Just Sayin: Part III

20 Responses to “Just Sayin: Part III”

1. anonimouse September 26, 2006 at 15:15 #

   You missed the fact that just about every person in that trailer has a financial incentive to support their idiotic theory:

   1. Boyd Haley has a for-profit company that creates heavy metal testing techniques

   2. David Kirby has hitched his wagon to the autism crew, speaking at any autism conference that will have him

   3. Mark Geier is trying to patent a terrifically stupid and dangerous pharmaceutical protocol to “cure” autism

   4. Rashid Buttar has been trying to market TD-DMPS and other quack theories in the treatment of autism

   5. Lyn Redwood is a plantiff in a lawsuit against vaccine manufacturers

   And the movie is slated to come out right before the Autism Omnibus proceedings.

   I think it’s time for me to come up with my own documentary on the autism/mercury link. I’m going to channel Al Franken and call it “Lying Liars and The Lies They Tell In Order To Make A Buck Off Of Scared, Ill-Informed Parents”.
2. clone3g September 26, 2006 at 17:56 #

   Thanks for pointing out all of the obvious logical fallacies in this disturbing piece of manipulative propaganda.

   The capper is seeing Lynn balling over the loss of her son.

   Maybe Autism Specks can incorporate this video into their next PSA.
3. ameliorator September 26, 2006 at 19:43 #

   I just happened on this tidbit of commentary about Mark Geier:

   “The Special Master also questioned Dr. Geier’s qualifications because he is not certified in the areas of rheumatology, pathology, or immunology….On the record, the court cannot discern any reversible error in the Special Master’s findings that Dr. Geier did not prove the temporal relationship between Still’s disease and the vaccination.”

   Pafford v. Secretary of HHS, US Court of Appeals, Federal Circuit, 6/20/06

   Yet another instance of Geier pimping himself out as a pretend expert. And getting caught.

   The thimerosal/MMR plaintiffs think he’s a knight riding up on a white steed to vindicate them…little do they know he’s just going to snatch their money and ride off leaving a trail of horsepucky behind.
4. Ms. Clark September 26, 2006 at 20:28 #

   It’s so funny they shoot Geier in his basement laboratory with the fume hood that probably is not supposed to be in a home in a residential neighborhood according to local law. I wonder what kind of chemicals he’s venting out that hood and if those chemicals just go into the neighborhood air?

   How incredible that they give Buttar the last word on “truth.” Who’s a bigger liar than him? Where’s all his promised data on TD DMPS?

   http://cajuncowboy.com/Dr.Buttar.htm
   This guy isn’t too happy with Buttar and warns people not to go to Buttar now. One thing he wrote about Buttar:

   “( many of my veins are collapsed from too many IV’s and my hemorrhoids were aggravated by too many coffee enemas and who knows what else?)”
5. clone3g September 26, 2006 at 20:40 #

   hemorrhoids: Nature’s way of reminding you to cut back on the Java
6. David N. Andrews MEd (Dec 2006) September 26, 2006 at 20:56 #

   C3G: “hemorrhoids: Nature’s way of reminding you to cut back on the Java”

   Nah…

   hemorrhoids: Nature’s way of reminding you to cut back on the All Bran!
7. Ms. Clark September 26, 2006 at 22:21 #

   Collapsed veins: nature’s way of telling you to run like the dickens from chelationist quacks.

   I wonder if the people who filmed Buttar knew about his business in urine injections? Filtered urine injections, of course.
8. anonimouse September 26, 2006 at 22:42 #

   I always wondered if Buttar’s urine injections were ionized or super oxygenated. If so, he should get out of the autism business and go into the sport drink industry.
9. Jim September 27, 2006 at 07:01 #

   As a surfer myself, I have to cringe at the spectral images of Geier, Haley, Buttar and Co. juxtaposed with those beautiful waves. I hesitate to leap to judgment based solely on this trailer, but all signs are that this film is a well-meaning but utterly muddleheaded take on the mercury=autism “debate.” Coastal pollution (largely from urban runoff) is a major and important health issue, but how you get from there to thimerosal is … well, you don’t, if you have any intellectual honesty and common sense. (Unless maybe they’re arguing that all the leftover doses of thimerosal-preserved vaccine got tossed into storm drains, complete with syringes, and now lie waiting to stick beachgoers with what Haley so sensitively terms “mad child disease.”)
   Surfers have a word for the more clueless among their ranks, and i think it fits this crowd, too: Kooks.
10. Jonathan Semetko September 27, 2006 at 18:19 #

    Damn, nice take down Kevin.

    I loved the progression, from a bunch of “experts” testifying on why autism is for sure caused by thimerosal, to a crying mother at the end.

    Can we say “appeal to emotion”?
11. Kev September 27, 2006 at 19:00 #

    Shit, I knew I’d missed one ;o)
12. awalkonwater October 1, 2006 at 08:36 #

    Jim,

    The film is not a muddleheaded take on the mercury=autism debate. Take a look at the website and read the films brief http://www.awalkonwater.com. Its really simple. Thimerosal is mercury and mercury is bad. Whether if its in vaccinations, the environment, fish etc. its all bad. We need to do away with it as much as possible. We all need to be aware of what we put in our bodies, our children’s bodies.

    I am so proud that you call yourself a surfer and you know such an important dialect. The last time I heard some one say kook was back in late the 80’s or in the movie North Shore. Be careful who you judge. Maybe, I will see you out at Malibu. Make sure you say hello. I am sure you are easy to recognize with your webs and zinka.

    Cheers,
    Pat
    A Walk On Water
13. David N. Andrews MEd (Dec 2006) October 1, 2006 at 11:05 #

    My mind’s doing weird things to me…

    “I wonder if the people who filmed Buttar knew about his business in urine injections? Filtered urine injections, of course.”

    Q- what do you call a sarcastic cowboy?

    A- Tex Piss!

    *Cut to film clip of Rashid Buttar, dressed up in Wild-West gear being mean to some poor sod whom he’s catheterising…*

    I’ll get me coat…..
14. Kev October 1, 2006 at 16:30 #

    _”The film is not a muddleheaded take on the mercury=autism debate.”_

    That’s exactly what it is. Your film is poor, the science underpinning it is woeful and to hear Rashid Buttar talking about the truth coming out is hilarious given that not a few of his ex-patients consider him a quack who ripped them off.

    I don’t give a monkeys about surfing but your film is subtitled ‘autism mercury and environment’. I don’t know (or care) about your stance relating to the environment but about the first two things you are poorly informed and will continue to be challenged. You are doing the autism community no favours with quackery promoting, science-less rubbish like this.
15. Movie Making Surf Poser October 1, 2006 at 16:39 #

    “I am so proud that you call yourself a surfer and you know such an important dialect. The last time I heard some one say kook was back in late the 80’s or in the movie North Shore. Be careful who you judge. Maybe, I will see you out at Malibu. Make sure you say hello. I am sure you are easy to recognize with your webs and zinka.”

    Oh look, an extra from “Surf Nazis Must Die” came by to comment. You sir, are a surf dick.

    Here’s some more tripe from this type of person:
    “Locals only, Dude! Yer stealin’ my wave and my groove. Look, brah, I’m cool even if I don’t know what I’m talking about. Dude, it’s like, you know, autism, yeah, and yeah. See?”
16. Joseph October 1, 2006 at 16:43 #

    Thimerosal is mercury and mercury is bad. Whether if its in vaccinations, the environment, fish etc. its all bad.

    If that’s all the film did, maybe you wouldn’t get much of an argument (and it would be a terrible and useless film still).

    But the film clearly argues that thimerosal causes autism, which is an idea already obsoleted by a mountain of scientific research and plain observation of reality. The film also gives the impression that the Geiers and Haley are experts on the matter, when exactly the opposite has been proven in court.
17. mike stanton October 1, 2006 at 17:20 #

    I notice that Pat has not addressed any of the substantial points that you make Kev.

    1. Haley and Geier have both had their expert testimony dismissed by the courts and their status as expert witnesses has been severely questioned.
    2. Buttar is a quack. He is an osteopath with no specialist training in cardiology, toxicology, oncology or gerontology but he still offers treatment advice for heart disease, heavy metal poisoning, cancer and for aging. He is of course equally well qualified to treat autism.
    3. The vaccine phials shown in the movie either contain no mercury or are not given to young children. Why are those shots included?
    4. Everyone featured in the film has a financial interest in the mercury autism connection.
    5. There is no scientifically credible evidence for a mercury autism connection.

    And here is a thought from me. Mercury is not bad. Unlocking it in coalburning power stations and letting it into the atmosphere and from there into the food chain is bad.

    Using really small amounts to preserve vaccines in multi-use phials is really good. Without it some of the poorest countries in the world would not be able to afford to vaccinate their populations. The mercury in vaccines has not harmed your child. Banning it will cause serious harm to the world’s poor.
18. Jonathan Semetko October 1, 2006 at 17:52 #

    Hi Pat,

    “The film is not a muddleheaded take on the mercury=autism debate.”
    Okay, but it does use show people who use an awful lot of fallacies.

    “Take a look at the website and read the films brief http://www.awalkonwater.com.”

    Been there, it still looks like a film about people who use an awful lot of fallacies in their reasoning.

    “Its really simple. Thimerosal is mercury and mercury is bad. Whether if its in vaccinations, the environment, fish etc. its all bad. We need to do away with it as much as possible. We all need to be aware of what we put in our bodies, our children’s bodies.”

    Atcually it is methyl-mercury, which then may break down to mercury in the body.

    Also, while I agree that mercury is bad and belongs in no one’s body it is a bit of a leap to say that “mercury is bad” ergo, “mercury causes autism”. That would actually be a non-sequitur in this case.
19. Ms. Clark October 1, 2006 at 21:24 #

    Whether or not mercury “belongs” in anyone’s body it *is* ubiquitous and *is* in everyone’s body, and perhaps at lower levels now than in the past. There is no evidence that a class of people “can’t handle” heavy metals, and there sure is no evidence that autistic children can’t handle heavy metals.

    Hey! Pat you forgot to interview the DAN! hero who is also a convicted child molester, but you get points for getting people who don’t know what they are talking about (Haley, Geier, Buttar, Redwood) have conflicts of interest (just about everyone in your film from the world of autism/mercury (including the lady with the fake-looking tears – You told her not to wear make-up right?) and a couple who might be in jail by the time your little movie is released (for fraud).

    If there’s no evidence that mercury at the levels existant in vaccines (currently or in the past) has ever hurt ONE person, and there is no such evidence, then there’s no reason to take mercury out of vaccines. If it weren’t for lawsuit driven freaks screaming, ‘IT’S A KNOWN NEUROTOXIN!” No one would be terriefied of mercury now, just as people were not terrified of it when everyone had it in their medicine chests in the form of bottles of merthiolate and mercurochrome for daubing on open wounds. Just like no one was freaked out about thimerosal when it was a common preservative in contact lens solution…

    Every element on earth is a ‘NEUROTOXIN” at a particular dose. Ask a real chemist. Haley’s the only twit that goes around saying it’s a neurotoxin at “nanomolar” concentrations. People used to massively dose themselves with mercury, not the best idea, but it was common. It was the favored treatment for lots of stuff in the 1800’s, and people want to stinking have hissy fits over nanomolar amounts?? Get real.

    Dude. Truth is like gnarly to the max. Your little movie stinks on ice. Just wait until it’s released and reporters start looking into who these heros really are.. bummer, dude. Like Patagonia is going to look like rilly rilly stoooopid dorks n’ some junk.
20. David N. Andrews MEd (Dec 2006) October 3, 2006 at 09:50 #

    The decision’s back, and it doesn’t look good for GR!

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