Indictment for Poul Thorsen

19 Apr

Poul Thorsen was a key person in setting up a CDC funded team to perform epidemiology in Denmark. He has recently been indicted for wire fraud. Below are some of the key parts of the indictment which I feel will be of interest to the discussion:

Count
Paragraph 5 of the indictment reads:

Aarhus University and Odense University Hospital administered the CDC grant under the direction of a principal investigator, who was assigned scientific and administrative oversight.

Count Paragraph 6 starts with:

In 2002, after CDC awarded the grant, defendant THORSEN went to Denmark and became the principal investigator, responsible for administering the research money awarded by the CDC to Denmark.

So, at least according to the Grand Jury that indicted him, Poul Thorsen was the “principal investigator” and was assigned “scientific and administrative oversight”. I bring this up because the question posed by many is “how much was he able to influence the scientific results?”. I can’t find the comment right now, but I do recall one collaborator (I believe Madsen) stating that Mr. Thorsen did not have the ability to

From Count Paragraph 8 we get some details as to how the scheme was allegedly pulled off:

“The invoices falsely claimed that a CDC laboratory had performed work under the grant for which Aarhus University owed money.

I.e. he told his University in Denmark that the CDC was doing some of the work and that money had to be transferred back to pay for that. But, it appears that the money was transferred into personal accounts belonging to Mr. Thorsen.

Now, here’s the part that’s going to get a lot of speculation going.

On or about the dates set forth below in the Northern District of Georgia and elsewhere the defendant! POUL THORSEN aided and abetted by others known and unknown to the Grand Jury and for the purpose of executing the aforementioned scheme and artifice to defraud, transmitted and caused to be transmitted by means of wire communication in interstate and foreign commerce, writings, signs, signals, and sounds, that is, wire transfers ln the following amounts from accounts held by Aarhus University in Denmark to accounts held by defendant THORSEN at the CDC Federal Credit Union Atlanta, Georgia:

aided and abetted by others known and unknown to the Grand Jury

Many will ask “were members of his scientific team involved in the money transfers?” Some will just assert it as fact.

Note that the dates involved are from December 2006 to October 2008. This is long after the main autism/vaccine studies were performed. However, if true, these charges do show a man of low personal integrity. This will be used to question his work. However, the fact remains: his work has been replicated. Take the studies from his group out–discard them entirely–and the story remains the same: neither thimerosal nor the MMR vaccine caused an autism “epidemic”. The risk of autism is not higher for those who got vaccines with thimerosal or the MMR vaccine.

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245 Responses to “Indictment for Poul Thorsen”

  1. Dedj May 9, 2011 at 19:28 #

    “As you imply can you give instances of materials that are hazardous but aren’t?”

    I imply no such thing. You clearly haven’t been following what I’ve been saying if you think I imply such a contradiction.

    My post was clearly referencing the idea that the administrative designation of a substance as hazardous at any level is not, in itself, an indication that the substance is unduly hazardous at all levels.

    Kindly stop wasting my time.

  2. Brian Morgan May 9, 2011 at 19:40 #

    The site has speeded up again.

  3. Jim Thompson May 9, 2011 at 20:46 #

    correction:

    40,000 not 4,000,000

    Thank you Do’c

  4. Sniffer May 9, 2011 at 23:26 #

    Dear Dedj,

    “My post was clearly referencing the idea that the administrative designation of a substance as hazardous at any level is not, in itself, an indication that the substance is unduly hazardous at all levels.”

    Could you please provide me an example of a hazard that isn`t hazardous in the context of this discussion as put forward by Jim Thomson?

    Thanks in advance.

    Sincerely

    Sniffer

  5. Jim Thompson May 9, 2011 at 23:56 #

    Daedalus2u:

    First, the terms acute and chronic toxicity could be replaced with lethal dose and non lethal dose causing chronic effects.

    Second, the MSDS link already given above shows an intra-aural lethal thimerosal dose (lowest observed) for a child as 60 mg/kg, i.e. lethal dose, or 300 micromolar whole body intake. Also, see Axton 1972 at http://pmj.bmj.com/content/vol48/issue561/ . For case no. 4, two year old weighing 14 kg, the lethal dose was one gram of thimerosal IM injection, using an atomic weight of 201 grams for mercury, this is a micromolar whole body dose of 177 (177 10-6 moles per kilogram). One gram is the weight of a medium sized paper clip. That was the reported lethal thimerosal IM dose for the child that weighed 14 kg (30.8 pounds). That reported lethal IM dose was 36 mg/kg. And yes, your reference reports that 83 mg/kg for an adult was not lethal. But this whole body dose certainly exceeds the IAL-CHD LDLO 60 mg kg-1/4w-i at http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/TH/thimerosal.html .

    And so finally, third, to rephrase the issue in those different terms – the point is that lethal dose is not the concern with flu shots using thimerosal preservative. The concern is non lethal doses causing chronic effects–i.e. the impact of nano molar concentrations of mercury in the brain from thimerosal exposure, via vaccine preservative, on a developing brain of an infant.

  6. Jim Thompson May 10, 2011 at 00:07 #

    Correction:

    The Axton 1972 reported lethal IM Thimerosal dose for the child (listed as case no. 4) was 71.4 mg/kg.

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