In what is becoming a very uneasy chain of events, yet another disabled child, WIlliam H Lash IV, has died at the hands of a parent:
A former Bush administration official, after arguing violently with his wife Thursday night, shot and killed his 12-year-old son inside their McLean home, then turned a shotgun on himself and committed suicide, Fairfax County police said.
This follows the murder of Ryan Davies (aged 12) at the hands of his mum, Alison Davies in April this year, the murder of Katie McCarron in May, the attempted (thankfully unsuccessful) murder of Lexus Fuller, the murder of Christopher Degroot in May this year and countless others over time.
Every time the mind attempts to adjust to the shocking reality of another murder it seems like another one emerges.
Friends and neighbors described Lash as devoted to his only child, William H. Lash IV, who was autistic.
Sounds familiar, right? Exactly the same sentiments expressed as those expressed by friends of all the above victim’s parents. Devoted. Selfless.
He loved his son so much. He really loved his son . . . and he did everything for him
This is such a difficult thing to comprehend. Can it _truly_ be that there are levels of love where murdering the target of that love is acceptable? And that that love can be used as an excuse or a vindication? Why do we always hear more about the killer than the victim? To be brutally frank, William H Lash III is a murdering scumbag. I don’t care about his CV. Why can’t we hear about his child?
Yet again, we come around to ‘that video‘. That video where a mum talks about killing her disabled child whilst that child is in the room with her, taking it all in. As Mike McCarron, Katie’s grandad says:
I found the film offensive, an exercise in narcissism. It paints the picture that at least one of these children would be better off dead. I deeply resent that
Incredible as it may seem, Autism Diva found a comment in reaction to the petition I set up stating:
Wow, I actually think this is disrespectful to the makers of the movie.
What can one _say_ in response to such arrant ego? We’re talking about a film that attempts to put a face on acceptable murder of children. An attitude about which the film’s Producer says:
If most mothers of autistic children…..look hard enough within themselves they will find that they have played out a similar scenario in their minds.
And here’s someone who thinks the petition is disrespectful. I guess what that mother was talking about in front of her autistic child wasn’t disrespectful at all. Amazing.
People have tried to make ‘the best’ out of these situations and try and highlight the lack of services or the struggles parents face. These things are both true. It is a struggle parenting a disabled child. Its damned hard. There is an appalling lack of service in a wide range of areas. However, we cannot and should not (in my opinion) use the murders of children to highlight these points. This detracts from the horrifying reality of what was done to these children and also serves as a backhanded excuse to their murdering parents – they never would’ve done it if there were more services. That can never ever be used as an explanation for a murderous act. That’s the ‘take home’ message from ‘Autism Every Day’ and I reject it utterly.
Please remember William. A twelve year old boy first and foremost. I have a fourteen year old son and much as he hates it, I’ll be giving him a big hug. He’ll be going fishing soon. In a week he breaks up for summer and he’ll be off with his mates, playing footy, bike riding, fishing. William won’t. We have to find a way of utterly rejecting the idea of murdering disabled children as in any way acceptable, understandable or an act of compassion. It’s not.
Left Brain Right Brain 
“Brad’s study would be interesting, no doubt about it, but it wouldn’t mean a fart in a high wind. Nothing new there though right? ;o)”
To those of us who are actually interested in the discussion of whether or not vaccinated children have a higher incidence of autism vs. non-vaccinated children, then of course, the study would be a step in that direction (one way or the other). To those who don’t give a shit and want to just pretend that it’s all genetics then yes, I guess it wouldn’t mean a fart in a high wind… I know where I stand, not sure about you. You seem to be more of a farter.
_”To those who don’t give a shit and want to just pretend that it’s all genetics then yes, I guess it wouldn’t mean a fart in a high wind”_
Who are these people who believe its all genetics? I don’t.
But back to Brad’s Big Idea. Why are you abandoning data that gives you a definite relationship between thiomersal and autism in favour of data that won’t?
I still wish Brad would confirm that he’ll report the findings whatever they are.
I’m not sure he can make the numbers either. Is it 2% of kids who are unvaccinated? But what age? If 90% of unvaccinated kids are, say, under 3, then the study is totally unfeasible.
Why are you abandoning data that gives you a definite relationship between thiomersal and autism in favour of data that won’t?
Isn’t it obvious? Sue is anti-vax. She wishes something in vaccines causes autism. She couldn’t care less if it’s thimerosal or aluminum or whatever. I’m not even sure Sue is personally connected to the autism world in any way.
SueM-the-terminally-stupid-cow: “To those who don’t give a shit and want to just pretend that it’s all genetics then yes, I guess it wouldn’t mean a fart in a high wind… I know where I stand, not sure about you. You seem to be more of a farter.”
Looks to me like she’s still trying to shit higher than her arse. Always wondered why the air went rancid every thing she turned up here.
Joseph: “I’m not even sure Sue is personally connected to the autism world in any way.”
She’s not.
She has mentioned her involvement before (other parts of Kev’s blog) and tried to justify sticking her rancid-smelling arse into this whole issue, but she is incapable of ‘getting it’ that she has bugger all connection to the autism world.
She’s just a trouble-causer, and we have gotten used to that: we expect nothing else from a woman who owes points to a WAIS!
An example of SueM’s ‘intellectual’ prowess: “To those who don’t give a shit and want to just pretend that it’s all genetics…”
As Kev pointed out himself … he doesn’t think that the basis of autistic states is entirely genetic. My ex is a biologist (geneticist)-turned-psychologist, and she knows the power of a gene by itself (basically, bugger all… a gene is not an active thing); for a gene to have an effect, there has to be something in that gene’s environment. Autistic states may have genetic components (and some of these have been found, along with neurobiological correlates: MsC has talked of some of these), but nobody but an idiot would believe it was all genetic, with sod all input from elsewhere.
In the model I use (based on Lewin’s model: *B*=f(*P*,*E*) … behaviour being a function of the interaction between person variables and environment variables), there’s room for psychological influences as well as biological ones… including but not limited to genetic influences. Not that SueM, with her “… to just pretend that it’s all genetics …” straw man retort (not much of a retort, but one has to be patient with people who have negative going raw scores on a WAIS) … well, she has no real clue how to make a point. She has no point to make. Just trouble. She’s too stupid to be up for anything else.
That’s SueM explained rather well, I think. Now I’m going to go and have a shit. And here’s the trick, SueM… when you’re shitting… *point your arse down*!
About the “all genetics” comment, nothing about humans is “all genetics”, not even straight forward physical characteristics such as stature or eye color. Environmental influence in autism is likely very complex, random and nuanced, happening from conception, and probably includes psychogenic influence (which is taboo to talk about). Most biomed parents wish autism is simply a genetic predisposition plus a single environmental trigger with a reversible effect. I don’t expect reality to be this simple.
“Who are these people who believe its all genetics? I don’t.”
That’s good, because that would be completely ignorant of you. I’m not sure why you are so intent about NOT studying potential environmental triggers such as thimerosal or vaccines in general.
“But back to Brad’s Big Idea. Why are you abandoning data that gives you a definite relationship between thiomersal and autism in favour of data that won’t”?
Where am I abandoning that? Get your facts together.
“It would be easier to find all the parents who were scared out of vaccines or otherwise haven’t vaccinated a subsequent child and look at how many of them are autistic”.
That idea has been tossed around. I think it could be good. You guys also have the likes of No Mercury on your side so don’t be afraid of the study. It could work out just fine for you. When is No Mercury vaccinating his younger child anyway? What’s the delay? How about Kev? He has a younger child besides his daughter. Possibly she could shed some light– as long as she has had all of her vaccines on time (although luckily for her most likely they were thimerosal-free).
For me, I would love to be a part of the study… but I suppose I can’t. My son was only formally diagnosed with “sensory integration disorder” not autism. Also, sadly my youngest son did have some of his newborn shots up until 4 months (along with Rhogam and flu shot during pregnancy). Of course my baby is BY FAR the healthiest of all my kids. Just anectdotal of course.
To anyone doing the vaccinated vs. unvaccinated child study … I hope that they will include or ask the question about the mother having RhoGam and/or flu shots during pregnancy. Very important question, in my opinion.
“Looks to me like she’s still trying to shit higher than her arse. Always wondered why the air went rancid every thing she turned up here”.
At least something happens around here when you guys are forced to listen to common sense from “us”. Like a morgue here without us. What the fascination with arses and balls?
SueM, most likely: “At least something happens around here when you guys are forced to listen to *common sense* from ‘us’.”
Common sense?
You are joking, right?
I’d hate to think what the world would be like if you weren’t.
SueM: “Get your facts together.”
We do. Your ignorance of them is no excuse for your underlying stupidity.
SueM: “Like a morgue here without us.”
Er… no. It’s possible to have a sensible discussion when tosspots like yourself aren’t here to try and muddy the water… which is all you can do since you have no science on your side!
Pathetic, really…
_”That’s good, because that would be completely ignorant of you.”_
Yes, it would. I’d venture that anyone who thinks there is a sole cause for autism is a bit of a simpleton. What do you think Sue?
_”I’m not sure why you are so intent about NOT studying potential environmental triggers such as thimerosal or vaccines in general.”_
Sorry, you’ve lost me – where did I say that?
_”Where am I abandoning that? Get your facts together.”_
Sorry, I just got that impression from your attempted wriggling out the issue i.e. : _”You would have to ask those who normally do the numbers.”_
So, lets be clear – straight answer Sue – do you believe CDDS data is good for discerning a relationship between thiomersal and autism or not?
Oh and Sue? Pick a name to post under and stick to it.
Hello everyone, first time poster but have been lurken here for a while now.
Now over to sue, our dear rabid forum jester…
“At least something happens around here when you guys are forced to listen to common sense from “usâ€. Like a morgue here without us. What the fascination with arses and balls?”
Sue Sue Sue…why do you do this to yourself…really why? I mean how can anyone take you seriously when your other posts usernames in this thread are this:
“Kev is stinky”
“Kev is a moron”
hmmm…obviously ‘common sense’ isn’t one of your strong points…
So now say it with me sue:
*My name is sue and I am a forum/thread troll*
Now say it again with these few new additions…
*My name is sue and I am a forum troll. Also am a narcissist, stalking the forums/threads for my narcissistic supply*
There wasn’t so hard was it?
Good girl, now go tuck yourself in.
It was such a very nice break for a while; do we really have to do this again?
Sue’s on a trial. If she carries on like this, then ‘no’. You’re right, it was great not having to wade through crap like this.
I love it when you guys get so riled up!
Keep up the good work of continuing to poison babies.
Lisa, keep writing those letters to keep poison in vaccines. What a bunch of nitwits… No offense to the small handful of you who actually have some common sense.
I don’t think it’s about getting “so riled up” — more like being tediously bored.
“I love it when you guys get so riled up!”
My dear forum jester.
I don’t see anyone getting riled up here,well except yourself of course. Why else would you be putting inflammatory posts all the time?
Its obvious what everyones saying is getting to you. Why else would you be continually replying to a forum where nobody likes you?
Heck why do you even go to this site which has very different opinions than you?
Oh wait you’re a troll that’s why. A nobody who has no life. 🙂
RW (about SueM): “A nobody who has no life. :)”
And who can’t give good head 😛
I guess Brad will think twice before crying for help from the biomed parents again. Brad’s no different than Sue. Get Brad mad and he gets really ugly. He’s much like those Spielberg Gremlin’s when you get them wet. Only they didn’t threaten to sue people.
Brad, did David Ickes and John Scudamore get upset to find out about your ties to the CIA? Did the CIA have a Stanford scholarship for worthy sons of spooks? Was daddy a spy in Japan?
David N: “And who can’t give good head :P”
XD
“Did the CIA have a Stanford scholarship for worthy sons of spooks?”
Good question because it’s curious that a man who was high-ranking enough in the CIA to know all of the top-secret secrets was unable to afford to send his son to school.
Good question because it’s curious that a man who was high-ranking enough in the CIA to know all of the top-secret secrets was unable to afford to send his son to school.
To be fair, government jobs don’t pay all that great.
WP(etc)…. “Maybe he lived in a trailer in East Palo Alto ”
That would explain stuff, wouldn’t it?!