I was recently sent the following link (thank you JNB ;o) ) which announces the creation of the ‘Cutler Hawking Project’. At first I suspected the formation of some soft rock combo but a quick glance at the site in question soon alleviated my doubts.
The majority of people need very strong evidence before they start believing in non-mainstream treatments, and this is the reason why we decided to contact Stephen Hawking to convince him to try Andy Cutler’s chelation protocol – so he can serve as an example. Confining him to a wheelchair since his mid 20’s, Mr. Hawking is a brilliant and famous English physicist who is suffering tragically from Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, a disease caused by chronic mercury poisoning. Now 63, he can only speak with the help of a computer voice synthesizer.
Oh, it gets better.
The reason why we selected Mr. Hawking is because of his very unique situation. If we convince a man of his mega-stature in the scientific community to try Andy Cutler’s protocol and he subsequently recovers from such debility, that would convince even the biggest of skeptics. Because Mr. Hawking has been confined to a wheelchair for such a long time, and since he is so famous, no doctor could come up with another reasonable excuse for his recovery, and no doctor could write it off as a faked illness, as it would be too obvious that the mercury amalgam & vaccine issue is real and that Andy Cutler’s mercury chelation protocol really works. Mr. Hawking would be living proof! There is no other person in the world that could make a stronger case! It makes a dynamic difference when you see a celebrity talk about a certain treatment, and see that person get out of the wheelchair after 35 years and walk again, and we believe that news channels would report on this “miracle” worldwide!
OK, so here’s a group of people who believe first and foremost that a whole range of things are caused by mercury poisoning – autism, bad backs, and apparently Motor Neurone Disease has now joined that elite group. Lucky lucky Professor Hawking. Why lucky? Because chelation will cure him!!! Yay!!!!!
Except…neither Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, nor indeed any other forum of neurone disease is caused by mercury poisoning. The official line is:
The cause of ALS is not known, and scientists do not yet know why ALS strikes some people and not others…in searching for the cause of ALS, researchers have also studied environmental factors such as exposure to toxic or infectious agents. Other research has examined the possible role of dietary deficiency or trauma. However, as of yet, there is insufficient evidence to implicate these factors as causes of ALS…Future research may show that many factors, including a genetic predisposition, are involved in the development of ALS.
Sounds strangely familiar doesn’t it?
And so we’re presented with the mental picture of some fairly odd people attempting to bother a sick old man just so they can try and persuade him to undergo some therapy. Nice.
And yet, it’s still not as bad as another treatment I heard about. Apparently Dr Rashid Buttar, adored by mercury boys and girls all over the world, the man who can cure cancer and reverse old age as well as cure autism with skin cream recommends another intriguing treatment for young kids – and this time, he’s not confining it to autistic kids: oh no, this ones good for _everyone_ :
Have any of your tried, or even heard anything about, doing urine shots to help the immune system? I don’t know much about it yet, but I know you use your child’s own urine, and filter it with special filters, before injecting it into their hip. I’ve heard really good things about it from a friend who tried it.
No, its not a joke. The answers came thick and fast:
I only know this was described to me to be a procedure used by Dr. Buttar about a year ago when my son was his patient, but the nurse said it would require an extended stay near the clinic and we live in Texas. We never tried it and moved on to another doctor.
I’ll bet you did Leslie.
This was recommended by Dr. Buttar’s office for my NT son who has tons of allergies. I believe Dr. Imam in NY does it. It sounded too “out there” for us so we are currently sticking with justchelation for him.
Yeah, just chelation. That’s not ‘out there’ at all.
My grandson went through this beginning in October. It was a once a week treatment for 10 weeks. Before he began, he had lots of allergy problems that would often advance into sinus infection and ear infections. It’s almost April and he has not had one problem since. The only thing that I see is an occasional stuffy nose that lasts only a very short time.
Just in case you think you read it wrong, you didn’t. Rashid Buttar and others recommend taking some of the childs urine, filtering it and then injecting it back into them. This is apparently good for the immune system. Yummy.
Left Brain Right Brain 
I wasn’t aware that Hawking’s condition was caused by mercury poisoning.
These people will do anything!
The scariest thing I think, is their sincerity. Please let me know when it’s safe to go outside again.
That ain’t just any old invocation of God’s wrath and mercy; it’s what judges say to defendants who are condemned to death.
Did ALS show up around the same time as Kanner first described autism? I mean was it also an invention of Eli Lily?
Of course if Hawkings doesn’t take them up on the offer it’s because he’s too mercury toxic to think straight. Either that or he’s part of the conspiracy.
I wonder why they didn’t offer to chelate Bill Gates?
Did ALS show up around the same time as Kanner first described autism? I mean was it also an invention of Eli Lily?
ALS was apparently first described in the 1860s. Alzheimer’s, another alleged misdiagnosis for mercury poisoning, was first described in 1906. I’m sure heart disease has been around for a very long time.
I wonder if Stephen Hawkin knows about this project!!!!
I just e-mailed him to let him know. If I hear anything, I’ll let you know.
I actually had to laugh out loud about this one. So, is everything bad caused by mercury?
I can just picture Prof. Hawking stepping out of his wheelchair, throwing his voice machine aside and shouting, “I can walk! Hallelujah, I can walk! And I can speak! Praise Chelation, I can speak!”
The mercury militia are showing all the signs of trying to turn themselves into a religion
I’ve thought that for a very long time.
Just waiting for the movement’s evangelists to show up here and explain all about Stephen Hawking and how he can be miraculously cured and we should all be ashamed of ourselves for our lack of faith.
This post really hits it on the head. Mercury is blamed for all kinds of mental illness for hundreds of years. We always need to blame the extrinsic instead of possibly, in some cases, accepting that many things are unique and intrinisic.
Actually, ALS involves abnormalities in glutamate signaling. Indeed, the only FDA-approved drug for the treatment of ALS (and the only drug known to slow its progression and delay death) is Riluzole. Its mechanism of action is blocking glutamate activity in the central nervous system.
Why doesn’t Dr Buttar get his patients to try the ancient Ayurvedic health practiceof urine-drinking?
Maybe it’s because anybody can drink their own urine, for free, without paying Buttar to filter it and inject it?
Gosh, I’m soooo cynical. Obviously, I’m mercury-posioned.
ALS was invented by baseball player Lou Gehrig. And Eli-Lilly, but that goes without saying. Where are the mercury-hypothesis apologists? Sue M. must still be on that airplane soaking up the rads. Wade Rankin? Erik Nanstiel? Kevin Champagne? John Gilmore? Sallie B.? You guys givin’ your kids urine injections? Filtered urine, obviously. Have you tried the Bradstreet patented exorcism protocol? How was Professor Hawking able to think so well if mercury was “rotting his brain”? Has anyone thought about getting Buttar to take one of his own coffee enemas?
Please note that I am in no way associated with, a sponsor of, nor someone who endorses this project.
Andy Cutler
Andrew Cutler,
What do you think of Buttar’s urine injections? You’re not too keen on the Lupron protocol are you? Erik Nanstiel thinks it’s great, he keeps talking about how it’s lowering his daughter’s sheets of testosterone, but non mentioning how it’s supposed to lower her estrogen, too. Bone density problems coming up?
_”Please note that I am in no way associated with, a sponsor of, nor someone who endorses this project.”_
Yeah, that’s spelled out pretty explicitly on the website. However, there’s no getting away from the fact that this project uses your name. Maybe you should suggest to your listmates that they should think of another name.
Think of how famous Andy Cutler would be if the Hawking-Cutler project worked out. He’d be as famous as , oh, lemme think, . . .
Professor Hawking!
Even as famous as Jeff Bradstreet or Rashid Buttar! “Andy’s Counting Rules” would be on everyone’s lips, and amalgams would be out of everyone’s teeth. But best of all, no more disease anywhere.
Andrew Cutler : Please note that I am in no way associated with, a sponsor of, nor someone who endorses this project.
Yes, Andy has no problem offering medical advice without a medical degree or license, instructing parents on ways to give synthetic chemicals to autistic children, but offering to chelate Stephen Hawking? That’s just unethical.
I wonder how Ingri feels about the idea…..
Mr Cutler, you may be in no way associated with this attempt to poison Stephen Hawking, but your website lists:
ALS
Asthma
ADHD
Addison’s disease, hypothyroidism, infertility, and generic “endocrine disorders” (forgot diabetes and hypopituitarism in there, sir)
Lupus, myasthenia gravis, rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile arthritis, Crohn’s, and generic “autoimmune disorders”
Bipolar AND manic depression (what’s the difference?)
Anxiety, OCD, and panic (awful close for seperate listings, too)
Psychosis AND schizophrenia
PDDs
Borderline personality disorder (KNOWN to be caused by momma and daddy)
colitis, gastritis, and IBS (in case they aren’t similar enough)
Anorexia and Bulemia
Depression
Chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, environmental illness, allergies, and food allergies
Sciatica (caused by, like, damage to the sciatic nerve)
Parkinson’s
“Yeast syndrome” and candidaisis
Among things I probably forgot, ALL as caused by mercury.
Lots of redundancy, and yet…practiccally everything that can go wrong in the human body is caused by mercury?
That’s a sign of quackery you know. Saying THIS ONE THING is the cause or cure of everything under the sun.
So, in a way, you are associated. Because you convinced these mothers on a mission for hysteria that you had THE ANSWER for their autistic kids, and linked the supposed cause of autism to a conjectured cause of ALS.
“I’m not associated” sounds like CYA to me. Though you might want to avoid the need for your A to be C’d by not practicing medicine without a license.
Food for thought.
Gosh, I’m soooo cynical. Obviously, I’m mercury-posioned.
Yes, cyncism and “lack of faith” (also known as “failure to believe”) are signs of mercury poisoning, too.
Dr. Andy forgot cellulite, acne, halitosis and baldness. His counting rules and ALA cures them, too. Surely he claims to cure MS? Everyone claims to cure MS. Just buy his books, ok?
Oooh, mercury causes MS too? I heard that testosterone protects against MS and that may be one of the reasons why more women are affected.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=health&id=4058299
Quote: “Erik Nanstiel thinks it’s great, he keeps talking about how it’s lowering his daughter’s sheets of testosterone, but non mentioning how it’s supposed to lower her estrogen, too. ”
We know that Lupron lowers estrogen. But since my daughter had NO DETECTABLE levels of estrogen in her… it is of lesser concern. Treating her high testosterone and high mercury levels is a bigger concern.
My daughter was tested with enough testosterone to put a boy her age into early puberty.
but of course, since she’s autistic, the lot of you want to ignore all that as a celebration of neuro-diversity!
What a crock!
Never heard of this urine stuff you’re talking about. That’s not a protocol used in the DAN movement. Lacking further information, it sounds gross.
But Lupron is beginning to turn heads. My daughter has made more progress this last month since we started the Geiers protocol than she’s had with any other biomedical intervention.
My early prediction is that the results will warrant further research and begin to be practiced by more and more DAN doctors… but I think they’ll want to see the results of the Geiers study when it’s finished. So far it’s looking really good.
Then homeopathic doses of lupron should raise the testosterone and cure MS? How about homeopathic thimerosal? I heard it cures autism, just like, overnight! If I could get my hands on one of those bottles of thimerosal I could cure the world of autism. Several times over.
Wow, Lupron has some really scary sounding side effects:
Side effects that have been associated with the use of Lupron Depot include hot flashes and/or night sweats in more than five percent of women; and palpitations, syncope, and tachycardia in less than five percent of the women who participated in clinical trials. Other side effects include generalized pain, headaches, vaginitis, nausea/vomiting, fluid retention, weight gain, acne, hirsutism, joint pain, decreased libido, depression, dizziness, nervousness, and breast changes that include tenderness and pain, among others. There have been no deaths directly related to therapy with Lupron Depot.
Mind you, that’s in adult women. I’m sure there are no studies on what the stuff will do (especially long term) to small children. At least it’s not known to be fatal (but then, neither was chelation).
E-R-I-K N,
You know about the order of magnitude error made by Dr. Geier, right? Just checking.
Don’t you think it’s a little weird that you daughter has no estrogen, and that it’s ok to wipe it out entirely with Lupron.
Have you checked out the Lupron Victims groups yet?
I heard that some DAN! doctors at the recent D.C. DAN! conference actively discouraged parents from trying Lupron. Maybe the know something you don’t?
So the Geiers went to an IRB and got approval to do this experimentation on non-existent sheets of testosterone? You know about the boiling
“Never mind that the Geiers based their concept of “testosterone sheets” on a paper from 1968 looking at the crystal structure of testosterone and mercuric chloride derived from crystals made by boiling equimolar amounts of testosterone and mercuric chloride in hot benzene…” – Prometheus
Your daughter doesn’t hve boiling benzene in her veins right? I didn’t think so. But even though the Geiers are so out in left field about their “testosterone sheets” you will expose your daughter to Lupron at their direction. You never worry about making your daughter a guinea pig for quacks, do you?
I bet Buttar could help you to understand the great benefits of urine injections. You could do an interview of him on video for us, ok?
Kassiane said ““I’m not associated†sounds like CYA to me. Though you might want to avoid the need for your A to be C’d by not practicing medicine without a license.”
Exactly… Andrew Cutler, Proffessional _Engineer_… the blood of Abubakar Tariq Nadama is on your hands.
Do not try to deny it.
Promoting any kind of mercury poisoning with a cure of “chelating” that is counter to reality is what makes you a party to murder…
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5508a3.htm
It is the “little bit of knowledge is dangerous” spin that you use without the full understanding of biochemistry that leads you into getting people to pump various chemicals into themselves. You may be sincere, but you are very much out of the bounds of your training. Whatever “research” you do has been filtered through your own prejudices:
http://www.ssr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?1:mss:91554:200410:dflejpiidbdpophfocgp
Deal with it… all the blood from chelation disasters are on your hands.
_”My daughter was tested with enough testosterone to put a boy her age into early puberty. but of course, since she’s autistic, the lot of you want to ignore all that as a celebration of neuro-diversity!”_
Not at all Erik. Its my belief that you’re either too stupid to see past someone scamming you or you’re lying.
You told me once that chelation should ‘cure’ a child within 18 months. Now you seem to be admitting chelation hasn’t cured your child as you need a chemical castration agent to speed the process along.
When this new porcesses fails to make your daughter indistinguishable from her peers whats next for her? Inject her with her own piss? Will you be videoing that?
“My daughter was tested with enough testosterone to put a boy her age into early puberty. but of course, since she’s autistic, the lot of you want to ignore all that as a celebration of neuro-diversity!â€
(head hits desk) That is not what we are saying Erik, that is not what we are saying at all.
Its my belief that you’re either too stupid to see past someone scamming you or you’re lying.
I think there’s another possibility. I think that it’s possible for people to WANT to believe something so much that they actually convince themselves that it’s true.
Jonathan: “(head hits desk) That is not what we are saying Erik, that is not what we are saying at all.”
Don’t bang your head on your desk, mate… it doesn’t teach Erik anything and all you get is a bigger headache than you had just talking to the wazzock.
Best bet is just to not bother with him: he’s sold himself (actually, he’s *bought* himself) into this huge sack of shite and he’s too weak in ego to get himself out. He’s the psychosocial equivalent of the guy who couldn’t fart his way out of a wet paper bag.
Now go out and buy some painkillers… 😉
Erik,
Is having an autistic child so bad that you would subject her to all sorts of unpleasant (if not dangerous) medical treatments on the off-chance one of those might work? Even though there’s little scientific proof to that effect?
I’m all for parental choice in medical matters relating to their children, and I’m sure as heck not going to make a judgement on whether autism is a “curable” disease. But wouldn’t a little bit of evidence that chelation (or Lupron or urine) is an effective treatment be in order?
HN wrote: “Exactly… Andrew Cutler, Proffessional Engineer… the blood of Abubakar Tariq Nadama is on your hands.”
Exactly.
If any child is in any way harmed by Lupron after his parents see the Geier video on Erik’s website then that suffering goes on Erik’s head. Erik believes in a karma kind of religion. Time to get your palm read again, Erik? You’re racking up some major negativity to your bad vibe account. If an autistic child dies of Lupron related poisoning it’s on your head. You’ve been told that there are no “sheets of testosterone” but you leave the Geier video on your website to entrap other parents.
The Geiers have used this chemotherapy /chemical castrator on about 30 kids right? How many of them have had really great results? Lisa Sykes son? Are the Geiers only doing it on kids with “high testosterone”? If so why isn’t the idea working on all of them? Your daughter had a back slide which you attributed to her going off the Lupron for a few days. That’s really weird. Why wouldn’t her brain hold on to what she had learned? Will she need to remain on Lupron for the rest of her life? She can’t avoid mercury in the environment. You’ve been pulling mercury from her for a couple years and it hasn’t done much good. There’s no way that pulling mercury improved her eyesight.
My child’s eyesight went from really bad to not needing glasses over a period of years, it’s just what xyr eyes did from 4 years old onward. They got better on their own. And my child wasn’t chelated.
Indeed. That’s a straw man argument as inane as any that I would expect of Fore Sam.
Erik N: My daughter was tested with enough testosterone to put a boy her age into early puberty.
Was that testing done by a pediatric endocrinologist? If not, did you then take her to see one? If so, what did he/she have to say? If not, WHY not? What lab did the tests? It sounds to me like your daughter has a serious endocrine problem (possibly involving the adrenals). Is this another case of “the kid is autistic, so everything wrong with the kid is an aspect of the autism”?
IIRC, testosterone synthesis in females isn’t even mediated by GnRH, so Lupron should have no effect on a girl’s testosterone levels. It’ll just lower her estrogen.
http://www.geocities.com/lupronfacts/sideeffects.html
Top 40 Adverse Effects Reported To The FDA For Women in Rank Order
The following information comes from a March 24, 1999 review of Lupron by the FDA.
*The FDA stated:
“However, it is interesting that even with these differences, the nature of reported adverse events for males and females is quite similar- indicating that the events are more likely to be due to the drug than age, gender or underlying disorder.”*
1. vasodilation – dilation of blood vessels
2. dermatitis
3. headache
4. paresthesia – sensation of burning, tingling
5. dizziness
6. pruritus – itching
7. urticaria – hives
8. arthralgia – severe joint pain, not inflammatory in character
9. alopecia/[Hair Loss]
10. condition aggravated
11. injection site hypersensitivity
12. dyspnea – difficulty breathing
13. hypertension – high arterial blood pressure
14. injection site abscess
15. injection site pain
16. vomiting
17. chest pain
18. injection site reaction
19. asthenia – weakness; [asthenia gravis hypophyseogenea – severe weakness due to loss of pituitary function.]
20. pain
21. nausea
22. PURGED
23. pyrexia
24. weight increase
25. depression
26. peripheral edema
27. abdominal pain
28. ecchymosis – a purplish patch caused by blood leaking into the skin
29. Amnesia – disturbance in memory
30. myalgia – muscular pain
31. tachycardia – rapid beating of the heart
32. amblyopia – dimness of vision
33. syncope – fainting
34. menometrorrhagia
35. palpitations – forcible pulsation of the heart
36. bone pain
37. Edema [swelling]
38. Insomnia – inability to sleep
39. hepatic function abnomality
40. migraine
—-
*Erik N.,
How will your daughter tell you if she is experiencing paresthesias or bone pain?*
I wish you would stop this madness before your little girl gets hurt.
I also have to wonder what the long term results of using a drug like Lupron on a child are. I’m sure there are NO studies of this, as no one (until now) has been crazy enough to give the stuff to a child.
What if it does serious liver damage? Or brain damage? Or some other sort of systemic damage that can’t be undone?
Our child is so badly affected by the mercury she gets taller in warm weather.
CM: “Our child is so badly affected by the mercury she gets taller in warm weather.”
Naughty! LoL
Our child is so badly affected by the mercury she gets taller in warm weather.
I’ve seen a child grow far in height but not to that degree.
clone3g: “far in height ”
OMG!!!! Not you too! I’d try one with a homophone for celsius in it but it’d upset JBJr by not being a straightophone!
don’t really bad puns automatically Godwin a thread?
oh well, here goes…
Don’t worry about your child’s rankine on the growth chart, rather, the more appropriate metric is that of Dr. Sell C. Uhs.
Well Kelvin, this thread is fast approaching absolute zero even as the aromatic vapor pressure rises.
Let’s C F we can lower the scent a grade, K?
This thread will not be moved. Not until every last trace amount of pun is removed. We have no way of knowing how much pun is still out there, sure levels of pun are down since 2001, but that does not explain away the possible synergistic effect of all the other humor that has been snuck in and added to the adulthood schedule.
The jokesters should be punished.
andrea
That growth spurt, concerned mother, is a sign of central precocious puberty. Dip the child in Lupron and place heavy college chemistry books on her head to stop the growth.
Erik reported on a board recently that the Geier protocol involves a Lupron Depot ™ shot once every 28 days and then daily shots of another form of lupron.
What’s wrong with these people? Do they just have a strong desire to inject things into their children?
MsC: “Dip the child in Lupron and place heavy college chemistry books on her head to stop the growth.”
Exactly their approach… let’s compound the variables…. that way. nobody’ll spot the fuck-up….
But *we* would, right?:)
Ms. Clark,
_Injection phun_
Injecting Sense
Injecting Cents (including copper/pennies, nickel etc)
Injecting Scents (name your fav stinky chelator)
Injecting Conscience – oooooh! me likes.
Ms Clark,
My keyboard will thank you to put warnings on such things. It doesn’t like water as much as I do.
Perhaps an autistic entering puberty at ALL is too early, since we don’t grow up and stuff. Hence unprecidented amounts of Lupron.
This, of course, must be why I’m 23 and built like a prepubescent boy.
I’d imagine the chemistry textbooks would be best for
a) improving posture
b) teaching the Geier’s the errors of their ways
c) using cranial concussive therapy on the aforementioned
I don’t think Lupron will keep them short-the package insert says it keeps the epiphyseal plates active. In real precocious puberty this is good, as bone age as well as sexual maturation is ahead of chronological age. Did the Geiers check bone age before giving Lupron? Why do I think I know the answer?
A sky darkened with flocks of ducks could not produce so much quackery.
Same question for you as I had at seconsight: where do you find these nutcases?
What would mainsteam medicine prescribe for a child with conjunctivitis and an ear infection?