Mercury Mum, Christine Heeren recently posted a video of her son receiving IV chelation on YouTube.
UPDATE: Shortly after this blog post went live, the YouTube video disappeared. Luckily I had already grabbed a copy which you can view here:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-5984127405622843714&hl=en-GB
Its a disturbing video on many levels. Heeren’s son has been undergoing chelation for seven months now and is still clearly totally autistic. During this video he is apparently writing ‘bus numbers’ down. The blog that Ms Heeren keeps (link on YouTube page) also makes it clear that her son still stims and he displays many common outward signs of autism (the scrunching up of the eyes at the start of the video reminds me of something my daughter does very much).
Heeren is subjecting her son to the Buttar protocol which should give anyone the stone cold heebie jeebies in and of itself. One patient of Buttar’s said that:
I find that Dr. Buttar talks a lot but produces little evidence.
And another said:
All the information about Dr. Buttar is still on this site but I no longer am one of his patients and I do not recommend him to any one for any reason. If you go to him for treatment BEWARE, BEWARE and read Roger Mason’s books first and go to QuackWatch.org first!
However, maybe we should take some kind of solace from the fact that Heeren’s doctor is not actually Buttar himself, only trained by Buttar. Maybe he’s a good doctor.
Heeren’s doctor is Muneer Imam
a shy, kind looking man wouldn’t you agree?
Well, he may well be.
In Jan 1993, the New York Office of Professional Conduct charged Muneer Imam:
…with gross negligence, gross incompetence, negligence on more than one occasion and failure to maintain adequate records.
The Hearing Committee sustained the charges of negligence on more than one occasion, incompetence on more than one occasion and failure to maintain adequate records. The Hearing Committee found Imam guilty of careless practice, lack of attention to detail and failure to appreciate the severity of patient illness
The incidents have included at least one death of a patient under the care of Imam.
The Hearing Committee (incredibly in my view) said he could probably be rehabilitated and laid out a plan of rehabilitation.
This all took place under Imam’s work at an ER. Imam no longer does ER work. I asked a medical friend about why that might be and xyr response was:
Since he no longer seems to do ER work, I imagine he settled a med mal claim for deceased patient A, and his insurer refused to write coverage for ER work and no hospital would cover him
Is this really someone any parent would want to trust with the kids life? A doctor found to be incompetent, negligent and who doesn’t pay attention to detail?
This inability to pay attention to details certainly seems to be playing out on Heeren’s video. Here is Imam’s nurse (a Vietnam vet called Nick) fitting the IV for a course of chelation.
When I showed this to my medical friend xyr response was horrified:
WTF is this alleged nurse doing starting an IV without gloves??? What happened to sterile technique? Have they lost their minds?
and
What is this alleged nurse doing using that frigging tiny gauge needle???
It seems that the chelation protocol Buttar uses specifies a 22 gauge butterfly needle, not the tiny one seen in the video. There are good reasons why:
…..because this is the easiest to use for employees with no medical training who call themselves “chelation technicians.” The tiny needle also serves to prevent patients from killing themselves by increasing the drip rate when they’re sick of sitting around for hours. Increasing the drip through a 22 gauge butterfly needle should (in theory) burst the vein before delivering Endrate at a lethal rate. Clever stuff.
While almost everyone can start an IV with this tiny needle, it’s dangerous to use for chelation because if patients get into trouble you want a large bore needle inserted in case you need to administer drugs and fluids for treatment or god forbid, resuscitation. Starting a second IV with an appropriate size needle in a patient in circulatory collapse from shock is difficult and sometimes impossible. The daunting prospect of starting an IV in the jugular makes sane physicians do everything to avoid being in this position.
Administering a bolus of calcium gluconate to counteract hypocalcemia through this tiny needle can result in a swollen hand (when the IV infiltrates) attached to a dead patient.
So – Nick the Nurse also has incompetence issues.
At one point in this video I thought I had gone mad. Did my ears deceive me or did I really hear Nick the Nurse describe how they also chelated with vinegar and garlic? I rewound the video. Yep, he said it alright. Vinegar and Garlic. I could say ‘wow’ or ‘holy crap’ to express my incredulity after hearing that but really, no words do it justice. They are chelating this poor lad with Garlic and vinegar.
And why? What for? 
Here is Heeren’s son’s first ever lab report (click the image to get a bigger one).
Let’s remember that these lab reports are all part of the quack culture and I suspect are frequently exaggerated to get the parent to use more of their treatments. If even these results are exaggerated then I’m dumbfounded. Everything except Aluminium and Lead are within normal ranges. And even those two are just barely in the elevated range.
It is on this basis that Heeren decided to start chelating her son using a doctor described as medically negligent and incompetent under the tender care of a ‘nurse’ who doesn’t know the protocol he is supposed to be using and who is actively putting this boy (and presumably others) in potential danger.
Oh and don’t forget the garlic and vinegar. Thanks Rashid, thanks Muneer, thanks Nick.
Left Brain Right Brain 
Mr. Leitch
The idea that autism is caused, in whole or in part, by mercury based vaccine preservatives is not supported by scientific study. It is not a view that I have ever found persuasive.
But why is it necessary for you to speak in derogatory terms and malign people who disagree with your?
“Mercury Moms” sounds like a schoolyard taunt that does not belong in a discussion of a serious subject. It also brings to mind Bettleheim’s “Refrigerator Moms” concept which caused so much harm.
Harold Doherty
Fredericton, New Brunswick
Canada
Harold: I agree with you about the “refrigerator mom” parallel (which, of course, even Kanner had some truck with.)
I suppose there might be some historical interest to see whether the psychiatrists who first described autism drew any well-paying parents to their offices after loading them down with guilt over the quality of their parenting.
But certainly, what we see now is the self-same persons who promote guilt over vaccines (“if you’d listened to us, your child wouldn’t be autistic”), who are scooping up the dough from these parents.
Redeem your guilt: send money now!
Once again you display you’re breathtaking knowledge of the subject Mr Doherty. Mercury Moms is what they call themselves.
Further, the idea that one idiots reprehensible treatment of parents in the past somehow excuses the present behaviour of people who really should know better simply doesn’t fly.
Madness. Complete madness.
Mr. Leitch
Once again you resort to insult. Try to get past your hostility. It adds nothing to discussion of a serious topic like autism. I don’t dispute their usage of the term, I question YOUR usage of it as an insult along the lines of your other comment on anyone who disagrees with your perspective. I do not agree with the vaccine-autism theories but I do not attack parents who subscribe to that belief.
You may also want to revisit your last post and your usage of expressions like “one idiot’s” given your sensitivity and objection to the use of common sense expressions such as “low functioning autistic person”.
Have a good day Mr. Leitch.
Harold L Doherty
Fredericton New Brunswick
Canada
I’m still not understanding what Mr Doherty’s objections actually are. It’s not ad hominem when people are described in relation to their actual actions or positions. No one has been called anything for the sake of calling them it.
Kevin has not at all linked any disparaging term with disagreeing with him, so it’s very dishonst for Mr Doherty to make out like this is the case.
‘Common sense’ in this case is presumptiousness with a spin on it. I don’t think anyone disagrees with ‘low-functioning’ being used to describe some Autistic people as long as it is recognised that there are plentiful non-Autistic people who are ‘low-functioning’ by the same measures yet are somehow treated differently and given rights.
I think there’s a bit of confusion here, which I admit I didn’t spot initially.
Possibly, one needs to be fairly pre-occupied with the minutia of the lawsuits to know that “mercury moms” is a description some of the plaintiff parents have appended to themselves. Sometimes they paint it on placards and stuff.
I don’t think Harold is up for being sniped at on this account, if he genuinely didn’t know this. Kev didn’t make up the expression, and I don’t think it’s like the “n—–” – word, that some people can use, but others can’t.
No question, however, that a big bunch of these moms DO blame themselves, and are hence profoundly vulnerable to potential exploitation.
Maybe if there are any lurking around, they could offer a thought on this.
This is experimentation designed to fill the need of the parent to feel like they’re in control of something.
Any moron inserting a needle without sterile gloves is incompetent and dangerous and should be investigated by the state’s department of health immediately.
This doesn’t look like a how-to video to me, it looks more like evidence exhibit A.
Does Butter still inject urine into his patients?
Hi Kevin,
How lovely it must be to be that child. To be dragged from procedure to procedure.
I think the purpose of the youtube video was to show the viewers that chelation is “no big deal” to this child….
When I viewed the video, I got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. I looked over at one of my autistic children and smiled. He will NEVER know the feeling of chelation, be it oral, through IV, cream or suppository.
The tests these doctors show the parent’s..whether it be the lab results of the metals or the pictures of their children’s guts remind me of when you take your car in for an oil change. The technician brings out the dirtiest oil filter, claiming it is yours. This is just a ploy for you to buy a new one…
The parent of the child is so devastated by the results, they will purchase any treatment to rid their child of heavy metals or gut issues.
Just my opinion…
As far as name calling goes….I won’t even touch that one.
_”Once again you resort to insult. Try to get past your hostility. It adds nothing to discussion of a serious topic like autism.”_
Trust me, I’m not being hostile.
_”I don’t dispute their usage of the term, I question YOUR usage of it as an insult along the lines of your other comment on anyone who disagrees with your perspective.”_
Where exactly did I use the term as an insult? I used it to describe someone in this post. If she or anyone else feels insulted – too bad. Get over it.
_”I do not agree with the vaccine-autism theories but I do not attack parents who subscribe to that belief.”_
Whereas I will if the situation demands it. The word ‘parent’ does not equate with the word ‘saint’ or the word ‘blameless’. As you do accurately note, autism is a serious issue and needlessly chelating a child’ with vinegar and garlic is pretty damn serious too. I’m not a ‘love the sinner hate the sin’ type Mr Doherty. I’m a ‘hold the sinner to account for their own actions’ type.
_”You may also want to revisit your last post and your usage of expressions like “one idiot’s†given your sensitivity and objection to the use of common sense expressions such as “low functioning autistic personâ€.”_
Man, these strawmen are coming thick and fast. Are you suggesting now that the word ‘idiot’ is a pejorative? And that it is comparable to ‘low functioning autistic’? A phrase, by the way, that I do not object to but see as meaningless. Maybe you could give me the name of the clinical psychologist who still uses ‘idiot’ as a medical category? Failing that, please provide evidence that the word is anything other than a bog-standard descriptive term in general use and not denoting any kind of psychological issue.
If you would like a personal definition of ‘idiot’ then it means someone who is extremely foolish.
Lastly, Mr Doherty, please refrain from providing your name and location at the end of each comment.
I know someone who ‘chelated’ her kid with garlic. It wasn’t anything to do with IV though, just lots and lots… and lots and lots… of garlic- cooked in food, raw on food, grated on food…
Probably harmless, if a tad stinky. I dunno if this is the case here.
I dont think I’ll watch the video though *shudder*
Jeanette,
The oil change place actually brings out the air filter, not the oil filter (which you are right in saying generally doesn’t need to be replaced when the oil change place claims it does – and in most cars, even a very non-mechanical person can do this themselves for 1/3 the price). The oil filter is always changed with the oil (with rare exceptions) – you aren’t asked about that one.
But, yep, your right about the test results!
I’ll add that lab tests are calibrated so that most of the population who is healthy will fall within the “normal” range. However, a small percentage (it could be as high as 5%) will be healthy yet fall outside that range – we are all different when it comes to chemicals in the body. Let’s say 5% fall outside, and you give someone 20 tests – logic would imply that at least one would be outside the normal range in nearly everyone.
I also note that the test appears to be a urine test which is not known for accuracy.
Vinegar and Garlic…
I hope this video is a fake… like the one she used to sell (still does?) about the 24 year old non verbal man…..
Then there’s a family we know who has been doing chelation of various sorts for the past few years—I do not have the exact figure—the child is certainly still autistic. The chelating continues.
_”I also note that the test appears to be a urine test which is not known for accuracy.”_
More about that soon :o)
What I got when I clicked on the video link:
“This is a private video. If you have been sent this video, please make sure you accept the sender’s friend request.”
Perhaps the attention she got was too much. I was actually just wondering what kind of comments she was getting for doing that to her kid.
I think this mercury mom made the video private. When I clicked on the link this time I couldn’t see it. I guess she’s not so proud of it now?
It’s interesting that this doctor graduated from a sort of lower grade medical school in the Caribbean. He sells injections of herbal extracts for cellulite problems. His webpage looks much like a web page for a beuty spa. Yup, I’m gonna take my kid there to get chelated. Christine Heeran’s YouTube page said her son was getting IV DMPS and EDTA, one can only hope it’s not the bad EDTA that killed Abubakar.
In the video helpful Nick sort of baby-talks to Michael telling him how glutathioine (the first bag of stuff MIchael got) helps autistic kids. The second bag looked kind of like a pale orangey yellow solution, that was DMPS, I think. The last bag had “vinegar and garlic in it”. Nick made sure that the boy knew they were all “sulfur based chelators.”
I first learned of “mercury moms” from David Kirby who explains that it was a term they use themselves. When the mercury parents started to threaten gov’t employees and threaten me, personally, and others I know of (death threats to a doctor who said things in opposition to their beliefs and death threats against his young children), then they became the mercury mafia and the mercury malitia.
I am not going to refrain from using these terms to describe the more evil of the mercury parents. I wouldn’t call Christine Heeren on of the Mercury Mafia unless I found out she was specifically one of those who makes serious threats against people who are trying to get parents to stop harming their children with quackery.
I don’t see any pleas from Harold D. for these parents to please stop treating their children with dangerous quack treatments, and to please stop supporting this fraud. Harold, to me, in not interested in what will happen (short or long term harm) to the Michaels of the mercury parent world.
The video says she takes Michael every week to get this treatment. What is happening to this boy’s veins? Some of the quacks put a pain-deadener in with the bag of chelator so the kid doesn’t scream in pain as the vein damaging chelator enters the body.
Calling Christine a “mercury mom” is playing nice. She is actively advocating this “protocol” vinegar and garlic and all, and perhaps specifically advertising for Dr. Muneer. i wondered why Munner and nurse Nick agreed to let her video tape this. I think they figured it would bring in more business. In fact it could bring in a visit from the authorities. Maybe that’s why Christine made the video private.
You’d think nurse Nick would have put on gloves for the camera, at least. He’s not wearing gloves when he puts the needle in, and he’s not wearing gloves when he takes the needle out.
I think Christine has a my space where she talks about the chelation thing.
HN,
The last time I looked, there were two short comments saying what a wonderful and brave boy Michael is.
Kev wrote:
“Lastly, Mr Doherty, please refrain from providing your name and location at the end of each comment”.
Q. Why can’t he disclose such information.
I didn’t say he _couldn’t_ I asked him to stop. His name is at the top of each comment and repetition is pointless and irritating.
re the video disappearing – its OK, I grabbed a copy. I’ll post it later.
Joel Smith,
You are correct that laboratory tests are “normed” so that 95% of the healthy population is within the “normal range”.
However, some of the labs used by the chelationistas have “hedged” their bets by changing the “normal range” a bit. Instead of using two standard deviations on either side of the mean (mean +/- 2sd) as the “normal range”, they make the “normal range” only one standard deviation on either side of the mean (mean +/- 1sd).
This “modified” method for expressing the “normal range” means that only 68% of the healthy population will have values within the “normal range” and – as a result – 32% of people who have no health problems will have “abnormal” lab values.
Some labs – no names – classify those values that fall between one and two standard deviations from the mean as having “warning”, “caution” or “borderline” values. This is completely bogus, as I have outlined above.
In short, there is a lot of flim-flammery and general deception being practiced by companies that sell clinical laboratory services directly to the public.
Prometheus
The video is now at the top of this thread.
Kev wrote:
“I didn’t say he couldn’t I asked him to stop. His name is at the top of each comment and repetition is pointless and irritating”
Comment:
Right after writing my last message my 16-year old, who is autistic and non-verbal, stormed into the house mad as hell with bloody hands and a bleeding neck, which were self inficted, because he can’t communicate his needs to his mother who took him for a joy ride. This type of behavior has been with us for 14 years. Instead of trying to stop Mr. Whoever’s writing style please tell me if my boy’s behavior is typical for a 16-year old. Or better yet, tell me what I should say to my wife in that she’s in tears and terrified of her 16 year old son who has the mental capacity of a 6 month old child and the strength of a high school linebacker.
Mr. Dochniak,
I am sincerely sorry your son becomes so frustrated with his inability to communicate that he ends up injuring himself.
Many of us have dealt with similar and difficult behaviors for many years. You are not alone.
I fail to see how Kevin’s comment, directed toward Mr. Doherty, has distracted him from helping other parents such as yourself.
In fact, if you haven’t noticed it already, Kev has set up a wonderful Parent’s forum where I’m sure you will find some helpful advice for dealing with this sort of thing.
notmercury wrote:
“I fail to see how Kevin’s comment, directed toward Mr. Doherty, has distracted him from helping other parents such as yourself”
Comment:
Stress, stress, stress, stress, stress…..just typing it helps relieve some of the stress. Kevin, please tell Mr. Dougherty that if he must it’s ok to type his name and location at the end of his messages. My autistic boy does alot of repetition that to me seems pointless and irritating but I know that’s what he needs to do.
Mr. Dochniak,
Your son’s behavior is not “typical” for a 16 year-old boy.
Were you not aware of that already?
As for advice on how you and your wife should deal with your son, I have nothing terribly helpful to contribute.
I’m pretty sure that Mr. Doherty’s comments – or his address – are also not helpful in that respect.
If there is a point that you would like to make, it might be better if you said it more directly.
Prometheus
Earlier today, my daughter had a meltdown for the exact same reason. What leads you to believe I have any answers to give you?
All I know is that strapping my daughter to a table and filling her with garlic and vinegar won’t help. What I _think_ will help is listening to people who used to be autistic children and who are now autistic adults who can help see my daughters behaviours in a way that might allow us to pre-empt these behaviours and find a workable solution.
I am left wondering exactly what about my request to Mr Doherty prompted your story however.
That video’s description:
“My 7 year old son Michael does IV Chelation (DMPS & EDTA) with Dr. Imam in Center Moriches (Dr. Buttar’s Protocol). Nick is the nurse in the video who gives him an IV. The whole process takes about 2 hours. Michael has been doing chelation since August 2006. To read more about it visit:
http://www.michaelsrecovery.blogspot.com”
The comments:
Quantumerik (1 week ago)
What a brave little boy, Christine! Thanks for sharing!
-Erik
sylkec (2 days ago)
this little boy is amazing. God bless him!
Kev wrote:
“I am left wondering exactly what about my request to Mr Doherty prompted your story however”
Comment:
It’s just something that happened at the moment. Mr. Doherty I’m sure is a proud Canadian and I’m glad that he shares such information with us. That’s it plain and simple.
Sorry,
I stand corrected about the filter. I actually know the difference….Agriculture Education degree here.
Jeanette
Hi Michael,
If you’re counting proud Canadians, count me in. That’s easy enough to discover though by clicking on my name attached to this comment. Same goes for Mr. Doherty’s.
I agree with Bartholomew Cubbins that it looks like evidence exhibit A… and it ought to be.
Kev, if you haven’t already done so, I suggest sending a copy of that video to the medical licensing authorities.
What’s up with the “garlic and vinegar” infusion? Is that slang for an actual pharmacy compound that isn’t really just some sort of dietary supplement?
This right from the good doctor’s website
“DMPS has been given only experimental FDA status in the US.”
No doubt this is video footage from IRB-approved research, right?
I feel sorry for the child. He’s such a beautiful little boy and he seems very smart too. I don’t know him but I think he has a lot of potential. I’d love to work with autistic children (I see so much of myself in them) but I’d not be able to do anything that I’d know could be painful for reasons that aren’t the right ones.
_”. The last bag had “vinegar and garlic in it—_
Woah – wait – I thought they were just feeding it to him/rubbing it into his skin. Are they actually putting vinegar and garlic into this kids VEINS???
Every time I think I can’t be more shocked, these people manage it.
_”Mr. Doherty I’m sure is a proud Canadian and I’m glad that he shares such information with us. That’s it plain and simple.”_
With all due respect, I’m not. Being proud of one’s country is one thing. Repeating the same information over and over again is quite another. I’m simply politely asking that he refrain from doing so.
Kev wrote:
“With all due respect, I’m not. Being proud of one’s country is one thing. Repeating the same information over and over again is quite another. I’m simply politely asking that he refrain from doing so”
Comment:
Okay, let me politely ask everyone to stop talking about chelation in that such information has been discussed for years – “over and over again”. Instead why can’t we talk about something new as it relates to the etiology of ASD? For example, read the research article at http://www.autismdoc.org and let’s discuss why such antigenic proteins continue to maintain the status, “Harmless of the familiar”. Furthermore, then Prometheus can complain about the prevalence of anecdotal evidence and the lack of experimental evidence even though biomedical ethics restricts any human research based on non-therapeutic intent.
Mr. Dchniak,
With all due respect, this is not your ‘blog – it is Kev’s. If he wants to tell somebody – even me – to stop doing something, that is his right.
I read your articles – the one online and the one in Medical Hypotheses. I might caution you that publishing in Medical Hypotheses is not a way to establish your bona fides as a scientist.
At any rate, it is an interesting hypothesis. Do you have any data to support it?
As for your request that I address “…the prevalence of anecdotal evidence and the lack of experimental evidence even though biomedical ethics restricts any human research based on non-therapeutic intent.” Could you be more clear about that? Which area of research are you referring to? Your sentence didn’t make much sense.
Prometheus
Prometheus wrote:
“As for your request that I address “…the prevalence of anecdotal evidence and the lack of experimental evidence even though biomedical ethics restricts any human research based on non-therapeutic intent.†Could you be more clear about that? Which area of research are you referring to? Your sentence didn’t make much sense”.
Comment:
I’ll direct you to the Declaration of Helsinki which is a code of research ethics from the World Medical Association. This will explain your question much better than I can at the moment.
Furthermore, thanks for reading the hypothesis Prometheus and any constructive criticism you may have would be greatly appreciated.
Prometheus: “I read your articles – the one online and the one in Medical Hypotheses.”
And patent, don’t forget the patent app.
Mr. Dochniak: any constructive criticism you may have would be greatly appreciated.
Are you asking for criticism, or only constructive criticism?
I was dismayed to read a release from Autism Speaks with a subhead that made it sound like there had been some research findings that favored the use of chelation for autism, only to read down and discover that the only research under discussion was nothing new: one paper showing that chelation for moderate to low lead levels didn’t improve cognition, and one finding that chelating non-lead-exposed rats had detrimental effects.
I guess what the subhead must have been referring to was a mention of Elizabeth Mumper (DAN! doctor) having made a presentation in which she claimed to have noticed that patients in her practice were improving with chelation. Of course she had no data to back this up.
There’s a great paper out there where some researchers took hair samples from one individual and sent them to several consumer labs for analysis. No names were named, but I have to presume it was places like Doctors’ Data and Great Smokies, where the mercury parents get all their tests done.
And guess what. The tests came back with all different results. Some said the subject was dangerously high in an element while others would say dangerously low. Their therapeutic recommendations were all over the map. And this is what parents are relying on in deciding to subject their kids to something like intravenous chelation?
That’s the kind of thing a you’re supposed to protect your child FROM, people. Nutjobs with needles.
Mr. Dochniak,
You know, I find it disconcerting when I ask for clarification of an unclear question and am referred to a different source rather than given an answer.
Let me be more direct.
You stated, in a previous post:
“…let’s discuss why such antigenic proteins continue to maintain the status, “Harmless of the familiarâ€. Furthermore, then Prometheus can complain about the prevalence of anecdotal evidence and the lack of experimental evidence even though biomedical ethics restricts any human research based on non-therapeutic intent.”
Let me preface my question by saying that I am intimately familiar with the Declaration of Helsinki.
What I would like to know is the following:
What is it about the “antigenic proteins” that makes it impossible to perform human research on them?
I can conceive of a number of ways that we could test the hypothesis that the Hev-family of proteins is responsible or contributory to the disorders you mention. Given the number of people with latex allergies, it should be relatively simple to see if their children – who would not be exposed to latex or its associated proteins – have a prevalence of the disorders in question higher, lower or the same as the general populations.
I should also point out that having a hypothesis for how something might happen is a long, long way from showing that is does happen. For that, you need data. Granted, I don’t think that an IRB in the country will approve injecting latex proteins into children, but there are many ways around this hurdle – ways that many other researchers have found and used successfully.
In short, I will “complain” that there is no data to support your assertions. In fact, there aren’t even any good anecdotes, if your article is an indication of the available information.
Prometheus
Michael Dochniak said:
“Or better yet, tell me what I should say to my wife in that she’s in tears and terrified of her 16 year old son who has the mental capacity of a 6 month old child and the strength of a high school linebacker.”
This is a very odd paragraph in what appears frankly to be an inconsistent post overall. Maybe I’ve just become rather sceptical of the veracity of some accounts.
Here we have the mother, terrified, and who wouldn’t be if this has been going on for 14 years, who took an infant with infant-like behaviour but the size of an adult on a car ride just for fun and presumably alone.
Just doesn’t seem to ring true.
Prometheus,
I think what Mr. Dochniak is trying to say (rather inarticulately) is that any “treatment” that is intended to be an “experiment” must conform to the Declaration of Helsinki and provide appropriate protections for vulnerable populations. Any “treatment” that is intended to be “therapeutic” does not.
This is the “catch-22” that the quacks find themselves in. If they keep records like it is an “experiment”, then they need to have an IRB and jump through all the hoops to protect children from “experimentation”. But if they just inject the children with any old crap and expect them to get better, then it is “therapy” and not “experimentation”, and they can charge the parents what ever the market will bear.
This is why the quacks don’t have any “experimental” data that their treatments work. If they collected data it would be an “experiment” and they can’t do an “experiment” until they can show that the potential benefit exceeds the potential harm (for which they need data). If they could just be allowed to do “experiments” on children without worrying about the Declaration of Helsinki, they would have the data.
This is a rough transcript of the garlic and vinegar part which is close to the end:
Today michael started his chelation therapy with glutathione which many of the autistic children are deficient in,
in addition … the second bag was DMPS. That’s based on a child’s weight, we weigh them every week. And then we follow with the garlic and vinegar which has a greater affinity for bonding with lead and aluminum…
We pretty much get that all done in 2 hours and 20 minutes.”
Almost at the halfway point you can see three small bags of liquid hanging from the IV stand. I assumed that they were the three separate bags of stuff that were part of the Buttar protocol, the first bag, glutathione, the second bag DMPS (maybe with some additions) and the third bag the garlic and vinegar in saline, one supposes.
Dr. Imam doesn’t seem to be so keen on following FDA guidelines, does he? And if Christine’s son gets hurt by all of this, she’ll blame who? Probably the people who have been trying to get the mercury moms to use their brains and stop this garbage, and she’ll probably also blame the FDA. Surely she wouldn’t be suing the precious Dr. Imam who is just trying to help.
If they are giving him garlic and vineger intravenously, that is absolutely criminal. That could easily put him into anaphylactic shock. Even the glutathione could depending on how it is prepared and from what.
Wait, I thought gloves were to protect the injectOr not the injectEE!
For people bent on ‘acceptance’, you all sure don’t allow any breathing room outside of the circle…