place-therefore why they use primers of the original vaccinal strain  instead of the techniques that are used to amplify potential unknown sequences-unknown RNA virus-, with complete sequencing and comparison with known detected RNA Viruses-different measles sequences? Dr Wakefield´s team used short sequences – with all the problems cited in methodology but being shorter it was unespecific BUT perhaps that was the reason of being positive for example Kawashiwa et al-that made cDNA step that Souza didn´t; Other used longer sequences- but of the Edmonton vaccinal strain but the patients were different-even ages were different-.  Souza didn´t use the SAME approach. 


Let me to present you the idea that concerns me-although I am open to the possibility of being wrong of course.They –ALL-are checking supposed persistence using primers of a vaccinal strain – considering in advance that it was the same that injected, years after injected. Therefore they are searching for a frozen virus sequence that did not mutate and they say that they check for persistance-that implies replication ??? With the rate of MV mutation? You need cleareance of MV through an adequate imumune answer ...but even in that case there is mutated MV found?
How the immune system avoids persistance and assure cleareance and how manage to avoid negative impact of the mutated MV found in healthy people?

 But if it persisted, it replicated and it mutated and if it didn´t replicate it didn´t mutate  and then didn´t persist therefore WHY TO search for unchanged EDMONTON VACCINAL STRAIN with Primers of Edmonton vaccinal strain for PERSISTENCE-YEARS after injection-or selected wild strains - instead of Recovering with Multiplex PCR- considering coinfections (Human DNA is the only thing to recover from the gut of autistic children with the coinfections of viral-herpes-fungal/bacterial infections they are reported to have?) or other advanced techniques used to unknwon? What about the wild infections management?
Why NOT other advanced techniques to recover unknown RNA viruses–and full sequencing-such as it is done with new genetic variants of RNA measles viruses AND looking for homologous sequences with MV and other RNA virus from the MMR and wild origin from the MMR group? What about coinfections and intereference viral/bacterial/fungal- beyond the contamination in the test?
All was reduced to Dr Wakefield original question and NO NEW IDEAS were tested. 
With the amount of knowledge accumulated in persistence why to repeat that question once and again and again without the analysis of the question?
For example

Virus Res. 2005 Aug;111(2):132-47. Links
Molecular mechanisms of measles virus persistence.Rima BK, Duprex WP.
School of Biology and Biochemistry and Centre for Cancer Research and Cell Biology, The Queen's University of Belfast, Belfast BT9 7BL, Northern Ireland, UK. 

As measles virus causes subacute sclerosing panencephalitis and measles inclusion body encephalitis due to its ability to establish human persistent infection, without symptoms for the time between the acute infection and the onset of clinical symptoms, it has been the paradigm for a long term persistent as opposed to chronic infection by an RNA virus. We have reviewed the mechanisms of persistence of the virus and discuss specific mutations associated with CNS infection affecting the matrix and fusion protein genes. These are placed in the context of our current understanding of the viral replication cycle. We also consider the proposed mechanisms of persistence of the virus in replicating cell cultures and conclude that no general mechanistic model can be derived from our current state of knowledge. Finally, we indicate how reverse genetics approaches and the use of mouse models with specific knock-out and knock-in modifications can further our understanding of measles virus persistence.
What do you think, Sullivan?
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		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In shocking news, yet another study shows that the MMR doesn&#8217;t cause autism. The study (which is here for your edification Dear Reader). attempted to replicate 1998 research by a team led by Dr. Andrew Wakefield, then of Britain&#8217;s Royal Free Hospital, in the Lancet medical journal that suggested the vaccine was linked to autism [...]]]></description>
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		</div>	<p>In <a href="http://www.forbes.com/reuters/feeds/reuters/2008/09/03/2008-09-03T213128Z_01_N03276037_RTRIDST_0_AUTISM-MMR-EMBARGOED.html">shocking news</a>, yet another study shows that the <span class="caps">MMR</span> doesn&#8217;t cause autism. The study (which <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003140">is here</a> for your edification Dear Reader).</p>

	<p><blockquote>attempted to replicate 1998 research by a team led by Dr. Andrew Wakefield, then of Britain&#8217;s Royal Free Hospital, in the Lancet medical journal that suggested the vaccine was linked to autism and gastrointestinal problems.</blockquote></p>

	<p>And how did that work out for them?</p>

	<p><blockquote>....they could not find any link and hope their study will encourage parents to vaccinate their children to combat a rash of measles outbreaks.</blockquote></p>

	<p>The &#8216;official&#8217; study conclusion is:</p>

	<p><blockquote>This study provides strong evidence against association of autism with persistent <span class="caps">MV RNA</span> in the GI tract or <span class="caps">MMR</span> exposure. Autism with GI disturbances is associated with elevated rates of regression in language or other skills and may represent an endophenotype distinct from other <span class="caps">ASD</span>.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Interestingly, the lead author is one Mady Hornig whom you might remember from the <a href="http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2005/07/rain-mouse.html">infamous Rain Mouse debacle</a>. Seems like she&#8217;s turned over a new leaf. Gone are the lurid descriptions of skull chewing and in instead are pleas to vaccinate children from a killer disease. Credit where its due Ms Hornig, well done.</p>

	<p><blockquote> &#8220;We found no relationship between the timing of <span class="caps">MMR</span> vaccine and the onset of either GI complaints or autism,&#8221; Dr. Mady Hornig, also of Columbia, said in a statement.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Another interesting aspect is that the methodology the team used means they utilised three different labs. One of which was the O&#8217;Leary lab. This time, they did a good job. Shame they <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=566">screwed up so bad </a>the first time. Maybe if they hadn&#8217;t, things would&#8217;ve been over a long time ago. Is it just me or does this paper feel like a few people trying to claw back some scientific credibility?</p>

	<p>Anyway, the study also found:</p>

	<p><blockquote>But the study did find evidence that children with autism have persistent bowel troubles that should be addressed.</blockquote></p>

	<p>They still didn&#8217;t say whether these bowel troubles (which they found weren&#8217;t associated with the <span class="caps">MMR</span>) were occurring at a higher rate in autistic kids. Maybe someone will address that one day.</p>

	<p>Oh and Rick Rollens was there too, teeth and buttocks clenched no doubt as he congratulated the scientists. He said:</p>

	<p><blockquote>No longer can mainstream medicine ignore parents&#8217; claims of clinically significant GI distress.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Had they ever? I&#8217;ve never seen a study that shows that. He also said:</p>

	<p><blockquote>&#8220;This study by itself does not exonerate the role of all vaccines&#8221;</blockquote></p>

	<p>What a genius. He spotted the phrase &#8216;Measles Virus Vaccine&#8217; in the study title and worked out the rest all by himself! Nothing gets past our Rick!</p>

	<p>So, <span class="caps">MMR</span> doesn&#8217;t cause autism. No news and of course won&#8217;t convince the flat earthers but still &#8211; another welcome addition to the ever growing canon of evidence against <span class="caps">MMR</span> causation.</p>

	<p><strong>Further Reading Elsewhere</strong><br />
<a href="http://actionforautism.co.uk/2008/09/04/mmr-and-autism-no-connection/">Mike at Action For Autism</a><br />
<a href="http://www.autismvox.com/mmr-vaccine-does-not-cause-autism-not-that-you-didnt-know-that-already/">Kristina at AutismVox</a><br />
<a href="http://www.blacktriangle.org/blog/?p=1833">Anthony at Black Triangle</a><br />
<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/09/yet_another_really_bad_day_for_antivacci_1.php">Orac at Respectful Insolence</a><br />
<a href="http://onedadsopinion.blogspot.com/2008/09/now-is-it-over.html">Steve at One Dad&#8217;s Opinion</a><br />
<a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/03/antivax-new-evidence-shows-again-no-link-to-autism/">Phil at Bad Astronomy</a></p>
 
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							It will be interesting to see the Thoughtful House response to this one.  I'm sure they (and likely others) are working on it as we speak.

I wonder if the good people at Generation Rescue will bring this study up in their meetings with government officials?  Likely most of the interested government people knew before the embargo was lifted (which by my watch is in one hour)
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							Thoughtful House and their kind will spin this every which way they can (believe me, unfortunately, I know them quite well). And this will not change the opinion of the already "enlightened". But hopefully it will help others who are on the fence make up their mind. Between this study, and Offit's book, and the French study, this will be a good week for *all* of our children.
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							Thanks for this Kev.  I've just skimmed the paper, but the statements are pretty definitive, particularly since they originate with one of prominent "mercury moms".  One has the impression that she has seen the light, and moved on from an initial, plausible hypothesis that many of us entertained at one time.  I'm going to send my personal congratulations to her. It's not easy to state so strongly that you were mistaken.
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							I heard an expert on sensory integration issues, a few years ago, suggest that these bowel problems were caused by stress. That made sense to me. I know I get nauseated, and get the runs, when I am under tremendous stress. Imagine the life of an autistic child. 

Of course, there's no money to be made in that arena, so the DAN/Thoughtful House dokterz would ignore that theory.
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							who will join "the dark side" next? ........
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		</div>	<p><a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/awarenessfig5.jpg" title="CDDS Clients vs. year for multiple birth cohorts"></a>OK, this one has been beaten to death. I am amazed that it still think that there is evidence of an &#8220;epidemic&#8221;. This is especially true of those who rely on the California Department of Developmental Services (CDDS) data. These data are so muddy as to be able to hide a real increase or a real decline.</p>

	<p>These data have severe limitations as noted before on this blog. They are not &#8220;epidemiological&#8221; data. They are not a census of those with autism in California. They are a count of who is getting services and this can and does vary dramatically over time and geography.</p>

	<p><a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/awarenessfig1.jpg" title="1984 Birth Cohort"><img width="156" src="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/awarenessfig1.thumbnail.jpg" alt="1984 Birth Cohort" height="157" /></a>That said, let&#8217;s take a look at how service rates change with time for a given birth cohort. (click to enlarge). [edit: this is the 1984 cohort] This is much as you would expect. Kids start being listed at age 3. The number increases year after year until a plateau is reached. This happens at about age 7 or 8. There is some slope to the curve: additional kids are being added to the roll even after 8 years old.</p>

	<p>This is very straitforward and expected. But, what happens over a longer time to this cohort? Click to enlarg<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/awarenessfig4.jpg" title="CDDS Autism Clients in 1986 and 1997 by birth year"></a>e this graph.<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/awarenessfig2.jpg" title="1984 Birth Cohort CDDS Data"><img width="161" src="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/awarenessfig2.thumbnail.jpg" alt="1984 Birth Cohort CDDS Data" height="161" /></a> Ignoring the obviously leading arrow and label for now, it is abundantly clear that something unexpected has happened. A second large increase in the number of clients is observed. Why would this happen? Well, one of the possible explanations is shown by the arrow. In 1997, the &#8220;epidemic&#8221; was declared. Autism awareness increased dramatically.&#160; One possibility is that the 1984 cohort was still in school where people might notice them and identifiy them. This cohort nearly doubled in numbers from 1997 to 2003.&#160;</p>

	<p>This brings up so many questions, many of which we just can&#8217;t answer with the data we have access to.</p>

	<p>It would be interesting to see if there was substitution. Were these kids (heck, teenagers) listed by <span class="caps">CDDS</span> under a different label?</p>

	<p>How did roughly half the kids in this cohort avoid detection? I think the new phrase is &#8220;it&#8217;s like missing a forrest fire&#8221;. Well, these forrest fires were&#160;blazing for 13 years before people started noticing them.</p>

	<p>Also, what happened to other cohorts? Well, for one thing, a similar jump in cohort size around 1997 is observed for birth years in the 1980&#8217;s and early 1990&#8217;s. It isn&#8217;t as clear or as consistent birthyear-to-birthyear as you go back in birthyears, but it is observable in some birth cohorts. One example where one can see this&#160;is the 1960 birth cohort, which increased about 15% around year 2000.</p>

	<p>That last paragrah wasn&#8217;t clearly written, I admit. But if you are thinking, &#8220;what? The <span class="caps">CDDS </span>&#8216;found&#8217; 15% more 40 year olds?&#8221; you read it right.<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/awarenessfig3.jpg" title="CDDS clients by year as listed in 1986 and 2007"><img width="165" src="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/awarenessfig3.thumbnail.jpg" alt="CDDS clients by year as listed in 1986 and 2007" height="159" /></a> This graph (click to enlarge) shows the number of <span class="caps">CDDS</span> autism clients as listed in 1986 and 2007 by birth year. The 1986 (in black) data are the same as <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=641">shown before</a>. The drop in the client count in the early 1980&#8217;s is an artifact: those kids weren&#8217;t identified yet in 1986. The 2007 client count (in red) show something very interesting, at least to me.</p>

	<p>There is an increase in autism clients for almost all the birth year groups. 40-year olds, 50 year-0lds, even older people were added to the client list as &#8220;autistic&#8221;. Again, we don&#8217;t know if or how these people were classified before the &#8220;epidemic&#8221;. They could have been (and likely were, in my opinion) clients listed in another category in 1986.</p>

	<p>Let&#8217;s take a look at the difference between these two curves. I included data for people with birthdays in the early 1980&#8217;s, but these are not reliable. Those people weren&#8217;t through the first round of identification by 1986.&#160;</p>

	<p><a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/awarenessfig4.jpg" title="CDDS Autism Clients in 1986 and 1997 by birth year"><img src="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/awarenessfig4.thumbnail.jpg" alt="CDDS Autism Clients in 1986 and 1997 by birth year" /></a>The graph shows the difference as a percentage increase. This allows us to see the older cohorts easier. At the same time, it allows people to accuse me of doctoring the data to make it seem like a bigger effect than it really is. That would be an obvious way to try to divert attention from the fact that the &#8220;epidemic&#8221; caused a roughly 40% increase in <span class="caps">CDDS</span> autism clients born in the 1960&#8217;s. For those clients born from 1940-1955, the increase was 70+/-28%.</p>

	<p>Think about that a second. Autism amongst <em>forty year old</em> people increased by 70% during &#8220;the epidemic&#8221; years.</p>

	<p>How can this be? How could <span class="caps">CDDS</span> have missed people with autism for forty or fifty years? Sure, some of these people may have moved into the state. Some of them may have been cared for by family and not been served by <span class="caps">CDDS</span>. The trends of these birth cohorts with time do not show the sharp rise in the late 1990&#8217;s as observed above for 1980&#8217;s cohorts.&#160; For me, this is suggestive that the those who could be identified in the school systems, were.</p>

	<p>Obviously there are a lot of open questions here.&#160; How and why these increases were observed is a big question.&#160; Why no one has seen fit to mention this before is another question.&#160; The <span class="caps">CDDS</span> did not create these data sets for me.&#160; Someone else has been paying for that for some time, according to Mr. Kirby&#8230;who also hasn&#8217;t mentioned this.</p>

	<p>People keep saying, &#8220;you can&#8217;t have a genetic epidemic&#8221;.&#160; Well, you can&#8217;t have an epidemic of a childhood onset &#8220;disease&#8221; in forty-year-olds either.</p>

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	<p>Edit:&#160;</p>

	<p><a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/awarenessfig5.jpg" title="CDDS Clients vs. year for multiple birth cohorts"><img src="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/awarenessfig5.thumbnail.jpg" alt="CDDS Clients vs. year for multiple birth cohorts" />&#160;</a>First, note that the birth cohort in the first figue above is from 1984.&#160; That is not clear.&#160; Second, here is a graph with multiple cohorts.&#160; Note that all the cohorts have an upswing in the client-numbers in the late 1990&#8217;s.&#160; Even the 1990 cohort does this.&#160; It does not appear to be based on age, but on calendar year.</p>
 
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							This shows why I used the 1986 data for this post:

<a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=641">What if you could prevent autism?</a>

The dip in the 1970's data is not as clear for the more recent dataset as the 1986 data used for that post.

Go ahead and call me "intellectually dishonest" for that if you see fit.  I don't think it is a problem, since I see the increase in the numbers for the 1970's cohorts to be due to the increased awareness of the 1990's.  I admit that it is rather circular logic.

Also, if you were to fit the data before and after the "bump" in the 50's and 60's to an exponential or other growth curve, you would see the "bump" is still there even in the 2007 dataset.

It would be good if someone with access to better (real) data could check on that.  I don't see it happening, though.
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							Sullivan,

I think you need to provide a bit more data to discredit a recent epidemic. 

If your hypothesis is correct that increased awareness around the epidemic declaration year of 1997 would mean that the increase should be visible in all the cohorts at the same time and not staggered based on age.  You didn't really provide us a graph of that data, so it's impossible to tell if that's true.

I don't think your third graph can give us any useful information unless it takes into account the demographic changes by age cohort in the area being studied.  Without that data, such a percentage calculation is meaningless and we can all guess whether the increase is due to population changes, or increased awareness.  The other thing to check is if they closed a state institution around some of those time periods. 

It also would have been helpful to use a different year from 1986, because then we could see data for multiple cohorts who were still in school when the epidemic was declared.
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							This may be neither here nor there, but I do know there are adult spectrumites receiving services via the _California Department of Rehabilitation_. Additionally, some whom I know of, received extensive services from the Dept of Rehab beginning when they were children. These would be many of the same services which ASD kids receive via the Regional Centers today.  I have often wondered if some clients transferred over from the CA Dept of Rehab, to the Reg. Ctrs. within the CDDS.
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							Schwartz,

I don't know if this is what you mean, but there is an increase visible in birth year cohorts 1984, 1985, 1986 and 1990 (and probably others.  Those are the ones I hae checked).  

The 1990 cohort didn't get a good initial plateau before the increase was observed in the late 1990s--as you would expect.  I haven't checked the others around then.  1980 and earlier don't show this sudden increase in the late 1990s (I checked every five years back to 1960).

Your comment on the "third" graph.  Do you mean the fourth?  It doesn't give any more information than the previous graph, just shows it in a different form.
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							FWIW the birth year cohort data as surveyed in 1986 would be more likely to tell us about real changes, because it probably doesn't have an increasing recognition confound.
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		<description><![CDATA[Every god-damn quarter, without fail. Every single one. The CDDS data gets released &#8211; Rick Rollens releases his usual &#8216;full syndrome&#8217; crapola and tells us how autism is still skyrocketing and does his best Chicken Little impression and David Kirby chews at the edges of the data to try and find something that will support [...]]]></description>
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		</div>	<p>Every god-damn quarter, without fail. Every single one. The <span class="caps">CDDS</span> data gets released &#8211; Rick Rollens releases his usual &#8216;full syndrome&#8217; crapola and tells us how autism is still skyrocketing and does his best Chicken Little impression and David Kirby chews at the edges of the data to try and find something that will support the idea that thiomersal plays any kind of role in autism.</p>

	<p>Its getting really, really old.</p>

	<p>Please let me say it to you one more time.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">CDDS</span> is not good source data for epidemiology. They say so themselves.</p>

	<p>When <span class="caps">CDDS</span> refer to &#8216;full syndrome autism&#8217; they are not, repeat, not referring to classical autism. See <a href="http://www.dds.ca.gov/FactsStats/pdf/DS3753_CDER.pdf">this form here</a>? <span class="caps">CDDS</span> use it to record autism. <strong>It was designed in the 1970&#8217;s. The version in use today was last updated in 1986.</strong> Don&#8217;t believe me? Ask them.</p>

	<p>Item 23 is where the term &#8216;full syndrome&#8217; is used. This term is today utterly without meaning. It is the only place to record autism at all.</p>

	<p>If we <a href="http://www.dds.ca.gov/FactsStats/pdf/CDER_manualBM.pdf">trun to this document</a> and go to page 71 we can see the section dealing with autism. In terms of <em>having</em> autism, a person either can, can&#8217;t or have autistic-like symptoms associated with mental retardation. Its not until page 77 that we get to any kind of recording of degree of severity. <strong>Note that this has no bearing on whether a person <em>has</em> autism</strong> . That is already indicated.</p>

	<p>Here is what <span class="caps">CDDS</span> passed on to me. I promised not to attribute this quote so I won&#8217;t but if anyone wants to double check then an email to <span class="caps">CDDS</span> would back me up:</p>

	<p><blockquote>The current <span class="caps">CDER</span> was written in 1978 and updated in 1986, which is why the language is so out of date ( e.g., Residual Autism). California has clinicians in the field who are, of course, using modern criteria in their assessments but then they have to go backwards and try to fit those kids into the 1986 <span class="caps">CDER</span>. So you are going to have Aspergers kids, <span class="caps">PDD</span>-NOS kids in both categories 1 and 2. Categories 1 and 2 are called &#8220;Autism.&#8221; But because there are so many clinicians, using lots of different techniques for evaluation, there is a lot of inconsistency and enrollment figures should not be misused as epidemiological data.</blockquote></p>

	<p>You might also be interested in a quote from Rita Eagle PhD of the California Dept. of Developmental Services (DDS) to Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, Vol. 34, No. 1, February 2004:</p>

	<p><blockquote>To many clinicians, it appears that more and more children who, in the past, would never have been referred to the regional centers&#226;&#8364;&#8220;for example, bright but anxious and slightly socially inept kids with average or better IQs and children who, in the past, had been or would have been diagnosed as <span class="caps">ADHD</span>, OCD, <span class="caps">ODD</span>, anxiety disorder, learning disabilities, psychotic, and so forth&#226;&#8364;&#8221;are now being diagnosed wit high-functioning autism and/or Asperger syndrome and referred to the regional centers for services.</blockquote></p>

	<p>I really don&#8217;t know how much clearer this information can possibly be. And yet we still have full syndrome arseholes like Rick Rollens sending out emails that contain:</p>

	<p><blockquote>As stated many times before in these Reports, the numbers being reported by <span class="caps">DDS</span> only reflect those children that have received a professional diagnosis of full syndrome <span class="caps">DSM IV</span> autism, and do not include those with any other autism spectrum disorder such as <span class="caps">PDD</span>, NOS, Asperger&#8217;s, <span class="caps">HFA</span>, Retts, etc</blockquote></p>

	<p>So Rick:</p>

	<p>a) Its impossible for a document/process written in 1978 and updated in 1986 to reflect the <span class="caps">DSM IV</span>.<br />
b) The numbers quite clearly <em>do</em> contain <span class="caps">PDD</span>-NOS, Aspergers Syndrome and Rett Syndrome.</p>

	<p>And hey, if <span class="caps">CDDS</span> data is good then how would <a href="http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/wp/?p=501">the following</a> be explained?</p>

	<p><blockquote>It&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s now 2005. Mercury started to be removed from vaccines roughly in 2001, we don&#226;&#8364;&#8482;t know exactly when as the <span class="caps">FDA</span> won&#226;&#8364;&#8482;t tell us, but kids entering the system now, four year olds for example in California entering the Dept of Developmental Services [CDDS] were born in 2001. So those kids theoretically get less mercury on average than kids born in 2000. So we should see fewer cases entering the system this year than we did last year.</blockquote> &#8211; David Kirby</p>

	<p><blockquote>if the total number of 3-5 year olds in the California <span class="caps">DDS</span> system has not declined by 2007, that would deal a severe blow to the autism-thimerosal hypothesis&#226;&#8364;&#166;.total cases among 3-5 year olds, not changes in the rate of increase is the right measure.</blockquote> &#8211; David Kirby</p>

	<p><blockquote>Late 2006 should be the first time that rates go down,&#226;&#8364; said Handley. &#226;&#8364;&#339;If they don&#226;&#8364;&#8482;t, our. hypothesis will need to be reexamined.</blockquote> &#8211; <span class="caps">JB </span>Handley</p>
 
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							This is a really nice, succinct post. I should point out that there a revised CDER will be used, but only in 2008.
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							He did get one thing sorta correct--the DDS doesn't distinguish the DSM-IV category of HFA....because there is none.  Yet, somehow Mr. Rollens includes those children who have "No MR"...what definition of "High Functioning" does Mr. Rollens use?

Mr. Rollens just led a small (but vocal) subset of California autism parents on an antivaccine crusade.  He rallied support to shoot down a proposed law, AB16.  He, however, appears to have done nothing on important special education laws that needed support.  If he did anything, it was way below the radar.

It's a weird symbiosis.  He needs the "epidemic" to keep his faction together.  This allows them to use anti-vaccine rhetoric to keep the notion of vaccine-induced-autism in the public eye.  This time they were able to jump on a bandwagon of religious groups and others who were afraid of Gardasil--the HPV (anti cervical cancer) vaccine.  This was a big deal, gathering support from all around the US, not just California.

I wonder about the future.  How many families with someone dying of cervical cancer will want to vote to keep support for the DDS and the "autism tsunami" at a reasonable level?

As to the mercury/vaccine BS, the goalposts just keep moving.  Now it is supposedly that vaccines with mercury didn't expire until 20XX,.  XX is always sometime that allows for "mercury induced autism" to keep growing.

I don't know whose pediatrician stocks 5-10 years worth of vaccine in his office.  Mine certainly doesn't.  When mercury was removed from vaccines, they were off his shelves in a year.  They weren't replaced by mercury containing vaccines from the supplier either.

Rollens is a lobbyist for the Regional Centers--the people who distribute the money for the CDDS.  Why doesn't he ever report on data that isn't publically available?  DDS will provide custom database searches (for a fee).  Why not look into the data with more detail?

Rollens is a polarizing agent in California.  Many parents see him as their "Caped Crusader" fighting the battles in Sacramento that they don't know how to attack.  Most parents don't even know who he is.  There are a sizable fraction who would like to see Mr. Rollens use his skills and contacts for something more real and more helpful than promoting a fake "epidemic" and a very misguided anti-vaccine campaign.

Matt
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							<blockquote>As stated many times before in these Reports, the numbers being reported by DDS only reflect those children that have received a professional diagnosis of full syndrome DSM IV autism, and do not include those with any other autism spectrum disorder such as PDD, NOS, Aspergerâ€™s, HFA, Retts, etc.</blockquote>

It's difficult to think that someone could write this and <em>believe</em> that they are correct. In the 3-5 year-old autism caseload cohort alone, the caseload is easily double what it should be if the caseload truly reflected actual autistic disorder (299.0), and nothing else.
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							Glad to have read this. I'll be passing it along to another group. 
Autism Epidemic Hysteria must end.
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							"Itâ€™s difficult to think that someone could write this and believe that they are correct. In the 3-5 year-old autism caseload cohort alone, the caseload is easily double what it should be if the caseload truly reflected actual autistic disorder (299.0), and nothing else."

Don't you think that Rollens would spin this into, "the epidemic is twice as big as we thought!"

Matt
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