Kathleen has written part one of a multi-part look at some of the recent actions of those purveyors of Lupron, the Geier’s.
Seems that a new study of theirs; ‘A Clinical and Laboratory Evaluation of Methionine Cycle-Transsulfuration and Androgen Pathway Markers in Children with Autistic Disorders’ was accepted for publication in Hormone Research and published online prior to being published traditionally.
The interesting bit is the claim of institutional affiliation to Department of Biochemistry, George Washington University, Washington, D.C., USA.
Intruiged, Kathleen contacted Dr. Allen Goldstein, Chairman of the GWU Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology to ascertain exactly what the Geier’s affiliation to GWU was. His reply was a bombshell and a further mark against the Geier’s honesty and reliability:
He described the affiliation with the Department of Biochemistry in the Hormone Research article as “fallacious,†and stated that it conveyed a “significant misrepresentation†of Mr. Geier’s position in the field of biochemistry.
I urge you to go and read the rest of Kathleen’s investigation into the Geier’s. Its a compulsive read.
As I understand it, this is _far_ from the end of the matter. There will be further parts to this ongoing issue. Keep an eye on the Neurodiversity weblog.
Left Brain Right Brain 
http://www.umbc.edu/biosci/Undergrad/ugbareq.html
explains why jr geier ended up with a ba instead of a bs in biology. the ba is not intended for people who want to go on to grad school in science, it’s for folks who want a second bachelors where the main interest is something like art and the student really wants to do medical illustration, or the student really wants to teach science to 12 year olds. david got the easiest “science” degree he could get, it would appear, and then dropped out of grad school because he couldn’t hack it.
tsk tsk tsk.
unwaxed: “explains why jr geier ended up with a ba instead of a bs in biology.”
Indeed it does explain it….
unwaxed: “the ba is not intended for people who want to go on to grad school in science, it’s for folks who want a second bachelors where the main interest is something like art and the student really wants to do medical illustration, or the student really wants to teach science to 12 year olds.”
Yes.
unwaxed: “david got the easiest “science†degree he could get, it would appear, and then dropped out of grad school because he couldn’t hack it.”
This is what it looks like, yeh.
unwaxed: “tsk tsk tsk.”
Indeed.
This is something something different, but it really made me feel quite sad.
http://www.autismspeaks.org/inthenews/senator_clinton_westfair.php
This is a video that shows Senator Clinton pledging support for autismspeaks.
The thing is, I liked the senator, thought that she’d make a good president one day soon.
God knows they need a more left-wing after all the stuff Bush has done.
But know I feel almost betrayed, it appears that Bush is now the lesser of two evils.
Atleast with the republicans, they wouldn’t want to actually spend the money, the Liberals however want to LOOK like they are doing something.
That means funding organisations with sad sounding manifestos.
David Geier is currently enrolled as a graduate student at GWU, despite not having taken any classes there over the last term. An editorial error at the publishers (not the Geiers fault) removed the words “graduate student” from the byline…which could be misleading.
This is much ado about nothing.
Erik, don’t be stupid.
He was described by the university as having no affiliation at all….
Who’s lying? Him? The University? Or you?
As Kathleen was told:
“Dr. Goldstein stated unequivocally that David Geier has never served on the faculty of the Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at GWU; that neither the ‘Institute for Chronic Illnesses’ or its Institutional Review Board (that is, the committee that approves and supervises research on human subjects) are in any way associated with GWU; and that none of the research described in the article was sponsored by GWU or conducted in the GWU laboratories. He described the affiliation with the Department of Biochemistry in the Hormone Research article as ‘fallacious,’ and stated that it conveyed a ‘significant misrepresentation’ of Mr. Geier’s position in the field of biochemistry.”
Erik,
Just contact GWU yourself. You could get your benefactors to fly you there and you could interview all the people who know what David Geier’s status as a student REALLY is. So David Geier can tell you what he’ll be doing in the fall or this summer for GWU and he can tell you the name of his thesis advisor, so you can ask the thesis advisor what’s up? Right? Yes, it should be easy. Does son Geier have his GWU email account? He should, if he’s still enrolled.
What will you do if you find out that David Geier is really lying to you? Make excuses and more excuses?
This is most certainly _not_ ‘much ado about nothing’.
This is not Kathleen, or me, or any other person you think of as ‘neurodiverse’ labelling Geier ‘fallacious’ or as ‘significantly misrepresenting’ themselves. This is the *Chairman of the GWU Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology* – the very place Geier is claiming affiliation to.
Are you suggesting he’s wrong or lying?
You people don’t listen. The Geiers listed “graduate student, department of biochemistry” (whatever the full byline originally was) in David’s byline. An editor at the publication made the mistake of removing “graduate student” from the byline… incorrectly implying that he’s on the staff and that the study had something to do with the university.
Dr. Goldstein was likely reacting to the mistaken byline, and Ms. Seidel’s representation of the situation. The study was not affiliated or conducted at the university and David is not on staff in the department. See what leaving two little words off a byline can do? Dr. Goldstein isn’t lying or wrong… but was given an incorrect picture and reacting to that. A mistake was made and is being corrected. The Geiers are in communication with the appropriate people to clear up the mistake.
Saying that he isn’t enrolled as a grad student there is the lie. Saying he had bad grades is also a lie.
And to the cowardly “Hey Zeus is my homeboy”: The mercury/testosterone sheets was just a theory that isn’t panning out. It was a model they hypothesized to account for an observed interaction between testosterone and mercury. They are synergistically TOXIC and occupy the same tissues, trapping each other in the body… until some chelating agent is administered… or until abnormally high testosterone is treated. While the molecular nature of the interaction may not be fully understood in the body… the biochemistry has pointed to some final common pathways that is being illuminated by lab testing.
I am not experimenting on my child. She has a diagnosed medical condition (high testosterone…enough to put a boy her age in early puberty… but NO estrogen whatsoever) She also has high levels of heavy metals…and low glutathione) that is being successfully treated with an FDA approved drug (Lupron… for treating high testosterone) by Dr. Mark Geier. Everything is improving… my daughter’s gut is healing (after five long years of diarrhea), her mineral profiles are improving faster than ever and the ‘fog’ of autism is lifting from her brain. Her cognitive abilities and skills have exploded in the two and a half months we’ve been treating her high testosterone. And she surprises us every day.
We have tried EVERY known treatment for her medical problems…and while improvements came as a result… there was something in her body chemistry confounding the efforts. And now we know what it was. And now we finally have hope that she can have some level of recovery after five years of remaining at the developmental stage of 18 months!!!
So do I give all that up because of some ignorant & fearful bloggers?
No.
Have a splendid day.
And who’s telling you it was an editing error exactly? The editor concerned? Or David Geier?
From Kathleen’s piece,
_”Dr. Goldstein stated that David Geier enrolled in GWU’s graduate biochemistry program in 2003…According to Dr. Goldstein, Mr. Geier took two courses in biochemistry during the 2003-2004 school year and none thereafter; he took the last of three public health courses during the Spring 2005 semester.”_
And there’s more:
_”Two and a half weeks after its electronic publication, after the editors of Hormone Research learned about the erroneous affiliation, Mark and David Geier’s article was removed from the electronic version of the issue of the journal.”_
So you apparently believe that this ‘editing error’ remained unspotted by professional editors and also by the two authors? I’ll be writing to the editor myself I think.
As for your experimentation – that’s exactly what you’re doing. When you fill in the insurance forms do you write down ‘high testosterone’ or ‘precocious puberty’?
If its PP, then did the Geiers diagnose PPP or CPP? The only way to confirm a PP diagnosis is via a radiograph of the hand/wrist. Did the Geiers do that? If your daughter’s actually being treated for high testsosterone then you should know that the recommended course of action is _not_ Lupron but would appear to be estrogen replacement therapy:
_”Low estrogens allow the circulating androgens and testosterone to be more freely available and thus stimulate cells more. Increasing the circulating estrogen in the blood by taking estrogens will increase the proteins that bind the androgens and help decrease the effects of all androgens, whether the levels are normal or excessive.”_
Diagnose-Me.
E.R.I.K.: The mercury/testosterone sheets was just a theory that isn’t panning out.
Isn’t panning out??? It was never put forward as a theory or an hypothesis. It was stated as a certainty of fact.
Let me spell it out for you. It isn’t panning out because it was a complete fabrication like so many other facts put forward by the Geiers. Call it misrepresentation, omission, a theory that isn’t panning out, anything you like.
It aint the truth and when a person says things they know are not the truth there is a word for that. L.Y.I.N.G.
F.A.I.R. Medium is a vehicle for theories that aren’t panning out. Lots of them and that means you are part of the misrepresentation whether you realize it or not.
Erik:
Most of us here are neither “fearful” nor “ignorant”. Some of us have been in this much longer than you; some of us used biomed (seems like a different era now). Why don’t you, please, take pause: Make an appt with a pediatric endo and see how to titrate down the Lupron and phase it out for now. The Geiers are not the first to get parents to do their bidding and defending. This is actually a common tactic of some of these people (I know one only too well, btw), of having their patients defend them on various on-line forums — with whatever tale the said “health-care provider” tells them; it removes their liability when others … carry their water for them. Let the Geiers speak for themselves — publicly. No reason they can’t have a site and post their position themselves. In the meantime, please really do make an appt with a ped endo.
mcguffin: “In the meantime, please really do make an appt with a ped endo.”
He’s never going to do that in a million years. This is Erik Nanstiel you’re taking to… he never listens to anybody here… he has too much invested in his (albeit extremely errant) notions… even if he did it, which he won’t, he’ll be unhappy with the result, tell all that it was just the sort of crap he’d expected when it shoots his ideas into the ground.
They haven’t deceived me, now here’s a surprise
I know it’s the truth ‘cuz there’s kindness in their eyes
I won’t believe the Geiers have lied and lied and lied and lied
Oh noooo..
If you think I could film all the little clips I play
I always believe all the BS or was it a BA?
Well, here’s an interview
If that isn’t proof
Watch the video file
and see how they smile
I won’t believe the Geiers have lied
I won’t believe the Geiers have lied
I won’t believe the Geiers have lied and lied and lied and lied
Oh no
You took advantage of my trust in doctors and the FDA
My videos are gonna show them they will have to pay
But you still taunt me
Why can’t you see
But they gotta stand trial
I’m choking on bile
I don’t believe the Geiers have lied
I can’t believe the Geiers have lied
I won’t believe the Geiers have lied and lied and lied and lied
Oh no
I’ve always believed them, now here’s a surprise
I know that I can ’cause there’s DNA on his tie
I won’t believe the Geiers have lied and lied and lied and lied
Oh yeah
Testosterone and thimerosal may not form those sheets
In equal parts when mixed together with hot benzene
Well, here’s a poke at Sue
Autistic Danish too
and for the Rankin file
Injecting cents and lies
I can see the Geiers have lied
Expert witness briefs they file
I can see the Geiers have lied and lied and lied and lied
I can see the Geiers have lied
we all can see the Geiers have lied
I can see the Geiers have lied
I can see the Geiers have lied…..
Erik Nanstiel: “Saying that he isn’t enrolled as a grad student there is the lie. Saying he had bad grades is also a lie.”
Um… so is saying that mercury poisoning and autism are the same thing…. when the evidence is pretty unequivocally to the contrary.
heh…. nice take on the old Who song!
🙂
Man, it must hurt to be Erik.
I hope he does like McGuffin says and takes his girl to a real doctor to follow up on the damage that the Lupron… goooood grief.. he’s giving her tons of the stuff, daily injections, now isn’t it? Poor little thing.
Someone mentioned it’s time to retract the Geier files, where pappa announces that he must be in line for a Nobel prize or something because they have discovered this great thing, testosterone sheets, hyup, that’s the ticket, testosterone sheets…
Good thing not too many people watch his stinking dangerously misleading advertisements for quackery.
Pappa says, regarding his discovery of testosterone sheets: “It’s a whole new biological mechanism.”
and a minute or so later he says using Lupron which seems to raise the test levels of testosterone in the kids while dropping “FSH and FSHLH” a “new phenomenon that had never been observered.”
There’s no “hypothesis” or “theory” discussed there.
He talks about precocious puberty, too, but now they call it something else.
You people don’t listen. The Geiers listed “graduate student, department of biochemistry†(whatever the full byline originally was) in David’s byline.
And why the heck did they list this irrelevant affiliaton in a study that had nothing to do with GWU? Can you find a precedent in Hormone Research were something like this was done? There’s a reason why the paper was completely removed. Over an error they would simply publish errata.
“Saying that he isn’t enrolled as a grad student there is the lie.”
Did anyone actually say this? I believe he’s enrolled, but had taken only a few courses a while back.
“Saying he had bad grades is also a lie.â€
I can’t comment either way. Have you confirmed this is a lie?
Can you be “enrolled” at a Uni without taking any classes?
The whole byline is a lie and if the work wasn’t done at GWU where was it done?
in the basement of the million dollar home?
Boy, this is some strange shit going on. Sure would like to know who is on that IRB with the Silver Spring address.