Stalling For Time, Mainstream Death, Underground Immortality

21 Jul

A few days ago I posted about how bad a time the autism = mercury poisoning via thiomersal/vaccines believers were having of late. There was the Fombonne study which revealed yet more lack of correlation between vaccines and autism, then there was the first legal try-out of the quality of the science and the scientific experts accumulated to demonstrate the relationship between thiomersal and autism which was dismissed due to the terrible quality of both. This was followed by the state of Hawaii refusing to ban thiomersal as there was no scientifically sound reason to do it and just as a nasty kick in the teeth, the latest quarterly reports of autism cases in California reported that there was still no drop in the figures despite the long term removal of thiomersal from mainstream vaccines.

Possibly then its no coincidence that on the 18th July, the Petitioners in the Autism/Vaccine Omnibus court cases filed a request to delay the deadline for submitting their case for general causation. The deadline (which has already been adjusted for petitioners several times before) was the end of 2006. Petitioners now want it extended to June 2007. They say this is to ensure the expert academics don’t have to curtail their teaching duties and also (because its in the summer holidays) allow families to attend.

Well, that’s one opinion. My personal opinion is that the RhoGAM case was a pretty large wake-up call and people suddenly realised that the ‘expert’ witnesses were _far_ from expert and that the body of science was shoddy in the extreme.

The petitioners also make some amusing requests regarding how this case is followed. Firstly, they want the court to allow for all 5000 families to attend in a central location such as Houston or Chicago. Maybe a resident of one of these cities can suggest a legal arena with a 5000 seat capacity?

They also suggest that the whole thing is played out via live web casts for those unable to attend in person. Strikes me that these requests are simply there to provide argument and thus stall for more time. In short, petitioners legal team are actively trying to turn this into a media circus, not a trial.

Most tellingly of all, petitioners want to _limit_ the amount of time each expert can be cross examined for. I wonder why. Well, no, I don’t. If I had Haley or the Geier’s in my corner I’d want to limit the amount of time they can speak too.

I feel sorry for the Special Master here. If he lets them have the extra time then he knows he’s setting a precedent. These petitioners have had ample time to prepare their case. If he refuses the request then he’ll be savaged and no doubt be painted as a Big Pharma Shill.

So is this the rag tag end of the thiomersal hypothesis? Yes and no. In scientific terms there’s still no evidence whatsoever to indicate a causative link between thiomersal/MMR/vaccines and autism. This aspect never really got off the ground at all. When we turn to epidemiology (is there a positive numerical correlation between thiomersal and autism?) then what we hear, as Holmes once famously explained to Watson, is the sound of no dogs barking.

Every quarter for the past two or three years, Rick Rollens has compiled the quarterly data from the CDDS without fail. David Kirby describes it as ‘the gold standard’ of numbers relating to autism. Every quarter, as caseload (as defiend by Rollens) grew it was trumpeted as proof that the thiomersal in vaccines caused an increase in autism…..except for the first time I can remember, Rollens has not compiled these stats this quarter. Kirby has not announced them on the Huffington Post blog. Schafer has not mentioned them in the SAR. No dogs bark this quarter. Why? Because thiomersal use is almost gone in vaccines and yet still the autism numbers rise.

Lenny Schafer recently said:

Myself and other autism activists believe there is enough evidence to support a causative relationship between mercury and autism in a court of law, in front of a jury, where standards of evidence are different than that of the narrow focus of scientific findings. And if you can convince a jury, you can convince the public.

He’s, of course, wrong as the recent RhoGAM hearing indicates. The standard of determination for scientific hypothesis’ is still, and always will be, science. I’ll close this first part of this post with a quote from one of my favourite poets – Yeats.

_Turning and turning in the widening gyre_
_The falcon cannot hear the falconer;_
_Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;_
_Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,_
_The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere_
_The ceremony of innocence is drowned;_
_The best lack all conviction, while the worst_
_Are full of passionate intensity._

*~Second Coming.*

I’ve long been fascinated by conspiracy theories. How they grow, how they operate etc. The autism/vaccine hypothesis has mutated into a conspiracy theory now as it fulfils many – if not all – of the sociological and psychological requirements to be deemed as such.

When conspiracy theories combine logical fallacies with lack of evidence, the result is a world view known as conspiracism. Conspiracism is a world view that sees major historic events and trends as the result of secret conspiracies. Academic interest in conspiracy theories and conspiracism has identified a set of familiar structural features by which membership of the genre may be established, and has presented a range of hypotheses on the basis of studying the genre. Among the leading scholars of conspiracism are: Hofstadter, Popper, Barkun, Goldberg, Pipes, Fenster, Mintz, Sagan, Johnson, and Posner, from whom the following list is synthesized.

Wikipedia.

Let’s work through some of ‘diagnostic criteria’ for conspiracies:

  1. Initiated on the basis of limited, partial or circumstantial evidence; – TRUE Began after FDA asked for review of mercury in ’97..
  2. Addresses an event or process that has broad historical or emotional impact. – TRUE ‘Poisoning’ children is a highly emotive subject. Appeals to emotion are constantly made.
  3. Reduces morally complex social phenomena to simple, immoral actions – TRUE Instead of seeing institutions as error-capable they are painted as evil
  4. Personifies complex social phenomena as powerful individual conspirators; – TRUE Continued belief that those ‘in power’ at the CDC/FDA/AAP ‘know’ whats going on
  5. Allots superhuman talents or resources to conspirators;
  6. Key steps in argument rely on inductive, not deductive reasoning;
  7. Appeals to ‘common sense’ – TRUE Lacking science, the fallback position is common sense.
  8. Exhibits well-established logical and methodological fallacies; – TRUE One word – Geier.
  9. Is produced and circulated by ‘outsiders’, often anonymous, and generally lacking peer review – TRUE Not sure about anonymous outsiders but definitely lacks peer review
  10. Is upheld by persons with demonstrably false conceptions of relevant science; – TRUE Geier, Kirbys, Olmsted, Handley, Bernard, Schafer….etc etc etc
  11. Enjoys zero credibility in expert communities; – TRUE
  12. Rebuttals provided by experts are ignored or accommodated through elaborate new twists in the narrative;
  13. The conspiracy is claimed to involve just about anybody; – TRUE FDA/CDC/me/George Bush/Every doctor on the planet
  14. The conspiracy centers on the “usual suspects”; – TRUE Big organisations. CDC etc.

So we can see that the autism/thiomersal/vaccine hypothesis more than qualifies as a conspiracy theory. The believers also fit the descriptions perfectly. Many autism/vaccines believers also believe in other related conspiracy theories. As an example, Kathleen recently posted another in her ongoing fascinating series of posts on the Geier’s where they were interviewed on radio. The host said:

Why are these things going on? Well, if you’d like to know why they’re going on, you need to get my talk on planned population reduction… And ladies and gentlemen, I hate to say this, but there really are people who want to hurt children… And if you doubt that, you need to get my book, Brotherhood of Darkness… Our government is poisoning us.

There really are people like Judy (sic) Gerberding and others at the CDC, who know exactly what they are doing, and they are evil. I’ve been to the CDC, I’ve met many of these people when I was back there, and of course, not the same people, I’m sure those people have gone on and probably been richly rewarded working for the drug companies or working elsewhere now, very prosperous after doing all the harm… We’re up against organized evil. We’re in a battle for the souls of men, and the survival of Christian civilization.

This is a vocalisation of the ‘human farming’ conspiracy theory. The host believes that:

some of our leaders have dedicated their lives to destroying our nation (US)

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I have also heard conspiracy theories that state that (somehow) the 11/9 WTC attacks are (somehow) part of the autism/vaccine theory and that autism is a ‘disease’ constructed with the sole purpose of selling more pills.

Evidence of Harm also has a new member – John Scudamore of whale.to who’s site is a haven for conspiracy theories such as The Illuminati, Depopulation control, Big Brother, Black Ops. Charmingly, John has an entire section devoted to rubbishing medical charities:

the purpose of cancer research is not to find a cure for cancer but to perpetuate the cancer industry consisting mostly of research and chemotherapy

Another supporter of the theory (and in particular Generation Rescue) is David Icke who once declared himself as the Son of God and who believes that we are controlled by all powerful lizards.

It’s almost a necessity that the thiomersal/autism hypothesis becomes a conspiracy theory – it ensures its life beyond the point when the rest of the world has moved on (and we are very close to that point now) and gives people a reason to explain what they perceive as the bad in their life. Maybe these people are more to be pitied than argued with but their conspiracy theories affect my kids life directly. They still need challenging lest they sink into the same murky excuses for genocide that the recent re-painting of the holocaust as an event that never occurred occurs here too.

16 Responses to “Stalling For Time, Mainstream Death, Underground Immortality”

  1. andrea July 21, 2006 at 12:57 #

    Very interesting post! I hadn’t realised that conspiracism was so well-developed diagnostically.

    I would check #12 as TRUE: Rebuttals provided by experts are ignored or accommodated through elaborate new twists in the narrative;

  2. Joseph July 21, 2006 at 15:58 #

    Number 7: Appeals to ‘common sense’

    Common Sense hasn’t posted here in a while, BTW, has she? That criteria for conspirationism is dead on.

  3. Joseph July 21, 2006 at 16:03 #

    for the first time I can remember, Rollens has not compiled these stats this quarter. Kirby has not announced them on the Huffington Post blog. Schafer has not mentioned them in the SAR. No dogs bark this quarter. Why?

    That’s very telling indeed. They must realize the hypothesis is dead, though naturally they are still in denial to a great extent. Another thing is that in the last few quarters caseload growth has been on the rise. If caseload growth was falling, as it eventually should, things might have been different?

  4. David N. Andrews BA-status, PgCertSpEd (pending) July 21, 2006 at 17:04 #

    I’m with Andrea on the point she makes about number 12 in the list.

    Actually…. I’ll see her 12 and raise her the 6th item in the list too….. there is little or no deductive reasoning in the mercury-poisoning=autism thing at all.

    As for Joseph’s little dig at “Common (Non)Sense”…. naughty, Joseph… very naughty…. but bloody funny 😉

  5. Nathzn July 21, 2006 at 17:39 #

    Allots superhuman talents or resources to conspirators;
    -True the whole government is in on it as is the whole Pharmasutical industry (somehow working as one well oiled machine).

    Key steps in argument rely on inductive, not deductive reasoning;
    -Bingo there to, the parents taken in are there based on faith not investigation.

  6. David N. Andrews BA-status, PgCertSpEd (pending) July 21, 2006 at 19:02 #

    Nathzn, you do realise that you just killed the conspiracy theory idea and turn those folks into religious devotees, don’t you?

  7. sh'malsch't'et July 21, 2006 at 22:00 #

    Well it has been postulated as Yeats was one of us, but then who knows what big Al was?

    The mercury bunch there ain’t no gainsaying them, cos magical thinking is there province as much as your mystic crystal revalation (age of aquarius notwithstanding) is.

    There is no winning of there minds because they are sacrificed to deities so wierd you won’t find them in any necronomicon or calendar of saints.

    I give up argufying with them, they inhabit the same alternate reality as Harry Potter.

    Eel’y’eet

    Ail ye ait (alternative spelling)

  8. Ms Clark July 21, 2006 at 22:33 #

    I think the rats are abandoning the sinking, stinking dead-parrot hype-othesis ship (mixed metaphor… I know)

    I bet Kirby won’t be doing any more presentations on his slimy piece of trash book. It appears that he has no current or future speaking engagements according to the ridiculous website that mercury mom maintains for him.

    I wonder if he’ll go back to writing travelogues. I’m guessing he won’t be publishing any in the NYT again.

    The MIND institue was supposed to have this “task force” thing on the autism epidemic but it seems to be having difficulties of some kind. Rick Rollens claimed he was going to be on that task force.

    It’s just hysterical that Lenny and Rick haven’t commented on the California numbers, that leave stalwart, going down with the ship Craig Westover… who thinks Kirby is suuch a nice guy and who is hated by Lenny for some reason…

  9. b. sharp July 21, 2006 at 23:03 #

    Key steps in argument rely on inductive, not deductive reasoning

    Now I may be mistaken here, but most scientific reasoning, argument and prediction is inductive. Deduction works, but mostly for theoretical models and book keeping, basicly things under the premise of absolute certainty, which can be rather hard to find in the real world. Other than that quibble, a pretty good list.

  10. b. sharp July 21, 2006 at 23:09 #

    Key steps in argument rely on inductive, not deductive reasoning;
    -Bingo there to, the parents taken in are there based on faith not investigation.

    Note: I am not in any way excusing the mercury brigade. However. In addition to what I just previously posted, induction has little to do with faith, if the world’s religions based their beliefs on induction reasoning, then it wouldn’t be a faith.

    Has anyone here read Hume, or books on logic and/or the philosophy of science?

  11. b. sharp July 21, 2006 at 23:16 #

    Forgot to add-deductive arguments don’t work for religion or faith either.

  12. andrea July 21, 2006 at 23:49 #

    I agree witih b sharp about science being actually inductive rather than deductive. For those of us who think inductively and can easily see patterns emerging from masses of information, that deductive stuff can be difficult. Alas, a lot of basic undergrand stuff is deductive (“memorise this then plug-and-chug”), and then they turn around and want inductive thinkers in grad school and surprise! a lot of them aren’t used to thinking that way…

    andrea

  13. Joseph July 22, 2006 at 00:15 #

    That’s right. The scientific method is not deductive. It works like this. You basically start with inferences such as:

    H -> A
    H -> B
    H -> C

    And then you show that A, B, C and so on (i.e. the “evidence”) always hold true. From that you conclude that H is very likely to be correct, although never “proven”. It’s not deductive logic, but it works well in practice.

  14. Nathzn July 22, 2006 at 14:14 #

    “Nathzn, you do realise that you just killed the conspiracy theory idea and turn those folks into religious devotees, don’t you?”

    Well I’ve thought of them as a cult for a long time now,

    Is there any reason why it can’t by both?

  15. Nathzn July 22, 2006 at 14:16 #

    “Note: I am not in any way excusing the mercury brigade. However. In addition to what I just previously posted, induction has little to do with faith, if the world’s religions based their beliefs on induction reasoning, then it wouldn’t be a faith.

    Has anyone here read Hume, or books on logic and/or the philosophy of science?”

    Actually i was more concentratng on the lack of decutive reasoning part, sorry I tend to focus on one thing.

  16. bonni July 22, 2006 at 17:55 #

    “if the world’s religions based their beliefs on induction reasoning, then it wouldn’t be a faith”

    That reminds me of a line from a favorite movie of mine (Nuns on the Run):

    “That’s why you’ve got to believe it! If it made sense, it wouldn’t be a religion!”

    🙂

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