One of the marketing ploys for MMS* is that it somehow attacks viruses, bacteria, parasites, heavy metals, toxins and more but doesn’t affect human tissue. It’s safe! Of course this is from the same people who said that it isn’t a bleach. Emily Willingham did a very simple and elegant demonstration that, MMS: Yes, It Is Bleach. Put a few drops on a black cloth and, lo an behold, it bleaches it.
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I thought about taking this to the next step–putting some drops on raw meat to see how much tissue would be bleached. Then I thought, I wonder if there’s a study on this already? Consider this paper, Comparison of Organic Tissue Dissolution Capacities of Sodium Hypochlorite and Chlorine Dioxide (full paper here).
Organic tissue dissolution capacity. In other words: how well do these solutions dissolve tissue.
According to the main site promoting MMS as an autism cure:
What is MMS?
MMS stands for Master Mineral Solution. It’s chemical name is Chlorine Dioxide (ClO2). ClO2 is a gas that is produced as a result of combining 2 liquids, Sodium Chlorite (NaClO2) and citric acid. When added to the sodium chlorite, the citric acid brings the combined pH level to under five, causing the sodium chlorite to become unstable and release chorine dioxide. (ClO2) Chlorine dioxide is an oxidizer with a lower oxidation potential (.95 V) than any of the other oxidizers in the human body.
MMS starts out as sodium chlorite, not the hypochlorite as mentioned in the paper. But the final solution contains ClO2, the same as one tested in the above paper. In that paper they were exploring whether these solutions (sodium hypochlorite and ClO2) could be used in dental work. They wanted to test whether ClO2 solutions would have an effect on tissue, in this case the pulp from the inside of teeth. They already knew that sodium hypochlorite dissolved tissue.
What did they find? When they put tooth pulp (taken from cows) into these solutions, after 20 minutes about 28% of the tissue was dissolved.
Dissolved.
In ClO2 solution.
But wait, you say. That’s a paper using cow teeth, published in Turkey. Realizing that this argument would come up, I searched for more papers. Such as Effect of chlorine dioxide and sodium hypochlorite on the dissolution of human pulp tissue e An in vitro study. Which concludes
5% Chlorine dioxide is capable of dissolving human pulp tissue but sodium hypochlorite was more effective.
Or
Comparison of Organic Tissue Dissolution Capacities of NaOCl and ClO2
Conclusion: Within the limitations of this in vitro study, it was concluded that ClO2 is efficient as well as NaOCl in dissolving organic tissue.
Not all tissues are the same. Skin, especially the dead skin in the outer layer, is likely more resistant than tooth pulp. But, how about the intestinal lining (a consideration for those using this as an enema solution)? Or once absorbed in the stomach (for those taking an oral route) or the esophagus?
OK, it dissolves tissues. But why go to these papers? How about just looking at the MSDS? People have long brought out the MSDS for thimerosal to tell us that it should be removed from vaccines. The MSDS for thimerosal shows that the LD50 level (the exposure where 1/2 of the test animals died, lethal dose 50) is Acute oral toxicity (LD50): 75 mg/kg [Rat] for thimerosal. A chlorine dioxide solution of 0.054 weight% Chlorine Dioxide is less toxic than thimerosal, with an LD50 (oral) rats: 292 mg/kg. So, it would take about 4 times as much chlorine dioxide solution at this concentration to kill a rat as thimerosal.
The thing is, people don’t drink thimerosal solutions. Or do so repeatedly. People are encouraged to drink MMS.
Consider what happens if we increase the concentration of ClO2. Up the concentration to 3% ClO2 in water and it is as toxic as thimerosal. But, again, dose makes the poison and the dose of ClO2 from MMS is much higher than the dose of thimerosal from a vaccine.
The idea that MMS, or CD or Chlorine Dioxide is somehow a magical solution which rids the body of harmful substances while having no effect on human tissues is just flat out incorrect. It dissolves organic tissue. It’s toxic and the doses are significant.
(*MMS is “miracle mineral solution”, a relatively new bit of alternative medicine that is being sold as an autism cure. It has been promoted at parent conventions such as Autism One and by the blog The Age of Autism. It is a scam and if the discussion above wasn’t clear: it should be avoided.)
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By Matt Carey
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We all know that these agenda pushers are going to support the medical industry in making billions of dollars off of hardworking Americans that just want to live a healthy life. FEAR is the medical industries best defense against the truth-seekers. CD water is helping people with several health issues some being terminal, others like autism that the Medical Industry have yet to find cures. Unlike pharmas with their long list of side effects to keep you handing over money for more meds and treatment. CD water is actually helping people, the problem is BIG PHARMA and MEDICAL INDUSTRY pawns are scared that they will lose money if a more affordable alternative solution to health issues puts them on blast. I’m sorry to be the one to have to tell u agenda pushers that if the medical industry you guys put your faith in does bring to the table a somewhat feasible solution to autism, it will not be a long term cure.. It will be a long drawn out treatment process forcing people into bankruptcy when trying to get a handle on the bills they’ll acquire. Call me crazy but isn’t it insanity to keep trying the same thing over and over expecting a different end result? Its like you sheeple don’t want a cure.. Here’s CD water is helping autistic kids but you all are here complaining that the cure is not a good cure.. BUT ITS WORKING!! that’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard in my entire life.
Yes, chlorine dioxide is very, very useful – in decontaminating water supplies and is quickly neutralized, so that people aren’t sickened by a high chlorine residual.
No autism is being “cured” by burning the gastrointestinal tract with high concentration chlorine dioxide and water, they are being tortured, but not treated.
Only in the US are people bankrupted over medical issues, every other industrialized nation has universal health care that is free of charge.
Of course, you’d have to learn about the world to actually know that.
Sell, your woo elsewhere, where science isn’t accepted. Here, we stick with evidence based medicine and science.
Alan–
I’m not running this site to allow people to advertise MMS.
Go away. Take your lies and your fake testimonials somewhere else. MMS is a scam. You, sir, are a scammer. Your comments are not going to be approved.
As you have stated you would like to stick with evidence based medicine and science I refer you to simple science and chemistry for kids about chlorine dioxide as a harmless and superior disinfectant. If it dissolved biological tissue, your steak would disappear off your plate as most meat is disinfected with it. The “woo” label reminds me of the “conspiracy theorist” label which is just scared sheeple shaming scared sheeple back into the pen.
My PhD is in physics. Materials physics.
Your background is in what?
Any science?
Clearly not. Based on your answer. Seriously. If you were one of my students (back when I had classes) I’d as you to come in to office hours because you clearly need help.
Nice that you front load your comment with a defense against “woo” and “conspiracy-theorist” labels. It’s your way of saying “you’re mean and I don’t have to listen to you. But I have an open mind”.
Here’s the thing. You are just wrong. Doesn’t matter if you believe in conspiracies or not.
“Call me crazy but isn’t it insanity to keep trying the same thing over and over expecting a different end result? ”
Funny–you are the 20th person to come here and do exactly the same thing.
Fail to provide any evidence to back up your clams? Check.
Insult everyone else (ad hominem attack, poison the well)? Check.
Claim or insinuate that it’s a “big pharma” conspiracy? Check.
Ironic how you people throw around the term “sheeple” when you are carbon copies of eachother.
Oh, I forgot–
claim that you are more intelligent than the “sheeple”? Check.
Carbon copies or sock puppets?
Usually, the turn of phrase gives them away, as well as their IP address, but not always. Some socks have intelligence slightly greater than a cinder block and switch up the use of language and use an IP anonymizer. Those can occasionally be found out by a user agent probe from the web server.
Lol… Why would i want to post anonymously when im just stating the obvious.. however u might know my ip address if u dont know anything else.. but what does that mean? I could have used my vpn but why? I guess thats a sheeps only defense when backed into a corner.. state the fact that u know my ip address. Just to find out that I know my way around when it comes to computers and “hacking” so to speak. So take your empty threats and mms poison propaganda and shove it up ur ass.. oh yeah “Check”.
I’ll address two points at once, as it’s “late” for me.
I do work a shift at a security operations center and volunteered to replace a junior member upon his departure.
First, using “sheeple” proves zero cause, it’s ad hominem, Google it.
Second, I routinely use anonymizer services to research threats to our organization. It’s trivial enough that one with the general intelligence of a cinder block could achieve just that very thing.
Finally, as I am tired and need to go abed, I have a full two dozen e-mail addresses, as do many others.
Welcome to the technological age.
But, you’ve entirely refrained from providing evidence based facts, yet again.
As usual, for your peers.
Keep talking/typing. I have a really nice program that identifies people. It’s a US government intelligence tool and external intelligence tool.
Want to play? I’m less than a half mile from FANX for a reason.
Google that as well.
Where you read a “threat”, I read puzzlement at yet another poster using the same old arguments, without any sources, in a very similar manner.
In case you were honestly confused : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)
An admin checking a poster’s IP in order to determine if he is a sock puppet is not threatening him if the poster is honestly parroting what the others before him said.
BEFORE you go on a rant about CDS. Interview people who take it, Ask for medical records which the red cross has even ADMITTED TO SEEING WHILE THEY WENT TO AFRICA AND SAW FIRST HAND BEFORE AND AFTER MEDICAL TESTING.TALK to JIM HUMBLE.he is not hard to find..CONTACT ANDREAS, AND ASK QUESTIONS..DON’T BE AN IDIOT AND JUST STARTING RIPPING SOMETHING BECAUSE YOUR BRAIN LACKS THE CAPACITY FOR UNDERSTANDING IT’S COMPLEXITY. it is a little scary..so is ANYTHING that is new and not well known ..but don’t jump to conclusions EITHER WAY…try it, or ask questions to the people who are CHEMIST’S and can ANSWER YOU! YOUR BRAIN JUST THINKS “BLEACH! ” and then you shit your pants and run away with hatred. man up………IT CURES MALARIA..the red cross was there, they helped, they admitted it worked, and the government stepped on their neck hard and made them change their story a year later BUT…THEY ACTUALLY TRAVELED TO THOSE PEOPLE to see it work..( WHICH IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IF YOU WANT PROOF..GET OFF YOUR BUTT and stop expecting proof TO SHOW UP VIA EMAIL ) YOU THINK PEOPLE CURED OF MALARIA in third world countries CARE ABOUT YOU OR YOUR OPINION? It is safe taken in the appropriate doses. it IS a type of bleach…but so is a LEMON.get over it…Your body is not the same environment as where you do your little tissue dissolving test.the real thing here is it seems people attacking CDS are SCARED to put in the work and actually talk to those of us who USE IT.You seem addicted to repeating what others who have NEVER taken it, and have ZERO chemistry background,keep saying, in order to attack those of us trying to help ourselves and others.
eats through tissue? how do you explain not only the amount of people without agenda’s that are being cured, but the fact that thousands have taken it…….. for years..without tissue “dissolving” or degeneration. maybe it dissolves some tissue.. and that tissue grows back if its harmed..I don’t know. neither do you. You assume..I go on facts. Anything in high doses is bad..but in the RIGHT amount..cds has beneficial effects. listen to this… I have a letter from my city saying i should put bleach in my drinking water…( REALLY )… YEAH… read that again if you missed it the first time…SACRAMENTO CALIFORNIA…they are telling people to drink BLEACH!!!! so please..realize you are attacking something that is helping thousands of people.. YET YOU HAVE NEVER USED IT!!! Talk about IGNORANCE in FULL EFFECT..smh. all those people..and you can;t put in the effort to talk to one of them…lazy or maybe you dont want to know the truth…i dont know ..but lets not forget..you didn’t even bring up the MOST important part which is the electron transfer which is the KEY to the entire process for killing bad pathogens….I admit..this is all new to science..and they are still figuring out how it is so selective..but when you miss out on the key part in your attack and just start screaming “BLEACH” like a ten year old.. you have exposed enough of your intelligence to the world that there is no discussion needed with a mentality like yours , which seems to purposely ignore things which are necessary to focus on in order to gain a better understanding of whats going on here.
There were large numbers of people who thought bloodletting cured their conditions. Testimonials don’t mean much on their own, no matter how many capital letters you use.
Before going on a rant about how MMS is not a scam, especially if you want to repeat the “Red Cross” lie, read the comments above.
“I have a letter from my city saying i should put bleach in my drinking water”
How long do they recommend you wait before actually drinking the water? People use bleach to disinfect water, but the recommendations are to wait for the bleach to dissipate before drinking.
Again, had you read the comments above, you would know that.
“you have exposed enough of your intelligence to the world that there is no discussion needed with a mentality like yours , which seems to purposely ignore things which are necessary to focus on in order to gain a better understanding of whats going on here.”
Let’s see. You come to a disability focus blog and use a lack of intelligence as a slur. Stigmatizing language which makes life harder for people like my kid.
Did you purposely ignore that? Did you purposely ignore the other facts I mention above (by ignoring the comments above)? Which is to say, it is very ironic that you throw your claim of purposely ignoring facts around.
I am sorry you got caught by the MMS scam. My sympathy for you ends when you come here and defend the abuse of disabled children. Which is what the MMS “cure” of autism is.
So, how does it feel to be supporting an effort that abuses disabled children?
I’ve noticed a singular failure of every person who says “YoU aRe StUpId”, with of course, random capitalization.
Then, the writer tries to convince the reader with, “They traveled to see them”, but will ignore those who *did* travel to the same places the writer speaks of.
Then, the writer shows a phenomenal lack of comprehension about the body, as MMS has to either magically move from the stomach or ass to make it into red blood cells and magically kill the protozoan, but selectively ignore the highly reactive heme molecule in the same cell.
Still, the writer is welcome to discuss chemistry and especially, organic chemistry when the writer can explain the difference between methyl and ethyl in organic chemistry and then, what the difference between a polymer and monomer.
Big pharma conspiracy? It’s not a conspiracy that big pharma DOES NOT have peoples best interest in mind. There are over two million people seriously injured annually by prescription drugs. According to FDA death by pharmaceuticals is the 4th leading cause of death in the U.S. Approximately 100,000 deaths per year due to adverse reactions to prescription drugs; due to the allopaths love of pushing an rx….. medicines that people expected to help them, not kill them! Those stats don’t even account for accidental overdose. Nah,,,, no conspiracy when the facts are in plain view.
How many deaths are there from alternative treatments? That’s right, we have no idea because things like MMS have no reporting system.
But you don’t seem to care about that. Just bashing drugs that are actually tested, actually work and where adverse reactions are actually studied and reported.
Let’s review a case.
Male, mid 50’s, BP 200/100, resting pulse 128, has 2.2 cm aortic dilation.
Now, I could go homeopathic and get 99.9% diluted nothing but water and expire.
I could go with 10 mg amlodipine, 50 mg metoprolol BID and I’m down to 10 mg methimazole to address the hyperthyroidism that caused the excessive pulse and BP.
Side effect of the methimazole is elevated liver enzymes. Something very well documented.
Now, had I not taken those drugs, my aorta would’ve ruptured and I’d do that dead thing. Being dead tends to really ruin your weekend plans.
So, I have some feelings about people like you, who misrepresent facts, reject evidence based medicine. I doubt that my opinion of you could be lower, but I’m sure that you’ll disimprove that opinion as time goes on.
It’s not curing anyone – it’s harming them. You need to be locked up, and kept away from children.
I have tried to read and follow the argument in this comment thread and appreciate the passion of both sides. I prefer facts over opinion or even theory, for that matter. I think both sides have offered a lot of each.
The critics argue that it is bleach and unsafe for use while the proponents argue that it is perfectly safe. However, one thing that struck me was, if Chlorine Dioxide is so detrimental to humans that consume it and use it in enemas, where is the pile of bodies? I can’t find any articles or links in this discussion showing a pile of bodies.
With so many people using this product and promoted protocol for what appears to be several years in my estimation, there should certainly be news releases about children who have been killed or damaged by this if it is so harmful, shouldn’t there? What am I missing?
You’re missing the intestinal linings people are passing out.
I have seen the pictures of the masses being passed and understand the concern there. However, if Chlorine Dioxide is so harmful, as you and others have argued, wouldn’t/shouldn’t there be story after story of a child being killed by it, especially with so many people using it over such a long period of time?
I am not arguing for or against the use, I am just looking for data showing the use is harmful substantiated by related deaths. There has to be something out there, doesn’t there?
Confused–
you are clearly an MMS supporter trolling here. The faux “confused” approach is transparent.
You propose a system whereby something has to be proved harmful or it can be used. MMS is harmful. But it is on those promoting it to provide evidence of safety and efficacy. They can’t. All they can do is provide a lot of pseudoscience and denial. And people like you trolling disability focused websites in order to create confusion.
You aren’t missing anything but the propaganda they are trying to sell you. They just choose to use the harmful chemical tactics to scare people away. They never use facts just the idea that you should not drink bleach that u clean your house and clothes with… and i agree but its an exaggeration. If you go to your local sporting goods store and visit the camping section there will be a specific area designated for water purification… there you will find several products of different brands that are typically used to purify water that u would come across in the outdoors camping and survival scenarios… these ingredients are the self same ingredients found in cds water or mms water… there are no extra added ingredients… ITS THE SAME THING. They have been around for a long time and if it wasnt safe they wouldnt sell it. What does make it unsafe is improper use… same with anything else if u dont read simple instructions you’re risking your own life.
“here you will find several products of different brands that are typically used to purify water that u would come across in the outdoors camping and survival scenarios”
Already discussed many times above.
With water purification tablets, one waits for the chlorine dioxide to dissipate before ingesting. So your example shows the opposite of what you are trying to demonstrate.
AND THAT MY FRIENDS IS THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT. END OF STORY … IT IS SAFE AT THE CORRECT DOSES.
There is no “correct dose”. It’s not medicine.
It’s nonsense.
I’m sorry you got trapped in an obvious scam. But not so sorry that I won’t call you out for shilling for a harmful and fake therapy.
But if you think that ALL CAPS make up for a lack of a scientific argument, go ahead and use ALL CAPS.
you did nothing to address the study discussed above.
You are doing what so many of you MMS shills do. Try to create noise to confuse people.
And, clearly, you are trying to bolster your own confidence. Keep yourself believing.
How about opening your mind and actually addressing the question posed above?
“if Chlorine Dioxide is so detrimental to humans that consume it and use it in enemas, where is the pile of bodies? I”
Do a search for pictures of the “worms” that are found in the feces of disabled children “treated” with this nonsense. Those are intestinal linings. Even the proponents of MMS admit that they don’t test positive for being a worm.
So, if your limit is dead bodies, well how about trying “suffering” and “needless damage”?
People tried bloodletting for centuries. I guess since so many people did it, it was a good idea. Using your logic.
Well, the MSDS shows it’s safe, right?
Click to access MSDS-Chlorinedioxide(ClO2)-540ppm.pdf
A small hint, if it isn’t OK to breathe, it isn’t OK to go up someone’s ass or throat.
I have used many times and I am better for it. I used it to detox my body.
Random person on the internet says bleach is good. No evidence. Sure, I’ll try that on my disabled kid. Because, you know, why actually think this through for myself?
I dunno, I’d probably go with using MMS to disinfect a municipal water supply, might even use it in a swimming pool – titrated carefully, of course.
Beyond that, industrial chemicals belong in industrial use, not pseudoscientific sham medical use.
You take poison to “detox”? Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.
Well apparently the U.S. Army thinks Cl02 is good enough. http://www.army.mil/article/136641/Natick_plays_key_role_in_helping_to_fight_spread_of_Ebola
What is it you guys don’t understand in “on surfaces” ?
“surface of objects” =/= “directly inside the body”
Exactly. First sentence of the linked article “Researchers at the U.S. Army Natick Soldier Research, Development and Engineering Center here, invented a next-generation disinfectant system that kills the Ebola virus on surfaces. “
The nice thing about David’s comment is that it shows the lack of logic and irrelevant evidence that MMS believers use.
Well, sanitizing surfaces of objects and equipment is obviously enteric or something.
Even if it isn’t.
We’ve used bleach of various sorts to disinfect surfaces and even drinking water.
We have used calcium hypochlorite, sodium hypochlorite for water purification, super tropical bleach for chemical warfare agent neutralization. Some water purification for large scale purification use MMS or chlorine dioxide as a disinfection, then reacts the residual away to either zero or 10 parts per million chlorine residual.
Notice that number? Ten times the level used in swimming pools only, 15 parts per million for contaminated water and a half hour to forty five minute contact time.
Not that nonsensical “parasite protocol”, which does not exist in evidence based medicine.
there is only one answer to this discussion. When you have a cold..try it!!!! what happens next will be a doubtless fact, whatever it is.
The fact that you suggest this show that you didn’t follow “this discussion”. “Try it yourself” has been suggested a gazillion times and a half, with always the same answer : this method doesn’t prove anything.
(Also : “A treated cold lasts a week, an untreated cold lasts seven days”)
Wow. I was searching for more recent info on MMS, but I think I found halfway to ridiculous instead. Haha, I have 6 kids and a granddaughter, s o it’s kinda familiar.
I guess it is good that folks get together and share ideas. And I guess a few of us will get butt-hurt when we think we are right and are told otherwise.
“Try and see” isn’t such a bad idea. How many of us have been to a medical professional that has told us – let’s see if this kind of med in this dose works, if not come back and we’ll adjust it.
Our bodies are wonderful and strange……AND different. What works for one WILL NOT work for all. Or even most. I DO use MMS. And I give it to my children. One of my little one suffered for 2 years with chronic infections in his lymph nodes. Sooo many different antibiotics. I had already taken MMS a few times. He’s the 1st of my children that I gave it to. It worked. Instead of waiting a week with antibiotics, the lymphnode swelling was gone in 2 days, the pain in the 1st day. A year later, I used it to rid my entire house (8 people at the time) of strep-throat (yes, doctor confirmed) in just 4 days.
I’m not expirienced, unlucky, or smart enough to say this stuff is a cure-all. But I do know it works well for everyday heath issues.
Organic substances need maintained and a good cleaning now and then. It makes sense that our bodies need oxidizers AND anti-oxidants.
Maybe if we do our best to keep our bodies clean and healthy our brains will be cleaner and healthier as well! 🙂
And please remember dosage, folks. The whole patrs per million thing. Nowhere, NOWHERE do any of the true suggestions for MMS say take it diffectly. The book states NOT to breath it as you mix your couple, just a couple of drops. Then you MUST dilute it. And how harmful can something be when 6 oz of orange juice will nutrilize it almost instantly??
Thank you for the interesting read. Just a mom with a day off so please don’t judge my spelling and grammer too harshly. 🙂
Good bless, good day and health to you all.
Charlatans count on people like you who will rationalize paying them money for fake medicine. “It’s just like real medicine ‘try and see’.” Except that (a) there
” I DO use MMS.”
I’m sorry. I’m sorry you are easily fooled. I am sorry that you don’t value your own body and health enough to get the best. I am sorry you are allowing yourself to be a victim. Charlatans count on people believing so strongly that they will carry the message for them. They count on you being their sales person.
That said–
WHEN YOU COME TO A DISABILITY FOCUSED WEBSITE AND PROMOTE FAKE CURES THAT ARE ABUSIVE, YOU ARE A PART OF THE PROBLEM.
You, “MamaZoey” are promoting the abuse of disabled children. It’s as simple as that.
“Just a mom with a day off so please don’t judge my spelling and grammer too harshly.”
When the content of your message is so obviously wrong. When you come here to a disability focused website to sell fake cures that are abusive to disabled children (and adults), why would I care about your spelling and grammar?
Take a look at the pictures of the “worms” or “parasites” that are passed in the stools of children subjected to MMS enemas. Now consider that those are not parasites but, instead, the intestinal linings from those children. And you are helping to cause that to happen.
Grammar? Spelling? So far down the list in what is wrong with your comment.
Charlatans know they can count on a certain part of the population being taken in by this fake logic. They know they can count on people like you becoming their advertisers.
Where can I find the “facts” about MMS? Where do people register adverse reactions? Heck, most people deny the adverse reactions. Pass the intestinal lining because your twice daily bleach enemas are not really safe? Call them parasites, rebrand it as the “parasite protocol” and claim victory.
Seriously, you’ve been scammed.
Im still waiting for you idiots to post facts about how people are dying from MMS. You post no evidence whatsoever but u keep saying “hey look at the childs shit, it has intestines in it”… The same assholes that apparently disect turds with a microscope looking for a reason not to use MMS are the same assholes who are letting their children suffer from autism. However U can keep browsing the web to find MMS working over and over again.. by people of more professional and scientific backgrounds saying… MMS killed this disease.. this virus.. Yet you losers are still here ATTACKING people with honest concerns for their children.. most of which have used MMS and have seen positive results. How about since u dont use MMS u disect your on shit with a microscope and tell me if u find your brain cells there…
Have a good day dumb fuckers..
Frankly I don’t think you are the parent of an autistic child. For one thing people who use fake therapies tend to avoid the term “autistic” over “child with autism” or, in your case, “autism parent”.
If you are, then shame on you for using disability terms as epithets. Actually, shame on you either way. “dumb”, “idiot” and claims of lack of brain cells as insults are stigmatizing language that show immense disrespect for people with intellectual disability. Pretty much par for the course for many of the MMS supporters–you don’t give a damned out my community, you just want to defend your bad choice.
You appear to be yet another convert to the MMS ideology. One who thinks s/he can troll me into an angry response. You’ll have to try harder. But, please, leave comments like this around the web. Let everyone know the sort of people who promote MMS.
“The same assholes that apparently disect turds with a microscope looking for a reason not to use MMS are the same assholes who are letting their children suffer from autism.”
Fascinating! Proctologists, internists and lab workers are assholes because they examine stool samples under a microscope?!
Nobody has ever cured autism. Ever. There is no cure for what is not a disease.
MMS has valid uses, but not in human medicine – it’s too reactive and floods any part of the body its applied to with free radicals in the form of chlorine, which is a strong oxidizer. It’s worse than squirting concentrated hydrochloric acid into the intestine!
As for the rest of your rant, I just wonder, is that the same mouth that you french kiss your mother with?
God help us if this is what passes for intelligent conversation!
wzrd 1 appears to be prretty smart, but that last comment was so rude and unnecessary. And Sullivan is so angrry. I think he should be, but not toward people just looking for information.
Get frustrated, get pissed off, get fu**ing furious about people trying to get over on others, especially the disadvantaged ones. But don’t take it out on other people.
Fight for information, knowledge, truth and experience. I read what wzrd 1 says, but there IS plenty of documented proof out there about the effects of MMS, how it works in the body. And antibiotics. And immune boosters.
We ALL have to keep in mind there a very manipulative predators out there and even a**holes just trying to get sick kicks. That doesn’t mean we bury our heads in the sand or demand a book of proof before believing. It means we support each other in the search to better ourselves and find out what works for each individual us.
Sullivan, instead of getting so mad, start experimenting. Remove ALL artificial. foods from the kitchen. Really. Nothing with dyes, fake flavors, msg….. Maybe you’ve read about this in some health nut/scam/worry-wart page, but it does help, says the voice of experience. That’s a great idea for anyone reading this. Learn to love to read – labels, ingredients, books, web pages…… If you want to take care of yourself and if you have anyone else to take care of, you’ll need to do a lot of it.
You all take care and have a good weekend.
I’ll admit, I do get quite rude when it comes to harming children with such insane quackery. I am a bit more prone of late to go off early and unpleasantly, as I am currently suffering from hyperthyroidism just shy of a thyroid storm, so if I bite, I apologize in advance.
I’m extremely pro-evidence based medicine and extremely against woo peddling. If it’s an effective remedy, one can run evidence based testing to prove the remedy.
A example is willow bark tea, which contains salicylic acid, an excellent anti-inflammatory, anti-pyretic and even relieves pain associated with arthritis.
It’ll also give one a nasty ulcer in short order. A bright chemist made it artificial by the esterification of the phenolic hydroxyl group of salicylic acid with the acetyl group from acetic anhydride or acetyl chloride, turning it into acetylsalicylic acid, aka aspirin. That lowered the ulcer rate tremendously, methylating it instead turns it into Ben Gay (and other brands of muscle pain ointments). One can still acquire salicylic acid – for external use only, Compound W. It’s so powerful an acid that it’ll dissolve a wart.
We know the uses because of many studies performed on the efficacy of these drugs and we’ve derived newer drugs from those drugs that are even more effective.
I’m an avid food label (and pretty much every other label) reader. Not because of some mythical food sensitivity, but more out of curiosity in what is in various things.
I do have some foods that bother me, give me straw mushrooms and watch out for projectile vomiting, some preservatives make my nose run. My sister in law, well, it’s shorter of a list to list what she isn’t allergic to.
But, those are allergies, which are real food sensitivities – the body reacts, releases histamine and other cytokines and it’s pretty obvious that one is allergic to the item. Severe allergies can be life threatening, closing off one’s airway, lowering blood pressure to life threatening levels and that causes the water from one’s blood entering one’s lungs (OK, it’s a bit more complicated than that, but that’d turn into an advanced biochemistry class).
“I’ll admit, I do get quite rude… [simply because I wholeheartedly enjoy the buzz of being rude.]”
There, fixed it for ya.
Oh, and secondarily, I can display my assumed moral superiority by couching my rudeness as being necessary for the “defense of the children…”
So yes, I can and do derive several temporary adrenaline rushes and ego-boosts from my rude rants. You can be certain there will be many more to come, as I cannot seem to be able to get past my 11-year-old sticks-and-stones stage.
Indeed, the immaturity is quite readily apparent from the fact free ranting. Indeed, you can’t seem to even comprehend the MSDS sheet on industrial bleach!
“God help us if this is what passes for intelligent conversation!”
Sorry, do you consider starting a response with an insult/attack to be “intelligent conversation”? Because that’s just what you did there.
Ah, the old “claim the other person is ‘angry'” debate ploy. Did MMS give you the ability to read minds? Nope. Want to know if I’m angry, ask me. (I’m not). It’s a very common debate tactic, as I’ve already noted, and very, very transparent. Basically a statement “I won’t respond to the other person’s points. But I’ll try to diminish them in other people’s eyes by claiming the person is ‘angry'”.
” That doesn’t mean we bury our heads in the sand or demand a book of proof before believing.”
Since when is demanding proof before applying a medical treatment burying one’s head in the sand?
“Sullivan, instead of getting so mad, start experimenting”
Because my child is a lab rat? My child doesn’t have the right to actual medicine? My child is disabled and, therefore, so worthless to you that I can do whatever the heck I want to and who cares if my child is injured in the process?
Perhaps if you actually thought things through you wouldn’t have been fooled by MMS charlatans.
Another thing people tend to forget: There are times when anger is an entirely appropriate response.
As in “I am angry that I got not only fooled into trying MMS, but also for becoming a (presumably) unpaid shill for MMS”?
No, as in “I am angry that someone is selling something that is ripping up children’s intestines.”
I have to agree with Gray Falcon on that one.
I personally tend to *really* go off when a child is under threat from harm. It’s probably due to our wanting another child, but out of 16 pregnancies, we only managed to have two live births.
Add in my Grave’s disease (autoimmune hyperthyroid), I can get downright rude. So rude, that after an I-123 uptake scan, the gamma radiation induced a change into a large green form and I hit someone over the head with a Buick.
OK, not really. It just feels that way. I can’t wait to see the endocrinologist!
Fascinating angle, yet I would like to read a study that directly correlates to the dosages people are ingesting. All of the above refereneces are incorrect and do not correlate. If I may remind you that alcohol and caffeine are lethal at concentrations higher than we consume. There is not really much science to prove the efficacy of this therapy either way- so, it is curious why your opion, and others opinions, are so strong. Opinion, and “what you think you know” is not important. Looking forward to some actual research and inquiry.
The safe level for ingestion of free chlorine residual (reactable, not bound chlorine) has been established by the US DoD at 5 PPM free chlorine residual. 10 PPM residual for heavily contaminated water. No higher level is permitted, save for disinfecting food and objects and those are soaked to remove the high level of free chlorine residual, lest it cause severe GI irritation or even harm.
Do enlighten me as to what level alcohol is lethal in concentration? I’d like to know, as one who has consumed 190 proof grain alcohol in my youth and that is 95% pure ethanol. It’s quantity of alcohol, not concentration. You’ve displayed pure ignorance of a concept at the heart of toxicology, “Dose makes the poison”.
I can have pure caffeine as well, so long as the total dose per body weight is not exceeded.
What you think you know is not what is established toxicology, it is misconceptions that mix concentration and dosage.
Concentrations that are high in free chlorine, in dosages used in these quackery “parasite protocol treatments” result in stripping of the intestinal lining, which the ignorant parents then call worms (oddly, longer than the longest known tape worms). When these tissues were examined, only human DNA was present – proving that they were the intestinal lining.
What absorbed nutrients and protected the victim’s body from infection while that lining was destroyed?
Comment from person trying to offer his/her services as a consultant for MMS was not approved.
Merciful heaven, but some people have a set of cast iron testes!
MMS doesn’t need approval. Is a natural product. ClO2 is in a huge qty in newborns ( just before started to build immunity and it’s the only immunity ).
MMS works !So doesn’t need a fake date to be ….. approved. That’s for medicines. They are not good and Use so called ” evidence ” to sell to naives. Approved by who ? For …who.
I use it for 18 years and is great. Works every single time , so doesn’t need studies. Life itself appoove it, bro !
Chemotherapy killed over one billion people . What do you think ? There is an approval ? Make a guess !
MMS killed nobody .
“MMS doesn’t need approval. Is a natural product”
MMS is a scam. Sorry you were taken in. I hope it didn’t mess up your health too much. If you applied it to children, you are guilty of abuse.
Wow, Mercola. Seriously?
Then, Aspartame? So, my wife and daughters are dead? My father is, but that was end stage renal disease, secondary to diabetes that killed him, not Aspartame. Around 100 million people using it and they’ve died and nobody noticed?
My beta blocker, metoprolol has been linked to a number of deaths, all due to overdosing and beta blockade, we should pull it and let everyone on it, including me, die?
Christ, but you want us to go back to leeches and bleeding. All, to sell your woo.
Yeah, all of those studies published by the researchers that the FDA evaluates are really, uber sooper sekrit fakes conducted by the Great Conspiracy of the Space Aliens.
All fake, I’m dead, my family is dead and we’re haunting you.
Oh wait, we’re all alive and everything you’ve spouted is bovine defecation. Lipid retained toxins? Yeah, there are a few, such as acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, which are really bad news. Meanwhile, killed tissue is sloughing off, the potassium from inside of the cells flooding the circulatory system and you call that released lipid toxins. I guess radiation poisoning is also detox, all for the same nonsensical reasons.
Let me put it differently, if I saw a neighbor poison their disabled child with MMS, the gators down the road would be very well fed.
First, the toxicological term is “the dose makes the poison” and drugs are not poisons. Don’t confuse chemotherapy agents with general drugs.
My health issues are due to an autoimmune attack upon my thyroid, not some bullshit toxin invented by the village idiot.
Unicorn farts. Autoimmune conditions aren’t treated by them, they’re treated by modulating the immune system or limiting the antigen being presented to the immune system. Saying otherwise shows that you don’t know the slightest thing about the immune system.
The term quackery predates the AMA, so you present a time machine paradox, the AMA needs a time machine to coin a term that existed before they did. This is the real world, not a Doctor Who episode. The only sonic screwdriver that exists is an alcoholic drink.
So, a man was on life support (the only way to pull a plug) and the family gave vita c, which I assume is vitamin C, which is something that you cannot spell. He healed from the infection, which is rather common (my wife and I also contracted H1N1, took a year to recover).
Do enlighten us, how was the vitamin C (could’ve used sweetwater, aka dextrose and saline and been just as effective) administered?
I’ll watch it when it shows up on SyFy channel, where that belongs. Otherwise, I’ll stick with peer reviewed research, not bullshit woo that would have killed me.
Here’s some fun, what happens when the abdominal aorta dilates to 4 cm? Which woo do you use to treat it?
Those drugs prevented my death, they continue to do so. Stopping them would kill me.
Now, provide a list of 100 names of those killed by the drugs that you claim, tabulated by drug name and the precise nature of their deaths. The data is available easily, present them. I’m quite aware of drugs that were recalled, I’m even on the government mailing list that announces those recalls. I’m also on various disease announcement mailing lists.
So, put up or shut up. Your woo won’t treat autoimmune hyperthyroidism, aortic dilation or an aortic aneurysm, it won’t treat ventricular hypertrophy, which you likely don’t even know what the term means, the cause or treatment. The only thing you are effective at is getting people killed by their buying your woo.
Whatever. My woo cures everything.
I can even cure your arrogance with my woo!
First of all, that is utterly childish. Secondly, I came here opposed to MMS. Read my posts carefully.
hahah ! Drugs prevented your death ? hahahahah ! Try for you stupidity and let us know, Oedip !
VIOXX killed 55 K Americans per year.
Do you know that, Oedip ?
Really? Vioxx was bad so no drug ever kept anyone alive?
No wonder you believe what you do. You lack the basic ability to think logically.
Let’s see now. BP 200/100, pulse 128, aorta dilated by 2.7 cm and enlarging. BP meds
Let’s see now. BP 200/100, pulse 128, aorta dilated by 2.7 cm and enlarging. BP meds brought my blood pressure down to survivable levels, halting the progression of aortic dilation into a fatal aortic aneurysm. Anti-hyperthyroid medications kept my BP low, resulting in a substantially lower dosage of BP medications.
So, yeah, medications have indeed saved my life and kept me alive. Medications have also saved the lives of many, many service members who I treated in the field, who required those medications in order to survive.
As for Vioxx, I took that for a year and spare change, interestingly, I’m still alive. You picked what is probably the worst example you could possibly pick, as many other COX-2 inhibitors also were related to adverse cardiovascular events in those with coronary artery disease as well. That you selected one infamous case, while ignoring the reason that the problem occurred or the knowledge gleaned from the unexpected effects of COX-2 inhibitors is not only telling, it is damning in its display of your ignorance on the subject.
So, a little homework for you, look up on Google Scholar what COX-1 is and what COX-2 is and what they do. Then, perhaps we might be able to have an intelligent conversation.
But, I hold out little hope for that at all.
So chemo is a scam too?
No.
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You and emily are morons. To be used and discarded like used condoms.
approved merely to show what MMS supporters can be like.
He makes me want to reach into the cat box, “Here’s a cookie”.
Sullivan I don’t know if you ever been in Cuba before but let me tell you that we drink mms purified water since we were born and I am sorry but I have to tell you that a percentage of people with cancer, or autism it is so much lower than in USA. I remember when I was a child that I didn’t like to drink water because of the chlorine flavor. Must of the parasite are treated with mms and no body ever die due to dissolve tissue, more over IT WORKS HEALING AUTISM we are using it to cure/treat Autism and the results are amazing.
No, you don’t.
Water that has been tested with chlorine dioxide is allowed to stand for a length of time so the chlorine leaves the water.
MMS is a scam. Plain and simple.
I’m saddened at how many autistics are getting no support from your society. You are failing your most vulnerable. And bragging about it.
Actually, standing time for MMS treated water is much lower than other chlorination methods. It’s *that* reactive.
Then, what remains is neutralized chemically, with traces of chloramine remaining to disinfect the water lines.*
*I did a quick Google (forgetting scholar and it defaulted to www), ran into a vitamin C neutralization of chlorine site as a first hit and verbalized something about Jesus and scrotum… These vitamin C freaks are really starting to bother me, now it’s a panacea for them!**
**Don’t get me wrong, vitamin C is cool, it’d be cooler if our bodies actually made it themselves, but seriously, it’s not a be all and end all of everything. Mental note, pick up some orange juice – not so much for vitamin C, as I get plenty from my mashed potatoes, but because it’s tasty, all day long. 🙂
And yes, I’ve had orange juice with dinner. It’s water or juice with a meal.
The rest of the time, it’s coffee (using rainwater) or grain alcohol. Purity of essence and all. 😉
MMS is a scam, Oedip ?
Who hired you to say stupid things .
MMS works and I use it for 18 years, Oedip !
I am very sorry you have been scammed for 18 years by MMS. I hope you didn’t spend too much money on it. I very much hope you didn’t subject children to this abuse.
I’m a chemist and is time for you to put this to rest. Sodium Chlorite is not a poison. I used to get rid of Herpes from my body and work. I have 120 kids recovered from autism around the world and data to support those recovered. Is time for you to stop the insane bad propaganda and let the chemist to talk. You are a physic and use the information from MSDS like a medical information source. Those are for Storage and Handling nothing more. Stop please your insane behavior. Is true is not approved by FDA but Cannabis is also not approved and people found healing. So let them try and stop trying to promote wrong information. Your Passion for this is so strong that make me through out because the insane information you publish here. YOU ARE NOT A CHEMIST. Stop behaving like one.
I am not a professional chemist. I am a professional physicist (that is how it is spelled by the way–a real chemist would know that.). A materials physicist. I.e. I work with chemicals. I sit 10 feet from the EH&S team and consult with them on the materials (read: chemicals in my lab).
If you are pushing MMS for autism, you are promoting abuse of disabled children. Nothing less.
Stop behaving like someone who wishes harm caused to disabled children. YOU ARE NOT HELPING
I really do not care what the naysayers have say about Chorine Dioxide. [snip]
Which is why you were fooled into using it.
MSDS is just storage and handling?!
Let’s put that to the test. The format of a standardized MSDS sheet.
SECTION 1: Identification of the substance/mixture and of the company/undertaking
1.1. Product identifier
1.2. Relevant identified uses of the substance or mixture and uses advised against
1.3. Details of the supplier of the safety data sheet
1.4. Emergency telephone number
SECTION 2: Hazards identification
2.1. Classification of the substance or mixture
2.2. Label elements
2.3. Other hazards
SECTION 3: Composition/information on ingredients
3.1. Substances
3.2. Mixtures
SECTION 4: First aid measures
4.1. Description of first aid measures
4.2. Most important symptoms and effects, both acute and delayed
4.3. Indication of any immediate medical attention and special treatment needed
SECTION 5: Firefighting measures
5.1. Extinguishing media
5.2. Special hazards arising from the substance or mixture
5.3. Advice for firefighters
SECTION 6: Accidental release measure
6.1. Personal precautions, protective equipment and emergency procedures
6.2. Environmental precautions
6.3. Methods and material for containment and cleaning up
6.4. Reference to other sections
SECTION 7: Handling and storage
7.1. Precautions for safe handling
7.2. Conditions for safe storage, including any incompatibilities
7.3. Specific end use(s)
SECTION 8: Exposure controls/personal protection
8.1. Control parameters
8.2. Exposure controls
SECTION 9: Physical and chemical properties
9.1. Information on basic physical and chemical properties
9.2. Other information
SECTION 10: Stability and reactivity
10.1. Reactivity
10.2. Chemical stability
10.3. Possibility of hazardous reactions
10.4. Conditions to avoid
10.5. Incompatible materials
10.6. Hazardous decomposition products
SECTION 11: Toxicological information
11.1. Information on toxicological effects
SECTION 12: Ecological information
12.1. Toxicity
12.2. Persistence and degradability
12.3. Bioaccumulative potential
12.4. Mobility in soil
12.5. Results of PBT and vPvB assessment
12.6. Other adverse effects
SECTION 13: Disposal considerations
13.1. Waste treatment methods
SECTION 14: Transport information
14.1. UN number
14.2. UN proper shipping name
14.3. Transport hazard class(es)
14.4. Packing group
14.5. Environmental hazards
14.6. Special precautions for user
14.7. Transport in bulk according to Annex II of MARPOL73/78 and the IBC Code
SECTION 15: Regulatory information
15.1. Safety, health and environmental regulations/legislation specific for the substance or mixture
15.2. Chemical safety assessment
SECTION 16: Other information
16.2. Date of the latest revision of the SDS
Some “chemist” doesn’t know what he is talking about.
A woman named Amanda wants to spam this site with email addresses for people selling MMS. She’s using wild claims of efficacy with no evidence.
I am not here to provide advertisement for charlatans. Amanda’s comment is deleted.
Worms cause autism? If I find a worm outside and pour bleach on it will it die? Worms cause cancer too? And all this time researchers have been looking at genetics and dendrites and minicolumns and brain scans and antibodies and inflammation and metabolism gaba, glutaric acid tryptophane coenzyme A. Do the worms swim around and cause leaky gut? Which in turn causes yeast and fungus and also leaves only the special bacterial autism type bacteria that causes gastroenteritis. We should celebrate parents give yourself an enema day! ASAP
Well, there is some worm therapy being examined for treating some autoimmune diseases, but those are very, very specific helminths, for very, very specific autoimmune disease.
We’ll see if there is any positive effects from the study.
I would like to see the proof of all the death that occurred while take mms. Also I would like to see all the sick children. Also what is the ingredients for fda approved pharmaceuticals, that they consider legal but with many side affects. I would also like to know how this is a scam when the benefit out ways the risk if there are any.
You want to see so much, but you accept blindly that there is benefit.
There is no benefit to MMS. None proven. None expected from the science. Just sales pitches and people on the internet claiming benefits. Just like every other scam therapy in the past.
Unfortunately, the children who receive MMS aren’t likely to be capable to fully expressing their pain and discomfort….especially those who are autistic….it is nothing more than shear torture.
You IDIOT …… The instructions are plain …. It must be diluted….to work proper ….
you are not a chemist and have no idea what you are doing. You have to DILUTE it. Of course it will discolor or stain material. It must be diluted to .005% and it works. Put it on your skin full strength and it will burn your skin.
Yep, here we are again. An MMS promoter comes to a disability blog and spouts stigmatizing language against people with intellectual disabilities (IDIOT, you ignorant, rude person, is a term for a person with intellectual disability).
The fact that you got scammed by MMS doesn’t mean that you get to pull others into the scam.
Mr Smith did an excellent analysis.
The article is bogus or the writer has no clue what he is talking about.
When you take enough tablesalt, it will kill you.
When you eat enough sugar it will cause serious problems. Many more examples could easily be found.
My grandmother gurgled with bleach, never had any problems with the lining of her mouth being dissolved. Off course she gurgled with maybe one or two drops in a glass of water. Not gulping straight from the bottle.
The amounts of MMS used for treatments are low, not enough to have any of the effects you write about. Read the research paper you mentioned.
The amount of ClO2 they used was on purpose high since they were looking for something that would dissolve the (dead) tooth pulp.
When you use it to treat infections in the human body you would use far far less strong concentrations.
The ClO2 that comes out of the reaction from SodiumChlorite with some acid splits very quickly up in Chlorine atoms,which reacts with Sodium in the body to form tablesalt and Oxygen ions, which are very reactive for anything with a Ph lower than 7 (for example nasty bacteria) but not reactive to alive human tissue, which in general has a Ph higher than 7.
So please do your homework before pretending to be a journalist.
Oh goodie. Another bleach apologist.
This is a disability blog. By spreading your misinformation you are contributing to the abuse of disabled children through the fake “cure” mms.
Don’t come back
I laughed so hard when I heard that people believe Chlorine dioxide isn’t a bleach. It is literally THE bleaching agent the paper industry uses to take the pulp from brown pulp to white pulp.
Matt Carey…sickening. to all of you against MMS! Sickening! I personally never took it but read to the lack of intelligence and the IMMATURITY!!! YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO POST AN ARTICLE!! Especially when its concerning other people and their healths…you obviously never stressed in your life and spend way too much time arguing!! Picking of wording!! But an autistic child you never had to deal with!! How disgusting can one get to attack people and parents of autistic children leaving replies sharing their story about educating people about their success with MMS and giving hope to people looking for honest answers for their loved ones!! You should learn what biofilm is!! Before u think the colon is falling out…unless the scholar papers will be too complex for you to understand. Shame on you and the system and ignorance where the world is in danger from stupid influences as urselves! Medical error killer number 4!! And still no cures!!!! Learn that first!!!! But the biggest sadness is I pray for your SOUL that you are never faced with disease because MMS that could’ve help NOW WON’T!
MMS is a scam. It’s being banned as not only a scam but a harmful scammed in places around the world.
MMS gives false hope. Charlatans have been selling false hope since the start of time. And will be selling it long after I am gone. They count on people like you to spread the word.
“But an autistic child you never had to deal with!!”
Spent zero time actually reading this blog, did you?
The pulp tissue was dissolved in vitro, not in vivo. People use MMS to sterilize mouth infections without side effects.
Nope. Sorry. MMS is bleach. Weak bleach, but bleach.
But more to the point:
MMS IS A SCAM.
Sorry you were taken. But the fact that you go around the internet pulling others into the scam makes me unsympathetic.
“These experts are NOT doctors they are big Pharma representative selling you poison throughout your life that NEVER EVER cures anything, they treat the symptoms and they keep you on drugs for this and for that, that’s progress for you isn’t it?”
OK, I’ll bite. My BP, a month and a half ago, was 200/110, pulse ranging between 150 – 188 (at the latter number, loss of consciousness did occur, due to the heart not moving blood efficiently). Methimazole bound the excess thyroid hormone (OK, it’s a little more complicated than that), a beta blocker lowered my pulse rate and BP and now my left ventricular hypertrophy is resolving.
But, it’s not a cure and the nirvana fallacy is strong with you. Everything must have a two pill cure and zero side effects for it to be good in your book.
OK, show the courage of your convictions. When you’re in a car wreck, don’t go to the hospital. Go to the butcher and get a cheaper cut.
Most of my family owes our lives to modern medicine. We’d be dead without it.
But real medicine has done nothing according to fools like the one above
I guess my parents should have treated me with homeopathy, chelation (ironically developed by big pharma) supplements and a restrictive diet.
It ain’t no worse than chemo as a matter fact chemo is worse mustard gas break down immune system take out your hair mess up your nervous system then you die a horrible death I rather take MMS turpentine what my grandmother’s gave my mother coconut oil black seed oil all comes from God wake up
Except that chemo does something of value.
MMS is just a scam
“MMS”, sold as MMS is indeed a scam. The industrial chemical is invaluable in a large number of uses, including large scale water treatment. 😉
Ignorance is a condition that can be treated with education. Willfull stupidity cannot be treated at all.
Do look up the “Know Nothing” party and do consider the relevance today.
Frankly, I’m actually now somewhat of the opinion of the ancient greeks, the idios should be prohibited the vote.
Let’s review your comment.
Take chemotherapy for cancer, vs industrial chlorine for a non-fatal “condition” that varies by non-medical individual’s opinion.
Coconut oil is good, I’ve actually cooked with it, although my Arabian friend was nauseated by its smell, as women tended to use it to moisten their hair. Understandable, considering the hot and arid environment.
Oh, when cooking with coconut oil, *never* mix it with corn oil. Their different boiling points and a few other incompatible chemical factors result in a messy foam. Just. Don’t. Do. It.
Never played with black oil seed. Never met a god either.
The closest I’ve come to finding a god is finding the humor abounding in the existence of the platypus, both genetically, biologically and generally.
So, let’s circle back to a deathly disease and a spectrum of human behavior.
One, I’ll simply die if it goes untreated or mistreated. I’ll go with regrowing my hair, thank you and with being sicker than hell. Sick for a bit beats dead forever. If that wasn’t true, a lot of buddies from the war would’ve come back and told me how great being dead is. Sadly, only live people suggested that to me and I honestly don’t think that they have my best interests at heart.
As for the spectrum of human behavior, you can’t cure that without that dead thing, which cures everything, including life. See the above.
Oh, for the record, a variant of the ancient chemical warfare agent. I can explain the chemistry and biochemistry to you if you wish, in detail. That was part of my military training and I’d be more than happy to fill that void of ignorance with real scientific facts.
Personally, I’m glad for that specific treatment, as it saves lives, where its originator ended them by choking to death or dehydration. Apparently, you simply prefer dead.
I tend toward loving life. But then, to each his or her own.
As for messed up nervous systems, there are many ways to mess up one’s nervous system. I’ve been batted in the head in various ways, including close proximity to high explosive detonations, many times. I don’t recommend them, but reality is what it is. Ethanol consumption isn’t great for the central nervous system in any significant quantity. Smoking is horrible for it as well. Illicit drug use can be, depending upon the drug, ranging from horrific to fatal. Welcome to the real world, where life is inimical to the long term survival of your entire nervous system.
“My mother used” isn’t a very good excuse. My mother grew up when thorium water was *just* outlawed and people entirely failed to die from cancers caused by the radioisotope that was a patent “medicine”, didn’t have their jaws fall off from radium poisoning (well, since she was a toddler) and black salve was a cure all, if scarring treatment for infections and cancers we now use electrocautery, simple surgery or antibiotics. Apparently, you want to go back to leeches and bloodletting and no, that’s only effective for an excess of red blood cells and iron in the blood.
But then, you object to anything that might lessen your immune response, which strongly suggests that you’re against aging.
I can’t help you there, you can only help yourself. Either by psychological counseling or the illegal alternative. I strongly suggest the former.
I’ll retain “MMS” for water purification treatment, with the water used after neutralization.
It cured my 19 year old son in 8 months.
No, it didn’t. You are just another random anonymous person on the internet claiming cures and pushing other people into trying this nonsense.
MMS is abuse. Plain and simple. I am sorry for you and especially sorry for your child (should you actually have one) if you were tricked into using this. But that does not excuse you surfing the internet and trying to convince others to use this.
MMS is abuse.
Please can whoever is in charge of this post remove the fool called Sullivan (Matt Carey) He is the most stupid man I have ever come into contact with
You never came in contact with me.
Using low intelligence as a slur on a disability focused website. You MMS proponents are so classy.
You said above: “5% Chlorine dioxide is capable of dissolving human pulp tissue but sodium hypochlorite was more effective.”. 1% is one part in 100 parts. 1 ppm is 1 part in 1000000. Then 1% is 10000 ppm and 5% is 50000 ppm. The CDS solution is taken at a strenght of 100 or 50 ppm. This is 500 to 1000 times weaker than 5%. This also burns tissue ? I think no. Did you know that some eye drops have hydrochloric acid is his formula ? Uffff, and does not burn your eyes. Did you know the cause of autism or the cause of cancer ? No medical professional knows it. The cure efficiency of cancer by traditional medicine is below 3% (google about it), then, please, mister, let people seek other types of cure.(Cancer is one of easiest problems to cure but not with chemotherapy or radiation).
I let people seek cures. No way I can stop them.
But informing people that MMS is a SCAM is part of that.
MMS is a scam. Plain and simple. Sorry you were taken in.
What about the opiate SCAM? 601 licensed health care professionals arrested in August, a 2 billion dollar SCAM. Public was taken in by the largest fraud care fraud take down in history. Sleaze bag bum doctors and nurses, and big pharma dirt bags, 115 people die every day. A SCAM, the biggest SCAM ever. May they all rot in HELL!
Ah, the old “yes, what I support is obviously a scam, so I will try to divert attention by claiming there are other scams in the world!”
Coward. Face the fact that MMS is a scam and you are a supporter of a practice that abuses disabled children. Start making it right. Stop spreading misinformation.
Oh Yes I read about the parents being arrested everyday and placed in jail for the abuses. Send me a link to the parents that have been arrested, I sent you a link to 601 that have been arrested. You fabricated abuses, by those who own your mind.Drop Gorski and Novella and develop your own mind, where is your site on the opiate deaths? 72,000 deaths last year from opiate fraud by Big Pharma and licensed health care and not a peep out of you on any other blog? That is not important? Terrible and feeble logic Sullivan. You say lets go after Homeopathy, I say no lets start with going after Hypocrisy. Matt stop being a floorMatt for Gorski and Novella. You have been trained by Gorski all of us can see that here. Your blathering as if you have authority, but please spare us Matt, you are not a master of your own thoughts. No character your just a skanky foul headed hypocrite, WHERE IS THE BLOG ON THE 72,000 deaths? Such a low character lecturing the morality of a SCAM, not a peep from Matt on the biggest SCAM ever, your a bought shill Matt.
Explain to me how pumping bleach solution into disabled children as enemas is not abuse.
I’ll wait.
Keep in mind that MMS is a FRAUD. It DOESN’T WORK. So claiming it is some sort of DIY medicine is false.
Keep in mind that these disabled children do not have the ability to reject this.
Tell me how this isn’t abuse.
Tell me how using bleach to remove the intestinal linings of disabled children (and then claiming these are parasitic worms) isn’t abuse.
The fact that you have to resort to the “you are a bought shill” slander is evidence that you realize you have no evidence.
GO AWAY YOU DISGUSTING PARASITE ON MY COMMUNITY.
Seller of “Miracle Mineral Solution” Convicted for Marketing Toxic Chemical as a Miracle Cure
That’s a Department of Justice press release, by the way. Not a blog post. Not an opinion piece.
I am the parent of an autistic kid with multiple disabilities. I am paid by no one for writing here. These opinions are my own and are well backed by facts and analysis. I laugh whenever a fool like you claims the “Pharma shill” slander as evidence. It shows you make claims WITH NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. It shows that you are willing to attack and abuse those with whom you disagree. It shows that YOU ARE AFRAID OF THE TRUTH. That you need to diminish the people making rightful accusations against your beliefs, rather than work on the facts.
Show me where adverse reactions to MMS are catalogued and studied. Show me who in the MMS community is performing any sort of oversight.
You can’t because it doesn’t happen. Your claims of being interested in safety are all a cover. You DON’T CARE about safety. You care about defending this practice.
Calling it abuse hurts you. Obviously. Perhaps you should explore why it hurts (hint–because it is true) rather than attacking those who are calling MMS out.
So Bob,
what is your connection to MMS? You call people out as a shill yet cowardly hide your own connection. Are you in any way embittered that what appears to be your home country has actually shown the backbone to fight back against the MMS fraud?
Sale of controversial ‘miracle’ tonic results in dozens of charges
One couple in Canada faces charges over their business selling this junk
Are you also selling MMS? Profiting from it? Or perhaps giving it out for fake “donations” to some nonsense “church”?
Here in the US, Daniel Smith was convicted for his MMS marketing:
Seller of “Miracle Mineral Solution” Convicted for Marketing Toxic Chemical as a Miracle Cure
These are some of the heroes of your movement. Be proud, Bob Johnston, be proud. You keep such good company.
the prime proponent of MMS as a “cure” for autism is Kerri Rivera. Here’s what is stated in a document she signed:
“Respondent [Rivera] makes unsubstantiated health and medical claims regarding the use of chlorine dioxide in the treatment of autism. In truth and fact, Respondent lacks competent and reliable scientific evidence to support her claims that chlorine dioxide can treat autism. Respondent’s act of promoting unsubstantiated health and medical claims regarding the use of chlorine dioxide in the treatment of autism constitutes a violation of Section 2 of the Consumer Fraud Act.”
By her own admission, her claims are unsubstantiated.
By her own admission, she lacks evidence.
By her own admission, her actions violate the consumer fraud act.
But, please, try high school debate tricks to divert the conversation to big Pharma. Please, show the cowardice common to your community and refuse to respond head on to the well supported claims I have made. Please, wander the internet promoting what amounts to abuse of disabled children.
Be proud, Bob Johnston, be proud. If you are successful more disabled children will suffer pain needlessly. Be proud.
Oh, wait, here’s more. Remember when the Autism Research Institute put out a warning?
Warning Against Chlorine Dioxide Use
The autism research institute–which has a very long history of promoting dubious treatments (like chelation) for autism. Even they warned agains this nonsense.
Be proud, Bob Johnston. With luck, one or two more disabled children will suffer (yes, suffer) from MMS treatment because of your efforts.