Just Sayin’ Part IV

18 Nov

19 Responses to “Just Sayin’ Part IV”

  1. Ms. Clark November 18, 2006 at 23:25 #

    Incroyable! Merci, M. Kev.

  2. Joseph November 18, 2006 at 23:34 #

    That was very good.

    The question of coincidence is not even something that can be reasonable considered. These are instances of classic plagiarism. It could even become a case study of plagiarism. It clearly contains lifted phrases, more so, for example, than this example from Princeton’s website, or this example from Indiana U.

    If the Geiers held a position in some well known institution, they would be fired immediately, no question.

    If Kathleen keeps digging, it’s scary to think what she might come across.

  3. notmercury November 18, 2006 at 23:46 #

    That’s enough for me. Shameless they are.

    (Good song choice)

  4. David N. Andrews MEd (12-2006) November 18, 2006 at 23:56 #

    So…

    Geier Big has a doctorate in medicine and another in genetics; Baby Geier has a BA in biology (with next to no biochemistry); and the best they can do is to rip off a paper from 5 yrs before their publication?

    Mind you… this is the pair that JBJr puts above everybody else as being the mouths of God on the autism issue… and this is why:

    They keep repeating other folks’ stuff and so does he. No thinking ability between the three of them.

  5. Do'C November 19, 2006 at 00:07 #

    Obviously, this would be unethical, but
    wouldn’t this also be illegal or something long those lines?

  6. Kev November 19, 2006 at 00:07 #

    _”Good song choice”_

    I chose it specifically for the:

    “…woooo-OOO-OOO-ooooo…”

    bits ;o)

  7. notmercury November 19, 2006 at 00:25 #

    Not sure if copyright laws would apply since it was lifted from something that wasn’t published in a journal, if I’m not mistaken, but it was obtained through FOIA and represented as the Geiers’ own words and submitted to a journal. Can’t be legal, can it?

  8. Kathleen Seidel November 19, 2006 at 02:28 #

    Aw, shucks, Kev!

  9. ameliorator November 19, 2006 at 03:01 #

    In light of the paper recently discussed by B. Cubbins (finding neurological impairment in non-lead-poisoned rats treated with DMSA), I think it is quite possible that these chelationistas have been shooting themselves up with their own stash. Or, you know, maybe they’re just naturally devoid of any conscience, judgment, or sense of shame.

  10. Rescue Angle: 45 degrees from horizontal November 19, 2006 at 05:26 #

    If this were the 3rd grade, Dr. Geier would have been assigned to copy 10 pages in the dictionary for his little cut/paste fun. But in this strange version of 3rd grade, kids can be abused and experimented upon, and their parents can be duped into coughing up their savings accounts.

    I’m thinking that someone needs his @ss in jail over these crimes.

  11. David N. Andrews MEd (12-2006) November 19, 2006 at 05:31 #

    ameliorator: “Or, you know, maybe they’re just naturally devoid of any conscience, judgment, or sense of shame.”

    Most likely.

  12. Junior November 19, 2006 at 16:26 #

    “I chose it specifically for the:

    “…woooo-OOO-OOO-ooooo…”

    bits ;o)”

    That’s the part that’s been stuck in my head since yesterday. 🙂

  13. alyric November 20, 2006 at 00:44 #

    The dedication is a beaut:) My sentiments also.

    The thing about the Geiers is that they need to be stopped – now. You’re in the UK, so maybe what you say doesn’t count much with the authorities but it has to have some influence even if broadcasting a certain amount of incredulity that children apparently are not protected in the US. If there are authorities that are supposed to protect children, they don’t seem to be effective. Otherwise this Lupron Protocol would never have gotten off the ground let alone get as far as it has. What are they up to -100 children on Lupron (off-label and overdose levels)?

    Just thinking that one avenue for complaint that should be tried is the ASA, particularly through Stephen Shore. As I wrote on AWARES, I really don’t think organisations like ASA are going to get the idea that standing up for autistic children and standing in front of their abusers(desperado parents, professionals who see autistics as so much career fodder or quacks such as Geier, pere et fils)is part of their job description. And they won’t see that unless it is made very clear that it is expected that they will stand up for the protection of autistics.

  14. Regan November 20, 2006 at 06:17 #

    Thanks for the video Kev, and Kathleen for the amazing investigative work.

    Anyone consider sending this video or the papers with the relevant passages highlighted to Verstraaten, et. al.? I think that is someone who would have a very personal interest in the matter and perhaps some suggestions on taking positive action. A question that I have is whether the passages were cited as someone else’s work appropriately. I’m not up to date on how much you can use, even with proper citation, before it becomes true plagiarism; the examples seem excessive…and strictly speaking, not correct since 50 micrograms of ethylmercury are not going to translate to 50 micrograms of free mercury.

    Sorry, I haven’t read the Geier’s paper myself, but if the publisher/journal is respectable at all, they are also supposed to help in the matter of policing instances of plagiarism that they publish. If it’s a vanity press publisher with bogus peer review, scratch that suggestion.

    Regan

  15. anonimouse November 20, 2006 at 18:58 #

    The Geiers are so obviously lying it’s not even funny. You know how I know?

    The dataset the Geiers had permission to use was different than the dataset that Verstaeten used. There’s no way in the world they could’ve come up with the same results. It’s physically impossible.

    I can’t wait for the Omnibus hearings to hear the complete and utter beatdown that these clowns will receive.

  16. Broken Link November 21, 2006 at 03:48 #

    anonimouse, I agree. Yes, that’s the whole point of the G$G (G&g) exercise. They are after the money – first as expert witnesses, and then as prescribing doctors. I think that most of their oeuvre is aimed at establishing credibility in the Omnibus proceedings. They must be pretty discouraged about their chances at present. Or maybe they are just delusional.

  17. Kristjan Wager November 21, 2006 at 23:01 #

    Brilliant.

  18. Anne November 23, 2006 at 05:35 #

    Ha! Now that’s what I call replication.

  19. notmercury November 23, 2006 at 14:34 #

    Anne said: Ha! Now that’s what I call replication.

    Too funny Anne.

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