Since bleach wasn’t enough, let’s start adding hydrochloric acid to MMS?

27 Aug

MMS. Miracle Mineral Solution is dangerous bunk. They’ve taken such a hit with people exposing it as bunk that they’ve started rebranding themselves as “CD” of “Chlorine Dioxide”.

The basic idea is that there are bad things inside you that make you sick. And by sick, they include autistic. If you ingest something that kills the bad things, or take enemas that kill the bad things, you will no longer be sick. There’s a lot of handwaving about how this only works on the bad things and not the good things like, say, the tissues in your body.

It’s nonsense. Dangerous nonsense.

MMS stands for Miracle Mineral Solution. It’s not a miracle. It’s not a mineral. It is a solution made by combining two other solutions to get chlorine dioxide in solution. The two starter solutions are sodium chlorite (a powerful bleach) and citric acid.

Well if citric acid is “good”, how can we make it “better” some have asked?

A New Simpler MMS: CDH – Chlorine Dioxide Holding (01-04-2014)

Here’s what they say:

While CDS has no raw materials left in the final product, CDH does, making it similar to classic MMS. The main difference between classic MMS and CDH, however, is that the sodium chlorite is allowed to react with the acid for a much longer period of time which reduces the amount of unactivated sodium chlorite and activator left in the final CDH solution. Then, since CDH is more fully activated outside of the body, it causes little or no stomach upset in most people. Also, CDH made with 4% HCl tastes much better. (Note: For those who still have a problem with the taste, “Sweetleaf” brand liquid stevia has been tested and is compatible with MMS, thus can be used to make it taste even better.)

If you took high school or college chemistry you probably remember the very sharp aroma of HCl. You may remember how it can burn skin and the lining of your nose. It’s nasty stuff. Sure, they’ve got relatively dilute HCl (4%), but, still, WHAT ARE THEY THINKING? (and after that–people are looking at 10% HCl! There is something seriously wrong here)

MMS/CD/CDH, whatever you want to call this, it’s a scam. People post to Facebook pictures of the intestinal linings of their disabled kids, passed with the help of MMS enemas. They caption these pictures with statements about how MMS killed “worms”. Rather than go to a doctor and see if there are real parasites, they are self-diagnosing and self-treating and causing harm.

One of the main avenues for promoting this to the autism community is the AutismOne parent convention, where MMS pracitioner Terri Kerri Riviera sells her services under the guise of “scientific” presentations.

And all the people presenting at AutismOne stand by and don’t say a word. The supposed leaders in that community don’t seem to have the ability to spot scam artists (which is pretty obvious given the years they have spent promoting Andrew Wakefield, to give just one example). They also lack courage. They rarely if ever stand up to anyone who is promoting obvious and dangerous nonsense.

The all show up, promote themselves, their goods and services, and go home. It’s time for them to show some courage. They can put a stop to this. Instead they lend their names and credibility to this obvious scam.


By Matt Carey


By Matt Carey

49 Responses to “Since bleach wasn’t enough, let’s start adding hydrochloric acid to MMS?”

  1. Miss Irritated August 27, 2014 at 12:26 #

    Sounds like these nuts out here running a pyramid scheme to get me to buy in and put my son on something called Protandin. LIFE VANTAGE is there corporate name and it’s dangerous also!

    • Tsu Dho Nimh November 4, 2015 at 15:32 #

      WTF … let’s just skip straight to battery acid!

  2. Lec August 27, 2014 at 12:53 #

    It scares me how much leaders don’t do to prevent things like this. I always wonder how much is known by the person that is lending their credibility to things like this, but I honestly don’t know what would be worse – not looking into something that you are in essence recommending or knowing and still doing it anyway.

  3. chavisory August 27, 2014 at 13:51 #

    I’m a little at a loss as to how this isn’t criminal?

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) August 27, 2014 at 17:56 #

      I don’t know. We have a lot of protections in the U.S. for alternative medicine and people who can get under that umbrella can get away with a lot. Consider Boyd Haley and his OSR#1. What happened? They pulled it from the shelves. He markets an untested drug as a “supplement” and gets a slap on the wrist.

      The MMS charlatans have found a way to stay under the regulatory radar.

  4. Heather August 27, 2014 at 15:34 #

    http://www.bancdmms.com/ this is child abuse, we are trying to stop it, please join us

    • rixtertrader February 11, 2015 at 02:37 #

      Nearly 200 Autistic children cured and you want to stop it? I don’t understand the logic.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 11, 2015 at 03:46 #

        “Nearly 200 Autistic children cured and you want to stop it? I don’t understand the logic.”

        So, someone selling bleach, books on bleach and her services as a consultant in your experiments with bleach says she’s cured kids and you just believe it?

        You have a low standard for evidence. No wonder you believe in MMS.

        163 Children Healed From Autism? Nope.

      • rix February 11, 2015 at 04:32 #

        I’m sorry, but your insisting that it is bleach is what gives you away as not having all the facts.

        You think just because it smells like bleach that it is bleach? Seriously? I would say that if you are really interested in ‘evidence’ that you would spend a bit more time investigating what ‘bleach’ really is.

        It is a FACT that Sodium Chlorite and its product Chlorine Dioxide is being used successfully for the purpose of healing serious illnesses. Someone has actually patented and gained approval for human use with a product that relies on these chemical compounds (see “WF 10”, “WF10 Granted Full Approval By Thailand Government”).

        One patent is here in the US, but the FDA won’t have none of it (what a surprise!).

        Do I require a low standard of evidence? No. But I don’t have my head in the sand either, thinking the FDA is looking out for my well-being while getting big bucks from the Big Pharma guys to shove useless poison down my throat.

        It doesn’t take a genius to separate those who are honestly reporting on their own experiences and those who seem to have an agenda. I just happen to be someone who has ‘personal experience’ in spending thousands being treated with pharmaceuticals prescribed by dozens of doctors and only getting worse over time.

        What has cured me of 4 decades of illnesses, giving me the power to be healthy (now entering year 10 of health) is when I decided to go it on my own. Scary, yes. But what was my alternative? Same same for another 4 decades? No way! I’d be dead long before then or just not having a very good time living.

        I learned by simply hearing what others claimed, and weighing it all as either probable or pure baloney. There are a lot of sincere people out there trying to tell their story and then there are people like you that shoo-shoo what they have to say as if they are all just out to get you. Think man! When I watch people like Andreas Kalcker talking about MMS, I think to myself (what is his motive?) The man shares his knowledge on many things, MMS is only one of them. He’s never gotten a dime from me.

        It just seems like some people are too smart for their own good and think the worse of others. That’s a shame. Have a tried MMS? Yes, I have. But I’m already healthy last 9-10 years and so don’t see the point in daily use. But I continue to investigate claims, comments, testimonials, consider motives, etc.

        Did you know that Chlorine is one of the 90 basic building blocks of matter? It is combined with other elements to disinfect our water, and used in knee and hip joint replacement products.

        Over 2000 naturally occurring chlorine-containing compounds have been identified in living organisms.

        Human beings CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT CHLORINE! That’s a fact. Chloride plays an essential role in our body.

        “Chloride ions are building blocks of hydrochloric acid, which is essential to our digestive system. Hydrochloric acid, made in the stomach, has two main purposes: to help destroy germs that arrive with food; and to help break down foods, ensuring that essential nutrients are made available to the body.” Chlorine.americanchemistry.com

        “Chlorine is also essential to the immune system, which is charged with fighting off the daily invasion of germs. When infections take place, hypochlorite—a chlorine-containing compound which is a well-known disinfectant—forms in white blood cells. Hypochlorite either attacks germs or helps to activate other disinfecting agents.” Chlorine.americanchemistry.com

        To simply call it “bleach” is foolish and purely ignorant, or downright misleading.

      • rixtertrader March 23, 2016 at 17:36 #

        I don’t believe in MMS, nor believe against it. I’m just open-minded and able to gather meta-data on the subject.

        Why are you so quick to call all those people liars? That’s what I don’t get.

        What I’ve seen of Andreas Kalcker tells me he is a man who isn’t trying to deceive anyone. He didn’t invent this stuff. He isn’t making money on it. The man comes across intelligent, well informed, and having first-hand experience with talking with those people and using it on his dog and then himself for his arthritis issues which he said it cured.

        There is no mistake the guy is a genius.

        A low standard of evidence, IMHO, is to listen to you folks here who have no first-hand knowledge of this. You’re working off fears, and propaganda, and hearsay. So how do you differ than I, except you are quick to call a whole swatch of people liars.

        That video on the Red Cross using MMS to cure Malaria was quite telling. And the fact they later claimed it never happened even though the video shows it did in fact happen, shows how the powers to be do not want this out there. You want to claim that it was all made up also?

        But again, and let me make myself clear, I do not personally know one way or the other whether it is a cure. I just find the information out there to be quite eye-opening on its effectiveness.

      • Lawrence February 11, 2015 at 10:17 #

        If I can make up a sample of this stuff – put it on clothes & have it have the same effect as if I sprayed bleach directly from the cleaning bottle, it means it’s “bleach.”

      • rix February 11, 2015 at 19:23 #

        No. It means it has the ‘ability’ to bleach.

        For example, vinegar, lemons, even sunlight can bleach, yet we don’t refer to them as bleach.

        When you assign the word “bleach” as part of your argument, you are misleading people to think it is the same as laundry bleach (ie. Chlorox). It simply is not.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 11, 2015 at 19:36 #

        It is amazing how hard you guys work to avoid the fact that this is a bleach. It is used as a bleach in industry. It has a bleaching action. It is a bleach. Your denial does you no service.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 11, 2015 at 19:37 #

        No one is saying it is laundry bleach.

        You are asserting that laundry bleach is the only solution we can call a bleach. It is a false assertion.

      • rixtertrader March 23, 2016 at 17:28 #

        Do you know how many things we eat bought from the store is “bleached”? Bleaching can also be done by the Sun. Perhaps we should have the FDA shut down the sun until we can have a multi-year study on its bleaching effect. Hmm?

      • brian February 11, 2015 at 15:30 #

        “I’m sorry, but your insisting that it is bleach is what gives you away as not having all the facts.”

        The main application of sodium chlorite is the generation of chlorine dioxide for bleaching and stripping of textiles, pulp, and paper.

        According to wikipedia:

        Bleaching

        Chlorine dioxide is sometimes used for bleaching of wood pulp in combination with chlorine, but it is used alone in ECF (elemental chlorine-free) bleaching sequences. It is used at moderately acidic pH (3.5 to 6). The use of chlorine dioxide minimizes the amount of organochlorine compounds produced. Chlorine dioxide (ECF technology) currently is the most important bleaching method world wide. About 95% of all bleached Kraft pulp is made using chlorine dioxide in ECF bleaching sequences.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide

      • rix February 11, 2015 at 19:19 #

        Yes Brian, it can be used for bleaching purposes, and it is. But it is not the same as what many are being led to believe, that of “chlorine bleach”, like Chlorox for example, to whiten your clothes.

        You don’t want to ingest “chlorine bleach”. Chlorine Dioxide, however, is not the same.

        In fact, in many commercial applications such as water purification, Chlorine Dioxide is being touted as the better “alternative” to standard chlorine water treatment, which is considered cancer causing. The choice to go to CL02 is because it does not have detrimental effects on health when used in the correct dilution ratios.

        Last night I did additional searches on the application of Chlorine Dioxide, watch a ton of “commercial” science videos and read a bunch of their press releases, etc., noting a common thread on how it is used to benefit the environment, rid of toxins, bacteria, etc. and left harmless to man.

        You can also bleach things with vinegar, lemons, baking soda, for example. Just because something has the ability to bleach does not make it bad for people.

      • rixtertrader March 23, 2016 at 17:26 #

        Let’s back up here. Wikipedia? Seriously? You do realize that it is an open edited site. For all you know, I wrote that.

        The chemistry of chlorine dioxide is radially different than that of chlorine.

        Salt, which is important for life and health, is Sodium Chloride.

        Sodium CHLORIDE.

        Chlorine dioxide reacts differently with organics than chlorine, and they generate different by-products.

        The USDA has approved it for bacterial and mold control on meat and poultry processing plants.

        Chlorine dioxide primary reaction is that of oxidation. This is different than Chlorine, that produces harmful by-products that are carcinogens.

        While there are other oxidants in the marketplace, like peroxide, CD oxidation is more selective.

        There is a good writeup at cdautism.org

      • Garrett Âû November 1, 2015 at 08:05 #

        What if we don’t want to be cured?
        Why do you want to get rid of us, what makes us the people we are?

  5. Clay February 11, 2015 at 06:11 #

    “Human beings CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT CHLORINE! That’s a fact. Chloride plays an essential role in our body.”

    What a hilariously misleading argument. While it’s true, CHLORIDE plays an essential role in the body, you’re trying to make the leap here that because the body needs chloride, then chlorine must be safe.

    Your body gets all the chloride ions it needs from breaking down salt that you eat/drink.

    If you were to try to use chlorine as a supply of chloride for your body, you would die. It was used as a chemical weapon in WWI, for crying out loud.

    • rix February 11, 2015 at 18:37 #

      What is misleading is calling chlorine dioxide “chlorine”. They are NOT the same.

      A simple search on chlorine dioxide will turn up many science based commercials for companies using CL02 and they make it pretty clear they are not the same and that CL02 is beneficial for human contact use.

    • Garrett Âû November 1, 2015 at 19:35 #

      They don’t mention that formaldehyde is already in our bodies and, by their logic, that means we need more of it…

  6. Narad February 11, 2015 at 15:34 #

    To simply call it “bleach” is foolish and purely ignorant, or downright misleading.

    Like suggesting that MMS contains a “mineral”?

    • rix February 11, 2015 at 18:38 #

      You’ll get no argument from me on calling it “mineral” or “miracle” for that matter. It’s not an appropriate name.

      But bad naming (and it is really bad) does not invalidate the facts about what it really is and what it really does.

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) February 11, 2015 at 19:24 #

        It doesn’t cure autism. What it does is dislodge intestinal linings which are mislabeled “parasites”.

        It is an abusive faux therapy inflicted upon disabled children. Your defense of it does not help you.

  7. private May 22, 2015 at 01:06 #

    if it’s a scam, why are PhDs recommending it? why is the red Cross curing malaria with it? why does the fda approve it’s use in food production? why is it approved for use in swimming pools? why does the body naturally produce these substances?

    • novalox May 22, 2015 at 13:01 #

      @private

      Were is your evidence for your assertions, because there is nothing that I can find that would rationally support your ridiculous comments.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) May 24, 2015 at 20:09 #

      I am a Ph.D.. Am I always right?

      The Red Cross malaria notion is fake. You can read about it above.

      The FDA allows for the use of Chlorine Dioxide in food production because the ClO2 decomposes by the time the food is ingested.

      The body naturally produces Chlorine Dioxide? In what process and in what amounts (how about no process and in no amount)

    • Kathryn Heppenstall November 1, 2015 at 18:06 #

      Would the Phd in question be “Dr” Andres Kalcker. You know he paid a couple of thousand dollars for his Phd from a shopping mall college? His Phd is in Philosophy of Alternative medicine from the University of Advanced Sceinces Inc. Look them up, you can buy yourself a Phd too if you want, you only need to write a few thousand words, you don’t have to present or defend it they accept it whatever rubbish you write The Red Cross aren’t using MMS to treat malaria either, that is an outright lie. Email the Red Cross to check, because I’m sure you won’t take the word of Pepijn Van Erp at his dot com blog who has researched this particular untruth of Jim Humble and Leo Koehof.

      • Garrett Âû November 1, 2015 at 19:38 #

        As an English Major, I could get a PhD
        I would hope that people wouldn’t use my words as proof of scientific fact

  8. Al September 4, 2015 at 06:51 #

    How bad can human being be about facts and why? MMS cure so many diseases that I really wonder why doctors fight it instead of studying it. Knowing MMS and reading so many stupid assertions about it make me think the animals are far more rationals. What matters if one component of MMS is used as bleach or not? Coca-Cola is really good to unclog private bathroom! Put a chicken bone on a Coca-Cola bottle and look at it another day. The effect of one product on one thing need not to be the same on another.
    Ok. I take MMS along with a little bit of bleach. So, if you prefer, just think your stomach – or body – will be whiter tomorrow. Feel better? Go on.

    Do you know Warfarin or Coumadin? It is saving lives as anticoagulant in prevention of thrombosis and the like.
    But wait! Isn’t it a pesticide, a poison for rats and mice? For sure!

    “All things are poison and nothing is without poison; only the dose makes a thing not a poison.” “The dose makes the poison” – PARACELSUS

    If somebody with lazy brain want to know about why MMS is so “miraculous” about so many disease’s cure, I just put this statement:
    – If an hospital room is infected with bacteria, what they use?
    – Disinfectant!
    – And if it is infected by fungus, what they use?
    – Disinfectant!
    – And if infection is by virus, what they use?
    – Disinfectant!

    Well, simply thinking, MMS is a kind of disinfectant (and smells like one) AND SOMEBODY FOUND A SAFE WAY FOR US TO INGEST A DISINFECTANT and kill some bacteria, fungus and virus with are the biggest cause of diseases!

    Simple, no?

    If you want to contribute to mankind, go deep in knowing and studying the facts. To argue with things like “it is a bleach” is so infant and adds ZERO to whatever should be useful.

    Want to know a simple MMS power example? When feeling you will fall on bed for at least two days in a bad flu, just take (the correct way) 3 to 5 drops of activated MMS before sleep. You will wake up in a wonderful morning asking yourself where is the flu.

    Maybe the flu became just a bad word written in white on a white sheet. The “bleaching” effect.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) September 4, 2015 at 17:21 #

      – If an hospital room is infected with bacteria, what they use?
      – Disinfectant!
      – And if it is infected by fungus, what they use?
      – Disinfectant!
      – And if infection is by virus, what they use?
      – Disinfectant!

      Really? So, should we be forcing disabled children to drink lysol now? It’s a disinfectant.

      Do hospitals wipe down the floors with antiviral meds? No.

      Which is to say, your logic is so flawed I’d be embarrassed to read it from an 8th grader.

      • Al September 5, 2015 at 01:42 #

        With so many points to discuss and you choosed just the one I pointed to “somebody with lazy brain”!
        That is just an analogy.
        8th grader is supposed a good audience for that statement. How old are you?

        Sullivan, do you know MMS?
        Did you ever used it?
        Did you talked to someone that used it?
        Are you FDA’s agent?

        Man, what have you against something that cures people without promoting disease in their pockets?

        Hope you and your family never need MMS. But, just in case, know that so many people around the world will be glad to help you and give you as much MMS as you need.

        Big Pharma wants your money. MMS people want you health.

        Just not to let you without an answer, please DO NOT GIVE LYSOL FOR CHILDREN!
        At least until somebody finds a safe way to do that!

        Many years ago, my father in law cured a duodenal ulcer with a kind of disinfectant (cresol). Would you like to know the procedure?

        No, no, you won’t belive that!

        Sullivan, do not fight against good people. Join them!

        A good start point should be reading Jum Humble’s book. If you want, I pay a PDF version for you.

        Sincerely

        Think forward!

        Help people make a better world!

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) September 5, 2015 at 02:19 #

        Al,

        grow up yourself.

        Here’s the thing–I am fighting against fools like you who seem to think that abusing disabled children with bleach enemas and bleach drinks is a good idea.

        Throw all your anecdotes–real, imagined, lies–that you want. (1) there’s no real evidence that MMS does anything beneficial and (2) there’s no good reasoning to believe it either.

        Sorry you were fooled. But fooled you are

      • Sullivan (Matt Carey) September 5, 2015 at 02:42 #

        Anyone notice where Al discusses autism at all?

        Nope. Just another believer in the church of whatever it is that spreads this nonsense.

  9. Al September 5, 2015 at 04:30 #

    What is you goal?

    I know few about autism, and your article goes beyond that.
    But about MMS… for years I have used just MMS for me and my kids. No drugs at all. Only health!
    So I’m not speculating. I know what I’m talking about.
    And see incurable people coming back to life is indescribable. Thanks to MMS.

    The word “nonsense” hurt my ears when referring to MMS.

    What is an evidence for you?
    FDA and Big Pharma words?
    So blind…

    You are so narrow-minded and should consider search for another job.

    Don’t talk like a sapient about things you are ignorant about.
    Read before make any statement. I’m not talking about autism (this MMS article was the first one I read from you).

    The worst blind is the one who doesn’t want to see.

    You are not guilt about being ignorant about MMS. But is guilt about calling nonsense what you left brain can’t catch. You are offending decent people that think forward about common good.

    OPEN YOUR MIND!

    Watch the movie “The Constant Gardener”. Will put light in your way.

    Left brain and right brain.

    Good name.

    Use both!

  10. Alice November 1, 2015 at 10:40 #

    As an autistic person I am horrified that people would rather hurt or even kill their children than have them turn out like me.

    Fuck all of you.

    • Garrett Winters November 2, 2015 at 19:59 #

      Sometimes, the best way to talk to these people is in song

  11. BecB November 1, 2015 at 10:58 #

    Holy S@*t these replies are great!!! Not an ounce of actual scientific understanding at all. None! Not one!!! I’m writing a dissertation on infectious diseases and public health, so I don’t have all day. But…. there are just SO many holes in the arguments presented I just can’t help myself. (Did any of you pay attention in high school science, did you actually GO to high school science, or did you jig and smoke outside with the boys?)

    Bleach, or what we call ‘bleach’ is a salt-hypochlorite. Basically a positively charged metal ion attached to a hypochlorite negatively charged ion. Hypochlorite is chlorine and oxygen. We call it bleach as it removes the colour of many things. What is happening are powerful chemical reactions of oxidisation and chlorination. Basically these are chemical reactions that break the bonds of other chemical compounds, (not very descriptive, but I’m trying to dumb this down a little.) and in the examples below they are breaking certain, usually stable chemical bonds very easily and either breaks down the cells walls of bacteria, the RNA of viruses or the double-bonded complex light absorbing compounds that give things their colour.

    Now what’s really interesting is yes! The human body does produce these chemical compounds, and many others in similar form and function. And interestingly enough our body uses them for the same purposes as we do in our domestic lives- to sanitise. And additionally in the stomach we produce HCl to break down foodstuffs and destroy any pathogenic material.
    In our stomach we produce HCl, mainly to break down large chemical compounds, like proteins and to kill invading microbes. But interestingly enough, we also produce a CRAP LOAD of mucus and other chemical compounds that inactivate HCl and coat all our cells in this to protect them from the HCl. We produce this in such a way that HCl is deposited in the lumen of the stomach and the inner lining is coated in a nice thick layer of mucus to protect it.
    Our white blood cells do this really cool thing called ‘phagocytosis’ where the white blood cell literally engulfs the bacteria and once they’ve ‘swallowed’ the baddie they release these ‘reactive-oxygen-intermediates’ (ie bleach) to attack the cell walls of the bacteria, cause the cell to explode and die. But they do it in such a way that the white blood cell itself is protected against the bleach, ’cause any exposure would cause the white blood cell to lyse and die. I personally think this is really frigging cool!
    So yes, we do have HCl and bleach in our bodies, and they do play a positive role, they also, kinda….. kill us……. and all our cells.
    It is used in water purification, swimming pools and joint replacements for the same chemical reaction. To kill microbes! In water purification the compounds are volatile and dissipate into the air before it reaches us and is ingested.
    Vinegar, lemons, coca-cola etc can also ‘bleach’ things, they are also used as disinfecting agents and they do this in a similar way to hypochlrite, and perioxide. It’s the same chemical reaction! The only difference is that vinegar and lemon juice and other examples are either, very dilute and thus not very strong in their action, or the chemicals are less chemically active/strong in breaking bonds. Therefore they are ‘safe’ for us to ingest. They are still producing similar chemical reactions.
    But you need to remember that our skin is protective, it is around 30% keratin and acts to protect us against these substances and thus doesn’t get ‘burnt’ by them. Our internal ‘skin’ or mucosa is not protected in this way and thus gets burnt much more easily. Drink a lot of lemon juice and tell me how your throat and tongue feels at the end of the day!

    “AND SOMEBODY FOUND A SAFE WAY FOR US TO INGEST A DISINFECTANT”
    Ummmmm……….
    No!
    Just NO!
    I found this page following a link about bleach enemas for autistic kids. That’s FUCKING WRONG.
    You are inserting BLEACH into the vulnerable insides of a child you are supposed to be caring for. It burns their skin. It gets into their blood stream and exerts it’s effects systemically. It doesn’t cure anything.

    I might come back later and ask about the postulated mechanisms of autism and the postulated cure. But I’ve got to get back to my work.
    I highly encourage all interested in health and in particular alternative health to have a read through their high school biology and chemistry textbooks. There is a lot of helpful information inside. If that fails, Wikipedia is a really good resource.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochlorite

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide

  12. BecB November 1, 2015 at 11:09 #

    I’m reposting this comment as I think my previous version my be rejected due to the liberal use of swear words…..

    Holy S@*t these replies are great!!! Not an ounce of actual scientific understanding at all. None! Not one!!! I’m writing a dissertation on infectious diseases and public health, so I don’t have all day. But…. there are just SO many holes in the arguments presented I just can’t help myself. (Did any of you pay attention in high school science, did you actually GO to high school science, or did you jig and smoke outside with the boys?)

    Bleach, or what we call ‘bleach’ is a salt-hypochlorite. Basically a positively charged metal ion attached to a hypochlorite negatively charged ion. Hypochlorite is chlorine and oxygen. We call it bleach as it removes the colour of many things. What is happening are powerful chemical reactions of oxidisation and chlorination. Basically these are chemical reactions that break the bonds of other chemical compounds, (not very descriptive, but I’m trying to dumb this down a little.) and in the examples below they are breaking certain, usually stable chemical bonds very easily and either breaks down the cells walls of bacteria, the RNA of viruses or the double-bonded complex light absorbing compounds that give things their colour.

    Now what’s really interesting is yes! The human body does produce these chemical compounds, and many others in similar form and function. And interestingly enough our body uses them for the same purposes as we do in our domestic lives- to sanitise. And additionally in the stomach we produce HCl to break down foodstuffs and destroy any pathogenic material.
    In our stomach we produce HCl, mainly to break down large chemical compounds, like proteins and to kill invading microbes. But interestingly enough, we also produce a CRAP LOAD of mucus and other chemical compounds that inactivate HCl and coat all our cells in this to protect them from the HCl. We produce this in such a way that HCl is deposited in the lumen of the stomach and the inner lining is coated in a nice thick layer of mucus to protect it.
    Our white blood cells do this really cool thing called ‘phagocytosis’ where the white blood cell literally engulfs the bacteria and once they’ve ‘swallowed’ the baddie they release these ‘reactive-oxygen-intermediates’ (ie bleach) to attack the cell walls of the bacteria, cause the cell to explode and die. But they do it in such a way that the white blood cell itself is protected against the bleach, ’cause any exposure would cause the white blood cell to lyse and die. I personally think this is really frigging cool!
    So yes, we do have HCl and bleach in our bodies, and they do play a positive role, they also, kinda….. kill us……. and all our cells.
    It is used in water purification, swimming pools and joint replacements for the same chemical reaction. To kill microbes! In water purification the compounds are volatile and dissipate into the air before it reaches us and is ingested.
    Vinegar, lemons, coca-cola etc can also ‘bleach’ things, they are also used as disinfecting agents and they do this in a similar way to hypochlrite, and perioxide. It’s the same chemical reaction! The only difference is that vinegar and lemon juice and other examples are either, very dilute and thus not very strong in their action, or the chemicals are less chemically active/strong in breaking bonds. Therefore they are ‘safe’ for us to ingest. They are still producing similar chemical reactions.
    But you need to remember that our skin is protective, it is around 30% keratin and acts to protect us against these substances and thus doesn’t get ‘burnt’ by them. Our internal ‘skin’ or mucosa is not protected in this way and thus gets burnt much more easily. Drink a lot of lemon juice and tell me how your throat and tongue feels at the end of the day!

    “AND SOMEBODY FOUND A SAFE WAY FOR US TO INGEST A DISINFECTANT”
    Ummmmm……….
    No!
    Just NO!
    I found this page following a link about bleach enemas for autistic kids. That’s F*******G WRONG.
    You are inserting BLEACH into the vulnerable insides of a child you are supposed to be caring for. It burns their skin. It gets into their blood stream and exerts it’s effects systemically. It doesn’t cure anything.

    I might come back later and ask about the postulated mechanisms of autism and the postulated cure. But I’ve got to get back to my work.
    I highly encourage all interested in health and in particular alternative health to have a read through their high school biology and chemistry textbooks. There is a lot of helpful information inside. If that fails, Wikipedia is a really good resource.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochlorite
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide

  13. Erik November 1, 2015 at 17:30 #

    It’s “Kerri” Rivera, not “Terri”. Just thought you might wanna make the correction.

    As far as content, good lord. I can’t even imagine that there would be people stupid enough to fall for this, but they sure love proving me wrong.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) November 4, 2015 at 23:45 #

      Thanks–I made the correction above.

  14. pearl February 12, 2016 at 02:50 #

    I am here to say that I just had my first experience with MMS, luckily for not quite a week, but unfortunately that was long enough to do much damage, and this was only using the low dose they recommend at 3 drops. I couldn’t even force 8X a day. NO I did not want not lower the dose as recommended, or “push through it” either. I have had none today, but am still experiencing much nausea, and severe migraines. NO it is not a “healing crisis” It is because I believed the lies and swallowed poison! I just don’t know how long it will take to recover from the foolish choice I made. I’d not chose to try this stuff in the past because I believed it was bad stuff. in desperation, and amidst all the luring testimonies, I decided to take a chance. Now I am so very sorry I did this. I’ll go back to using safer methods and herbs to address my candida and parasite issue. The article here is the absolute truth, and if you choose to think otherwise, than I feel sorry for the sick individuals you will suggest this toxic solution to who takes your advice.

  15. Charls March 19, 2016 at 13:32 #

    First, mms is not beach. Wrong from the begining. Second, FDA has no credibility any more, they exist because they are paid by big pharma just like you would pay a prostitute to do whatever you want with her. So please stop saying FDA said this and that, they work for the pharma mobs.

    • Sullivan (Matt Carey) March 19, 2016 at 15:06 #

      What do you call a chemical that removes color from fabric? That is used in industry as a bleach?

      It is a bleach. It is not the same chemical as laundry bleach but are you so ignorant as to not know that laundry bleach is not the only chemical that can be called a bleach? If so, either educate yourself or stop spreading misinformation.

      I get that a lot of people in the misinformation campaigns to sell fake cures hate the FDA. Pull your head out of the sand and realize that outside your little world the FDA has credibility. All your statement has done is shown that you love in an echo chamber. A bubble.

      And, how about that article above? The one you are responding to. You don’t address it at all. Using hydrochloric acid in MMS? That practice clearly shows the MMS community is extremist and careless. The fact that you circle the wagons rather than distance yourself from this practice means you either agree or are spineless

  16. rixtertrader March 23, 2016 at 17:51 #

    Here is a CLINICAL Study that actually did test CD on people as well as animals. At the end, under DISCUSSION, it states and I quote:

    “During the course of the three-phase study, a
    massive volume of raw data was acquired. Routine
    urinalyses were performed and a meticulous exam-
    61
    62 LUBBERS, CHAUAN AND BIANCHINE
    ination of this body of information was made. No
    definitive finding of detrimental physiological impact
    was made in any of the three phases of this human
    investigation of the relative safety and tolerance of
    oral chlorine disinfectant ingestion. In several cases,
    statistically significant trends were associated with
    treatment; however, none of these trends were
    judged to have immediate physiological consequence.
    One cannot rule out the possibility that, over a
    longer treatment period, these trends might indeed
    achieve proportions of clinical importance. However,
    within the limits of the study, the relative safety
    of oral ingestion of chlorine dioxide and its metabolites,
    chlorite and chlorate, was demonstrated by
    the absence of detrimental physiological response.”

    You can find the study here:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569027/pdf/envhper00463-0059.pdf

    “Controlled Clinical Evaluations of Chlorine Dioxide, Chlorite and Chlorate in Man”

    So there is your “scientific method” approach.

    • Charls March 23, 2016 at 23:01 #

      Chlorate is poison in any presentation. That is the stuff used in laundry. Now I see the big big big error, you people think sodium chlorite is the same as chlortes. Ok, my mistake, keep going to your doctor and die happy thinking you did the best.

  17. shay simmons March 23, 2016 at 18:12 #

    “That video on the Red Cross using MMS to cure Malaria was quite telling. And the fact they later claimed it never happened even though the video shows it did in fact happen, shows how the powers to be do not want this out there. You want to claim that it was all made up also?”

    As a Red Cross volunteer since 2005, yes, it was all made up, as anyone familiar with the mission of the Red Cross and how it operates already knows. The Red Cross is not a medical organization and it does not conduct clinical trials.

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