If MMS, CD, chlorine dioxide, “parasite protocol” is safe, why does ClO2 dissolve tissue?

15 Jan

One of the marketing ploys for MMS* is that it somehow attacks viruses, bacteria, parasites, heavy metals, toxins and more but doesn’t affect human tissue. It’s safe! Of course this is from the same people who said that it isn’t a bleach. Emily Willingham did a very simple and elegant demonstration that, MMS: Yes, It Is Bleach. Put a few drops on a black cloth and, lo an behold, it bleaches it.

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I thought about taking this to the next step–putting some drops on raw meat to see how much tissue would be bleached. Then I thought, I wonder if there’s a study on this already? Consider this paper, Comparison of Organic Tissue Dissolution Capacities of Sodium Hypochlorite and Chlorine Dioxide (full paper here).

Organic tissue dissolution capacity. In other words: how well do these solutions dissolve tissue.

According to the main site promoting MMS as an autism cure:

What is MMS?

MMS stands for Master Mineral Solution. It’s chemical name is Chlorine Dioxide (ClO2). ClO2 is a gas that is produced as a result of combining 2 liquids, Sodium Chlorite (NaClO2) and citric acid. When added to the sodium chlorite, the citric acid brings the combined pH level to under five, causing the sodium chlorite to become unstable and release chorine dioxide. (ClO2) Chlorine dioxide is an oxidizer with a lower oxidation potential (.95 V) than any of the other oxidizers in the human body.

MMS starts out as sodium chlorite, not the hypochlorite as mentioned in the paper. But the final solution contains ClO2, the same as one tested in the above paper. In that paper they were exploring whether these solutions (sodium hypochlorite and ClO2) could be used in dental work. They wanted to test whether ClO2 solutions would have an effect on tissue, in this case the pulp from the inside of teeth. They already knew that sodium hypochlorite dissolved tissue.

What did they find? When they put tooth pulp (taken from cows) into these solutions, after 20 minutes about 28% of the tissue was dissolved.

Dissolved.

In ClO2 solution.

But wait, you say. That’s a paper using cow teeth, published in Turkey. Realizing that this argument would come up, I searched for more papers. Such as Effect of chlorine dioxide and sodium hypochlorite on the dissolution of human pulp tissue e An in vitro study. Which concludes

5% Chlorine dioxide is capable of dissolving human pulp tissue but sodium hypochlorite was more effective.

Or

Comparison of Organic Tissue Dissolution Capacities of NaOCl and ClO2

Conclusion: Within the limitations of this in vitro study, it was concluded that ClO2 is efficient as well as NaOCl in dissolving organic tissue.

Not all tissues are the same. Skin, especially the dead skin in the outer layer, is likely more resistant than tooth pulp. But, how about the intestinal lining (a consideration for those using this as an enema solution)? Or once absorbed in the stomach (for those taking an oral route) or the esophagus?

OK, it dissolves tissues. But why go to these papers? How about just looking at the MSDS? People have long brought out the MSDS for thimerosal to tell us that it should be removed from vaccines. The MSDS for thimerosal shows that the LD50 level (the exposure where 1/2 of the test animals died, lethal dose 50) is Acute oral toxicity (LD50): 75 mg/kg [Rat] for thimerosal. A chlorine dioxide solution of 0.054 weight% Chlorine Dioxide is less toxic than thimerosal, with an LD50 (oral) rats: 292 mg/kg. So, it would take about 4 times as much chlorine dioxide solution at this concentration to kill a rat as thimerosal.

The thing is, people don’t drink thimerosal solutions. Or do so repeatedly. People are encouraged to drink MMS.

Consider what happens if we increase the concentration of ClO2. Up the concentration to 3% ClO2 in water and it is as toxic as thimerosal. But, again, dose makes the poison and the dose of ClO2 from MMS is much higher than the dose of thimerosal from a vaccine.

The idea that MMS, or CD or Chlorine Dioxide is somehow a magical solution which rids the body of harmful substances while having no effect on human tissues is just flat out incorrect. It dissolves organic tissue. It’s toxic and the doses are significant.

(*MMS is “miracle mineral solution”, a relatively new bit of alternative medicine that is being sold as an autism cure. It has been promoted at parent conventions such as Autism One and by the blog The Age of Autism. It is a scam and if the discussion above wasn’t clear: it should be avoided.)


By Matt Carey

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681 Responses to “If MMS, CD, chlorine dioxide, “parasite protocol” is safe, why does ClO2 dissolve tissue?”

  1. Intelligent Being to these SHEEPLE October 25, 2015 at 12:39 #

    We all know that these agenda pushers are going to support the medical industry in making billions of dollars off of hardworking Americans that just want to live a healthy life. FEAR is the medical industries best defense against the truth-seekers. CD water is helping people with several health issues some being terminal, others like autism that the Medical Industry have yet to find cures. Unlike pharmas with their long list of side effects to keep you handing over money for more meds and treatment. CD water is actually helping people, the problem is BIG PHARMA and MEDICAL INDUSTRY pawns are scared that they will lose money if a more affordable alternative solution to health issues puts them on blast. I’m sorry to be the one to have to tell u agenda pushers that if the medical industry you guys put your faith in does bring to the table a somewhat feasible solution to autism, it will not be a long term cure.. It will be a long drawn out treatment process forcing people into bankruptcy when trying to get a handle on the bills they’ll acquire. Call me crazy but isn’t it insanity to keep trying the same thing over and over expecting a different end result? Its like you sheeple don’t want a cure.. Here’s CD water is helping autistic kids but you all are here complaining that the cure is not a good cure.. BUT ITS WORKING!! that’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard in my entire life.

    • wzrd1 October 25, 2015 at 12:47 #

      Yes, chlorine dioxide is very, very useful – in decontaminating water supplies and is quickly neutralized, so that people aren’t sickened by a high chlorine residual.
      No autism is being “cured” by burning the gastrointestinal tract with high concentration chlorine dioxide and water, they are being tortured, but not treated.
      Only in the US are people bankrupted over medical issues, every other industrialized nation has universal health care that is free of charge.
      Of course, you’d have to learn about the world to actually know that.
      Sell, your woo elsewhere, where science isn’t accepted. Here, we stick with evidence based medicine and science.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) October 25, 2015 at 22:49 #

      “Call me crazy but isn’t it insanity to keep trying the same thing over and over expecting a different end result? ”

      Funny–you are the 20th person to come here and do exactly the same thing.

      Fail to provide any evidence to back up your clams? Check.
      Insult everyone else (ad hominem attack, poison the well)? Check.
      Claim or insinuate that it’s a “big pharma” conspiracy? Check.

      Ironic how you people throw around the term “sheeple” when you are carbon copies of eachother.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) October 25, 2015 at 22:50 #

        Oh, I forgot–

        claim that you are more intelligent than the “sheeple”? Check.

      • wzrd1 October 25, 2015 at 23:00 #

        Carbon copies or sock puppets?
        Usually, the turn of phrase gives them away, as well as their IP address, but not always. Some socks have intelligence slightly greater than a cinder block and switch up the use of language and use an IP anonymizer. Those can occasionally be found out by a user agent probe from the web server.

      • Attack of the sheeple October 25, 2015 at 23:27 #

        Lol… Why would i want to post anonymously when im just stating the obvious.. however u might know my ip address if u dont know anything else.. but what does that mean? I could have used my vpn but why? I guess thats a sheeps only defense when backed into a corner.. state the fact that u know my ip address. Just to find out that I know my way around when it comes to computers and “hacking” so to speak. So take your empty threats and mms poison propaganda and shove it up ur ass.. oh yeah “Check”.

      • wzrd1 October 26, 2015 at 01:05 #

        I’ll address two points at once, as it’s “late” for me.
        I do work a shift at a security operations center and volunteered to replace a junior member upon his departure.

        First, using “sheeple” proves zero cause, it’s ad hominem, Google it.
        Second, I routinely use anonymizer services to research threats to our organization. It’s trivial enough that one with the general intelligence of a cinder block could achieve just that very thing.
        Finally, as I am tired and need to go abed, I have a full two dozen e-mail addresses, as do many others.
        Welcome to the technological age.

        But, you’ve entirely refrained from providing evidence based facts, yet again.
        As usual, for your peers.
        Keep talking/typing. I have a really nice program that identifies people. It’s a US government intelligence tool and external intelligence tool.
        Want to play? I’m less than a half mile from FANX for a reason.
        Google that as well.

      • louveha October 26, 2015 at 00:11 #

        Where you read a “threat”, I read puzzlement at yet another poster using the same old arguments, without any sources, in a very similar manner.
        In case you were honestly confused : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)
        An admin checking a poster’s IP in order to determine if he is a sock puppet is not threatening him if the poster is honestly parroting what the others before him said.

      • Dr.D December 14, 2015 at 08:46 #

        BEFORE you go on a rant about CDS. Interview people who take it, Ask for medical records which the red cross has even ADMITTED TO SEEING WHILE THEY WENT TO AFRICA AND SAW FIRST HAND BEFORE AND AFTER MEDICAL TESTING.TALK to JIM HUMBLE.he is not hard to find..CONTACT ANDREAS, AND ASK QUESTIONS..DON’T BE AN IDIOT AND JUST STARTING RIPPING SOMETHING BECAUSE YOUR BRAIN LACKS THE CAPACITY FOR UNDERSTANDING IT’S COMPLEXITY. it is a little scary..so is ANYTHING that is new and not well known ..but don’t jump to conclusions EITHER WAY…try it, or ask questions to the people who are CHEMIST’S and can ANSWER YOU! YOUR BRAIN JUST THINKS “BLEACH! ” and then you shit your pants and run away with hatred. man up………IT CURES MALARIA..the red cross was there, they helped, they admitted it worked, and the government stepped on their neck hard and made them change their story a year later BUT…THEY ACTUALLY TRAVELED TO THOSE PEOPLE to see it work..( WHICH IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IF YOU WANT PROOF..GET OFF YOUR BUTT and stop expecting proof TO SHOW UP VIA EMAIL ) YOU THINK PEOPLE CURED OF MALARIA in third world countries CARE ABOUT YOU OR YOUR OPINION? It is safe taken in the appropriate doses. it IS a type of bleach…but so is a LEMON.get over it…Your body is not the same environment as where you do your little tissue dissolving test.the real thing here is it seems people attacking CDS are SCARED to put in the work and actually talk to those of us who USE IT.You seem addicted to repeating what others who have NEVER taken it, and have ZERO chemistry background,keep saying, in order to attack those of us trying to help ourselves and others.
        eats through tissue? how do you explain not only the amount of people without agenda’s that are being cured, but the fact that thousands have taken it…….. for years..without tissue “dissolving” or degeneration. maybe it dissolves some tissue.. and that tissue grows back if its harmed..I don’t know. neither do you. You assume..I go on facts. Anything in high doses is bad..but in the RIGHT amount..cds has beneficial effects. listen to this… I have a letter from my city saying i should put bleach in my drinking water…( REALLY )… YEAH… read that again if you missed it the first time…SACRAMENTO CALIFORNIA…they are telling people to drink BLEACH!!!! so please..realize you are attacking something that is helping thousands of people.. YET YOU HAVE NEVER USED IT!!! Talk about IGNORANCE in FULL EFFECT..smh. all those people..and you can;t put in the effort to talk to one of them…lazy or maybe you dont want to know the truth…i dont know ..but lets not forget..you didn’t even bring up the MOST important part which is the electron transfer which is the KEY to the entire process for killing bad pathogens….I admit..this is all new to science..and they are still figuring out how it is so selective..but when you miss out on the key part in your attack and just start screaming “BLEACH” like a ten year old.. you have exposed enough of your intelligence to the world that there is no discussion needed with a mentality like yours , which seems to purposely ignore things which are necessary to focus on in order to gain a better understanding of whats going on here.

      • Gray Falcon December 14, 2015 at 14:21 #

        There were large numbers of people who thought bloodletting cured their conditions. Testimonials don’t mean much on their own, no matter how many capital letters you use.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) December 14, 2015 at 23:27 #

        Before going on a rant about how MMS is not a scam, especially if you want to repeat the “Red Cross” lie, read the comments above.

        “I have a letter from my city saying i should put bleach in my drinking water”

        How long do they recommend you wait before actually drinking the water? People use bleach to disinfect water, but the recommendations are to wait for the bleach to dissipate before drinking.

        Again, had you read the comments above, you would know that.

        “you have exposed enough of your intelligence to the world that there is no discussion needed with a mentality like yours , which seems to purposely ignore things which are necessary to focus on in order to gain a better understanding of whats going on here.”

        Let’s see. You come to a disability focus blog and use a lack of intelligence as a slur. Stigmatizing language which makes life harder for people like my kid.

        Did you purposely ignore that? Did you purposely ignore the other facts I mention above (by ignoring the comments above)? Which is to say, it is very ironic that you throw your claim of purposely ignoring facts around.

        I am sorry you got caught by the MMS scam. My sympathy for you ends when you come here and defend the abuse of disabled children. Which is what the MMS “cure” of autism is.

        So, how does it feel to be supporting an effort that abuses disabled children?

      • wzrd1 December 15, 2015 at 09:06 #

        I’ve noticed a singular failure of every person who says “YoU aRe StUpId”, with of course, random capitalization.
        Then, the writer tries to convince the reader with, “They traveled to see them”, but will ignore those who *did* travel to the same places the writer speaks of.
        Then, the writer shows a phenomenal lack of comprehension about the body, as MMS has to either magically move from the stomach or ass to make it into red blood cells and magically kill the protozoan, but selectively ignore the highly reactive heme molecule in the same cell.

        Still, the writer is welcome to discuss chemistry and especially, organic chemistry when the writer can explain the difference between methyl and ethyl in organic chemistry and then, what the difference between a polymer and monomer.

      • AzBansidhe September 22, 2016 at 18:09 #

        Big pharma conspiracy? It’s not a conspiracy that big pharma DOES NOT have peoples best interest in mind. There are over two million people seriously injured annually by prescription drugs. According to FDA death by pharmaceuticals is the 4th leading cause of death in the U.S. Approximately 100,000 deaths per year due to adverse reactions to prescription drugs; due to the allopaths love of pushing an rx….. medicines that people expected to help them, not kill them! Those stats don’t even account for accidental overdose. Nah,,,, no conspiracy when the facts are in plain view.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) September 22, 2016 at 18:20 #

        How many deaths are there from alternative treatments? That’s right, we have no idea because things like MMS have no reporting system.

        But you don’t seem to care about that. Just bashing drugs that are actually tested, actually work and where adverse reactions are actually studied and reported.

      • wzrd1 September 23, 2016 at 17:44 #

        Let’s review a case.
        Male, mid 50’s, BP 200/100, resting pulse 128, has 2.2 cm aortic dilation.
        Now, I could go homeopathic and get 99.9% diluted nothing but water and expire.
        I could go with 10 mg amlodipine, 50 mg metoprolol BID and I’m down to 10 mg methimazole to address the hyperthyroidism that caused the excessive pulse and BP.
        Side effect of the methimazole is elevated liver enzymes. Something very well documented.

        Now, had I not taken those drugs, my aorta would’ve ruptured and I’d do that dead thing. Being dead tends to really ruin your weekend plans.
        So, I have some feelings about people like you, who misrepresent facts, reject evidence based medicine. I doubt that my opinion of you could be lower, but I’m sure that you’ll disimprove that opinion as time goes on.

  2. Confused November 15, 2015 at 18:37 #

    I have tried to read and follow the argument in this comment thread and appreciate the passion of both sides. I prefer facts over opinion or even theory, for that matter. I think both sides have offered a lot of each.

    The critics argue that it is bleach and unsafe for use while the proponents argue that it is perfectly safe. However, one thing that struck me was, if Chlorine Dioxide is so detrimental to humans that consume it and use it in enemas, where is the pile of bodies? I can’t find any articles or links in this discussion showing a pile of bodies.

    With so many people using this product and promoted protocol for what appears to be several years in my estimation, there should certainly be news releases about children who have been killed or damaged by this if it is so harmful, shouldn’t there? What am I missing?

    • Gray Falcon November 15, 2015 at 19:28 #

      You’re missing the intestinal linings people are passing out.

      • Confused November 15, 2015 at 19:56 #

        I have seen the pictures of the masses being passed and understand the concern there. However, if Chlorine Dioxide is so harmful, as you and others have argued, wouldn’t/shouldn’t there be story after story of a child being killed by it, especially with so many people using it over such a long period of time?

        I am not arguing for or against the use, I am just looking for data showing the use is harmful substantiated by related deaths. There has to be something out there, doesn’t there?

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) November 15, 2015 at 22:59 #

        Confused–

        you are clearly an MMS supporter trolling here. The faux “confused” approach is transparent.

        You propose a system whereby something has to be proved harmful or it can be used. MMS is harmful. But it is on those promoting it to provide evidence of safety and efficacy. They can’t. All they can do is provide a lot of pseudoscience and denial. And people like you trolling disability focused websites in order to create confusion.

    • Sheeple cry wolf November 15, 2015 at 21:32 #

      You aren’t missing anything but the propaganda they are trying to sell you. They just choose to use the harmful chemical tactics to scare people away. They never use facts just the idea that you should not drink bleach that u clean your house and clothes with… and i agree but its an exaggeration. If you go to your local sporting goods store and visit the camping section there will be a specific area designated for water purification… there you will find several products of different brands that are typically used to purify water that u would come across in the outdoors camping and survival scenarios… these ingredients are the self same ingredients found in cds water or mms water… there are no extra added ingredients… ITS THE SAME THING. They have been around for a long time and if it wasnt safe they wouldnt sell it. What does make it unsafe is improper use… same with anything else if u dont read simple instructions you’re risking your own life.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) November 16, 2015 at 04:25 #

        “here you will find several products of different brands that are typically used to purify water that u would come across in the outdoors camping and survival scenarios”

        Already discussed many times above.

        With water purification tablets, one waits for the chlorine dioxide to dissipate before ingesting. So your example shows the opposite of what you are trying to demonstrate.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) November 15, 2015 at 22:48 #

      “if Chlorine Dioxide is so detrimental to humans that consume it and use it in enemas, where is the pile of bodies? I”

      Do a search for pictures of the “worms” that are found in the feces of disabled children “treated” with this nonsense. Those are intestinal linings. Even the proponents of MMS admit that they don’t test positive for being a worm.

      So, if your limit is dead bodies, well how about trying “suffering” and “needless damage”?

      People tried bloodletting for centuries. I guess since so many people did it, it was a good idea. Using your logic.

    • Wee Kiong September 15, 2016 at 10:26 #

      I have used many times and I am better for it. I used it to detox my body.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) September 22, 2016 at 18:08 #

        Random person on the internet says bleach is good. No evidence. Sure, I’ll try that on my disabled kid. Because, you know, why actually think this through for myself?

      • wzrd1 September 23, 2016 at 17:15 #

        I dunno, I’d probably go with using MMS to disinfect a municipal water supply, might even use it in a swimming pool – titrated carefully, of course.
        Beyond that, industrial chemicals belong in industrial use, not pseudoscientific sham medical use.

  3. David December 30, 2015 at 15:57 #

    Well apparently the U.S. Army thinks Cl02 is good enough. http://www.army.mil/article/136641/Natick_plays_key_role_in_helping_to_fight_spread_of_Ebola

    • louveha December 30, 2015 at 18:39 #

      What is it you guys don’t understand in “on surfaces” ?
      “surface of objects” =/= “directly inside the body”

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) December 30, 2015 at 18:57 #

        Exactly. First sentence of the linked article “Researchers at the U.S. Army Natick Soldier Research, Development and Engineering Center here, invented a next-generation disinfectant system that kills the Ebola virus on surfaces. “

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) December 30, 2015 at 18:59 #

        The nice thing about David’s comment is that it shows the lack of logic and irrelevant evidence that MMS believers use.

      • wzrd1 December 30, 2015 at 20:49 #

        Well, sanitizing surfaces of objects and equipment is obviously enteric or something.
        Even if it isn’t.

    • wzrd1 December 30, 2015 at 20:48 #

      We’ve used bleach of various sorts to disinfect surfaces and even drinking water.
      We have used calcium hypochlorite, sodium hypochlorite for water purification, super tropical bleach for chemical warfare agent neutralization. Some water purification for large scale purification use MMS or chlorine dioxide as a disinfection, then reacts the residual away to either zero or 10 parts per million chlorine residual.
      Notice that number? Ten times the level used in swimming pools only, 15 parts per million for contaminated water and a half hour to forty five minute contact time.

      Not that nonsensical “parasite protocol”, which does not exist in evidence based medicine.

  4. florencia podesta February 2, 2016 at 20:37 #

    there is only one answer to this discussion. When you have a cold..try it!!!! what happens next will be a doubtless fact, whatever it is.

    • louveha February 2, 2016 at 20:58 #

      The fact that you suggest this show that you didn’t follow “this discussion”. “Try it yourself” has been suggested a gazillion times and a half, with always the same answer : this method doesn’t prove anything.
      (Also : “A treated cold lasts a week, an untreated cold lasts seven days”)

      • MammaZoey February 3, 2016 at 16:39 #

        Wow. I was searching for more recent info on MMS, but I think I found halfway to ridiculous instead. Haha, I have 6 kids and a granddaughter, s o it’s kinda familiar.
        I guess it is good that folks get together and share ideas. And I guess a few of us will get butt-hurt when we think we are right and are told otherwise.
        “Try and see” isn’t such a bad idea. How many of us have been to a medical professional that has told us – let’s see if this kind of med in this dose works, if not come back and we’ll adjust it.
        Our bodies are wonderful and strange……AND different. What works for one WILL NOT work for all. Or even most. I DO use MMS. And I give it to my children. One of my little one suffered for 2 years with chronic infections in his lymph nodes. Sooo many different antibiotics. I had already taken MMS a few times. He’s the 1st of my children that I gave it to. It worked. Instead of waiting a week with antibiotics, the lymphnode swelling was gone in 2 days, the pain in the 1st day. A year later, I used it to rid my entire house (8 people at the time) of strep-throat (yes, doctor confirmed) in just 4 days.
        I’m not expirienced, unlucky, or smart enough to say this stuff is a cure-all. But I do know it works well for everyday heath issues.
        Organic substances need maintained and a good cleaning now and then. It makes sense that our bodies need oxidizers AND anti-oxidants.
        Maybe if we do our best to keep our bodies clean and healthy our brains will be cleaner and healthier as well! 🙂
        And please remember dosage, folks. The whole patrs per million thing. Nowhere, NOWHERE do any of the true suggestions for MMS say take it diffectly. The book states NOT to breath it as you mix your couple, just a couple of drops. Then you MUST dilute it. And how harmful can something be when 6 oz of orange juice will nutrilize it almost instantly??
        Thank you for the interesting read. Just a mom with a day off so please don’t judge my spelling and grammer too harshly. 🙂

        Good bless, good day and health to you all.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 3, 2016 at 17:25 #

        “Try and see” isn’t such a bad idea. How many of us have been to a medical professional that has told us – let’s see if this kind of med in this dose works, if not come back and we’ll adjust it.

        Charlatans count on people like you who will rationalize paying them money for fake medicine. “It’s just like real medicine ‘try and see’.” Except that (a) there

        ” I DO use MMS.”

        I’m sorry. I’m sorry you are easily fooled. I am sorry that you don’t value your own body and health enough to get the best. I am sorry you are allowing yourself to be a victim. Charlatans count on people believing so strongly that they will carry the message for them. They count on you being their sales person.

        That said–

        WHEN YOU COME TO A DISABILITY FOCUSED WEBSITE AND PROMOTE FAKE CURES THAT ARE ABUSIVE, YOU ARE A PART OF THE PROBLEM.

        You, “MamaZoey” are promoting the abuse of disabled children. It’s as simple as that.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 3, 2016 at 17:28 #

        “Just a mom with a day off so please don’t judge my spelling and grammer too harshly.”

        When the content of your message is so obviously wrong. When you come here to a disability focused website to sell fake cures that are abusive to disabled children (and adults), why would I care about your spelling and grammar?

        Take a look at the pictures of the “worms” or “parasites” that are passed in the stools of children subjected to MMS enemas. Now consider that those are not parasites but, instead, the intestinal linings from those children. And you are helping to cause that to happen.

        Grammar? Spelling? So far down the list in what is wrong with your comment.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 3, 2016 at 17:31 #

      there is only one answer to this discussion. When you have a cold..try it!!!! what happens next will be a doubtless fact, whatever it is.

      Charlatans know they can count on a certain part of the population being taken in by this fake logic. They know they can count on people like you becoming their advertisers.

      Where can I find the “facts” about MMS? Where do people register adverse reactions? Heck, most people deny the adverse reactions. Pass the intestinal lining because your twice daily bleach enemas are not really safe? Call them parasites, rebrand it as the “parasite protocol” and claim victory.

      Seriously, you’ve been scammed.

      • Angry Autistic Child Parent February 3, 2016 at 22:11 #

        Im still waiting for you idiots to post facts about how people are dying from MMS. You post no evidence whatsoever but u keep saying “hey look at the childs shit, it has intestines in it”… The same assholes that apparently disect turds with a microscope looking for a reason not to use MMS are the same assholes who are letting their children suffer from autism. However U can keep browsing the web to find MMS working over and over again.. by people of more professional and scientific backgrounds saying… MMS killed this disease.. this virus.. Yet you losers are still here ATTACKING people with honest concerns for their children.. most of which have used MMS and have seen positive results. How about since u dont use MMS u disect your on shit with a microscope and tell me if u find your brain cells there…

        Have a good day dumb fuckers..

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 4, 2016 at 22:12 #

        Frankly I don’t think you are the parent of an autistic child. For one thing people who use fake therapies tend to avoid the term “autistic” over “child with autism” or, in your case, “autism parent”.

        If you are, then shame on you for using disability terms as epithets. Actually, shame on you either way. “dumb”, “idiot” and claims of lack of brain cells as insults are stigmatizing language that show immense disrespect for people with intellectual disability. Pretty much par for the course for many of the MMS supporters–you don’t give a damned out my community, you just want to defend your bad choice.

        You appear to be yet another convert to the MMS ideology. One who thinks s/he can troll me into an angry response. You’ll have to try harder. But, please, leave comments like this around the web. Let everyone know the sort of people who promote MMS.

      • wzrd1 February 5, 2016 at 22:55 #

        “The same assholes that apparently disect turds with a microscope looking for a reason not to use MMS are the same assholes who are letting their children suffer from autism.”

        Fascinating! Proctologists, internists and lab workers are assholes because they examine stool samples under a microscope?!
        Nobody has ever cured autism. Ever. There is no cure for what is not a disease.

        MMS has valid uses, but not in human medicine – it’s too reactive and floods any part of the body its applied to with free radicals in the form of chlorine, which is a strong oxidizer. It’s worse than squirting concentrated hydrochloric acid into the intestine!

        As for the rest of your rant, I just wonder, is that the same mouth that you french kiss your mother with?

  5. MammaZoey February 7, 2016 at 05:58 #

    God help us if this is what passes for intelligent conversation!
    wzrd 1 appears to be prretty smart, but that last comment was so rude and unnecessary. And Sullivan is so angrry. I think he should be, but not toward people just looking for information.
    Get frustrated, get pissed off, get fu**ing furious about people trying to get over on others, especially the disadvantaged ones. But don’t take it out on other people.
    Fight for information, knowledge, truth and experience. I read what wzrd 1 says, but there IS plenty of documented proof out there about the effects of MMS, how it works in the body. And antibiotics. And immune boosters.
    We ALL have to keep in mind there a very manipulative predators out there and even a**holes just trying to get sick kicks. That doesn’t mean we bury our heads in the sand or demand a book of proof before believing. It means we support each other in the search to better ourselves and find out what works for each individual us.
    Sullivan, instead of getting so mad, start experimenting. Remove ALL artificial. foods from the kitchen. Really. Nothing with dyes, fake flavors, msg….. Maybe you’ve read about this in some health nut/scam/worry-wart page, but it does help, says the voice of experience. That’s a great idea for anyone reading this. Learn to love to read – labels, ingredients, books, web pages…… If you want to take care of yourself and if you have anyone else to take care of, you’ll need to do a lot of it.
    You all take care and have a good weekend.

    • wzrd1 February 7, 2016 at 14:00 #

      I’ll admit, I do get quite rude when it comes to harming children with such insane quackery. I am a bit more prone of late to go off early and unpleasantly, as I am currently suffering from hyperthyroidism just shy of a thyroid storm, so if I bite, I apologize in advance.
      I’m extremely pro-evidence based medicine and extremely against woo peddling. If it’s an effective remedy, one can run evidence based testing to prove the remedy.
      A example is willow bark tea, which contains salicylic acid, an excellent anti-inflammatory, anti-pyretic and even relieves pain associated with arthritis.
      It’ll also give one a nasty ulcer in short order. A bright chemist made it artificial by the esterification of the phenolic hydroxyl group of salicylic acid with the acetyl group from acetic anhydride or acetyl chloride, turning it into acetylsalicylic acid, aka aspirin. That lowered the ulcer rate tremendously, methylating it instead turns it into Ben Gay (and other brands of muscle pain ointments). One can still acquire salicylic acid – for external use only, Compound W. It’s so powerful an acid that it’ll dissolve a wart.
      We know the uses because of many studies performed on the efficacy of these drugs and we’ve derived newer drugs from those drugs that are even more effective.
      I’m an avid food label (and pretty much every other label) reader. Not because of some mythical food sensitivity, but more out of curiosity in what is in various things.
      I do have some foods that bother me, give me straw mushrooms and watch out for projectile vomiting, some preservatives make my nose run. My sister in law, well, it’s shorter of a list to list what she isn’t allergic to.
      But, those are allergies, which are real food sensitivities – the body reacts, releases histamine and other cytokines and it’s pretty obvious that one is allergic to the item. Severe allergies can be life threatening, closing off one’s airway, lowering blood pressure to life threatening levels and that causes the water from one’s blood entering one’s lungs (OK, it’s a bit more complicated than that, but that’d turn into an advanced biochemistry class).

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 10, 2016 at 21:05 #

      “God help us if this is what passes for intelligent conversation!”

      Sorry, do you consider starting a response with an insult/attack to be “intelligent conversation”? Because that’s just what you did there.

      Ah, the old “claim the other person is ‘angry'” debate ploy. Did MMS give you the ability to read minds? Nope. Want to know if I’m angry, ask me. (I’m not). It’s a very common debate tactic, as I’ve already noted, and very, very transparent. Basically a statement “I won’t respond to the other person’s points. But I’ll try to diminish them in other people’s eyes by claiming the person is ‘angry'”.

      ” That doesn’t mean we bury our heads in the sand or demand a book of proof before believing.”

      Since when is demanding proof before applying a medical treatment burying one’s head in the sand?

      “Sullivan, instead of getting so mad, start experimenting”

      Because my child is a lab rat? My child doesn’t have the right to actual medicine? My child is disabled and, therefore, so worthless to you that I can do whatever the heck I want to and who cares if my child is injured in the process?

      Perhaps if you actually thought things through you wouldn’t have been fooled by MMS charlatans.

      • Gray Falcon February 10, 2016 at 22:04 #

        Another thing people tend to forget: There are times when anger is an entirely appropriate response.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 11, 2016 at 03:26 #

        As in “I am angry that I got not only fooled into trying MMS, but also for becoming a (presumably) unpaid shill for MMS”?

      • Gray Falcon February 11, 2016 at 03:53 #

        No, as in “I am angry that someone is selling something that is ripping up children’s intestines.”

      • wzrd1 February 13, 2016 at 15:15 #

        I have to agree with Gray Falcon on that one.
        I personally tend to *really* go off when a child is under threat from harm. It’s probably due to our wanting another child, but out of 16 pregnancies, we only managed to have two live births.
        Add in my Grave’s disease (autoimmune hyperthyroid), I can get downright rude. So rude, that after an I-123 uptake scan, the gamma radiation induced a change into a large green form and I hit someone over the head with a Buick.
        OK, not really. It just feels that way. I can’t wait to see the endocrinologist!

  6. Kerry winter February 18, 2016 at 07:17 #

    Fascinating angle, yet I would like to read a study that directly correlates to the dosages people are ingesting. All of the above refereneces are incorrect and do not correlate. If I may remind you that alcohol and caffeine are lethal at concentrations higher than we consume. There is not really much science to prove the efficacy of this therapy either way- so, it is curious why your opion, and others opinions, are so strong. Opinion, and “what you think you know” is not important. Looking forward to some actual research and inquiry.

    • wzrd1 February 18, 2016 at 13:35 #

      The safe level for ingestion of free chlorine residual (reactable, not bound chlorine) has been established by the US DoD at 5 PPM free chlorine residual. 10 PPM residual for heavily contaminated water. No higher level is permitted, save for disinfecting food and objects and those are soaked to remove the high level of free chlorine residual, lest it cause severe GI irritation or even harm.

      Do enlighten me as to what level alcohol is lethal in concentration? I’d like to know, as one who has consumed 190 proof grain alcohol in my youth and that is 95% pure ethanol. It’s quantity of alcohol, not concentration. You’ve displayed pure ignorance of a concept at the heart of toxicology, “Dose makes the poison”.
      I can have pure caffeine as well, so long as the total dose per body weight is not exceeded.

      What you think you know is not what is established toxicology, it is misconceptions that mix concentration and dosage.
      Concentrations that are high in free chlorine, in dosages used in these quackery “parasite protocol treatments” result in stripping of the intestinal lining, which the ignorant parents then call worms (oddly, longer than the longest known tape worms). When these tissues were examined, only human DNA was present – proving that they were the intestinal lining.
      What absorbed nutrients and protected the victim’s body from infection while that lining was destroyed?

  7. Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 22, 2016 at 23:20 #

    Comment from person trying to offer his/her services as a consultant for MMS was not approved.

    • wzrd1 February 22, 2016 at 23:37 #

      Merciful heaven, but some people have a set of cast iron testes!

  8. wzrd1 March 23, 2016 at 18:41 #

    Wow, Mercola. Seriously?
    Then, Aspartame? So, my wife and daughters are dead? My father is, but that was end stage renal disease, secondary to diabetes that killed him, not Aspartame. Around 100 million people using it and they’ve died and nobody noticed?

    My beta blocker, metoprolol has been linked to a number of deaths, all due to overdosing and beta blockade, we should pull it and let everyone on it, including me, die?
    Christ, but you want us to go back to leeches and bleeding. All, to sell your woo.

  9. wzrd1 March 23, 2016 at 18:50 #

    Yeah, all of those studies published by the researchers that the FDA evaluates are really, uber sooper sekrit fakes conducted by the Great Conspiracy of the Space Aliens.
    All fake, I’m dead, my family is dead and we’re haunting you.
    Oh wait, we’re all alive and everything you’ve spouted is bovine defecation. Lipid retained toxins? Yeah, there are a few, such as acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, which are really bad news. Meanwhile, killed tissue is sloughing off, the potassium from inside of the cells flooding the circulatory system and you call that released lipid toxins. I guess radiation poisoning is also detox, all for the same nonsensical reasons.

    Let me put it differently, if I saw a neighbor poison their disabled child with MMS, the gators down the road would be very well fed.

  10. wzrd1 March 23, 2016 at 18:59 #

    First, the toxicological term is “the dose makes the poison” and drugs are not poisons. Don’t confuse chemotherapy agents with general drugs.
    My health issues are due to an autoimmune attack upon my thyroid, not some bullshit toxin invented by the village idiot.
    Unicorn farts. Autoimmune conditions aren’t treated by them, they’re treated by modulating the immune system or limiting the antigen being presented to the immune system. Saying otherwise shows that you don’t know the slightest thing about the immune system.
    The term quackery predates the AMA, so you present a time machine paradox, the AMA needs a time machine to coin a term that existed before they did. This is the real world, not a Doctor Who episode. The only sonic screwdriver that exists is an alcoholic drink.

  11. wzrd1 March 23, 2016 at 19:04 #

    So, a man was on life support (the only way to pull a plug) and the family gave vita c, which I assume is vitamin C, which is something that you cannot spell. He healed from the infection, which is rather common (my wife and I also contracted H1N1, took a year to recover).
    Do enlighten us, how was the vitamin C (could’ve used sweetwater, aka dextrose and saline and been just as effective) administered?
    I’ll watch it when it shows up on SyFy channel, where that belongs. Otherwise, I’ll stick with peer reviewed research, not bullshit woo that would have killed me.

    Here’s some fun, what happens when the abdominal aorta dilates to 4 cm? Which woo do you use to treat it?

  12. wzrd1 March 23, 2016 at 19:08 #

    Those drugs prevented my death, they continue to do so. Stopping them would kill me.
    Now, provide a list of 100 names of those killed by the drugs that you claim, tabulated by drug name and the precise nature of their deaths. The data is available easily, present them. I’m quite aware of drugs that were recalled, I’m even on the government mailing list that announces those recalls. I’m also on various disease announcement mailing lists.
    So, put up or shut up. Your woo won’t treat autoimmune hyperthyroidism, aortic dilation or an aortic aneurysm, it won’t treat ventricular hypertrophy, which you likely don’t even know what the term means, the cause or treatment. The only thing you are effective at is getting people killed by their buying your woo.

    • Gay Falcon August 20, 2016 at 06:15 #

      Whatever. My woo cures everything.

      I can even cure your arrogance with my woo!

      • Gray Falcon August 21, 2016 at 04:55 #

        First of all, that is utterly childish. Secondly, I came here opposed to MMS. Read my posts carefully.

  13. Conscius June 4, 2016 at 06:39 #

    So chemo is a scam too?

    • Chris June 4, 2016 at 18:54 #

      No.

  14. autistasangeles June 6, 2016 at 22:03 #

    Reblogged this on autistasangeles.

  15. Why? August 20, 2016 at 04:06 #

    😦

  16. Rosco September 9, 2016 at 01:06 #

    You and emily are morons. To be used and discarded like used condoms.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) September 13, 2016 at 00:50 #

      approved merely to show what MMS supporters can be like.

      • wzrd1 September 13, 2016 at 06:45 #

        He makes me want to reach into the cat box, “Here’s a cookie”.

  17. Lialiana/specialeducation October 14, 2016 at 03:27 #

    Sullivan I don’t know if you ever been in Cuba before but let me tell you that we drink mms purified water since we were born and I am sorry but I have to tell you that a percentage of people with cancer, or autism it is so much lower than in USA. I remember when I was a child that I didn’t like to drink water because of the chlorine flavor. Must of the parasite are treated with mms and no body ever die due to dissolve tissue, more over IT WORKS HEALING AUTISM we are using it to cure/treat Autism and the results are amazing.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) October 16, 2016 at 04:28 #

      No, you don’t.

      Water that has been tested with chlorine dioxide is allowed to stand for a length of time so the chlorine leaves the water.

      MMS is a scam. Plain and simple.

      I’m saddened at how many autistics are getting no support from your society. You are failing your most vulnerable. And bragging about it.

      • wzrd1 October 16, 2016 at 06:45 #

        Actually, standing time for MMS treated water is much lower than other chlorination methods. It’s *that* reactive.
        Then, what remains is neutralized chemically, with traces of chloramine remaining to disinfect the water lines.*

        *I did a quick Google (forgetting scholar and it defaulted to www), ran into a vitamin C neutralization of chlorine site as a first hit and verbalized something about Jesus and scrotum… These vitamin C freaks are really starting to bother me, now it’s a panacea for them!**

        **Don’t get me wrong, vitamin C is cool, it’d be cooler if our bodies actually made it themselves, but seriously, it’s not a be all and end all of everything. Mental note, pick up some orange juice – not so much for vitamin C, as I get plenty from my mashed potatoes, but because it’s tasty, all day long. 🙂
        And yes, I’ve had orange juice with dinner. It’s water or juice with a meal.
        The rest of the time, it’s coffee (using rainwater) or grain alcohol. Purity of essence and all. 😉

  18. Sullivan (Matt Carey) October 28, 2016 at 19:05 #

    A woman named Amanda wants to spam this site with email addresses for people selling MMS. She’s using wild claims of efficacy with no evidence.

    I am not here to provide advertisement for charlatans. Amanda’s comment is deleted.

  19. Judith October 28, 2016 at 20:17 #

    Worms cause autism? If I find a worm outside and pour bleach on it will it die? Worms cause cancer too? And all this time researchers have been looking at genetics and dendrites and minicolumns and brain scans and antibodies and inflammation and metabolism gaba, glutaric acid tryptophane coenzyme A. Do the worms swim around and cause leaky gut? Which in turn causes yeast and fungus and also leaves only the special bacterial autism type bacteria that causes gastroenteritis. We should celebrate parents give yourself an enema day! ASAP

    • wzrd1 October 29, 2016 at 01:01 #

      Well, there is some worm therapy being examined for treating some autoimmune diseases, but those are very, very specific helminths, for very, very specific autoimmune disease.
      We’ll see if there is any positive effects from the study.

  20. lovebnme January 15, 2017 at 05:38 #

    I would like to see the proof of all the death that occurred while take mms. Also I would like to see all the sick children. Also what is the ingredients for fda approved pharmaceuticals, that they consider legal but with many side affects. I would also like to know how this is a scam when the benefit out ways the risk if there are any.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) January 19, 2017 at 21:49 #

      You want to see so much, but you accept blindly that there is benefit.

      There is no benefit to MMS. None proven. None expected from the science. Just sales pitches and people on the internet claiming benefits. Just like every other scam therapy in the past.

    • Lawrence January 20, 2017 at 16:38 #

      Unfortunately, the children who receive MMS aren’t likely to be capable to fully expressing their pain and discomfort….especially those who are autistic….it is nothing more than shear torture.

  21. smith January 20, 2017 at 13:48 #

    You IDIOT …… The instructions are plain …. It must be diluted….to work proper ….
    you are not a chemist and have no idea what you are doing. You have to DILUTE it. Of course it will discolor or stain material. It must be diluted to .005% and it works. Put it on your skin full strength and it will burn your skin.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) January 23, 2017 at 19:35 #

      Yep, here we are again. An MMS promoter comes to a disability blog and spouts stigmatizing language against people with intellectual disabilities (IDIOT, you ignorant, rude person, is a term for a person with intellectual disability).

      The fact that you got scammed by MMS doesn’t mean that you get to pull others into the scam.

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