David Geier ordered to pay $10,000 for practicing medicine without a license

13 Aug

David Geier is the son in a father-son team which ran a clinic purporting to treat autism through such unproven and biologically implausible methods as chelation and lupron.  In addition, the team produced questionable quality research promoting the link between autism and vaccines.  While Mark Geier holds an M.D., David Geier holds no degree nor other qualifications in medicine.

The Maryland State Board of Physicians charged Mr. Geier with practicing medicine without a license and, recently, the board found him guilty and fined him $10,000. Mr. Geier has the right to appleal. More details can be found in the Board’s order.


by Matt Carey

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27 Responses to “David Geier ordered to pay $10,000 for practicing medicine without a license”

  1. psychtld August 13, 2012 at 06:41 #

    Bastard got off very light!

  2. Darwy August 13, 2012 at 12:03 #

    He got off more than light. That’s not even a slap on the wrist!

  3. Broken Link August 13, 2012 at 13:02 #

    David Geier sounds like he’s learned everything he knows about autism by reading yahoo groups. It’s all there – the mis-spelling of the full name for PDD-NOS, the use of the word “stemming” when he means “stimming”. The “oh, I’m so smart, I’ll pretend the kid doesn’t have autism but has some other diagnosis to get the insurance company to pay for the tests” (in this case “insommnia, NOS” and “metabolic disorder, NOS”)!

    Totally amateur. What a maroon. But a dangerous maroon.

  4. Saraquill August 13, 2012 at 14:31 #

    I’m happy he got into trouble, but the fine should have been much higher.

  5. Science Mom August 13, 2012 at 17:33 #

    Condidering the harm he inflicted on children and the insurance fraud he perpetuated, a higher fine would be nice. Although this probably does cut into his Viagra and wife’s anti-aging treatment budget considerably. Sorry, I know that was tacky but I couldn’t resist.

  6. Allison August 13, 2012 at 23:07 #

    David Geier should have gone to jail. $10,000 is nothing compared to the number of families he’s duped over the years, the expensive and useless tests he ordered, and the suffering he’s caused with his advocacy of chelation and Lupron.

  7. Ashley August 14, 2012 at 02:37 #

    I’ve been chelating myself for a year and have amazing success. It’s dangerous when it’s done improperly– like many other medical treatments. You have to dose the chelator on its half-life otherwise you’re just redistributing metals. Many, many doctors do it improperly and can cause more damage. IV chelation is very dangerous, that’s why the child died from EDTA. EDTA shouldn’t even be used for chelation, actually, because there are other chelators that are safer like DMSA. Completely dismissing chelation because most people don’t know how to do it is ridiculous. DMPS Backfire is valid and most people using Andy Cutler’s chelation protocol will acknowledge there are many WRONG ways of chelating, and that’s because any kind of IV chelation just mobilizes these metals in amounts that are too great for your body to excrete and so causes more damage. Taking low-dose frequent DMPS is amazing though. I’ve recovered from some 60 symptoms of autoimmune disease and late-onset Asperger’s.

    All mammals excrete metals when given chelators, and all mammals in the industrial world have heavy metal toxicity to some degree. Removing the toxicity slowly and safely is beneficial but can be abused like any other medical treatment. How much malpractice occurs in hospitals and clinics that aren’t related to chelation? A lot.

    How can you criticize the removal of mercury from the body in the safest way possible? I understand criticizing the misuse of chelators, but that isn’t the issue here. If there was a way to snap your fingers and remove all the toxins from your daughter’s body (not limited to metals), would you not do it? If you wouldn’t, then that is abuse.

    • Sullivan August 14, 2012 at 03:09 #

      Ashley,

      what does this have to do with the discussion above?

      Why would I go on the internet or to a book to use Andy Cutler’s “protocol”? He’s an engineer, right? Why wouldn’t I go to a medical toxicologist? Wouldn’t going to a professional who was trained in exactly this field be the “safest way possible” to proceed?

      My body and my kid’s body deserve the best. Professional attention. Not self-service medicine based on a non professional’s ill supported opinions.

    • Allison August 14, 2012 at 03:56 #

      Chelation is for actual heavy metal exposure. There is no mercury in childhood vaccines (except for the flu vaccine). There is no scientific evidence that chelation does anything good to a healthy person. There is no reason to use chelation on autistic children, who are not mercury poisoned. Vaccines are not toxins.

      • Chris August 14, 2012 at 05:10 #

        Correction: half of the influenza vaccines for children are thimerosal free. (and one of the three DTaP vaccines as a “trace” of thimerosal)

        In reality, all vaccines recommended for children in the USA come in a thimerosal free form. And many states require that only thimerosal-free vaccines be given to children.

      • Allison August 14, 2012 at 14:05 #

        True, Chris, and I should have clarified that about the flu vaccine. Thanks!

      • joejoe August 14, 2012 at 14:14 #

        Here is a study that shows all autistic children tested, also tested positive for mercury, yes still found in toxic vaccines in trace amounts, and administered to pregnant mothers via the Flu vaccine in full dose. Yes vaccines do cause autism, there has never been a study to disprove the link, unless you of course look at the rigged studies done by Big Pharma, all others show a link!http://psychiatry-research-eg.com/texts/current-psychiatry-v18n1-11/2.pdf

      • MikeMa August 14, 2012 at 14:25 #

        joejoe,
        What is the mercury mania about? Thimerosal was almost completely removed without any change in autism rates. (Actually a slight increase IIRC.) The ethyl mercury in thimerosal is quickly excreted without chelation. There are mercury-free flu vaccines for those considered at risk, pregnant women. Find another bone to chew.

        As to the Geiers, the $10k is no fine at all and will be hailed by the groupies as a victory. They should both be in jail and should both be sued for insurance fraud. I really hate subsidizing their immoral and useless activities with my premiums.

      • Roger Kulp August 14, 2012 at 16:08 #

        Antivaxers will always change the subject.Usually back to their favorite topics of “metals”,”mercury”,and “toxins”.It gets tiresome,but you learn to ignore them.Even if Geier had to go to prison,he would still be considered a hero,because he’s a Brave Maverick Doctor ©.

        I recently saw a figure that said only twenty per cent of those born with autism before 1990 were ever diagnosed.Is it any wonder there was suddenly an “epidemic” after the DSM-IV widened the criteria,yet how often have you heard this figure?

        WTF is “late onset Asperger’s”?

    • Saraquill August 14, 2012 at 16:21 #

      How on earth does one get “late-onset” Asperger’s when it’s a lifelong condition? Perhaps you mean late diagnosis?

  8. lilady August 14, 2012 at 08:17 #

    Only a $10,000 fine for David (not a doc) Geier? Can’t we hope that both Geiers and their fraudulent billing practices will come to the attention of the insurance companies they defrauded…and that criminal charges will be brought against these chemical castrating father-son team?

    No matter what their offenses are, no matter that Mark and David Geier did grievous harm to defenseless developmentally disabled kids…they…like the disgraced Andrew Wakefield…will always be welcome at the Autism One yearly conferences:

    http://www.autismone.org/content/biological-basis-autism-causation-and-treatment

    • autismjungle August 14, 2012 at 10:13 #

      @lilady:

      Can’t we hope that both Geiers and their fraudulent billing practices will come to the attention of the insurance companies they defrauded…and that criminal charges will be brought against these chemical castrating father-son team?

      I agree, and I hope the Insurance companies actually sue the Geiers to recover the money they defrauded.

  9. gramma nazaa August 14, 2012 at 12:24 #

    “ghe right to appeal”? “ghe”? Jesus, does no one proof their work anymore?

    • Ros August 14, 2012 at 13:15 #

      The Internet is where grammar and spelling come to die. This is not an English essay.

    • Sullivan August 14, 2012 at 20:01 #

      My guess is that there are some people who proof their work. In this case I obviously didn’t do a good job of it. This case and many others, I might add. Thanks for the correction.

  10. lilady August 14, 2012 at 13:16 #

    gramma nazaa: Have you anything to add to the discussion? Or do you just cruise blogs in your self-appointed-spelling-pedant role?

  11. joejoe August 14, 2012 at 14:07 #

    The Geiers have been attacked by the Big Pharma Drug Cartels for exposing them at the UN for promoting toxic vaccines laced with mercury, that’s why he was fined 10,000. What kind of quacks are these other doctors that just go along injecting toxins into our children without even looking into their effects!

    • MikeMa August 14, 2012 at 14:29 #

      @joejoe,
      Your conspiracy theories are delusional. Any proof of toxicity in vaccines? Which ones? What is the precise definition of laced? Do you understand the difference between ethyl and methyl mercury? Hint: One is far more dangerous. Hint 2: It is not the one used in VERY SMALL doses in a VERY SMALL number of vaccines.

  12. Science Mom August 14, 2012 at 14:41 #

    Here is a study that shows all autistic children tested, also tested positive for mercury, yes still found in toxic vaccines in trace amounts, and administered to pregnant mothers via the Flu vaccine in full dose.

    Are the anti-vaxxers getting crazier or have I just been reading this drek for too long? ZOMG joejoe and guess what?! Mercury can be found in NT children’s hair too. So which is it, toxic or trace and do you know the difference? Also, what kind of mercury and what other exposures do we have?

    Yes vaccines do cause autism, there has never been a study to disprove the link, unless you of course look at the rigged studies done by Big Pharma,

    Oh do tell joejoe, which “big pharma” studies found no negative association between vaccines and autism? Your prose read to me like, there are no studies except the ones that were done but someone told me they were faked or something like that.

  13. David N. Brown August 15, 2012 at 09:04 #

    I am inclined to give JoeJoe the benefit of a doubt and allow that his comment COULD be a parody… though this is one case where it’s disturbingly hard to tell.

    I reported on the Geiers at some length back in 2009. Even by “curebie” standards, they are the bottom of the barrel. I stand by what I called for then: Charging them with child abuse, which HAS been done in at least one prior case of irresponsible use of Lupron. The only thing that could be more fitting would be to make them use their own “product”…

    David N. Brown
    Mesa, Arizona
    http://www.evilpossum.weebly.com
    http://www.autismandreligion.weebly.com

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