Just Sayin’ Part II

28 Aug

28 Responses to “Just Sayin’ Part II”

  1. Dave Seidel August 28, 2006 at 14:43 #

    Excellent. I’m not a big Prodigy fan, but the track works perfectly here.

  2. clone3g August 28, 2006 at 14:54 #

    Nice Montage. Those some scary characters

  3. The Notorious Illuminata August 28, 2006 at 15:28 #

    I’ve noticed the black helicopter talk increasing on the EOH list lately. Next on my reading list: “When Prophecy Fails,” a book about how the response of millenialist cultists to the world not ending on their schedule is, generally and quite oddly, to redouble their convictions.

  4. Joseph August 28, 2006 at 15:34 #

    Very good. Sue (over at JBJr’s brand new comments page in his latest post) says you should expect a great rebuttal video. I hope that one shows some black helicopter footage.

  5. Kev August 28, 2006 at 15:39 #

    Joe – just a rebuttal of any kind would be a start for those guys ;o)

    And Dave – don’t like The Prodigy? Sacrilege! ;o)

  6. Sharon August 28, 2006 at 16:58 #

    That is excellent! The music is perfect, and your daughters are gorgeous.
    As for those others shown, poison peddlers the lot.

  7. Nathzn August 28, 2006 at 18:08 #

    Really good video,

    The basics of what you need to know about the merc-miltia all in one place.

    nice music to

  8. Elisabeth Clark August 28, 2006 at 18:23 #

    Hah! how cool is this?

  9. Ms Clark August 28, 2006 at 18:31 #

    The contrast between your beautiful girls and those autism “spokespeople” is really stark, about as stark as your beautiful girls and the trainwreck. This is fun. I want to see more.

  10. clone3g August 28, 2006 at 18:50 #

    I think Sue M.’s rebuttal video involves David Blain sawing her brain in half with no apparent cognitive effects?

    -Common Sense intact

  11. Kassiane August 29, 2006 at 01:08 #

    If only we could get THAT run on world wide TV….

  12. Catherina August 30, 2006 at 18:43 #

    this is brilliant – thank you!

  13. Brad August 31, 2006 at 19:14 #

    My reference to “trailier-dwelling coo-coos” was actually inspired by Autism Diva, who I don’t believe is autistic. I was not calling adult autistics trailer-dwelling coo-coos, but rather parents who believe their children’s autism cannot be cured.

    I’d appreciate if you’d make the correction to your nifty video.

    JB

  14. Kev August 31, 2006 at 19:50 #

    Autism Diva is, in fact, autistic. You also did not reference anyone by name, rather the group of people I associated with – of whom, the vast majority are autistic too. You were also asked many times to clarify your statement – by autistic people – and refused to do so, going on to call other autistic people mentally ill.

    My nifty video stays exactly as it is.

  15. Brad August 31, 2006 at 20:51 #

    Hey, butthead, I just clarified. The fact that I chose not to clarify on your timeframe is not the issue. What you wrote about me in your video is wrong, and I dispute it. My intention was not to refer to adult autistics as trailer dwelling coo-coos, but rather the parents of children who believe that autism cannot be cured. While I haven’t tracked down my actual statement, I’m certain it did not refer to adult autistics when using that comment, because that’s not who the term was being applied to. This is certainly the first time I’ve been made aware that Autism Diva is autistic. Pardon my skepticism, but Diva do you have a diagnosis for that?

    If you don’t want to clear up a mistake on your part, I guess that’s your right. But, it seems it would put you more in the camp of hyperbolist and propagandist, while showing a willingness to tolerate a factual discrepency that I have made you aware of. I’m sure you can find plenty of ways to portray me as an extremist without misappropriating quotes, no?

    JB

  16. Brad August 31, 2006 at 21:03 #

    And, one more gripe while I am at it.

    Kevin, you remind me a bit of David Kirby, but from the other side. You feign impartiality, but have some clear and obvious views that permeate your thinking and the way you interpret information.

    A classic example of that is your treatment of Wakefield. The attacks you make in your video attempt to portray him as nothing more than a scientist for hire working for vaccine litigants. The implication is clear: don’t trust anything he says or does.

    And yet, Wakefield continues to do very important research on the GI tract of our kids. Research that, in my opinion, could benefit everyone. Further, Wakefield is certainly not a card-caarrying member of the mercury militia, right? He’s all about measels. Do you think his published research, much of it recent, is just entirely bogus?

    Are you not, as a parent, interested to know if the GI issues of autistic kids are distinctive and therefore a possible clue as to the nature of what is causing their autism?

    It seems that with Wakefield you choose to dismiss him 100% because you perceive a bias in motivation, while in fact his work may ultimately benefit your daughter.

    Here’s a recent piece:

    http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/wakefield.pdf

    JB

  17. Kev August 31, 2006 at 21:52 #

    _”Hey, butthead, I just clarified.”_

    Hey butthead, no you didn’t. You whined. A trait you display openly and regularly. Here’s your exact quote:

    _”And, Kev, have you done research on the trailer-dwelling coo-coos you now are affiliated with?”_

    The vast majority of people I am ‘affiliated with’ are autistic. If you want to now whine that that’s not what you meant that’s your right. However, its quite obviously crap. As is your amusing attempt at pretence that you didn’t know Diva is autistic. How about all those other people I’m ‘affiliated with’? Didn’t know about them too?

    _”If you don’t want to clear up a mistake on your part, I guess that’s your right. But, it seems it would put you more in the camp of hyperbolist and propagandist, while showing a willingness to tolerate a factual discrepency that I have made you aware of.”_

    A sad truth Brad. You are known primarily because of your undisguised dislike for adult autistic people. That’s how the real autism community knows you. I simply don’t believe your hastily reconstructed defence of not actually referring to the people you quite clearly were referring to.

    _”I’m sure you can find plenty of ways to portray me as an extremist without misappropriating quotes, no?”_

    Brad, you manage that perfectly well all on your own.

    GR website:

    _”Autism is mercury poisoning”_

    Brad Handley yesterday on EoH:

    _”Guys, it ain’t ONLY the mercury.”_

    See what I mean?

    _”You feign impartiality”_

    I do? I don’t think I do at all. I’m quite open in my opinion that you’re about as wrong as its possible to be. If you mean I’m interested in honesty and accuracy then I’d certainly agree with that.

    If I want to listen to someone truly informed on GI issues as they relate to autism I’ll read Tim Buie, thanks.

  18. Brad August 31, 2006 at 22:18 #

    Hey Kevin:

    Looks like we can agree on one thing: Tim Buie is a great, credible scientist. I look forward to his future research, as should you.

    As for Diva, etc., your attempts to portray me as bigoted against adult autistics may further your view of the world, but it’s simply not true. If I thought Diva was autistic, why did I use her as the example of who my comment was directed towards. I thought Diva’s DAUGHTER was Autistic.

    I’d still like to see her diagnosis…

    Oh, and right, I’m the whiner . . .Cheerio,

    JB

  19. Brad August 31, 2006 at 22:20 #

    It’s not YouTube, but, hey, I certainly prefer the music:

    A Walk On Water.

  20. Kev August 31, 2006 at 23:23 #

    _”As for Diva, etc., your attempts to portray me as bigoted against adult autistics may further your view of the world, but it’s simply not true.”_

    You’re not listening Brad. As usual. _I’m_ not portraying you as bigoted. I’m merely repeating _your_ words. Your claim that you didn’t mean it to the people you referred to only seems to have happened _after_ this video. It certainly never came on the many times you were challenged about it. The perception of you in the real autism community is nothing that I or anyone else has engineered. It stems directly from your words and your actions. For example, lets hear you other terms of endearment for autistic adults:

    _”a bunch of self-admitted mentally ill adults”_

    Honestly, when you refer to people in that way, what do you expect? That they’ll feel you’re a great advocate for autism? Grow up.

    Tell you what JB, I’ll do you a deal. You sincerely apologise right here, right now for referring to adult autistic people as trailor dwelling coo-coos and mentally ill and I’ll remove everything I’ve said about you in the vid.

    _”If I thought Diva was autistic, why did I use her as the example of who my comment was directed towards.”_

    Because a) you’re not too bright and b) you meant exactly what you said. Seriously Brad? You must be the only person amongst your peers who didn’t know Diva was autistic.

    _”I thought Diva’s DAUGHTER was Autistic.”_

    How exactly would that preclude Diva from being autistic? I know this flew straight over your radar but autism is highly heritable.

  21. Brad September 1, 2006 at 00:37 #

    “The perception of you in the real autism community is nothing that I or anyone else has engineered.”

    Kevin:

    I’m glad you see fit to speak for the REAL autism community, whatever that means. For a guy with a blog with about 25 consistent posters, I think they call that delusions of grandeur.

    I’ve already stated my position on the coo-coo front, sorry if you don’t like it.

    And, I’m sorry, is autism NOT a mental illness in Britain?

    Cheerio,

    JB

  22. Kev September 1, 2006 at 06:03 #

    _”I’m glad you see fit to speak for the REAL autism community, whatever that means.”_

    How is me saying that I haven’t engineered any perception of you equatable to me saying I speak for the autism community?

    The real autism community is that populated by people who actually are autistic and their allies. I don’t speak for any of them. They are totally able to speak for themselves. They are also totally able to read and understand your words. You really should try to get out and read what autistic people think of you. They’re scared of you. They’re frightened by what you say and do. They resent you. These are people of whom the next generation may well be yours and my kids. I really do think this is an issue you could do with addressing.

    _”For a guy with a blog with about 25 consistent posters, I think they call that delusions of grandeur.”_

    Once again Brad – _readers_ – that’s what’s important. We all know how may readers GR and putchildrenfirst has (embarrassing but there it is). I average 3000 readers per day. A very small percentage of those people comment. I have no issue with that – their choice. What’s important to me is that they get an alternative to the deliberately misleading propaganda you churn out.

    _”I’ve already stated my position on the coo-coo front, sorry if you don’t like it.”_

    Yet again Brad, you _continue_ to miss the point. The _adult autistics_ you directed your remarks towards don’t like it. They knew perfectly well what you were getting at.

    _”And, I’m sorry, is autism NOT a mental illness in Britain?”_

    Not in the abusive sense that you meant it, no.

  23. century September 1, 2006 at 13:10 #

    Brad asked about Wakefield’s work and Kev replied –
    “If I want to listen to someone truly informed on GI issues as they relate to autism I’ll read Tim Buie, thanks.”

    Question for Kev – Does your daughter have GI symptoms, and if so was she been seen by the Royal Free (Hampstead) gastro team?

    And as a follow up – have you ever met or spoken to Andy Wakefield?

  24. Kev September 1, 2006 at 13:21 #

    No she doesn’t and no I haven’t. The closest I’ve come is listening to a few audio and video presentations.

  25. Ruth September 1, 2006 at 13:58 #

    JB-
    Nice film. The problem is my child has ‘recovered’ from where she was 5 years ago without chelation, GFCF diet or any other unproven treatment. She is as articulate as the boy in the film, but she talks about planets (she’s pro-Pluto), the need to preserve the rain forest, and Pascal’s triangle. She doesn’t drone on and on about her medical case history. If Buttar charges $800/hr for a consult, he can afford to pay a lab to test his cream to see if it actually passes the skin and gets into the blood. Why prove the science when you can milk the gullible for free?

    The GI tract and the brain formation occur in the same time frame, so it is not surprising that SOME kids have GI problems along with PDD. Whatever changes in regulatory genes affect neuron migration may affect other systems. Lots of ASD kids have elf ears, too. Kids with Down’s syndrome often have heart defects as well as the obvious facial differences.

  26. grim for the Geiers September 1, 2006 at 15:49 #

    Lots of ASD kids have widely spaced eyes and strabismus, too. Will Redwood is no more cured than any average PDD,nos teen is and Will’s had every treatment in the book starting with Secretin injections. He’s had ABA.

    The thing I really loved about the clip besides it showing the snake-oil selling Buttar, is that they have Geier on there! If Geier ends up in jail for insurance fraud or worse, will they declare him a martyr and add that to the film? He’s in bed with big pharma, besides apparently torturing little kids with too many blood draws and draining their parents’ resources for his “study”. Then there’s creating his own IRB after the research had started to rubber stamp it, besides obvious plagiarism of a Verstraeten rough draft that is on the SAFE MINDS site, and that besides a shakey history before he got into autism. Oh, yeah, he’s a regular hero. He can’t talk about autism without smirking, ever notice that?

  27. clone3g September 1, 2006 at 16:17 #

    Brad Said: Further, Wakefield is certainly not a card-caarrying member of the mercury militia, right? He’s all about measels.

    I wouldn’t call him a card carrying member but he is certainly supportive of the lot. How many mercury moms, dads, and docs are represented on the Thoughtful House site?

    Blaxill supports Wakefield even though he doesn’t think MMR has caused and increase in autism. Steve Walker has tried to do research to show an association between autism and both measles and thimerosal.

    If Andy is so damn convinced it’s the measles, why isn’t he speaking out against the thimerosal hypothesis?

    Do you think his published research, much of it recent, is just entirely bogus?

    As a matter of fact I do think it’s bogus, or at least the part where he reports the presence of the measles virus, so no, not entirely. The fact that he continues to link his findings of GI inflammation to measles virus makes it difficult for other researchers to take an interest and investigate it properly.

    If this unique pattern of ileocolonic lymphoid nodular hyperplasia is more common to autistic children Wakefield should be doing his best to facilitate replication and confirmation. If he has so much confidence in the presence of the virus he should be doing his best to find independent researchers to apply other techniques in different labs in an effort to duplicate his findings.

    To put it in VC terms you might understand, asking Walker to confirm the presence of measles using the same assay and primers would be like asking you to invest in a company that will only appear profitable if you use their custom designed accounting software.

  28. Ms Clark September 1, 2006 at 17:58 #

    I think Andy (_Dr. Dreamy_ they call him, isn’t it?) Wakefield *is* a card carrying member of the mercury militia, maybe he thinks of himself as an auxilliary, but he spoke at one of the hysterical rallies that mercury mom’s had in Washington DC. It wasn’t an “antivax” rally or an “autism” rally, it was a “mercury poisoning by thimerosal” rally, not terribly well attended, though.

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