I was recently sent the following link (thank you JNB ;o) ) which announces the creation of the ‘Cutler Hawking Project’. At first I suspected the formation of some soft rock combo but a quick glance at the site in question soon alleviated my doubts.
The majority of people need very strong evidence before they start believing in non-mainstream treatments, and this is the reason why we decided to contact Stephen Hawking to convince him to try Andy Cutler’s chelation protocol – so he can serve as an example. Confining him to a wheelchair since his mid 20’s, Mr. Hawking is a brilliant and famous English physicist who is suffering tragically from Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, a disease caused by chronic mercury poisoning. Now 63, he can only speak with the help of a computer voice synthesizer.
Oh, it gets better.
The reason why we selected Mr. Hawking is because of his very unique situation. If we convince a man of his mega-stature in the scientific community to try Andy Cutler’s protocol and he subsequently recovers from such debility, that would convince even the biggest of skeptics. Because Mr. Hawking has been confined to a wheelchair for such a long time, and since he is so famous, no doctor could come up with another reasonable excuse for his recovery, and no doctor could write it off as a faked illness, as it would be too obvious that the mercury amalgam & vaccine issue is real and that Andy Cutler’s mercury chelation protocol really works. Mr. Hawking would be living proof! There is no other person in the world that could make a stronger case! It makes a dynamic difference when you see a celebrity talk about a certain treatment, and see that person get out of the wheelchair after 35 years and walk again, and we believe that news channels would report on this “miracle” worldwide!
OK, so here’s a group of people who believe first and foremost that a whole range of things are caused by mercury poisoning – autism, bad backs, and apparently Motor Neurone Disease has now joined that elite group. Lucky lucky Professor Hawking. Why lucky? Because chelation will cure him!!! Yay!!!!!
Except…neither Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, nor indeed any other forum of neurone disease is caused by mercury poisoning. The official line is:
The cause of ALS is not known, and scientists do not yet know why ALS strikes some people and not others…in searching for the cause of ALS, researchers have also studied environmental factors such as exposure to toxic or infectious agents. Other research has examined the possible role of dietary deficiency or trauma. However, as of yet, there is insufficient evidence to implicate these factors as causes of ALS…Future research may show that many factors, including a genetic predisposition, are involved in the development of ALS.
Sounds strangely familiar doesn’t it?
And so we’re presented with the mental picture of some fairly odd people attempting to bother a sick old man just so they can try and persuade him to undergo some therapy. Nice.
And yet, it’s still not as bad as another treatment I heard about. Apparently Dr Rashid Buttar, adored by mercury boys and girls all over the world, the man who can cure cancer and reverse old age as well as cure autism with skin cream recommends another intriguing treatment for young kids – and this time, he’s not confining it to autistic kids: oh no, this ones good for _everyone_ :
Have any of your tried, or even heard anything about, doing urine shots to help the immune system? I don’t know much about it yet, but I know you use your child’s own urine, and filter it with special filters, before injecting it into their hip. I’ve heard really good things about it from a friend who tried it.
No, its not a joke. The answers came thick and fast:
I only know this was described to me to be a procedure used by Dr. Buttar about a year ago when my son was his patient, but the nurse said it would require an extended stay near the clinic and we live in Texas. We never tried it and moved on to another doctor.
I’ll bet you did Leslie.
This was recommended by Dr. Buttar’s office for my NT son who has tons of allergies. I believe Dr. Imam in NY does it. It sounded too “out there” for us so we are currently sticking with justchelation for him.
Yeah, just chelation. That’s not ‘out there’ at all.
My grandson went through this beginning in October. It was a once a week treatment for 10 weeks. Before he began, he had lots of allergy problems that would often advance into sinus infection and ear infections. It’s almost April and he has not had one problem since. The only thing that I see is an occasional stuffy nose that lasts only a very short time.
Just in case you think you read it wrong, you didn’t. Rashid Buttar and others recommend taking some of the childs urine, filtering it and then injecting it back into them. This is apparently good for the immune system. Yummy.
Left Brain Right Brain 
KC, mainstream medicine should prescribe that you consult with an appropriate licensed practitioner for evaluation and treatment of conjunctivitis and an ear infection.
KC: “What would mainsteam medicine prescribe for a child with conjunctivitis and an ear infection?”
A medical practitioner would examine the child, and make a prescription based on that examination. In this case, the treatment would probably include antibiotics but, as DoC above said… for the actual prescription, you would have to see a licenced medical practitioner.
Such a practitioner would definitely not suggest a course of chelation therapy.
Lets say I did consult with a “licensed practitioner” for evaluation, …what would he or she prescibe for treatment of conjunctivitis and an ear infection?
conjunctivitis .
Ear infection.
KC: “what would he or she prescibe for treatment of conjunctivitis and an ear infection?”
People have told you. Why do you keep asking? What’s your issue here? Something you’re failing to understand?
Greensmile – comes with the territory ;o)
Most conventional doctors would prescribe antibiotics for conjunctivitis and an ear infection. My daughter and son have had this a couple of times. This time we used Noni (Morinda citrifolia) and Samento (Uncaria Tomentosa) from Dr. Buttar. The conjunctivitis and the ear infection were gone in about 24 hours and without the side effects of antibiotics.
I have never heard of this urine injection for alergies but I see that someone on the chelatingkids2 chat said that it works and after doing a few internet searches I see there are others that swear by it.
If this is even true, that Dr. Buttar prescribes these urine injections, then whats the problem? Many of you accuse these doctors of being out to just make a buck but it doesn’t sound like there’s much money to be made on this procedure.
Dr. Buttar should not even have been included in this thread about the Cutler Hawking project. I think this was done to get blog traffic by using 3 big names – Rashid Buttar, Stephen Hawking And JB Handley
Herbal hepatotoxicity: acute hepatitis caused by a Noni preparation (Morinda citrifolia).
Millonig G, Stadlmann S, Vogel W.
aClinical Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology bDepartment of Pathology, Medical University of Innsbruck, Austria.
A 45-year-old patient was sent to our department because of highly elevated transaminases and elevated lactate dehydrogenase. His medical history was unremarkable and he took no medication on regular basis. Physical examination did not detect any abnormalities. There was no evidence for viral hepatitis, Epstein-Barr virus or cytomegalovirus, autoimmune hepatitis, Budd-Chiari syndrome, haemochromatosis or Wilson’s disease. During the interview he admitted that for ‘prophylactic reasons’ he had been drinking the juice of Noni (Morinda citrifolia), a Polynesian herbal remedy made from a tropical fruit, during the preceding 3 weeks. This gave rise to the suspicion of herbal toxicity, which was confirmed by a liver biopsy. After ceasing the ingestion of Noni, transaminase levels normalized quickly and were within normal ranges 1 month after the first presentation. To our knowledge, this is the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which has been highly praised in the tabloid press.
Comment in:
Pediatr Blood Cancer. 2006 Jan;46(1):8-10.
Alternative medicine remedies might stimulate viability of leukemic cells.
Styczynski J, Wysocki M.
Department of Pediatric Hematology and Oncology, Collegium Medicum of Bydgoszcz, Nicolaus Copernicus University of Torun, Bydgoszcz, Poland. jstyczynski@cm.umk.pl
OBJECTIVE: Ex vivo activity of three products of alternative therapy against leukemic and normal cells was analyzed. MATERIAL AND METHODS: Extracts of Viscum album, Uncaria tomentosa, and Croton lechleri were used for the study. Leukemic cells of 53 children with acute leukemias and four cell lines, Jurkat, CCRF-CEM, HL-60, and K-562 were tested for sensitivity to alternative medicine remedies by the MTT assay, cell-cycle analysis and annexin-V binding assay. RESULTS: Leukemic cells showed high resistance to tested three compounds of alternative medicine in all performed assays. Additionally, tested remedies stimulated survival of leukemic cells in 45%, 96%, and 83% cases, respectively; while no effect was observed in normal lymphocytes. In combination studies, Viscum album extract did not increase prednisolone and cytarabine cytotoxicity in leukemic cells. CONCLUSION: We conclude that some alternative medicine remedies might stimulate the viability of childhood leukemic cells.
Do I need to point out the harmful effects of antibiotics now? How about vaccine injuries?
Clone, your first study seems to be about a 45 year old male that was guzzling Noni juice. Anything in excess can hurt you. The dose we used was only 15 drops given 4 times a day. Your second study shows that Alternative medicine remedies might stimulate viability of leukemic cells. Key word “MIGHT”. You believe that but you don’t believe mercury might cause autism.
“Mercury has been found to accumulate in vital organs and tissues, such as the liver, brain, and heart muscle. Major symptoms of mercury toxicity include Emotional Instability, tremors, gingivitis, and kidney failure. Some also believe mercury may be linked to multiple sclerosis and epileptic seizures. Further, its affect on the body’s immune system is potentially devastating, possibly contributing to diseases such as leukemia and hematopoietic dycrasias.”
“To our knowledge, this is the first report of hepatotoxicity caused by this herbal remedy, which has been highly praised in the tabloid press.”
Do you think that maybe they had an axe to grind?
Most conventional doctors would prescribe antibiotics for conjunctivitis and an ear infection. My daughter and son have had this a couple of times. This time we used Noni (Morinda citrifolia) and Samento (Uncaria Tomentosa) from Dr. Buttar. The conjunctivitis and the ear infection were gone in about 24 hours and without the side effects of antibiotics.
If you’d actually read Kevin’s links, you’d notice that most ear infections and conjunctivitis go away on their own. I’d like to see some actual evidence that those treatments work (and not just your lame anecdotes) before running out to my local quack, er alt-med doctor.
If this is even true, that Dr. Buttar prescribes these urine injections, then whats the problem? Many of you accuse these doctors of being out to just make a buck but it doesn’t sound like there’s much money to be made on this procedure.
Nah, R. Buttar just makes his money off his $800 office visits.
KC: Do I need to point out the harmful effects of antibiotics now? How about vaccine injuries?
Nope. The risks and side effects are well studied and established. Nobody knows what the hell is going on with herbal supplements, if they contain any of the active alkaloids or if they have way too much, whether they are from the same species or even the from the right plant. But hey, go ahead and whine about the lack of safety trials for pharmaceuticals and promote the use of magic potions dispensed by your Shaman. Chant too if that helps you.
Alternative medicine remedies might stimulate viability of leukemic cells. Key word “MIGHTâ€.
I didn’t say I belive it or not. It might or it might not. You and Buttar have no way of knowing but I guess the unknown only concerns you when it involves your favorite toxin.
You believe that but you don’t believe mercury might cause autism.
It’s not about belief. I don’t believe either because there isn’t enough evidence to support either.
You highlighted the wrong section in your mercury causes everything paragraph.
Some also believe mercury may be linked to multiple sclerosis and epileptic seizures. Further, its affect on the body’s immune system is potentially devastating, possibly contributing to diseases such as leukemia and hematopoietic dycrasias.â€
I provided an abstract from an experiment that showed a clear enhancement on the survival and stimulation of leukemic cells which is a lot more than the stab in the dark passage you pasted. Show me a way that mercury, especially tiny amounts that used to be in vaccines, can possibly cause any of those diseases or autism.
” go ahead and whine about the lack of safety trials for pharmaceuticals and promote the use of magic potions dispensed by your Shaman. Chant too if that helps you.”
Ok I will.
“Show me a way that mercury, especially tiny amounts that used to be in vaccines, can possibly cause any of those diseases or autism.”
I can’t show you that mercury causes autism but I can show you what happens to children when you take it out. What about the recovered kids? They removed the heavy metals through chelation and the children recovered. The number of kids recovering increases daily and before you know it, you won’t be able to explain it away. I can’t show you that mercury causes autism but I can show you what happens to children when you take it out.
Why is it that most of the peer reviewed studies on autism, tell us what autism is not?
KC: Clone, your first study seems to be about a 45 year old male that was guzzling Noni juice. Anything in excess can hurt you. The dose we used was only 15 drops given 4 times a day.
You heard it here first folks. Kevin Champagne argued that dose makes the toxin.
I can’t show you that mercury causes autism but I can show you what happens to children when you take it out.
Rinse. Repeat
I can’t show you that mercury causes autism but I can show you what happens to children when you take it out.
Rinse. Repeat
I can’t show you that mercury causes autism but I can show you what happens to children when you take it out.
Rinse. Repeat
See, no matter how many times you repeat, it doesn’t make it true.
See, no matter how many times you repeat, it doesn’t make it true.
Right back at ya!
anonimouse: “If you’d actually read Kevin’s links, you’d notice that most ear infections and conjunctivitis go away on their own.”
This is why I wasn’t going to say much on prescription… not just because I’m a psychologist (even with a serious amount of health psychology training) rather than a medical practitioner, but also because of the self-limiting nature of most common ailments.
Best treatment for a cold…. stay of work, drink lots of fluids to prevent dehydration and let the cold work out on its own. If not gone after a week, then that would be time to see a medic.
KC: “Why is it that most of the peer reviewed studies on autism, tell us what autism is not?”
Got a statistic for that? Otherwise, you’re just plucking number s out of the air. Nay… not even numbers…. mere proportions! That is a sad tactic.
clone3g: “Show me a way that mercury, especially tiny amounts that used to be in vaccines, can possibly cause any of those diseases or autism.”
We’ve been asking KC and his pals to do that since the start of this blog (Kev L can correct me if I’m wrong!)…. they have yet to do it.
I gave up holding my breath on this one way back…
KC: “I can’t show you that mercury causes autism but I can show you what happens to children when you take it out. What about the recovered kids? They removed the heavy metals through chelation and the children recovered. The number of kids recovering increases daily and before you know it, you won’t be able to explain it away. I can’t show you that mercury causes autism but I can show you what happens to children when you take it out.”
Where are they? You haven’t show us even one! Either you’re hiding these kids (cos they’re not exactly recovered as you claim they are) or you’re lying.
Choose one, and then admit to it.
Kids that have recovered – Baxter Berle, Charlie Shortridge, and Joshua Shoemaker and you can see them at Fair Autism Media. There are some on Dr. Buttar’s website. There are several on Dr. Nuebrander’s website. Check out 10 months in the life of Anthony. Several from the fall 2005 DAN conference. Ethan Kurtz video clip.
I just posted a reply to your question,
“Where are they? You haven’t show us even one! Either you’re hiding these kids (cos they’re not exactly recovered as you claim they are) or you’re lying.”
Because of the amount of links, it must have gone into Kev’s queues box and you’ll have to wait until he clears it.
You have before and after videos of these kids? Systematically collected data to show that a *cure* has taken place above and beyond the development that even to most profoundly autistic child can make?
You expect me to believe you when you have no peer-reviewed science?
Come on…. wasn’t born yesterday. You might have been, but I certainly wasn’t.
And, those links…. advertisement sites…. not peer-reviewed medicine…. they don’t wash with me. I’m looking for proper science.
I’ve seen all those videos from start to finish. There are no recovery stories there.
A convincing video would show:
1. a 3 year old child presenting with obvious autisitc traits
2. labs showing some metabolic disorder
3. pics of treatment
4. same child without autistic traits soon after treatment
Showing a 6 year old kid who used to have a label is NOT convincing.
Showing a 2-3 year old kid looking at a book and not answering to his name is NOT convincing. In that video, the “proof of recovery” was the kid wrestling with his father. Then 10 months later he could use some appropriate language. Here’s a news flash – 10 months is a really long time for a 2-3 year old child.
Lastly the stories cover chelation, MeB12 and speech therapy. One mother went so far as to say that mercury deposits in the fatty tissues and destroy’s the ability for the liver to function properly. Her son was described as sickly. Then she chelates and presto, (did she say 3 years later?) his label goes away. There is no presto. Presto would be hard to argue against, but it’s not in these videos.
I have to wonder how many kids lose their labels annually due to natural progression. I wonder how many kids are labeled autistic and then get changed to an aspergers label later in life?
I think it’s also important to note that somewhere there will be kids with metabolic deficiencies. Some will have problems with the biology of B12. Some will have problems with metals. Some child will undoubtedly be mercury or lead poisoned due to some really sad accident. These children will be treated by mainstream docs who aren’t trying to cover anything up, who won’t get a phonecall from the smoking man (Mulder’s real father?), and who won’t radio the black van to follow the family back to their house.
Thanks BC….
What about the lab results that show a lot of metals coming out of these kids? What about the high levels of lead, arsenic, cadmium, nickel, tin, and mercury coming out of these kids as they got better? The more that comes out the better they get.
You can shove your peer-reviewed bureaucracy of so-called science! Mainstream science has gone nowhere when comes to autism. They are to busy telling us it’s definately not mercury.
Take the study that came out this week about silver fillings are safe for kids. What other result were they going to come up with? They fillled the mouth of those kids with mercury and half of them were Portuguese orphans and in the end if they showed any signs of adverse health effects in thier study, they would have been liable.
“Preliminary results show that the Casa Pia children, as of March 2002, had 4.22 ug/l of mercury in their urine. University of Washington researchers in 1998 published a peer-reviewed study showing that dentists with 4 ug/l of mercury in their urine had adverse neuropsychological and neurobehavioral effects.”
So much for peer-reviewed. You peer-reviewed folks can’t get your story straight! According to the University of Washington 4 ug/l of mercury was harmful to adult dentists but 4.22 ug/l of mercury is not harmful to little kids?
You should go read “Skeptical of skeptics”.
I’m through here for now, I’m going to go out and enjoy my weekend.
KC: “Mainstream science has gone nowhere when comes to autism.”
You’re pathetic. That’s all I can say. You’re a pathetic loser who cannot abide that mainstream science has basically told you that you’re wrong about why your kid is autistic, and that you’re wrong about whether your “treatments” actually work.
Did you notice how Buttar changed from his method of chelation (useless creams!) to a potentially lethal method as soon as one autistic child died? That is because he would rather see an autistic child dead than see an autistic child develop into someone who could turn round and prove him wrong.
He is Ivar Lovaas with a syringe.
And you support Buttar? And you call “mainstream” on *anything*?
You’re hopeless.
Like I said, KC…. your issue with science is *your* issue. Not mine.
Keep it that way.
KC, I read that last night.
A very weak attempt at skepticism. Very well-written and entertaining, but it’s a classic fallacious appeal to Other Ways Of Knowing – pretty vacuous too.
“A chicken can still run with its head cut off, but that doesn’t mean it knows where it’s going.”
A chicken can run with its head intact, but that doesn’t mean it “knows” where it’s going.
Have a good weekend!
_”Skeptical of skeptics”_
That was _great_ :o)
My favourite bit:
_”This has me pondering an important question: Who does a skeptic think is offering the opinions of skepticism if that same skeptic does not believe in the existence of his own consciousness?.”_
Classic 😀
“Did you notice how Buttar changed from his method of chelation (useless creams!) to a potentially lethal method as soon as one autistic child died? That is because he would rather see an autistic child dead than see an autistic child develop into someone who could turn round and prove him wrong.”
Dr. Buttar didn’t switch from transdermal to IV. Transdermal is still in use and is working great. The IV treatment that Kev commented on awhile back is new a IV treatment that Dr. Buttar uses now, but he has been using IV chelation for years, and getting great results.
Just like your bullshit peer-reviewed bureaucratic science that can’t get it’s story straight, you can’t get over the fact that what killed that boy was an incompetent doctor using the wrong type of chelator. Just let that boy rest already.
Conventional medicine killed 32,591 last year and ran up $9.3 billion in excess charges.
Dr. Maurice Hilleman, a vaccinologist for Eli Lilly said, “Getting vaccine products licensed has nothing to do with science; it’s politics, not science that gets products licensed!”
I notice you didn’t have a comeback for the silver fillings study I mentioned or the amount of mercury that was considered dangerous to adult dentists in 1998 but now according to this study, an even higher amount is not harmful to little kids. Instead, you called me a pathetic loser.
Now I could call you a name and then you’ll fire back with something about a stap-on up my ass, the way you did the last time we got into a heated exchange, but it got deleted by Kev, and then this whole thing can spiral out of control , but I am not going to do that.
Dad of Cameron, thank you for being much more civil by wishing me a good weekend. I wish you the same.
“This has me pondering an important question: Who does a skeptic think is offering the opinions of skepticism if that same skeptic does not believe in the existence of his own consciousness?.â€
I had no idea that the Pat pat show could link to stuff that deep. Pat pat don’t want you to question the effectiveness of what they are selling, or the truthfulness of what is said in elder Pat’s book. Skeptics make them nervous.
I have never come across one of his “extreme skeptics”:
“By their own definition, then, extreme skeptics are mindless, soulless walking water bags that are no more “alive” than the DNA sequence of a virus.”
He’s creating this class of people to be his “strawmen” that he can knock down. The skeptics I know acknowlege the weaknesses of science. It’s just that people like this Mike Adams person want us all to depend on their personal “other ways of knowing,’ to chuck rational scientific methods and buy what they are selling, just like Pat pat wants us to buy what they are selling… without skepticism, with credulity, with buckets of gullibility.
Just like Buttar doesn’t want anyone questioning his urine injections.
“I had no idea that the Pat pat show could link to stuff that deep. Pat pat don’t want you to question the effectiveness of what they are selling, or the truthfulness of what is said in elder Pat’s book. Skeptics make them nervous.”
So-called Pat pat made you look pretty foolish last fall when they busted you for your multiple pseudonyms like “alf alpha moo”. You made yourself look foolish when you made a lot of assumptions about my son.
Pat Jr. said ““you are unreliable. You are deceptive. I don’t know what to believe and what *not* to believe about you. And honestly, that’s how I felt before Anonymous’ latest posts about WS, etc.”
“There’s just way too much smoke around you for there to NOT be fire.”
You wouldn’t be lashing out at them for exposing you for the deceptive person that you are, would you?
“Just like Buttar doesn’t want anyone questioning his urine injections.”
He doesn’t? When did Dr. Buttar say that? If the urine injection story is even true?
KC, you brought up a valid point by questioning the dental studies. Be skeptical, it’s good for you.
“University of Washington researchers in 1998 published a peer-reviewed study showing that dentists with 4 ug/l of mercury in their urine had adverse neuropsychological and neurobehavioral effects.â€
I just read that study. It’s a little different than your quote.
“Hg exposures in this study are relevant to both groups, since they were assessed in a dental population but extend over a continuum of urinary Hg levels from 0 to 4 mg/l, comparable to the low exposure levels observed in the general U.S. population. General population levels provided by Dr. P. Factor (personal communication) and Dr. A. Kingman (2) range respectively from 1.3 to 18 mg/l (mean 9 mg/l creatinine corrected) and from 0 to 34 (mean 3.1 mg/ l). Thus, this study addresses public health concerns for Hgo toxicity of dental amalgams.”
Yes they studied dental professionals with a maximum of 4, many were less.
In conclusion, by using an approach that distinguishes recent Hg exposure from Hg body burden, we have observed subtle associations between Hg and symptoms, mood, motor function, and nonspecific cognitive alterations in task performance in an occupationally exposed group with HgU levels comparable to the general U.S. population. Application of this approach may be particularly useful in defining thresholds of Hgo toxicity and for establishing safe limits of exposure to mercury from dental amalgam material, the restoration itself, diet, and other sources.
They did not conclude that it was unsafe. In fact they measured something (with special calculations) that they called “preclinical effets” which were not detectably measureable as a “clinical deficits”, and they measured after chelation with DMPS (which may have impacted other metals). Their conclusion is that measurement after chelation may be a valuable measuring tool to determine actual toxicity – but that no toxic threshold was established.
Additionally they cite the importance of the uncompleted (at the time) studies.
With all the interest in chelation by so many parents, It would have been nice if the field of toxicology would have worked on getting the measuring methods and toxicology reference levels for after-chelation standardized and supported by normative studies. That can be done, but until then, it’s speculation.
Don’t be silly, Kevin.
When I posted as “Alf alpha moo,” I was on a UCD (student accessible) computer. I knew that the Pat pat show blog’s visitor record would show that a student from UCD had posted whatever “Alf alpha moo” wrote.
‘Alfalfa moo” (notice the similarity to Alf alpha moo) was what I remembered as being part of the UCD “fight song” which goes like this:
Bossy cow! cow!
Honey Bee! Bee!
Oleo Marg-arine
Oleo butter-in’
Alfalfa! Hay!
http://daviswiki.org/Bossie_Cow_Cow
See that page for the reason behind the fight song…doesn’t make much sense, invokes Berkeley.
So posting as “alf alpha moo” was a joke and a way of outing myself, it’s just that you all are too unschooled in Davis-ology to have caught it as easily as I thought you would….
Pat pat is out to sell his quasi-religious vitamin pills and pro-chelation view of the world (Jesus wants him to be rich, if I remember the schpiel). I would not want his approval for anything in the world.
What does Pat pat think of the urine injections? What do you think of them Kevin Champagne? I’d love to see Pat pat get urine injections and report on the effect on their health, you too, Kevin. It could be like, scientific and everything.
“When I posted as “Alf alpha moo,†I was on a UCD (student accessible) computer. I knew that the Pat pat show blog’s visitor record would show that a student from UCD had posted whatever “Alf alpha moo†wrote.”
“So posting as “alf alpha moo†was a joke and a way of outing myself, it’s just that you all are too unschooled in Davis-ology to have caught it as easily as I thought you would….”
You have got to be kidding me? Do you hear yourself?
“How about the impact of the boy no longer being drug off to day care and left – if that was the situation before – though that wasn’t mentioned.—”
And don’t forget the response from my wife,
“And what an insult to all those people who aren’t as fortunate and have to work and have their children in day care. Not only do these parents have a child with autism, which is devastating enough, but then people like you judge them because they have their kids in daycare, maybe they have no other option, you’re ignorant!”
“What does Pat pat think of the urine injections?”
I don’t know, and as I have said before, I don’t know if the urine injections story is true and I ask you again, where did you see Dr. Buttar comment on this? I would not put it past you, to be the person that started this on the chelatingkids2 chat under another one of your pseudonyms. You see, that’s the problem with you using all those fake names. It really affects the credibility of your camp. Especially if you created a fake parent on the chelatingkids2 chat.
Camllie tried to out herself over the next three days at three different times of the day?
She made three comments on that patsullivan.com posting about Jared.:
September 19, 2005 at 11:09PM
September 21, 2005 at 3:02PM
September 22, 2005 at 1:43PM
Everytime she commented on Pat Sullivan’s site, she was on a USD computer? Even at 11:09PM on 9/19/05?
Can’t trust her!
Poor Kevin,
Why don’t you ask your friend Buttar if he’s giving urine injections? I don’t have posting privileges to chelatingkids2. I’m not a member. I’ve just seen the posts.
The first time I posted as “alf alpha moo” (it’s hysterical you have the times at your fingertips, I don’t!) I was on the UCD computer. After that I continued to post as Alf alpha moo.
I knew Pat pat was watching his referal log.
There are programs you can get or services you can buy to hide your identity online, if I were sooooo sneaky, why haven’t I ever used one of them. I had outed myself as Autism Diva as soon as I began the blog, I posted in two places with lots of readership that I had begun the blog. David Kirby announced who I was, where I lived and that I had the blog at a antivaxer mercury mom conference, which is on video tape on Erik unfair media Nanstiel’s website… oh you bet, I’m really sneaky.
How about you and your little adventure as
seven seven seven? 777 whatever?
No one knew who you were for a week or so. It took a while but we finally figured out who you were, you were posting from different computers not so far from your home, as I remember.
ooooh, you are just a regular Buttar shill aren’t you??
🙂
Silly.
I was 777 for a few weeks, just to get on a blog that I was banned from. I was also GottaGo for a few posts after 777 was found out. I had a reason to use a fake name and I came clean when I was questioned. What was your reason for your multiple fake names? Why do you still do it?
Camille has the luxury of commenting about her autism experience from distant memory, because she doesn’t have a small recently diagnosed child and does not have to deal with the daily challenges of a young autistic child like most of us do.
“ooooh, you are just a regular Buttar shill aren’t you??
🙂”
Guilty as charged! Did you just now come to this conclusion?
“you were posting from different computers not so far from your home, as I remember.”
Same computer, I just figured out how to change my ip address.
you posted to my blog as 777 and also here. You had an identity as a truck driver or something didn’t you? My aliases don’t sound like real names or they are really weird real names… like “alf alpha moo” Where Alf could be Alfred.
I use alternate IDs to slow down the harassment that I have received at my home for posting things that anivaxers don’t like.
Are you trying to smear me as a pharmco shill like Pat pat did? Still? How sweet.
“Pat pat was trying to smear me as a pharmco shill.”
I know Camille, you’re just a victim.
Pat never, ever, ever, accused you of being a big pharma shill.
Do you remember when you claimed that you had never ever been to my blog?
Liar!
You are so funny.
😀 People will think I’m posting as you. (by the way, how did you figure out how to change your ISP? sounds downright cunning)
From what I can tell were a total of 5 people who commented on the Buttar urine thing. 4 women and 1 man. No one said, “oooh, ick!!!!” That’s what I would have said. None of them were me. You could go look to see if those people in the thread have real world friends who know who they are. It would be easier if you just ask Buttar if he does these filtered urine injection things, that’s simple.
Pat pat was saying that I was a liar, but I don’t lie. Pat was saying that I was lying, why would I lie about autism?
Now Buttar on the other hand… he has financial reasons to tell people that injecting their kids with urine will cure their allergies.
I personally would never go for that, and I have some pretty bad allergies to pollen and mold.
Good night. 🙂
MsC: “Now Buttar on the other hand… he has financial reasons to tell people that injecting their kids with urine will cure their allergies.”
He has financial reasons for suggesting that “treatment” for anything!
You have no comment about me calling you a liar?
That’s ok, your lying is right in line with the CDC, the FDA, and WHO!
“Now Buttar on the other hand… he has financial reasons to tell people that injecting their kids with urine will cure their allergies.”
You really have a problem with money don’t you? If someone has money or a nice car or a big red pickup, they must be crooked!
I have a big black pickup and I apologize for having money. Does that make you feel better?
Just to set the record straight, I wasn’t sitting home on my ass typing away on this computer one day and all of a sudden, a brick of money fell out of the sky and hit me in the head. No, that’s not what happened, I earned my money.
David, it doesn’t sound like there is much money to be made by telling people to inject themselves with there own urine.
KC: “David, it doesn’t sound like there is much money to be made by telling people to inject themselves with there own urine.”
Why else is Buttar doing it? It’s certain not (to my knowledge) an established medical treatment for anything!
Did I just see a comment from some fascist dickhead in Norway disappear?
The Age of Miracles is upon us!
That’s ok, your lying is right in line with the CDC, the FDA, and WHO!
Wow. Paranoid much?